Braves trade for Joc Pederson

[Oklahomabrave]

Traded for Bryce Ball

[msstate7]

Now get Duvall and a closer

[Hudson2]

Wow I’m pleasantly surprised! If we could get Marte and Kimbrel we’d be in business.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Wow. Okay, they’re still going for it

[CJ9]

Come on, AA. This is obviously not a huge deal since Ball isn’t all that exciting, but this is not a good sign for our deadline plans. Surely he’s not dumb enough to actually go for it.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Meanwhile, the exodus from the north side of Chicago has begun

[Hudson2]

Come on, AA. This is obviously not a huge deal since Ball isn’t all that exciting, but this is not a good sign for our deadline plans. Surely he’s not dumb enough to actually go for it.

He knows one person isn’t gonna move the needle enough. I’d guess he has other things he knows he can do to help out also.

[msstate7]

He knows one person isn’t gonna move the needle enough. I’d guess he has other things he knows he can do to help out also.
Boy, marte and Duvall change the whole outlook. Make it happen

[WaitingFor2017]

He can always trade Joc --- once the Braves go 5-11 out of the break before the deadline.

[NinersSBChamps]

Has a mutual option for next season? Puts together a solid half for the Braves and maybe they look into a longer deal in the off-season. Could be a platoon option moving forward or he’s gone in 3 months. Either way I don’t mind this.

[UNCBlue012]

Damn, let’s go!!!

[UNCBlue012]

Passan: Now: Don't expect Atlanta to be in the mix for any big names, sources told ESPN, unless it goes on a huge run. And that's not going to be easy. Atlanta's first 18 games after the break are against teams that are .500 or better. That stretch runs past the July 30 deadline.

[CJ9]

Hopefully it’s a reverse Jaime Garcia and we trade him in the next few weeks.

[WaitingFor2017]

Has a mutual option for next season? Puts together a solid half for the Braves and maybe they look into a longer deal in the off-season. Could be a platoon option moving forward or he’s gone in 3 months. Either way I don’t mind this.

His option for next year is worth 10 million. Is a platoon bat worth 10 mil?

[Dunit24]

So what are yall thinking the lineup will be now?

Swanson - SS
Freeman - 1B
Albies- 2B
Riley - 3B
Pederson - LF
Almonte - RF
Lucroy- C
Inciarte-CF

Heck, not too bad if TDA comes back as planned and maybe Ozuna.

Either way, this sets us up to go for it these last few weeks and see what happens.

I also agree that adding Marte and a closer and we have a good shot despite losing RAJ.

[Coredor]

This would have been the perfect move before Acuna went down.

[Horsehide Harry]

Braves just spent $2+M and a fringe prospect for a below replacement level player who can't play everyday.

Yep. Everything's fixed.

[Deester11]

I want Arcia to play most days. Until he turns into a pumpkin, I'd rather see him than Almonte and Heredia. Hell..spell Swanson...play 3rd..be what Camargo ain't....lol

[drewdat]

We sure Joc Pederson doesn't suck?

[WaitingFor2017]

I just don’t see how AA is being realistic here. This team couldn’t even get above .500 with Acuna and Anderson. Be realistic instead of trying to please the casuals. At the very least, he can still sell expiring parts in 2 weeks.

[NinersSBChamps]

His option for next year is worth 10 million. Is a platoon bat worth 10 mil?

Probably not unless the other part of the platoon is very cheap.

[The Chosen One]

I just don’t see how AA is being realistic here. This team couldn’t even get above .500 with Acuna and Anderson. Be realistic instead of trying to please the casuals. At the very least, he can still sell expiring parts in 2 weeks.

Probably feels pressure to keep tickets selling and butts in the seats to make up for loss revenue a year ago.

[clvclv]

Wow. Okay, they’re still going for it

Not sure that means "they're still going for it".

Ball was fun to pull for, but he's been exposed a bit now that he's not seeing rookie level pitching.

Pederson has been sexy for a long time, but if he's your "replacement" for Acuna and you expect to contend, that's far from impressive. AA took on money and gave up a guy that may not be good enough to play regularly at Gwinnett before he's done. Everybody order two extra beers when you're at the park to pay for Pederson the rest of the way, and don't forget uber.com.

[CJ9]

Probably feels pressure to keep tickets selling and butts in the seats to make up for loss revenue a year ago.

That was my first thought as well. Something about this just makes me less optimistic that we’ll sell like we should. Strange times.

[Deester11]

Methinks the middling performance we've been seeing will continue. The needle didn't even try to budge.

[msstate7]

The desire of this board to quit is strange. Maybe AA adds marte and Duvall next.

[Deester11]

The desire of this board to quit is strange. Maybe AA adds marte and Duvall next.
It's not about quitting at all. But realistically this team was azz before Acuña got hurt. AA hasn't inspired the masses at all.

[WaitingFor2017]

The desire of this board to quit is strange. Maybe AA adds marte and Duvall next.

I just want them to do what’s best for the future without jeopardizing it. Even with Marte and Duvall, is that enough to get by the Dodgers and Padres lineup and pitching? Shoot, is it enough to get past Milwaukee’s top 3? They could easily be the East’s 1st round opponent. The Braves missed Burnes and Woodruff up there.

[clvclv]

That was my first thought as well. Something about this just makes me less optimistic that we’ll sell like we should. Strange times.

Actually not sure it's a big surprise, and a big part of me expects to see another trade or two that doesn't make much of a dent anywhere while AA's at it. While Ball isn't much more than a marginal guy, he was at least the type of guy someone might dream a little on. I just don't see how Joc is much of an upgrade - AA didn't give up much to rent him, but he also gave up someone who will probably advance to AAA at his peak for someone who's simply not capable of playing everyday.

If Acuna was still playing I'd love this trade, but this just screams "let's try to keep people coming out to the park" to me, and it just seems like a waste of resources.

[CJ9]

One thought I just had — they really don’t seem interested in giving Waters a chance. I get it, I think we all have pretty serious concerns about him. But he has to go on the 40 man this off-season to be protected from the rule 5 draft, so I don’t see a huge issue with just giving him a shot at some point.

[Enscheff]

This would have been a great pickup before Acuna got hurt. Now it seems like too little too late, but this is the exact type of move AA should have made if he’s trying to win.

At least things are more interesting now. Let’s just hope Snit never runs him out there vs LHP.

[TheBravos]

Doesn’t move the needle that much considering. Not horrible. Will help a tad bit.

[Slippyjms]

So what are yall thinking the lineup will be now?

Swanson - SS
Freeman - 1B
Albies- 2B
Riley - 3B
Pederson - LF
Almonte - RF
Lucroy- C
Inciarte-CF

Heck, not too bad if TDA comes back as planned and maybe Ozuna.

Either way, this sets us up to go for it these last few weeks and see what happens.

I also agree that adding Marte and a closer and we have a good shot despite losing RAJ.

I’d like to see

Swanson SS
Freeman 1B
Albies 2B
Riley LF
Pederson/Heredia RF
Arcia 3B
Lucroy C
Waters CF

Bench

Almonte
Inciarte
Adrianza
Smith
Pederson/Heredia

[msstate7]

Aren't Moore and Rogers the only lh starters in the nl east not on the braves?

[clvclv]

This would have been a great pickup before Acuna got hurt. Now it seems like too little too late, but this is the exact type of move AA should have made if he’s trying to win.

At least things are more interesting now. Let’s just hope Snit never runs him out there vs LHP.

What's scary IMO is that he'll actually give up something of value to find a partner for him.

I can live with Ball for Pederson, but if he follows that up by giving up Grissom or a decent arm for 10 weeks of Duvall without knowing Anderson's "fine" and good-to-go, I'm going to be pretty *amn disappointed.

[bravesnumberone]

Maybe trade for Marte and then shuffle Arcia, Heredia around to keep Pederson away from lefties? If the goal is to just win the division and have a “see what happens” mentality for the playoffs, there aren’t going to be any trades for the needed pieces that most people on here won’t view as an overpay.

[PawPawMaxwell]

Think it is possible Panda gets released tomorrow?

[CyYoung31]

So what are yall thinking the lineup will be now?

Swanson - SS
Freeman - 1B
Albies- 2B
Riley - 3B
Pederson - LF
Almonte - RF
Lucroy- C
Inciarte-CF

Heck, not too bad if TDA comes back as planned and maybe Ozuna.

Either way, this sets us up to go for it these last few weeks and see what happens.

I also agree that adding Marte and a closer and we have a good shot despite losing RAJ.

That lineup is terrible.

[WaitingFor2017]

Wow. Many on reddit think Bryce Ball being traded away means a Freddie extension is on the way and that we are "buyers".

Yep, this trade was to appease the casuals.

[50PoundHead]

Pederson has been batting lead off for the Cubs against RHP, so that might be his role here. I've always liked Pederson, but he was pretty bad last year and not very good this year. At least we can say we have a Jewish player.

A bit of a surprising move that doesn't move the needle. I hope Anthopoulos doesn't go full-bore stupid.

I was surprised how hard Ball fell after hitting A+. Pretty much stunk it up all year.

My guess on Waters is that they will wait until September.

[PawPawMaxwell]

The $2.5M buyout is or should be a concern.

[Slippyjms]

The leadoff hitter is the key here. If we could roll out something like this the lineup would be in great shape.

Fraizer LF
Albies 2B
Freeman 1B
Riley 3B
TDA C
Pederson/Duvall RF
Swanson SS
Heredia CF

Bench

Pederson/Duvall OF/1B
Arcia UTIL
Almonte OF
Lucroy C
Adrianza UTIL

[Jaw]

Too early to give up on Ball and the team should be selling. I dislike everything about it. Except Peterson, I've always liked guys who excel hitting RHP.

[Carp]

Getting Joc should have been done 5-6 months ago when all he cost was money. Granted, Ball wasn't a great prospect, but he was more than trade fodder. Seems like a completely unnecessary move now.

[Dalyn]

I am fine with this trade, but I hope Snit doesn't listen to the people wanting Swanson leading off. No, thank you.

[weso1]

We traded Bryce Ball for half a year of what we hoped Bryce Ball could be a few years from now.

[thewupk]

I have to assume Joe's 241 babip against rhp will improve

[msstate7]

I have to assume Joe's 241 babip against rhp will improve

Probably not bc everything gonna be leaving the yard

[thewupk]

Probably not bc everything gonna be leaving the yard

Fair assessment

[50PoundHead]

Getting Joc should have been done 5-6 months ago when all he cost was money. Granted, Ball wasn't a great prospect, but he was more than trade fodder. Seems like a completely unnecessary move now.

Pederson was a guy I thought made sense when all the foot-dragging was being done waiting on the DH decision and the subsequent signing of Ozuna. It's obvious the waiting on Ozuna knocked all the alternatives to him off the table. That, and the assumption that Pache would be a lot better, looked to be the framework that drove all decisions. It's just been a star-crossed year. None of the guys expected to comprise the everyday OF are currently with the team.

[SJ24]

Our season is over and has been over since #13 went down.

If Anthopoulos doesn't trade Pederson again before the deadline, he's made a mistake.

Hopefully those higher up the chain just need to see a few more series losses before we go straight sell mode.

[Southcack77]

I just don’t see how AA is being realistic here. This team couldn’t even get above .500 with Acuna and Anderson. Be realistic instead of trying to please the casuals. At the very least, he can still sell expiring parts in 2 weeks.

I think trading ball while he has any value at all is pretty realistic.

[WaitingFor2017]

I think trading ball while he has any value at all is pretty realistic.

What I meant was AA should be more realistic and sell instead of trying to sell a few more seats. He has the casuals thinking we are "buyers". Ball was an expendable piece that doesn't bother me.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

https://media.tenor.com/images/7ebe98a5c491a33bec725bc9fae54e1a/tenor.gif

[VirginiaBrave]

Our season is over and has been over since #13 went down.

If Anthopoulos doesn't trade Pederson again before the deadline, he's made a mistake.

Hopefully those higher up the chain just need to see a few more series losses before we go straight sell mode.

It was over before that even with him or had you not seen him hit after the 6th this year?

[VirginiaBrave]

I am pretty much indifferent to this. Just waiting on the Freeman extension to finish the year on a high note.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

We need a real closer to keep after this year.

[Tapate50]

Getting Joc should have been done 5-6 months ago when all he cost was money. Granted, Ball wasn't a great prospect, but he was more than trade fodder. Seems like a completely unnecessary move now.

This.

[Russ2dollas]

i'm going to say this and hope I reverse jinx the team into being awesome.

I don't like the deal. I think we are not good and have no path to win playoff games. Snake bit. Cursed this is not our year.

Losing Ball is not a huge deal. It's just that if you move him in this deal, you can't use him in another deal that actually makes you better in a year you can win.

Joc isn't playing that well. He's not under team control. He's not good on defense. I agree that if you liked him, you should have had him in free agency and just put Acuna in CF.

[msstate7]

Getting only joc doesn't really make much sense, so I expect another move soon

[drewdat]

Forum › Atlanter Brabes › 2021: Itchin' for Joc

[msstate7]

Forum › Atlanter Brabes › 2021: Itchin' for Joc

Get this done before the game tonight. Come on leaders, save the season

[Tapate50]

Get this done before the game tonight. Come on leaders, save the season

I have my doubts they even care about baseball.

[bravesfanforlife88]

I have my doubts they even care about baseball.

How sure are we Bill Shanks is not secretly taking over the forum?

[Tapate50]

How sure are we Bill Shanks is not secretly taking over the forum?

We aren't.

[TheBravos]

It’s pretty low risk either way. If the Braves are horrible the next few weeks, he could always be moved for a comparable prospect that we gave up. I doubt that happens either way. I think this is more about Ozuna insurance for next year (that just happens to help us this year).

[Enscheff]

Getting only joc doesn't really make much sense, so I expect another move soon

After reading a lot of KG's stuff at FG, he's explained these deals can take weeks to complete. It is possible this deal was all but done before Acuna got injured, and at that point it wasn't practical to stop the deal from completing as agreed upon.

[Julio3000]

Joc Jams? Joc, Loc, and Barrel? Get off my Joc? Joc Exchange?

[Julio3000]

Joc n’ Roll? Can you smell what the Joc is cookin?

[MadduxFanII]

Joc n’ Roll? Can you smell what the Joc is cookin?

Joc Pederson is not nearly a good enough player to justify this kind of work.

[msstate7]

Joc Pederson is not nearly a good enough player to justify this kind of work.

Which makes it even better. We need this done pregame

[msstate7]

After reading a lot of KG's stuff at FG, he's explained these deals can take weeks to complete. It is possible this deal was all but done before Acuna got injured, and at that point it wasn't practical to stop the deal from completing as agreed upon.

Prob so, but I'm holding out hope marte and Duvall are on the way

[Julio3000]

Joc Pederson is not nearly a good enough player to justify this kind of work.

Jocthust?

[CyYoung31]

JOC THRUST!!!

[Julio3000]

Joc Pederson is not nearly a good enough player to justify this kind of work.

You’re talking to a guy who spent actual moments of his precious time on earth ‘shopping Admiral Ackbar’s head onto Erick Aybar’s body.

[Horsehide Harry]

Man I wish Ichiro was still playing. Then it could be Joc-Ich

[Tapate50]

You’re talking to a guy who spent actual moments of his precious time on earth ‘shopping Admiral Ackbar’s head onto Erick Aybar’s body.

Your dedication should never be in question

[Carp]

Joc n’ Roll? Can you smell what the Joc is cookin?

For different events:

Stealing a base:

Joc You Stole (Jacque Cousteau)

Jocslide


Hitting a homer:

Jocket Launcher

Jocbuster


Great defensive play:

Joc-eye

Joc Steady

[rico43]

Pederson needed to take a substantial cut from his Dodger deal to sign with the Cubs. As a result the Braves are only paying off the balance of a $4.5 million salary for this season, while the mutual option would pay Pederson $10 million.

[50PoundHead]

It's time for some Jocularity!

[WaitingFor2017]

Snit said he plans on using Joc EVERYDAY and as the lead off hitter.

Snit already using him incorrectly in two ways…

[msstate7]

Snit said he plans on using Joc EVERYDAY and as the lead off hitter.

Snit already using him incorrectly in two ways…

Lol, hope we see a buncha RHP.

If snit truly is gonna do this, albies needs to between joc and FF. Can't make it that easy to go lhp late

[50PoundHead]

Snit said he plans on using Joc EVERYDAY and as the lead off hitter.

Snit already using him incorrectly in two ways…

Pederson has been leading off against RHP for the Cubs and according to a lot of posters here, David Ross is about a thousand times smarter than Snitker.

[msstate7]

Pederson has been leading off against RHP for the Cubs and according to a lot of posters here, David Ross is about a thousand times smarter than Snitker.

Vs rhp, I have no problem with it. It's the lhp that I question

[Carp]

Well he IS hitting .375 in his last 12 PAs. I'm thinking he's our new MVP from here on out.

[50PoundHead]

Vs rhp, I have no problem with it. It's the lhp that I question

I agree with that. I was reacting to the comment that Snitker was making two mistakes with Pederson when he's probably only making one given Pederson's usage pattern this season. He's not a traditional lead-off hitter, but that tradition appears to belong to an earlier era.

[Julio3000]

Snit said he plans on using Joc EVERYDAY and as the lead off hitter.

Snit already using him incorrectly in two ways…

So what you’re saying is it’s going to be Joc Around the Clock.

[Julio3000]

It's time for some Jocularity!

Fatality

[clvclv]

Pederson has been leading off against RHP for the Cubs and according to a lot of posters here, David Ross is about a thousand times smarter than Snitker.

To be fair, they've lost 11 straight while he's been doing that. That's why he's a Brave.

[Southcack77]

The Braves have absolute garbage in the outfield and they traded a 23 year old DH prospect who is hitting .200 in A ball to see what happens.

Low stakes.

[50PoundHead]

Fatality

https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1494368308039-ed3393a402a4?ixid=MnwxMjA3fDB8MHxzZWFyY2h8MXx8bWFu JTIwY3J5aW5nfGVufDB8fDB8fA%3D%3D&ixlib=rb-1.2.1&w=1000&q=80

[50PoundHead]

Frere Joc.

[CyYoung31]

Does anyone realize that we traded a Ball for a Joc?

[thewupk]

Does anyone realize that we traded a Ball for a Joc?

gottem

[bravesnumberone]

Does anyone realize that we traded a Ball for a Joc?

If only Joc's last name was PETERson.

[Julio3000]

Does anyone realize that we traded a Ball for a Joc?

Trying to figure out how we lost a Ball and gained a full Joc.

[NinersSBChamps]

Trying to figure out how we lost a Ball and gained a full Joc.

Marcus Stroman has the full jock part taken care of.

[50PoundHead]

Jump in my Wayback Machine Sherman and we'll set the dial for 1978 and peruse the world of cutting edge music and low-tech video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JdS-sSKsBc

[Julio3000]

Joc-a-mo fe-na-nay

[CyYoung31]

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[thewupk]

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I'm curious how it all went down. Duvall was non-tendered on the Dec 2nd. Pederson signed with the Cubs on Jan 29th. Braves re-singed Ozuna on Feb 5th.

Not sure if at anytime they were trying to pair Duvall with Joc. With Ozuna saying at the time the Braves first reached out to him was the day he signed it leads me to believe he was the fall back option for Joc regardless of the DH situation being up in the air. They clearly had the money to do Duvall/Pederson if they wanted without signing Ozuna.

[msstate7]

I'm curious how it all went down. Duvall was non-tendered on the Dec 2nd. Pederson signed with the Cubs on Jan 29th. Braves re-singed Ozuna on Feb 5th.

Not sure if at anytime they were trying to pair Duvall with Joc. With Ozuna saying at the time the Braves first reached out to him was the day he signed it leads me to believe he was the fall back option for Joc regardless of the DH situation being up in the air. They clearly had the money to do Duvall/Pederson if they wanted without signing Ozuna.

At the time, I prefer ozuna. Now, I wish we had gotten the platoon

[50PoundHead]

I'm curious how it all went down. Duvall was non-tendered on the Dec 2nd. Pederson signed with the Cubs on Jan 29th. Braves re-singed Ozuna on Feb 5th.

Not sure if at anytime they were trying to pair Duvall with Joc. With Ozuna saying at the time the Braves first reached out to him was the day he signed it leads me to believe he was the fall back option for Joc regardless of the DH situation being up in the air. They clearly had the money to do Duvall/Pederson if they wanted without signing Ozuna.

When was the DH decision made? That played a part in this as well.

I'm not surprised they were in on Pederson. He seemed to be an almost perfect fit. I'm just not a Duvall guy. He would have been fine in a platoon with Pederson, but would we have been willing to pay him $5 million to $7 million to be a guy who was going to get 300 ABs?

[clvclv]

When was the DH decision made? That played a part in this as well.

I'm not surprised they were in on Pederson. He seemed to be an almost perfect fit. I'm just not a Duvall guy. He would have been fine in a platoon with Pederson, but would we have been willing to pay him $5 million to $7 million to be a guy who was going to get 300 ABs?

This was always foggy, and nothing was ever official IIRC. This LA Times article mentioned the official decision that there wouldn't be a DH on February 8th.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-02-08/mlb-universal-designated-hitter-2021-health-protocols

[nsacpi]

thought i'd give this the old bump-a-roo

some interesting takes

[msstate7]

thought i'd give this the old bump-a-roo

some interesting takes

I loved us going for it from the beginning, and this move was the beginning

[CJ9]

Come on, AA. This is obviously not a huge deal since Ball isn’t all that exciting, but this is not a good sign for our deadline plans. Surely he’s not dumb enough to actually go for it.

Oh no. I was hacked!

[bravesfanforlife88]

Those who opposed the move should receive a ban just like those who blamed the forum name for our failures

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Those who opposed the move should receive a ban just like those who blamed the forum name for our failures The name should be Pearl Jam!!