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jpx7
01-15-2014, 02:46 PM
Interesting piece from the Washington Post diagnosing critical failings of the US health-care system, and making a case for the way it really needs to be nationalized (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/13/what-liberals-get-wrong-about-single-payer/?wprss=rss_ezra-klein&clsrd):


Yet the problem with the Affordable Care Act isn’t the insurance industry. In fact, the main benefits of nationalized health care can be achieved in systems with hundreds, even thousands, of for-profit insurers.

"By 2017," Moore writes, "we will be funneling over $100 billion annually to private insurance companies." The insurers will use the bulk of that money, however, to pay hospitals and pharmaceutical companies and device manufacturers for medical care.

A clearer way to think about this is profits -- and insurers aren’t where the big profits in the health-care system go. In 2009, Forbes ranked health insurance as the 35th most profitable industry, with an anemic 2.2 percent return on revenue. To understand why the U.S. health-care system is so expensive, you need to travel higher up the Forbes list. The pharmaceutical industry was in third place, with a 19.9 percent return, and the medical products and equipment industry was right behind it, with a 16.3 percent return. Meanwhile, doctors are more likely than members of any other profession to have incomes in the top 1 percent.

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“The problem is that in the U.S. payers are fragmented while in other countries they are unified even if there are many insurers,” said Gerard Anderson, director of the Center for Hospital Finance and Management at Johns Hopkins University.

In the United States, insurers negotiate with hospitals and drug companies on their own -- and they pay more as a result. In fact, because of their weak negotiating position they frequently use whatever price Medicare is paying as a baseline and then, because they lack the power to strike a similar deal, add a percentage on top. Joshua Gottlieb, an economist at the University of British Columbia, found that when Medicare increases what it pays for a service by $1, private insurers increase their payments by $1.30.

That leaves the United States with the worst of both approaches: Prices aren’t set by the market, but they also aren’t set by the government. Consequently, Medicare’s negotiating power is weakened by the threat that drug companies or hospitals will opt to do business only with higher-paying private insurers. We simultaneously miss out on the efficiency of a purely private system and on the savings of a purely public one.

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A health-care system that followed international best practices would direct the government to set rates. Or it would let insurers band together and negotiate rates collectively -- a practice called “all-payer rate setting.” But it wouldn’t need to eliminate private insurers. It’s good for consumers to have a choice of insurers, who have real incentives to innovate and devise better ways to keep customers healthy and costs down.

weso1
01-15-2014, 06:05 PM
Is the last bolded sentence not considered price fixing?

jpx7
01-15-2014, 06:15 PM
Is the last bolded sentence not considered price fixing?

I think price-fixing is sort of the point.

weso1
01-15-2014, 06:33 PM
I thought that was illegal.

jpx7
01-15-2014, 06:40 PM
I thought that was illegal.

In this country, perhaps—but our health-care system is also entirely broken.

If the government becomes the legal and legislated fixer-of-price, then I don't think it I would consider that "illegal." As for insurers advocating and negotiating together—I don't know enough about trade laws to evaluate its current legality; were it illegal, I think the point is: in this case, it shouldn't be.

Oklahomahawk
01-15-2014, 09:41 PM
Is the last bolded sentence not considered price fixing?

What's your point? It's ALWAYS worked for the oil companies!!! Remember when the CEO of Exxon-Mobil flew in his private jet to Washington to threaten Congress for what would happen IF they cut their corporate welfare even though they made/make record profits every single quarter??? Would that threat have meant anything if they weren't already in cahoots???

jpx7
01-29-2014, 05:50 PM
Nothing to say about this concept, sturg33, one way or the other?