New Hampshire takes first steps to legalization.

[zitothebrave]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new-hampshire/2014/01/15/house-voting-decriminalizing-marijuana/MxjLXfOv74HX1kCY4f3I5J/story.html

Supposedly the governor will veto it. Hopefully she's as serious as Obama was about vetoing NDAA. How pot isn't legal is insane.

[goldfly]

so the governor of the "Live free or die state" will veto this?

way to live up to your motto

Merica, where words are just catch phrases now and don't actually mean anything

[sturg33]

It's funny that liberals support people's individual liberty to smoke pot (as do I)… but mock me when I want that applied to everything

[zitothebrave]

It's funny that liberals support people's individual liberty to smoke pot (as do I)… but mock me when I want that applied to everything

Umm wut?

[Krgrecw]

Not to go off topic but why are the pro-legalization proponents not pro legalizing all drugs?

Why just weed? Shouldn't I have a choice as an adult to do what I want with my body?

[sturg33]

Not to go off topic but why are the pro-legalization proponents not pro legalizing all drugs?

Why just weed? Shouldn't I have a choice as an adult to do what I want with my body?

I do support the legalization of all drugs.

[Julio3000]

It's funny that liberals support people's individual liberty to smoke pot (as do I)… but mock me when I want that applied to everything

We just draw funny distinctions, like thinking that perhaps it's ok to have the choice to inhale marijuana smoke, but less cool to NOT have a choice about inhaling industrial pollutants.

[thethe]

Not to go off topic but why are the pro-legalization proponents not pro legalizing all drugs?

Why just weed? Shouldn't I have a choice as an adult to do what I want with my body?

Marijuana is much less harmful than most illegal and legal drugs.

[Krgrecw]

Marijuana is much less harmful than most illegal and legal drugs.


Yeah but the others have more medicinal value. Hell, I tried to get Meth from my doctor last week for weight loss.


I'm not pro-legalizing pot btw.

[thethe]

It still doesn't compare to the many different positives that have been discovered with marijuana.

Not sure how I feel about it btw. I go back and forth.

[sturg33]

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone supports the idea of letting some bureaucrats tell you what you can and can't do. I'm all for laws - but the laws I support are for protecting individual liberty. In other words, if you want to snort cocaine, have at it. I draw the line when your liberty interferes with another's liberty.

All drugs were legal in this country until close to the mid 1900's. We did ok with that.

For the record, I also support other things being legal such as prostitution, *** marriage, polygamy, not wearing your seat belt, etc. In other words, I don't support any law that tries to protect people from themselves.

[Krgrecw]

It still doesn't compare to the many different positives that have been discovered with marijuana.

Not sure how I feel about it btw. I go back and forth.



The positives from weed, can't you find those positives in other places? Weed works no better for a headache than Bayer does. I don't believe there are any medicinal benefits from weed that you can't get anywhere else. Cocaine has medical uses. Heroin has medical uses. Meth is the best weight loss drug on the market there is. But what does weed offer than you can't get at a local drugstore or with a script?

[sturg33]

The positives from weed, can't you find those positives in other places? Weed works no better for a headache than Bayer does. I don't believe there are any medicinal benefits from weed that you can't get anywhere else. Cocaine has medical uses. Heroin has medical uses. Meth is the best weight loss drug on the market there is. But what does weed offer than you can't get at a local drugstore or with a script?

Weed isn't bad for you though. Pain killers are. Why are you against it?

[thethe]

The positives from weed, can't you find those positives in other places? Weed works no better for a headache than Bayer does. I don't believe there are any medicinal benefits from weed that you can't get anywhere else. Cocaine has medical uses. Heroin has medical uses. Meth is the best weight loss drug on the market there is. But what does weed offer than you can't get at a local drugstore or with a script?

Are you really going to compare the negatives from heroin to marijuana?

[zitothebrave]

The positives from weed, can't you find those positives in other places? Weed works no better for a headache than Bayer does. I don't believe there are any medicinal benefits from weed that you can't get anywhere else. Cocaine has medical uses. Heroin has medical uses. Meth is the best weight loss drug on the market there is. But what does weed offer than you can't get at a local drugstore or with a script?

Cocaine, Meth, and Heroin are all highly addictive. Marijuana has plenty of potential for many illnesses.

Pot has little risks and high rewards. Big Pharma drugs often carry dangerous side effects.

[sturg33]

I do love the hypocrisy from both sides though...

Republicans are for small government! Unless it's for drugs, marriage, abortion, and defense!

Democrats are for big government! Unless it's for drugs, marriage, abortion, and defense!

[The Chosen One]

I do love the hypocrisy from both sides though...

Republicans are for small government! Unless it's for drugs, marriage, abortion, and defense!

Democrats are for big government! Unless it's for drugs, marriage, abortion, and defense!

Actually wouldn't big government for marriage mean them making same-sex marriage a federal law would be the "one size hat fits all" instead of delegating that responsibility to the states?

How about abortion? And on defense I think Democrats want a strong military like every sane person, they just acknowledge the huge wastes in military spending atm.

[zitothebrave]

It's not that simple. Republican's claim to be pro-small government but really just like government to only control what they want them to control. Dems want government benefits but to keep human rights to an extreme.

[goldfly]

The positives from weed, can't you find those positives in other places? Weed works no better for a headache than Bayer does. I don't believe there are any medicinal benefits from weed that you can't get anywhere else. Cocaine has medical uses. Heroin has medical uses. Meth is the best weight loss drug on the market there is. But what does weed offer than you can't get at a local drugstore or with a script?

do you actually believe this crap you are spewing?

i mean, you are arguing mad made crap that has other bad side effects is better than the natural wild growing drug that has very little side effects

[yeezus]

I still cannot understand why people think it should be illegal. There is too much proof that says it would be a good thing and that the fact that it's illegal is a bad thing for the people of our country. I do not find that debatable.

[Krgrecw]

Yeezus would you agree that if pot were legal; DUI's would immediately rise and hard drug use would also go up a few years down the road?

[jpx7]

Yeezus would you agree that if pot were legal; DUI's would immediately rise and hard drug use would also go up a few years down the road?

Why would he agree? Neither of those "ramifications" is a certainty, much less especially likely.

[sturg33]

Yeezus would you agree that if pot were legal; DUI's would immediately rise and hard drug use would also go up a few years down the road?

I'm not yeezus (thank God), but I would almost certainly not agree.

But if DUI's are you're issue, why aren't you in favor of banning alcohol? (or are you)

[zitothebrave]

Yeezus would you agree that if pot were legal; DUI's would immediately rise and hard drug use would also go up a few years down the road?

No, I think if it was legal vs illegal the same people who use it heavily would still use it heavily, the same people who use it recreationally would still use it recreationally.

[goldfly]

Yeezus would you agree that if pot were legal; DUI's would immediately rise and hard drug use would also go up a few years down the road?


HAHAHAHA

[thethe]

Its just odd how someone can make a statement that outrageous without any backing whatsoever. KG, you are the ultimate stats guy for baseball and yet you are a polar opposite in this discussion.

[Krgrecw]

Thethe, to me it's just logical to see that if you put pot in so many more hands that DUI's will go up. Pot does effect ones reflexes. I don't see how some one can so it won't. Common math says it will.
If x amount of people on weed causes y dui's today, then x+(increase of people on pot) will an increase y. Aren't you an accountant? How's that not true?

I ****ing hate people behind the wheel that are impaired.

Second, pot is a beginner drug. People don't start out on cocaine or smack. They start out with weed, cough syrup, pills etc. people build up tolerances and Thier high will have to increase. Pot may not be so addictive but the neurological result of being high is. Then as people age Thier drugs if choice increases as the euphoric feelings of being high get greater.

Pot is and is not a gateway drug. I would assume 95% of all drug addicts probably started with weed. Not everyone can maintain a casual lifestyle and not get addicted.



No one is going to argue that the more guns on the streets the more shootings will happen. Accidental and Purposeful. Why wouldn't pot be the same?

A) more people that are scared to do it will dabble. Some of them will enjoy it and smoke more
B) people that smoke now will smoke more
C) more smokers equal more impaired drivers. More impaired drivers equal more dui's and more innocent victims.
D) more people that get high leads to more addicts.
E) addiction leads to more crime


The the: What part of A-E is not correct?

[goldfly]

Second, pot is a beginner drug. People don't start out on cocaine or smack. They start out with weed, cough syrup, pills etc. people build up tolerances and Thier high will have to increase. .

Pot is and is not a gateway drug. I would assume 95% of all drug addicts probably started with weed. Not everyone can maintain a casual lifestyle and not get addicted.



No one is going to argue that the more guns on the streets the more shootings will happen. Accidental and Purposeful. Why wouldn't pot be the same?

A) more people that are scared to do it will dabble. Some of them will enjoy it and smoke more
B) people that smoke now will smoke more
C) more smokers equal more impaired drivers. More impaired drivers equal more dui's and more innocent victims.
D) more people that get high leads to more addicts.
E) addiction leads to more crime


The the: What part of A-E is not correct?

i love this guy

which part isn't correct?

almost all of it

[thethe]

Pot is so easy to get that I don't believe more people will do it if it were legalized. I've never believed in pot being a gateway drug. Its in a persons character whether or not they want to explore harder drugs. I smoked every day for 6 years of my life. The only other drugs that I've ever done were mushrooms (so much fun) and a smoked opium twice. I never became an addict to any other drugs. Regardless if its legal or not the individual decidees how many additional drugs they are going to do.

[The Chosen One]

I've used pot sparingly, mainly recreationally.

It actually works better to help my hyperthyroidism symptoms than my Tapazole/Atenonole.

Obviously I don't do it when I know there's an upcoming drug test at work.

It is easier to get than I thought, mainyl because 1 out of 5 friends use it so I can just share with them.

Legalizing it may expose pot to those who were afraid of doing it because of the law, so in that regard I'm sure that would get more people on the road driving high.

For those who already do it illegally, it won't change their habits.

[yeezus]

People's arguments against marijuana are so weak and not based in fact.
It's been PROVEN that it is NOT a gateway drug.
It really is infuriating all the bull**** that gets spewed about it.

Everything you said is so ridiculous, it blows my mind that you think it's true.
Alcohol is far more a gateway than weed, and I don't believe either one is a "gateway." People are people. They are going to seek things out whether they start at X or Y. What's hard drug addiction like in places where weed is legalized?

I wouldn't really smoke more. I smoke whenever I want as it is. That doesn't mean I smoke before work, or when I have other responsibilities.
Please provide backing for anything you just said. How in the hell is weed "addiction" going to lead to more crime? How does that rationally make sense to you? If anything, you'd eliminate violent drug cartels by legalizing drugs, and a lot of drugs crimes and arrests by legalizing. Look what it's done for Portugal. Seriously, look it up. Hard drug addiciton is DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY! You have no sources for anything you've said, it's generalized, assumptive bull****. It's willfull ignorance.

Do you drink alcohol, and do you feel it should be illegal?

[sturg33]

Thethe, to me it's just logical to see that if you put pot in so many more hands that DUI's will go up. Pot does effect ones reflexes. I don't see how some one can so it won't. Common math says it will.
If x amount of people on weed causes y dui's today, then x+(increase of people on pot) will an increase y. Aren't you an accountant? How's that not true?

I ****ing hate people behind the wheel that are impaired.

Second, pot is a beginner drug. People don't start out on cocaine or smack. They start out with weed, cough syrup, pills etc. people build up tolerances and Thier high will have to increase. Pot may not be so addictive but the neurological result of being high is. Then as people age Thier drugs if choice increases as the euphoric feelings of being high get greater.

Pot is and is not a gateway drug. I would assume 95% of all drug addicts probably started with weed. Not everyone can maintain a casual lifestyle and not get addicted.



No one is going to argue that the more guns on the streets the more shootings will happen. Accidental and Purposeful. Why wouldn't pot be the same?

A) more people that are scared to do it will dabble. Some of them will enjoy it and smoke more
B) people that smoke now will smoke more
C) more smokers equal more impaired drivers. More impaired drivers equal more dui's and more innocent victims.
D) more people that get high leads to more addicts.
E) addiction leads to more crime


The the: What part of A-E is not correct?

You never answered my question... If DUI's are your issue (since you clearly don't give a **** about individual liberty) - then you do support making alcohol illegal?

[FreemanFan]

Most people try alcohol before they smoke pot. I can't understand how anyone can say pot is dangerous enough to be illegal while still supporting legal alcohol, which kills thousands of people annually. Pot doesn't even qualify as a Schedule II drug, IMO. I would legalize it for adults and tax and regulate it like alcohol and cigarettes.

[Hawk]

Most people try alcohol before they smoke pot. I can't understand how anyone can say pot is dangerous enough to be illegal while still supporting legal alcohol, which kills thousands of people annually. Pot doesn't even qualify as a Schedule II drug, IMO. I would legalize it for adults and tax and regulate it like alcohol and cigarettes.

I agree with this sentiment.

People going around saying pot is harmless need to seriously tone it down. It can be safe when used correctly, but not for everybody... just like alcohol. The recent study on the similarities in brain changes between marijuana smokers and schizophrenics demonstrates just how elementary our psychological understanding of the drug and its effects are.

Legalize it and regulate it.

[thethe]

Alcohol is the TRUE gateway drug.

[Hawk]

thethe Just curious, why did you stop smoking regularly?

[thethe]

thethe Just curious, why did you stop smoking regularly?

I couldn't sleep. Effected my whole day following.

[gtcway]

I've never smoked, marijuana or cigarettes, and don't have any desire to try either. I drink socially, which isn't often. Personally, I see no reason why pot shouldn't be legal if alcohol and cigarettes are.
With so many people's lives ruined or taken as the result of alcohol and tobacco, I can't understand why there isn't more outrage against it.

[jpx7]

I agree with this sentiment.

People going around saying pot is harmless need to seriously tone it down. It can be safe when used correctly, but not for everybody... just like alcohol. The recent study on the similarities in brain changes between marijuana smokers and schizophrenics demonstrates just how elementary our psychological understanding of the drug and its effects are.

Legalize it and regulate it.

Just to be clear: while I largely agree with you—especially about the elementary nature of our understanding, something that's been hampered greatly by social stigmas and institutional embargoes on greater research—the studies to which you allude have almost entirely, if not exclusively, concerned long-term (5+ years) heavy users (at least one smoking-session per day, on average)—who are, at that frequency and for that duration, often smoking some of the highest-potency cannabis available (at least readily) on the underground market.

The fact is, though, specialists aren't even really sure exactly which cannabinoids do what—which, again, is just to say that I agree that harmless has been an overreaction to social stigmas and institutional overexertions, when the more responsible and appropriate argument is that cannabis is less harmful than its Schedule or its legality indicates.