Matt Olson to Braves!

[Hudson2]

Per Passan

[Hudson2]

I’m completely shocked with Freddie still out there. I’m a big Olson fan and we save a bunch of money here. Super sad the Freddie era is over

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Maybe we are moving Ozuna and signing Freeman too!! 😂

[Hudson2]

AA wasn’t gonna get into a bidding war and I’m guessing the money and years were past of his comfort level

[Super]

gave up Langeliers…damn.

oh well. welcome Matt Olson!

[Tapate50]

Lol. I hope he gets 3/85 from LA now

[Coach_Chris]

Wow, we gave up a lot....A LOT. Did not see that coming. Assuming he is signed for 8 years with the haul we gave up...

[thethe]

Team like Braves cannot have 30M locked up in a slightly above league average player.

It just doesn't work. AA knows that.

[bravesnumberone]

Better go ahead and start working on a long-term deal. Otherwise, it's right back in the same spot in two years.

[Hudson2]

Olson is a beast and is from the area so I could see them working on an extension at the end of the season. I hate losing Langeliers but I’m glad we kept Harris and Grissom. Freddie over played his hand here.

[thethe]

I wonder if a 3 year extension is in the cards and what it would cost.

[Carp]

Pache - a ton of potential but prospect status had taken a hit. Still, if the bat can even be league average, he should be an easy 3 WAR guy. Sucks to lose.

Langy - honestly ok with giving him up. Catching prospects always seem to be a bit overrated. And we are deep here.

Cusick - one of the highest potential arms in the organization. Sucks to lose him, but we have depth here.

Estes - one of the higher floors in the organization. But again, trading from depth.

[thethe]

Olson is a beast and is from the area so I could see them working on an extension at the end of the season. I hate losing Langeliers but I’m glad we kept Harris and Grissom. Freddie over played his hand here.

I just didn't want to give up Strider/Grissom. Still haven't left Waters island as well.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

But seriously Braves still have money to add Freeman and play Olson on the dh spot.

[Allstar34bd]

He didn’t overplay his hand. He wasn’t coming back, he let the Braves makes the move first so that he didn’t appear to be the bad guy.

[Mad Dog Murph]

They just traded for one of the best 1B in the game, in his prime. What did you think it would cost? A case of popcorn and a bucket of balls? Of course it cost.

[WaitingFor2017]

We will always have Freddie making the last out to gain us a WS title. Thanks, Freddie!

I’m excited about Olson!

[thethe]

Pache - a ton of potential but prospect status had taken a hit. Still, if the bat can even be league average, he should be an easy 3 WAR guy. Sucks to lose.

Langy - honestly ok with giving him up. Catching prospects always seem to be a bit overrated. And we are deep here.

Cusick - one of the highest potential arms in the organization. Sucks to lose him, but we have depth here.

Estes - one of the higher floors in the organization. But again, trading from depth.

I'd agree. Having guys like Strider/Elder/Tarnok/Vodnik/Schuster make it possible to trade somone like CUsick/Estes.

[PawPawMaxwell]

But seriously Braves still have money to add Freeman and play Olson on the dh spot.

Absolutely no viable reason to sign Freddie now. Also Im sure AA called Freddie before closing the deal with the A's.

[NinersSBChamps]

This means Freddie can finally be at third base!

[bravesfanforlife88]

I feel like my right arm has been broken and started to atrophy but my left arm is now pumped up

[jpx7]

I’m completely shocked with Freddie still out there. I’m a big Olson fan and we save a bunch of money here. Super sad the Freddie era is over

Price probably goes up a bit once Freeman is off the table. Plus the same two other teams chasing Freddie were chasing Olson.

[jpx7]

Wow, we gave up a lot....A LOT. Did not see that coming. Assuming he is signed for 8 years with the haul we gave up...

Everybody's been waiting for Anthopoulos to push some real chips in. Here it is.

I wouldn't be shocked if he tries to extend Olson now, too.

[The Chosen One]

LETS F’ing GO

[jpx7]

But seriously Braves still have money to add Freeman and play Olson on the dh spot.

Freeman would be the DH. Olson is the better defensive player.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Absolutely no viable reason to sign Freddie now. Also Im sure AA called Freddie before closing the deal with the A's.
Ozuna probably LF and Olson DH… Matt Olson contract probably is cheaper that Soler. We still have Waters and Harris coming to play center field.

[McCann'sCans]

Wow. Unreal. So many mixed emotions.

Obviously sad to see Freddie go, but I think that contract becomes an albatross by 2024. We just can't allow that to happen. So glad we got to experience a World Series with him before he moved on.

I might be in the majority, but I'm actually more excited about Contreras' upside than Langeliers. I think Shea ends up being something like a rich man's Zunino, which would've been great for our roster. But I think Contreras has a shot to be really, really special.

Cusick profiles as a (good) reliever to me with a big fastball- I don't see anything there as a starter. Didn't like the pick at the time and this doesn't crush me.

I was starting to really like Pache based on his Twitter account alone and I still think he ends up having a good career. Shame to trade low on someone like him, but I get it. A little worried about CF defensively now- never felt comfortable with Duvall there.

I like Estes a lot more than most. He's probably the one who- especially in the A's org- I can see really biting us down the road.

But the bottom line is we found a way to ensure that our decline at 1B is marginal at best. We did it with an Atlanta kid who is in his prime and who we can keep around awhile, but we also keep our options open in the shorter term. Not only that, but we have an extra $18ish million to spend this season, which is exciting on its own. I truly think this was the best possible outcome.

[CJ9]

Now we hope for Freddie to end up in the AL. Would be incredibly cool for him to go to Toronto.

[thewupk]

AA finally makes the big trade and....I like it

Sucks that Freddie is gone but if he wants the super long deal then so be it.

Braves and Dodgers in the playoffs this year will have even more storylines. It's becoming quite the rivalry.

[thethe]

For what its worth Olson was better than Freeman in things like Barrel/PA & and overall barrel percentage.

[The Chosen One]

Now we await the cringe Freddie Freeman Player’s Tribune article talking about how the fans and city of Atlanta molded him into the man he is today.

”You took this young Canadian boy from Southern California and showed him how to have some Soul. Thank you ATL.”

[Jaw]

Outstanding. Better production, lower salary, less risk of decline, and traded from positions of depth. I'm willing to help Anthopolous push the wheelbarrow that he must need to carry those balls around. Great move. Go get paid Freddie.

[UNCBlue012]

Im sad, I’ll miss Freddie but I’m so stoked about this.

[bravesfanforlife88]

Cristian pache
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My heart is broken. I just found out that I was traded to the A's. I know that's the way this business works, but I want Braves fans to know that I will be eternally grateful to him wherever he goes. Thank you for so much support, for so much love and for being so special to me.

[mqt]

I wonder what we spend the money on now in FA.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

AA should be fired if FF signs within $15 of our offer and for trading Lango. https://i.imgur.com/OD8yXsD.gif

Where will Olson sign in two years when we go through the same song and dance with him?

[The Chosen One]

Very good chance most of the fans in Braves County have zero clue who Matt Olson is. But they’ll be super prideful that they can brag he’s from ATL a hometown boy.

[mqt]

AA should be fired if FF signs within $15 of our offer and for trading Lango. https://i.imgur.com/OD8yXsD.gif

Where will Olson sign in two years when we go through the same song and dance with him?

Two years from now we’d be starting to pay for Freddie’s decline years, so I’m not much worried about what happens then.

[jpx7]

Wow. Unreal. So many mixed emotions.

Obviously sad to see Freddie go, but I think that contract becomes an albatross by 2024. We just can't allow that to happen. So glad we got to experience a World Series with him before he moved on.

I might be in the majority, but I'm actually more excited about Contreras' upside than Langeliers. I think Shea ends up being something like a rich man's Zunino, which would've been great for our roster. But I think Contreras has a shot to be really, really special.

Cusick profiles as a (good) reliever to me with a big fastball- I don't see anything there as a starter. Didn't like the pick at the time and this doesn't crush me.

I was starting to really like Pache based on his Twitter account alone and I still think he ends up having a good career. Shame to trade low on someone like him, but I get it. A little worried about CF defensively now- never felt comfortable with Duvall there.

I like Estes a lot more than most. He's probably the one who- especially in the A's org- I can see really biting us down the road.

But the bottom line is we found a way to ensure that our decline at 1B is marginal at best. We did it with an Atlanta kid who is in his prime and who we can keep around awhile, but we also keep our options open in the shorter term. Not only that, but we have an extra $18ish million to spend this season, which is exciting on its own. I truly think this was the best possible outcome.

This is pretty much exactly my take, re the prospects involved. I liked Estes a lot, had hope for Pache rebounding, like Contreras better than Langeliers long-term, and think Cusick is a huge wildcard with substantial reliever risk.

But that's what it takes to acquire—all due respect to Freeman—probably the current best 1B in the game, this side of Toronto.

[Garmel]

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[WaitingFor2017]

If you’re AA, do you try to go ahead and extend Olson through his age 34 season of 2026? That would put him as a FA similar to Ozzie and Ronnie.

[Tapate50]

Outstanding. Better production, lower salary, less risk of decline, and traded from positions of depth. I'm willing to help Anthopolous push the wheelbarrow that he must need to carry those balls around. Great move. Go get paid Freddie.

I'll be honest... its a VERY savvy move once you get over Freeman being gone.

I have a friend that can't stand FF. He's gonna be really happy.

[thewupk]

I'll be honest... its a VERY savvy move once you get over Freeman being gone.

I have a friend that can't stand FF. He's gonna be really happy.

AA continuing to show he's one of the best GMs in the league

[Russ2dollas]

I hate it.

I don't like giving up Langeliers and Pache for a 1b. I know he can hit. I would think a package like that could get us a good hitter at a premium position. It's only two years of control. I would not have done it. I would have at least changed Lango for Contreras or Pache for Waters.

This also makes me worried that we are truly cash strapped.

I can only defend it if we spend the rest of the money on another impact bat or arm.

[Hudson2]

I wish we could have gotten Manaea somehow. But we have a lot of money to get whatever we need.

[VirginiaBrave]

Does this put anyone on the board?

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

MLB Network had a Olson/Freeman numbers comparison the other night and the main offensive categories they highlighted were something like a 2-2 tie. Of course they then declared how much better Freeman was. I can't find it online.

[Garmel]

Does this put anyone on the board?

We can get Soler and possibly go after a #3 pitcher instead of a #4.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

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[Russ2dollas]

MLB Network had a Olson/Freeman numbers comparison the other night and the main offensive categories they highlighted were something like a 2-2 tie. Of course they then declared how much better Freeman was. I can't find it online.

but FF could be had for $. Olson cost us a ton of prospect capital.

[thewupk]

but FF could be had for $. Olson cost us a ton of prospect capital.

And Freddie is likely to be way overpaid at the end of his contract

[The Chosen One]

Didn't realize Olson had like three fielding bible awards.

Chip is gonna be so sad because everyone loves how he scoops baseballs on low and bad throws.

[Super]

I hate it.

I don't like giving up Langeliers and Pache for a 1b. I know he can hit. I would think a package like that could get us a good hitter at a premium position. It's only two years of control. I would not have done it. I would have at least changed Lango for Contreras or Pache for Waters.

This also makes me worried that we are truly cash strapped.

I can only defend it if we spend the rest of the money on another impact bat or arm.

lol if you offer Contreras and Waters instead the deal isn’t made. Pache has fallen too much for that package to get a player at a premier position.

[Tapate50]

but FF could be had for $. Olson cost us a ton of prospect capital.

Should recoup a draft pick for his exit I guess.

Not a "ton" either. Our farm system is....not good.

[Super]

I'll be honest... its a VERY savvy move once you get over Freeman being gone.

I have a friend that can't stand FF. He's gonna be really happy.

literally already over Freeman being gone.

[McCann'sCans]

Feels like a Pujols situation. Everyone couldn't fathom that he would leave St. Louis. A couple years later, every Cardinals fan was thanking their lucky stars that they didn't sign him to an albatross contract. I think we'll be feeling the same after our fourth straight title in 2024 as Freddie is showing serious decline for the Dodgers.

[Hulavol]

Said this in the other thread too: the big league is now much better and in much better shape for the window to stay open.

[The Chosen One]

Feels like a Pujols situation. Everyone couldn't fathom that he would leave St. Louis. A couple years later, every Cardinals fan was thanking their lucky stars that they didn't sign him to an albatross contract. I think we'll be feeling the same after our fourth straight title in 2024 as Freddie is showing serious decline for the Dodgers.

I don't think Freddie would decline as bad as Pujols.

Fred is a gym rat. Pujols really let himself go. I think Fred will stay in shape but who knows how much that will counter his regression.

Pujols offensively was elite elite. So he fell off a bigger cliff. Freddie never been that close.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

but FF could be had for $. Olson cost us a ton of prospect capital.

I'm trying to warm up to it. Don't like losing Lango (I think that hurt and was as shocking as Freeman) but Contreras has always been on my untouchable list. I'm just trying to make this day less sucky.

[CJ9]

Link to Anthopoulos interview about 15 mins ago: https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/1503445124830924803?s=20&t=hp7XheQ-uZLQqRU9Ybqbkw.

Don't think I've ever heard this tone from him. He genuinely sounds emotional. Easy to see this was a tough decision.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Please don’t be to a division rival, the Dodgers, or the Yankees. That’s all I ask.

[The Chosen One]

Obviously Braves feel confident in Contreras taking over from D'Arnaud eventually.

[Russ2dollas]

And Freddie is likely to be way overpaid at the end of his contract

and Langeliers and Pache and Cusik will be at minimum rates at the end of FF contract. Now they might not all be MLB players. I feel very confident SL was going to be at least an avg starting C.

[VirginiaBrave]

We can get Soler and possibly go after a #3 pitcher instead of a #4.

I am thinking bigger. Correa bigger.

[Russ2dollas]

Should recoup a draft pick for his exit I guess.

Not a "ton" either. Our farm system is....not good.

Our Farm isn't bad. It's middle of the road. As we get expensive guys on the roster (Acuna, Olson, etc) we need cheap guys to balance. It's being described as a haul by neutral observers for a reason.

It's not like Olson has 4 years of control. He's making real money this year and will make a ton in his last arb year.

[Russ2dollas]

Obviously Braves feel confident in Contreras taking over from D'Arnaud eventually.

I'm going to have to agree. Maybe they really believe in Contreras' bat. Maybe they think the robot umps will make his defense less important.

[AJonesATL]

Analytically its hard to argue against this unless your a prospect lover that hates giving up prospects. We got a guy that was statistically better last year, that is younger and likely about $20mm cheaper. Olson + another big bat is > Freeman next year - and that's ignoring the long-term.

Emotionally while it hurts, its pretty rare that we've seen the 30+ year old baseball player sign the big contract and make his old team regret letting him go years later. In a weird way the Acuna injury for those that are Acuna fanatics like I am, is almost the best example of why you should appreciate this trade. Why? Because Acuna is one of the most talented and exciting players ever - and this season sucked when he was healthy...and turned into the best memory Braves fans have had in almost three decades. The punchline is winning is >>> name on the back of the jersey. Punchline is while we have an emotional tie to players, it always comes down to the front of the jersey and this move should give us a better chance to win both now and in the future.

Just one question - Anyone have concerns or data alleviating concerns of how bad Olson was in 2020? The one thing he doesn't have is a track-record of consistency, albeit his power numbers look like they have always been there, so wondering if 2020 was a case of significant bad-luck?

[Russ2dollas]

Please don’t be to a division rival, the Dodgers, or the Yankees. That’s all I ask.

FF will go to the dodgers and they are going to be so stacked. Only good part of the playoff expansion is maybe randomness in that format lets the Dodgers get bit.

[The Chosen One]

Analytically its hard to argue against this unless your a prospect lover that hates giving up prospects. We got a guy that was statistically better last year, that is younger and likely about $20mm cheaper. Olson + another big bat is > Freeman next year - and that's ignoring the long-term.

Emotionally while it hurts, its pretty rare that we've seen the 30+ year old baseball player sign the big contract and make his old team regret letting him go years later. In a weird way the Acuna injury for those that are Acuna fanatics like I am, is almost the best example of why you should appreciate this trade. Why? Because Acuna is one of the most talented and exciting players ever - and this season sucked when he was healthy...and turned into the best memory Braves fans have had in almost three decades. The punchline is winning is >>> name on the back of the jersey. Punchline is while we have an emotional tie to players, it always comes down to the front of the jersey and this move should give us a better chance to win both now and in the future.

Just one question - Anyone have concerns or data alleviating concerns of how bad Olson was in 2020? The one thing he doesn't have is a track-record of consistency, albeit his power numbers look like they have always been there, so wondering if 2020 was a case of significant bad-luck?

2020 was a weird season since it was a third of the games.

Freeman’s usual cold months never came in so he stayed hot the entire 2.5 months and won an MVP.

Ozuna almost won the triple crown.

[jsebe10]

Per DOB;

Alex Anthopoulos fought back tears as he discussed the Olson trade, which he said was the toughest decision he’s had to make as a GM, and it was clear he meant the Freddie Freeman aspect of it without saying his name.

[jsebe10]

Per Joel Sherman:

Source told The Post that the #Braves did not give Freeman or his representatives a heads up that the Olson trade was coming.

[Russ2dollas]

lol if you offer Contreras and Waters instead the deal isn’t made. Pache has fallen too much for that package to get a player at a premier position.

I said or, not both.

And I would be ok without the deal being made.

I would rather have used that group to get a player at another position and either signed FF or Signed Soler to play 1B.

I feel like this is the package to get Bryan Renyolds, maybe throw in another arm. I'd rather put my eggs in the CF who can hit basket (with more control and a lower salary number) than in a 1B.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

AA couldn't wait forever. I hope FF is happy he doesn't seem like the bad guy. Jives with the earlier report.

[UNCBlue012]

Anyone heard from Enscheff about this?

[The Chosen One]

Per Joel Sherman:

Source told The Post that the #Braves did not give Freeman or his representatives a heads up that the Olson trade was coming.

AA said in a little press circle that they felt they couldn't wait any longer because there's too many other things they needed to address with the season coming up. Acuña not being ready the first month of the season.

So seems like FF's agent had months to figure out where Freddie stood, and kept milking it and prolonging a decision.

AA had to do what's best for the team first. And I think deep down he knew they gave FF a competitive offer btu he wasn't gonna be able to match or outbid LAD/NYY.

[jpx7]

Please don’t be to a division rival, the Dodgers, or the Yankees. That’s all I ask.

That's pretty much the totality of his suitors.

[UNCBlue012]

DOB: Anthopoulos also noted that #Braves don't expect Acuña to be ready to play the outfield before late May. Said they had to put together team, decided last night to move forward (from Freeman) and that's when the A's trade talks got serious.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Can obviously tell how tough this was for Alex. I hate to see Freddie go and I know he does too. Sometimes, tough decisions need to be made.

[nsacpi]

Sad to see Frederick the Great go. But this move is about financial flexibility and extenting the window of contention.

[msstate7]

DOB: Anthopoulos also noted that #Braves don't expect Acuña to be ready to play the outfield before late May. Said they had to put together team, decided last night to move forward (from Freeman) and that's when the A's trade talks got serious.

So we can expect an OF soon

[Super]

I'm going to have to agree. Maybe they really believe in Contreras' bat. Maybe they think the robot umps will make his defense less important.

Kiley has us at 27.

[jpx7]

t's being described as a haul by neutral observers for a reason.

Have to hope the Braves think they're selling high on everyone but Pache. I personally think this looks like a pretty fair deal for the second-best 1B in the game right now.

[nsacpi]

Better go ahead and start working on a long-term deal. Otherwise, it's right back in the same spot in two years.

I suspect Olson will only be a Brave for 2 years. Unless he extents for very team-friendly terms. AA only does long-term deals on team-friendly terms, and rightly so.

[Russ2dollas]

Link to Anthopoulos interview about 15 mins ago: https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/1503445124830924803?s=20&t=hp7XheQ-uZLQqRU9Ybqbkw.

Don't think I've ever heard this tone from him. He genuinely sounds emotional. Easy to see this was a tough decision.

Interesting that AA said, "Acuna can't PLAY THE FIELD until may." Is Acuna the DH? I'd think running the bases the way he does would be tough on the knees.

[The Chosen One]

So we can expect an OF soon

We have Duvall, Ozuna already. Heredia can play OF but I do not want to see him as a starter full time.

[jpx7]

Analytically its hard to argue against this unless your a prospect lover that hates giving up prospects. We got a guy that was statistically better last year, that is younger and likely about $20mm cheaper. Olson + another big bat is > Freeman next year - and that's ignoring the long-term.

Emotionally while it hurts, its pretty rare that we've seen the 30+ year old baseball player sign the big contract and make his old team regret letting him go years later. In a weird way the Acuna injury for those that are Acuna fanatics like I am, is almost the best example of why you should appreciate this trade. Why? Because Acuna is one of the most talented and exciting players ever - and this season sucked when he was healthy...and turned into the best memory Braves fans have had in almost three decades. The punchline is winning is >>> name on the back of the jersey. Punchline is while we have an emotional tie to players, it always comes down to the front of the jersey and this move should give us a better chance to win both now and in the future.

Just one question - Anyone have concerns or data alleviating concerns of how bad Olson was in 2020? The one thing he doesn't have is a track-record of consistency, albeit his power numbers look like they have always been there, so wondering if 2020 was a case of significant bad-luck?

I was with you until the "Acuña sucked when he was healthy in 2021". He was, in fact, quite good, as he has always been thus far.

[Hudson2]

Love Freddie but Olson is a stud and is younger and I think they’ll end up extending him. AA should be able to move pretty quickly on Soler and possibly Rosario both. What pitchers are available?

[The Chosen One]

Interesting that AA said, "Acuna can't PLAY THE FIELD until may." Is Acuna the DH? I'd think running the bases the way he does would be tough on the knees.

There's several options to go.

Acuna DH'ing until late May. Ozuna can DH after.

I think AA just looking for solid depth. We could bring Soler back or Rosario to be a body in the field. And then flip straws on Soler and Ozuna DH'ing when Ronald goes back to the field.

[The Chosen One]

I was with you until the "Acuña sucked when he was healthy in 2021". He was, in fact, quite good, as he has always been thus far.

Acuna had the highest WAR in baseball before he got hurt. So he was the de facto best player in baseball up to the point.

[msstate7]

We have Duvall, Ozuna already. Heredia can play OF but I do not want to see him as a starter full time.

I say one of these 3: soler, Suzuki, or conforto

[chop2chip]

Trading prospects isn’t without risk, but a guarantee of giving Freddie big money is that it limits the players you can retain or sign.

As long as payroll doesn’t go down (AA said it’s definitely “going up”), then this move makes much more sense than retaining Freddie. Olson’s prime window aligns perfectly with our core.

If the Braves gave the majority of their remaining payroll to sign Freddie, then we were always going to need to trade prospects (like Pache or Langeliers) to fill out the roster with more affordable options. I’m excited to see how AA uses the payroll flexibility.

[Metaphysicist]

End of the day, if we weren’t keeping Freeman its hard to ask for anything more than this.

[Russ2dollas]

Have to hope the Braves think they're selling high on everyone but Pache. I personally think this looks like a pretty fair deal for the second-best 1B in the game right now.

I think for me it's about 1B. I just do not put a lot of thought on 1B. If I'm moving a lot of my chips I want to get an impact bat who plays basically any other position. We could stick most anyone at 1B IMO. I know 1B defense helps. I know the confidence in FF over there helps the other INF. BUT I'd rather have Ozuna at 1B and Renyolds in CF (Obviously don't know if the Renyolds is gettable) than Olson at 1B.

[jpx7]

I said or, not both.

And I would be ok without the deal being made.

I would rather have used that group to get a player at another position and either signed FF or Signed Soler to play 1B.

I feel like this is the package to get Bryan Renyolds, maybe throw in another arm. I'd rather put my eggs in the CF who can hit basket (with more control and a lower salary number) than in a 1B.

Reynolds probably costs substantially more than the Olson package, for the very reasons you mentioned. Plus, as Encheff has noted frequently, the A's have a history of preferring a group of higher-floor, near-MLB players over one single blue-chip guy—which coincidentally made them a good fit for what Anthopoulos could offer.

[Russ2dollas]

I say one of these 3: soler, Suzuki, or conforto

I've always like COnforto. I think we could use another LH. Of course depends on dollars and years.

[smootness]

I was with you until the "Acuña sucked when he was healthy in 2021". He was, in fact, quite good, as he has always been thus far.

He was saying the Braves sucked when Acuna was healthy last year, then took off later with him out. I think his point was that this isn't basketball, your team doesn't ride on a big star one way or another the way it does in other sports.

[bravesnumberone]

So unless Olson is going to be the LF and Freddie at 1B, we better be getting another OF, maybe even two, pretty quickly.

[Russ2dollas]

Reynolds probably costs substantially more than the Olson package, for the very reasons you mentioned. Plus, as Encheff has noted frequently, the A's have a history of preferring a group of higher-floor, near-MLB players over one single blue-chip guy—which coincidentally made them a good fit for what Anthopoulos could offer.

But that is not this package unless you are really low on Pache. Pache and SL are low floor in the sense they have great Defense that will carry them. But they also have a lot of offensive potential. Cusick is a high ceiling guy we just drafted.

High floor low ceiling would be more like the WF Lefty over Cusick. Or Shewmake over Pache. Or taking a lot of the Davidson, Touki, Elder, Muller type guys.

[chop2chip]

So unless Olson is going to be the LF and Freddie at 1B, we better be getting another OF, maybe even two, pretty quickly.
Put it this way, AA didn’t cry today because he had to trade Pache to make room for Olson in LF.

[jpx7]

But that is not this package unless you are really low on Pache. Pache and SL are low floor in the sense they have great Defense that will carry them. But they also have a lot of offensive potential. Cusick is a high ceiling guy we just drafted.

High floor low ceiling would be more like the WF Lefty over Cusick. Or Shewmake over Pache. Or taking a lot of the Davidson, Touki, Elder, Muller type guys.

I like Langaliers, but I like Contreras more. And I'm just not sure I see the offensive potential of Pache; at this point, the hope was he'd hit enough to stick in the lineup.

Either way, I don't think any of that group is truly blue-chip—which is what I think it will take for Reynolds.

[zitothebrave]

Honestly, Olson will never be as good as Freeman, I feel pretty comfortable saying that. I will always love Freddie, he's an icon. Just like Brian McCann, go get paid somewhere else. We'll always love you.

[jpx7]

Honestly, Olson will never be as good as Freeman, I feel pretty comfortable saying that. I will always love Freddie, he's an icon. Just like Brian McCann, go get paid somewhere else. We'll always love you.

Olson was already better than Freeman in 2021?

[AJonesATL]

I was with you until the "Acuña sucked when he was healthy in 2021". He was, in fact, quite good, as he has always been thus far.

Sorry my language wasn't clear - I was saying this season as a braves fan sucked when he was healthy - not acuna.

[Russ2dollas]

I will also say, this has to be a VERY clear message to the Max Fried, Riley, Dansby, Anderson etc of the world. IF you want to stay a brave, you need to talk to AA about an extension and you'll have to give up money.

If you want to maximize your money, no judgement, but AA is going to move on even if it makes him cry.

[Russ2dollas]

Olson was already better than Freeman in 2021?

Olson has never played in a big game. FF has come through in big spots before. FF was also a leader. And that matters over 162.

FF also seemed to bully guys to play everyday. So maybe that gets better.

[The Chosen One]

Olson was already better than Freeman in 2021?

I think he means, no matter what Olson does, he will never match the love fans had for Freddie.

Freddie was supposed to be Chipper 2.0.

[The Chosen One]

Olson has never played in a big game. FF has come through in big spots before. FF was also a leader. And that matters over 162.

FF also seemed to bully guys to play everyday. So maybe that gets better.

Hadn't taken that into account but that's a big deal. He was basically overriding Snitker on guys resting.

[chop2chip]

Hadn't taken that into account but that's a big deal. He was basically overriding Snitker on guys resting.
I look forward to Dansby and Ozzie not fading down the stretch this year because they aren’t broken

[clvclv]

Almost think you HAVE TO follow this up by signing Conforto and possibly another OF.

I hear them saying they're fine with Ozuna playing defense in LF - I've yet to see anyone say it when someone can actually look them in the eyes when they do it. If you go get Conforto to play RF until Acuna's ready and sign Rosario or Joc to play LF until that point one of them can platoon with Ozuna at DH.

If nothing else, I think the main thing that can be gleaned from this deal is that they think Harris and/or Waters will be ready to assume everyday roles by Opening Day 2023.

[jpx7]

I think he means, no matter what Olson does, he will never match the love fans had for Freddie.

Freddie was supposed to be Chipper 2.0.

Gotta take short-term deals at below-market to be Chipper 2.0.

I don't blame Freeman for not doing that—I'd probably do the same as him, in his position—but it's the reality of the situation.

[bravesfanMatt]

I have never watch Olson play. I hope he can dig them like FF can. Our infielders don't throw the ball great all the time.

[Tapate50]

Olson has never played in a big game. FF has come through in big spots before. FF was also a leader. And that matters over 162.



Freeman has also disappeared in some big spots before. Last season's bias is showing.

[zbhargrove]

Honestly, Olson will never be as good as Freeman, I feel pretty comfortable saying that. I will always love Freddie, he's an icon. Just like Brian McCann, go get paid somewhere else. We'll always love you.

I mean he already has been better than Freddie

[Russ2dollas]

Klaw's trade article:
This seems like an incredible return for the A’s for two years of Olson as he comes off what is probably a career year.

[Russ2dollas]

Freeman has also disappeared in some big spots before. Last season's bias is showing.

Didn't say he was perfect. And Big spots happen in pennant races too, not just playoffs. Have the As had any pressure games?

[zbhargrove]

Olson has never played in a big game. FF has come through in big spots before. FF was also a leader. And that matters over 162.

FF also seemed to bully guys to play everyday. So maybe that gets better.

He's come through in some big spots... I remember him disappearing in big games more than coming through over the last few years. Last year was an exception.

Also Olson has played in big games... he's played in 9 career post season games. Granted he wasn't very good in those 9 games.

[msstate7]

Klaw's trade article:
This seems like an incredible return for the A’s for two years of Olson as he comes off what is probably a career year.

Let's just hope we didn't get fleeced

[Enscheff]

Pache - a ton of potential but prospect status had taken a hit. Still, if the bat can even be league average, he should be an easy 3 WAR guy. Sucks to lose.

Langy - honestly ok with giving him up. Catching prospects always seem to be a bit overrated. And we are deep here.

Cusick - one of the highest potential arms in the organization. Sucks to lose him, but we have depth here.

Estes - one of the higher floors in the organization. But again, trading from depth.

Ouch. AA paid dearly to avoid paying an aging 1B.

I’m not sure I love this, but it probably means Freeman’s price got to the ludicrous range.

[The Chosen One]

He's come through in some big spots... I remember him disappearing in big games more than coming through over the last few years. Last year was an exception.

Lest we forget he started off the LCS like 0-8 with like six or seven strikeouts.

If you really look at his postseason numbers, a lot of his homers before 2020 in the playoffs were in blowout situations where we were already down and losing by a lot towards end of the game.

[chop2chip]

Klaw's trade article:
This seems like an incredible return for the A’s for two years of Olson as he comes off what is probably a career year.

He also thinks the Braves are better off with Olson than Freddie (and clearly better off once you factor in cost savings).

[Enscheff]

There better be some big additions coming in the OF and at SP now.

[zbhargrove]

Part of me is a little worried last year was a fluke for Olson... I mean... who cuts their K-rate in half in a year?

[Tapate50]

Part of me is a little worried last year was a fluke for Olson... I mean... who cuts their K-rate in half in a year?

Guys who want AA to trade for them really really bad.

[jpx7]

Klaw's trade article:
This seems like an incredible return for the A’s for two years of Olson as he comes off what is probably a career year.

Law is also the high-man on Pache, if I remember correctly, so that undoubtedly factors into his evaluation.

[zbhargrove]

There better be some big additions coming in the OF and at SP now.

Yup... IMO that's what will tell me how much I like this trade or now. We need 2-4 significant more pieces now.

[thethe]

Yup... IMO that's what will tell me how much I like this trade or now. We need 2-4 significant more pieces now.

Why after this deal would we need 2-4 pieces? Olson/Freeman are effectively a push at this point.

[Russ2dollas]

Law is also the high-man on Pache, if I remember correctly, so that undoubtedly factors into his evaluation.

he is the no doubt high man on pache. But it's still just two years of control. I really think we should have only had to give up 2/3 headliners.

[striker42]

I'm not worried about Olson. He's in his prime and is a very good bet to be a 4.5 win player at least. That's on par with what Freeman did last year.

I just want to see what they do with the cash they saved.

[Russ2dollas]

Why after this deal would we need 2-4 pieces? Olson/Freeman are effectively a push at this point.

Bc we needed them before.

Who is the LF? WHo is the CF? Who is on the bench? Who are the 4 and 5 starters? Do we have any impact RH RPs?

[bravesfanforlife88]

Yup... IMO that's what will tell me how much I like this trade or now. We need 2-4 significant more pieces now.

Agreed. Theoretically, there should be a ton of cash available. They need 1 or 2 more bats, plus another starter

[zbhargrove]

Langeliers and Cusick are the ones that sting for me. I think both are going to be very good.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Now go get Soler.

[thethe]

Bc we needed them before.

Who is the LF? WHo is the CF? Who is on the bench? Who are the 4 and 5 starters? Do we have any impact RH RPs?

Duval is our center fielder.

LF is the acquisition. I'm obviously of the belief that we need to use our depth of SP options to fill those spots.

We have TYler Yates for right handed pen help no?

[zbhargrove]

I'm not worried about Olson. He's in his prime and is a very good bet to be a 4.5 win player at least. That's on par with what Freeman did last year.

I just want to see what they do with the cash they saved.

Yeah but cutting your K-rate in half in one year is not something very common....

[zbhargrove]

Why after this deal would we need 2-4 pieces? Olson/Freeman are effectively a push at this point.

Because we have a ton of money and could use huge upgrades in the OF and SP... what the heck is the point of trading for a cheaper option if you don't use those savings to really improve your club even more? Otherwise you just got rid of most of our Top 10 prospects for the same type team.

[striker42]

Yeah but cutting your K-rate in half in one year is not something very common....

True, but he was about a 4 win player before that. So I think there's enough improvement there where 4.6 isn't much of a stretch

[zbhargrove]

Duval is our center fielder.

LF is the acquisition. I'm obviously of the belief that we need to use our depth of SP options to fill those spots.

We have TYler Yates for right handed pen help no?

Duvall should not be our every day CFer lol

[zbhargrove]

True, but he was about a 4 win player before that. So I think there's enough improvement there where 4.6 isn't much of a stretch

I just hope his prime continue that complete player picture and he doesn't turn into something like Gallo

[McCann'sCans]

Why after this deal would we need 2-4 pieces? Olson/Freeman are effectively a push at this point.

I tend to agree that Olson/Freeman are effectively a push. But we're down Soler, Rosario and Pederson from last year. Smyly started 23 games for us last year. Morton is coming off a broken leg and Acuna off a torn ligament. Unless we are assuming that those two will come back healthy quickly and we won't have any injuries this year, definitely seems to me that we need at least one OF and a SP.

[zbhargrove]

Duval is our center fielder.

LF is the acquisition. I'm obviously of the belief that we need to use our depth of SP options to fill those spots.

We have TYler Yates for right handed pen help no?

Its Kirby Yates and he's coming off his second TJS and last I heard he won't be ready for a few months. Why would you count on that?

[jpx7]

Yeah but cutting your K-rate in half in one year is not something very common....

He was at 3.5 and 3.9 WAR in 2018 and 2019, respectively, before showing big gains in bb% in 2020 and 2021; then last year, he held those gains in bb% while cutting k%. It's quite possible he's just developing plate discipline as he enters his prime, to pair with his already-prodigious power (which should be aided by moving to a more hitter-friendly home park). Then there's the top-flight defense.

Outside of the sentimental elements re Freeman, it's hard to be too disappointed in this gamble by Anthopoulos.

[thethe]

Because we have a ton of money and could use huge upgrades in the OF and SP... what the heck is the point of trading for a cheaper option if you don't use those savings to really improve your club even more? Otherwise you just got rid of most of our Top 10 prospects for the same type team.

I'm all for a big addition. I just took umbridge with the idea we NEED to make 2-4 Big moves.

Give me Soler or Conforto in LF and then start extending the core that we have.

[bravesfanforlife88]

I tend to agree that Olson/Freeman are effectively a push. But we're down Soler, Rosario and Pederson from last year. Smyly started 23 games for us last year. Morton is coming off a broken leg and Acuna off a torn ligament. Unless we are assuming that those two will come back healthy quickly and we won't have any injuries this year, definitely seems to me that we need at least one OF and a SP.

AA did say in his press conference today that there are multiple holes on the team that need to be filled. So yes, I expect him to make at least 1-2 more deals before the start of the season.

[thethe]

Its Kirby Yates and he's coming off his second TJS and last I heard he won't be ready for a few months. Why would you count on that?

Because I don't care about the regular season honestly. I think Braves cruise to a playoff spot.

But being cautious as you say is the more prudent approach.

[zbhargrove]

I'm all for a big addition. I just took umbridge with the idea we NEED to make 2-4 Big moves.

Give me Soler or Conforto in LF and then start extending the core that we have.

With how much money we have, it is insulting to the fans if you don't make 2-3 more significant moves with that much money available.

[zbhargrove]

Because I don't care about the regular season honestly. I think Braves cruise to a playoff spot.

But being cautious as you say is the more prudent approach.

Well that and Venters is pretty much one of the only success stories to succeed after a second TJS. And even then, it didn't last long.

[thethe]

I tend to agree that Olson/Freeman are effectively a push. But we're down Soler, Rosario and Pederson from last year. Smyly started 23 games for us last year. Morton is coming off a broken leg and Acuna off a torn ligament. Unless we are assuming that those two will come back healthy quickly and we won't have any injuries this year, definitely seems to me that we need at least one OF and a SP.

Nobody is going to disagree with the OF but I just think we need to find out if these guys can pitch in the 4/5 spots:

Ynoa
Wright
Muller
Strider
Elder
Davidson

I get if we only had 3-4 guys for that but we go pretty deep for guys that at least deserve a shot.

[TURBO]

Next 2 years are most likely going to be similar between Freeman and Olson. The value to us is avoiding paying likely 4 more years to an aging first baseman. This should give us a bit more flexibility. The prospect cost was high, but I trust AA has a plan for the saved money

[thethe]

With how much money we have, it is insulting to the fans if you don't make 2-3 more significant moves with that much money available.

I think if you announce extensions for Fried/Riley that could go a long way to showing Brave fans you are committed t this core of winning.

[DirkPiggler]

Interesting that AA said, "Acuna can't PLAY THE FIELD until may." Is Acuna the DH? I'd think running the bases the way he does would be tough on the knees.

Remember that AA said last year that they considered activating Ronald and having him DH in the World Series.

[thethe]

Also remember that AA likes to keep money in reserve for mid season upgrades. Never know when taking big money in a deal helps.

Its not about fielding your best team on April 7th.

[chop2chip]

AA said payroll is definitely going up, so assuming a $160 million payroll, how much money does that leave us with?

Anybody here keep a tracker?

[zbhargrove]

I think if you announce extensions for Fried/Riley that could go a long way to showing Brave fans you are committed t this core of winning.

I'm not extending Fried with his injury/blister history.

[zbhargrove]

Also remember that AA likes to keep money in reserve for mid season upgrades. Never know when taking big money in a deal helps.

Its not about fielding your best team on April 7th.

Never said it was... but the team is nowhere near ready to start the season.

[thethe]

I'm not extending Fried with his injury history.

Eh - Its mostly been blisters.

Fried is going to be an absolute workhorse moving forward.

[The Chosen One]

AA said payroll is definitely going up, so assuming a $160 million payroll, how much money does that leave us with?

Anybody here keep a tracker?

We usually keep room for mid-season additions.

[Russ2dollas]

Duval is our center fielder.

LF is the acquisition. I'm obviously of the belief that we need to use our depth of SP options to fill those spots.

We have TYler Yates for right handed pen help no?

Duval is a fake it in CF type.
Yates is not going to available for a while. His contract suggests we expect to get value in 2023.

I'm not sure who we can get to play in the OF for our pitching depth. We just traded our one big upside guy.

It's certainly possible we can get solid 4/5 production from a couple of Wright, Davidson, Strider, Muller, Touki, Ynoa and Elder. But that is a pretty big gamble on 40% of the rotation. Especially with Morton old and off a broken leg. And Fried seems like a guy that needs rest. I'm sure we'll sign an Annibal Sanchez type too. We do every year and they get 1 million if they make the team.

[McCann'sCans]

Nobody is going to disagree with the OF but I just think we need to find out if these guys can pitch in the 4/5 spots:

Ynoa
Wright
Muller
Strider
Elder
Davidson

I get if we only had 3-4 guys for that but we go pretty deep for guys that at least deserve a shot.

Right, but even if we sign someone we still can put one of those guys in the rotation. It doesn't seem smart to expect Anderson/Morton/Fried to stay healthy all season. You don't want to suddenly be in May with a rotation of Morton/Elder/Ynoa/Wright/Muller because Anderson needs surgery and Fried has a blister.

[thethe]

Never said it was... but the team is nowhere near ready to start the season.

Lets assume Soler in LF. By June 1st this is the lineup:

Acuna
Olson
Ozuna
Soler
Riley
Albies
TDA
Duvall
Dansby

That is a STACKED lineup. Depending on how Ozuna bounces back you could be talking about top 5 in the league.

Top 3 in the rotation is very good. Back end has a lot of high end talent guys.

Back end of bullpen is great with help from the arms that don't make it to the starting rotation.

I think the team looks very good after the one outfield signing.

Then at the deadline you take a big contract for a pitcher off a teams hands.

[Russ2dollas]

Remember that AA said last year that they considered activating Ronald and having him DH in the World Series.

I did not. Thank you.

With that info you have to assume that the plan is Ozuna in LF, Duvall in RF and Ronnie at DH. So we don't have a CF unless you are the one person who believes in Waters. Harris isn't on the 40 man and that is a crazy jump.

[thethe]

Duval is a fake it in CF type.
Yates is not going to available for a while. His contract suggests we expect to get value in 2023.

I'm not sure who we can get to play in the OF for our pitching depth. We just traded our one big upside guy.

It's certainly possible we can get solid 4/5 production from a couple of Wright, Davidson, Strider, Muller, Touki, Ynoa and Elder. But that is a pretty big gamble on 40% of the rotation. Especially with Morton old and off a broken leg. And Fried seems like a guy that needs rest. I'm sure we'll sign an Annibal Sanchez type too. We do every year and they get 1 million if they make the team.

I'm good with taking a low risk option like that. But I WANT to give those guys the opporutnity to fail/succeed and that outcome means much more to the Braves long term than 8 million on some #4 veteran pitcher.

[thethe]

Right, but even if we sign someone we still can put one of those guys in the rotation. It doesn't seem smart to expect Anderson/Morton/Fried to stay healthy all season. You don't want to suddenly be in May with a rotation of Morton/Elder/Ynoa/Wright/Muller because Anderson needs surgery and Fried has a blister.

But I would like to keep in reserve enough to make a significant upgrade at the deadline that costs nothing but assuming a contract.

[zbhargrove]

Lets assume Soler in LF. By June 1st this is the lineup:

Acuna
Olson
Ozuna
Soler
Riley
Albies
TDA
Duvall
Dansby

That is a STACKED lineup. Depending on how Ozuna bounces back you could be talking about top 5 in the league.

Top 3 in the rotation is very good. Back end has a lot of high end talent guys.

Back end of bullpen is great with help from the arms that don't make it to the starting rotation.

I think the team looks very good after the one outfield signing.

Then at the deadline you take a big contract for a pitcher off a teams hands.

Because the back end rotation guys you are counting on have proven nothing. We aren't a developing team, we are champs.... I'm not gambling rotation spots with arms that have barely had any sustained success in MLB... that's just not smart. And you're way too comfortable with the very real health problems that our staff has exhibited.

[zitothebrave]

Olson was already better than Freeman in 2021?

I was talking more as far as ceiling and historical performance. Freeman at 27 had logged 2000 more PA and better offensive numbers even with the general not greatness of Freeman's first 2 seasons.

[Nerfherders]

This is a sad day for me.

[thethe]

Because the back end rotation guys you are counting on have proven nothing. We aren't a developing team, we are champs.... I'm not gambling rotation spots with arms that have barely had any sustained success in MLB... that's just not smart. And you're way too comfortable with the very real health problems that our staff has exhibited.

I'm making a calculation that the team overall is good enough to make the playoffs after the obvious LF addition we are going to make.

I don't really care about adding a middle ot back end rotation spot to increase the regular season win total by 1-2.

[Carp]

How many more good years will Freddie need to make the HOF? Will 4 more mostly healthy years around career averages be enough?

[jpx7]

I was talking more as far as ceiling and historical performance. Freeman at 27 had logged 2000 more PA and better offensive numbers even with the general not greatness of Freeman's first 2 seasons.

Freeman's been building a borderline HoF career. Olson will likely not be able to boast that by the end of his career.

Nevertheless, I think Olson will be the more productive player from 2022 until the end of Freeman's career. And unfortunately that is what the Braves needed to prioritize.

[MadduxFanII]

A lot to take in with this one.

[chop2chip]

How many more good years will Freddie need to make the HOF? Will 4 more mostly healthy years around career averages be enough?

He doesn’t have the huge peak other HOF have, so his case will need to be made on sustained excellence. Four years at ~4 WAR will get him in the discussion (~60 WAR, ~ 400 home runs, ~2300 hits), but probably not lock status. I think he would need at least two more years of league average production on top of that to guarantee it.

[Germanbrave]

You have to hate it when a 10+year franchise player leaves...

[JxnMissFan]

I wonder if AA is more shaken by Freeman leaving or that he gave up 4 prospects to get a player? It's very much in character for AA not give out a long term high AAV deal. It's very out of character for AA to part with 4 prospects. Especially prospects with the potential to contribute.

I'm ok with what AA gave up. Pache and SL are most likely glove first players. They aren't the guys that can carry a team. Plus catcher seems to be one of the positions that can be efficiently addressed by bringing in free agent veterans. As all Braves fans know, the chance of minor league pitchers ever making it to the majors is a crap shoot. So no strong feelings from me when it comes to trading pitchers.

I think Freddie will go to a surprise team. I'm sure the Dodgers are only offering a 3 year deal. I hate to see Freddie go. I think he has 3 to 4 more good years in him but AA made the right call for the future of the Braves.

[zbhargrove]

You have to hate it when a 10+year franchise player leaves...

But you have to love it when the GM acquires a similar or possibly slightly better solution when it happens,

[msstate7]

Watch the Phillies or Mets get FF. I'd hate him in the division

[The Chosen One]

Watch the Phillies or Mets get FF. I'd hate him in the division

Well. FF tried to recruit Harper to ATL before.

maybe Harper brings him to PHI and they can be in perennial 3rd-4th place together and block October out of their schedules for boating and hunting.

[Russ2dollas]

Mets could take FF and move Alonso to DH. That would be Cohen move.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Watch the Phillies or Mets get FF. I'd hate him in the division

Dodgers, Yankees, Jays, and Rays according to Bowman, FWIW.

[The Chosen One]

Dodgers, Yankees, Jays, and Rays according to Bowman, FWIW.

Rays? Lol wtf is Bowman smoking.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/video/jim-bowden-joins-chris-hassel-to-discuss-the-breaking-news-that-the-braves-have-traded-for-1b-matt-olson-from-the-as/

[chop2chip]

Freddie to Toronto is absolute best case scenario.

[jpx7]

Lol wtf is Bowman smoking.

Lots and lots of brisket, I'd guess.

[zbhargrove]

Rays? Lol wtf is Bowman smoking.

Strangely there have been a few Freddie Rays rumors. It was even reported they offered him a contract before the lockout.

[The Chosen One]

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/video/jim-bowden-joins-chris-hassel-to-discuss-the-breaking-news-that-the-braves-have-traded-for-1b-matt-olson-from-the-as/

clicked link then x’d out before the video loaded when I saw Bowden’s name.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

clicked link then x’d out before the video loaded when I saw Bowden’s name.

He said we won the trade. Did you hear about Scott Hall?

[Heyward]

Hate to see Freddie most likely leave but Olson is incredible. Hoping we can get a long-term deal so it's not a 2 and done kinda deal. More interested what AA does with the extra savings now. Wasnt sure if AA would make a prospect trade like this, but here we are. Freeman will probably be a Dodger, but thats that.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Hate to see Freddie most likely leave but Olson is incredible. Hoping we can get a long-term deal so it's not a 2 and done kinda deal. More interested what AA does with the extra savings now. Wasnt sure if AA would make a prospect trade like this, but here we are. Freeman will probably be a Dodger, but thats that.

Do you prefer Rosario or Soler. Interested in your opinion on the matter.

[Enscheff]

There are a few ignorant narratives floating around..

Olson is not a notable downgrade from Freeman. In 11 full seasons, Freeman has posted 5+ fWAR exactly 3 times. He is projected for 4.5-5 fWAR next year. Freeman is a good player, but this notion that he's some irreplaceable superstar is pure nonsense. Olson is going into his age 28 season, and is projected for fWAR values just under Freeman's projections. He probably isn't going to run another 16.8% K rate, but even if it regresses a bit he should still be a ~4 fWAR player.

The Braves owners are not going to "pocket" the savings. Freeman will likely earn $30M in 2022, while Olson will earn roughly $12M. That difference will almost certainly be used to upgrade the OF, and fill a hole in the rotation. Doesn't everyone remember that Morton is coming back from a broken leg? And Fried has blister problems? And Soroka can't even walk? The rotation needs a legit #4, and this savings should allow it to happen.

This move is not for 2022. This move is for 2024 and beyond, when someone is going to be paying Freeman $30M during his age 35+ seasons. Guess what? There will be a good bat at 1B available in 2024 that doesn't require a 5-6 year commitment, and AA will get that guy at that time.

For the 547th time, and extension does not make a trade better. Paying market rate for a guy is not something that makes trade value any higher, or the trade any better.

The cost for Olson stings, and we should have been prepared for it. I was hoping it could happen without giving up Lango/Harris, but I suppose that was naïve.

[Heyward]

Do you prefer Rosario or Soler. Interested in your opinion on the matter.

Umm, probably Soler but him and Ozuna is a little redundant. If Acuna wont be ready until May, then an outfielder is imperative.

[The Chosen One]

There are a few ignorant narratives floating around..

Olson is not a notable downgrade from Freeman. In 11 full seasons, Freeman has posted 5+ fWAR exactly 3 times. He is projected for 4.5-5 fWAR next year. Freeman is a good player, but this notion that he's some irreplaceable superstar is pure nonsense. Olson is going into his age 28 season, and is projected for fWAR values just under Freeman's projections. He probably isn't going to run another 16.8% K rate, but even if it regresses a bit he should still be a ~4 fWAR player.

The Braves owners are not going to "pocket" the savings. Freeman will likely earn $30M in 2022, while Olson will earn roughly $12M. That difference will almost certainly be used to upgrade the OF, and fill a hole in the rotation. Doesn't everyone remember that Morton is coming back from a broken leg? And Fried has blister problems? And Soroka can't even walk? The rotation needs a legit #4, and this savings should allow it to happen.

This move is not for 2022. This move is for 2024 and beyond, when someone is going to be paying Freeman $30M during his age 35+ seasons. Guess what? There will be a good bat at 1B available in 2024 that doesn't require a 5-6 year commitment, and AA will get that guy at that time.

For the 547th time, and extension does not make a trade better. Paying market rate for a guy is not something that makes trade value any higher, or the trade any better.

The cost for Olson stings, and we should have been prepared for it. I was hoping it could happen without giving up Lango/Harris, but I suppose that was naïve.

Props for using ï

People who don't write Acuña make me sick.

[thewupk]

Umm, probably Soler but him and Ozuna is a little redundant. If Acuna wont be ready until May, then an outfielder is imperative.

It's Joctober baby

[CJ9]

It's Joctober baby

Kinda what I’m thinking. Need a lefty bat who can fake it in center. May as well bring him back.

[clvclv]

Props for using ï

People who don't write Acuña make me sick.

Some of us have keyboards that don't offer the option.

[Enscheff]

Some of us have keyboards that don't offer the option.

I'm not special. I just used spell check to fix it.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Umm, probably Soler but him and Ozuna is a little redundant. If Acuna wont be ready until May, then an outfielder is imperative.

I slightly lean Soler over Rosario as well.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Some of us have keyboards that don't offer the option.

Just copy and paste it off of my screen name. You don't even have to leave the forum to do it. My computer is old and sucks and it's my screen name.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Acuña - No special keyboard needed...

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

It's Joctober baby

I'd be fine with this as well. Can we get him for less than $10M that he declined?

[The Chosen One]

Some of us have keyboards that don't offer the option.

It doesn't matter if you're on a phone or computer... you simply hold the "i" button and the option for it will come. Same thing for ñ

[clvclv]

It's Joctober baby

Conforto for 4/$72 million and Pederson (or Rosario) for 2/$16 million (the last year in both deals as team options) would put payroll at just over $165 million. Leaves the mish-mash of Wright/Ynoa/Muller/Davidson/Strider/Elder as the #4/#5 rotation options.

Have to wonder if Alex could get both Rosario and Joc back on matching one year plus option deals to play the corners until Acuna's healthy the best route to take wouldn't be to bring both back and add Greinke for a year at $10 million.

[PawPawMaxwell]

tell me who are the starting OFers based on todays roster. Opening day please.

[The Chosen One]

tell me who are the starting OFers based on todays roster. Opening day please.

Would be Ozuna Heredia Duvall.


But it's pointless because AA will sign someone.

[CrimsonCowboy]

JP Morosi

The #BlueJays have had conversations with Freddie Freeman’s camp and conveyed serious interest as his free agent decision nears, sources confirm. Freeman is a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada and played for Canada at the ‘17 WBC.

[The Chosen One]

JP Morosi

The #BlueJays have had conversations with Freddie Freeman’s camp and conveyed serious interest as his free agent decision nears, sources confirm. Freeman is a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada and played for Canada at the ‘17 WBC.

Chelsea not gonna be a fan of the cold.

[Hudson2]

JP Morosi

The #BlueJays have had conversations with Freddie Freeman’s camp and conveyed serious interest as his free agent decision nears, sources confirm. Freeman is a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada and played for Canada at the ‘17 WBC.

I figured the Blue Jays would get involved. I hope he goes to the AL

[CrimsonCowboy]

Chelsea not gonna be a fan of the cold.

Unless her clothing line starts selling heavy coats and such

[Heyward]

I think he goes to LA. Interested to see the contract he signs, Dodgers usually dont go for long year deals. Would honestly be surprised if they offered 5 or 6 years.

[jpx7]

It's Joctober baby

That'll help the Braves be a little less RH-heavy, for sure.

[chop2chip]

Chelsea not gonna be a fan of the cold.

She’s going to spend exactly 5 minutes in Toronto during the winter.

[The Chosen One]

Joc needed for that swagger clutchness gene.

You see he spread it to Rosario and Soler last year in playoffs.

[PawPawMaxwell]

Would be Ozuna Heredia Duvall.


But it's pointless because AA will sign someone.

I know but Im amazed that most on here are happy with Ozuna and Duvall along with the possibility of Soler and Heredia in the lineup at the same time.

[The Chosen One]

Toronto fans show up opening week, and then only in playoff stretch mid-September and if they're in October.

Fred gonna have the whole stadium to himself for target practice.

[The Chosen One]

I know but Im amazed that most on here are happy with Ozuna and Duvall along with the possibility of Soler and Heredia in the lineup at the same time.

Acuña is good enough to DH.

He can't field, and I don't want him stealing bases much either.

[CJC]

OPTION 1:
2022 - Freeman 4.5-5.5 WAR - $30M
2023 - Freeman 4.0-5.0 WAR - $30M
2024 - Freeman 3.5-4.5 WAR - $30M
2025 - Freeman 3.0 WAR - $30M
2026 - Freeman 2.0 WAR - $30M
2027 - Freeman 1.5-2.0 WAR - $30M

That's an aggressive aging curve, no early retirement. It's not the worse case scenario obviously, but it's a bad projection for FF's value.

OPTION 2:
2022 - Olson 4.0-5.0 WAR - $12M
2023 - Olson 4.0-5.5 WAR - $20-2M
2024 - Reenter the 1B Market likely paying $35-40M for a 5 WAR hitter, or trying to get value, We really don't have an internal solution.

Basically we have traded 4 solid prospects for $18M payroll in 2022 and $8-10 in 2023.
We could've had Freeman at fair cost for 24-25 and an overpay in 26-27.
We trade that for uncertainty for 4 seasons now. Plus there will be additional acquisition cost for the 1B spot in 2024 unless Olson is extended.

KEYS to the deal -
1. Making GREAT use of the Payroll flexibility in 22 and 23. (re: two of Soler/Pederson/another good OF)
2. Extending Olson at less than $30M (will probably not happen if he puts up two 5 WAR seasons)
3. If Olson is not extended a FA 1B needs to come available at the right time. We already stripped the farm for Olson, we can't repeat that in 2 years. I know there might be 1 year options like the deals made to Donaldson/Ozuna/etc. AA can not miss on those signings like he did on the pitchers outside of Morton.

It's a tough move. End of the day, if Freddie was gone, then solid moves, but a real good argument can be made that just keeping him would be better overall.


There are a few ignorant narratives floating around..

Olson is not a notable downgrade from Freeman. In 11 full seasons, Freeman has posted 5+ fWAR exactly 3 times. He is projected for 4.5-5 fWAR next year. Freeman is a good player, but this notion that he's some irreplaceable superstar is pure nonsense. Olson is going into his age 28 season, and is projected for fWAR values just under Freeman's projections. He probably isn't going to run another 16.8% K rate, but even if it regresses a bit he should still be a ~4 fWAR player.

The Braves owners are not going to "pocket" the savings. Freeman will likely earn $30M in 2022, while Olson will earn roughly $12M. That difference will almost certainly be used to upgrade the OF, and fill a hole in the rotation. Doesn't everyone remember that Morton is coming back from a broken leg? And Fried has blister problems? And Soroka can't even walk? The rotation needs a legit #4, and this savings should allow it to happen.

This move is not for 2022. This move is for 2024 and beyond, when someone is going to be paying Freeman $30M during his age 35+ seasons. Guess what? There will be a good bat at 1B available in 2024 that doesn't require a 5-6 year commitment, and AA will get that guy at that time.

For the 547th time, and extension does not make a trade better. Paying market rate for a guy is not something that makes trade value any higher, or the trade any better.

The cost for Olson stings, and we should have been prepared for it. I was hoping it could happen without giving up Lango/Harris, but I suppose that was naïve.

[zitothebrave]

It doesn't matter if you're on a phone or computer... you simply hold the "i" button and the option for it will come. Same thing for ñ

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Damn didn't work

[PawPawMaxwell]

Acuña is good enough to DH.

He can't field, and I don't want him stealing bases much either.

Well that is my point again. I doubt they will risk him DHing and running the bases. May PH for awhile if they have enough roster to pinch run for him.

[The Chosen One]

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Damn didn't work

Racist

[Enscheff]

OPTION 1:
2022 - Freeman 4.5-5.5 WAR - $30M
2023 - Freeman 4.0-5.0 WAR - $30M
2024 - Freeman 3.5-4.5 WAR - $30M
2025 - Freeman 3.0 WAR - $30M
2026 - Freeman 2.0 WAR - $30M
2027 - Freeman 1.5-2.0 WAR - $30M

That's an aggressive aging curve, no early retirement. It's not the worse case scenario obviously, but it's a bad projection for FF's value.

OPTION 2:
2022 - Olson 4.0-5.0 WAR - $12M
2023 - Olson 4.0-5.5 WAR - $20-2M
2024 - Reenter the 1B Market likely paying $35-40M for a 5 WAR hitter, or trying to get value, We really don't have an internal solution.

Basically we have traded 4 solid prospects for $18M payroll in 2022 and $8-10 in 2023.
We could've had Freeman at fair cost for 24-25 and an overpay in 26-27.
We trade that for uncertainty for 4 seasons now. Plus there will be additional acquisition cost for the 1B spot in 2024 unless Olson is extended.

KEYS to the deal -
1. Making GREAT use of the Payroll flexibility in 22 and 23. (re: two of Soler/Pederson/another good OF)
2. Extending Olson at less than $30M (will probably not happen if he puts up two 5 WAR seasons)
3. If Olson is not extended a FA 1B needs to come available at the right time. We already stripped the farm for Olson, we can't repeat that in 2 years. I know there might be 1 year options like the deals made to Donaldson/Ozuna/etc. AA can not miss on those signings like he did on the pitchers outside of Morton.

It's a tough move. End of the day, if Freddie was gone, then solid moves, but a real good argument can be made that just keeping him would be better overall.

No, that aging curve isn't harsh at all...that's how 1B age. Literally all of them that aren't on PEDs.

The Braves don't need a 5 win guy at 1B...that's where this type of analysis falls apart. They need good players all over the roster, not just at 1B. There will always be a 2-3 win guy available for a short term deal at 1B every single off season. This year it's Rizzo.

Maybe the Braves develope a bat by 2024. Maybe Riley moves to 1B. Maybe another team needs to trade a 1B like the As just did.

The point is roster/payroll flexibility, which goes away when a team is paying a 37 year old 1B $30M to hopefully post 1 WAR.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Jeff Passan:

BREAKING: The Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement with All-Star first baseman Freddie Freeman on a six-year, $180 million deal, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN .

[Mad Dog Murph]

Jeff Passan:

BREAKING: The Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement with All-Star first baseman Freddie Freeman on a six-year, $180 million deal, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN .

Glad AA isn’t that dumb

[WaitingFor2017]

Jeff Passan:

BREAKING: The Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement with All-Star first baseman Freddie Freeman on a six-year, $180 million deal, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN .

I don't see that tweet from Passan.

[Mad Dog Murph]

I don't see that tweet from Passan.

Me neither. Fake news

[Heyward]

Jeff Passan:

BREAKING: The Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement with All-Star first baseman Freddie Freeman on a six-year, $180 million deal, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN .

I got Passan's notifications on, dont see this. You got played. I expect him to the Dodgers though. I'd be absolutely stunned if Dodgers give him 6 years.

[CrimsonCowboy]

I even looked to see if it was verified. Dang.

Sorry about that. Twitter is crap sometimes

[UNCBlue012]

It’s a fake account

[Hudson2]

I got Passan's notifications on, dont see this. You got played. I expect him to the Dodgers though. I'd be absolutely stunned if Dodgers give him 6 years.

Freeman’s gonna look dumb if he takes a 3 year deal when we offered 5 even if the AAV is high. At 35 he will be in decline big time.

[Heyward]

Freeman’s gonna look dumb if he takes a 3 year deal when we offered 5 even if the AAV is high. At 35 he will be in decline big time.

I think Dodgers do at most a 3+1 or a 4+1, i cant see Friedman guarantee 6 years.

[Hudson2]

I think Dodgers do at most a 3+1 or a 4+1, i cant see Friedman guarantee 6 years.

Me either. If they did 4 years at 35 per it would be what we offered over 5 years. But 35 per for Freeman is insane.

[Hudson2]

Greinke, Soler, and one of Joc/Rosario and be done. All realistic options but Greinke would be my 1st priority bc all the other FA options are blah.

[CrimsonCowboy]

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[The Chosen One]

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chip and Tommy are gonna be oozing in the booth.

[nsacpi]

It doesn't matter if you're on a phone or computer... you simply hold the "i" button and the option for it will come. Same thing for ñ

That's what I do whenever I have to type Anaïs

[drewdat]

It doesn't matter if you're on a phone or computer... you simply hold the "i" button and the option for it will come. Same thing for ñ

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[clvclv]

Greinke, Soler, and one of Joc/Rosario and be done. All realistic options but Greinke would be my 1st priority bc all the other FA options are blah.

Soler is going to get more money (and years) than Rosario and Pederson - he's likely not an option if Alex plans to add another SP.

I do think there's enough money in the budget to add both LH bats and Greinke or Pineda to the rotation. Probably the best route if Alex is going to spread the money around. Both Rosario and Joc can play much better defense than Soler, and will give you a LH bench bat once Acunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnna's healthy.

[The Chosen One]

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hmm. You must be on windows. Try holding alt and doing it.

I have a Mac, iPhone, and android and all I have to do is hold the letter for a second and the accented versions appear.

[Garmel]

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Like I said in another post Olson is going to love the porch in RF.

[clvclv]

hmm. You must be on windows. Try holding alt and doing it.

I have a Mac, iPhone, and android and all I have to do is hold the letter for a second and the accented versions appear.

He's in America now - my keyboard is American - his name is Acuna now.

[Heyward]

Was thinking how disgusting this lineup is.

Acuna
Ozzie
Olson
Ozuna
Riley
Soler ?
TDA/Duvall
TDA/Duvall
Swanson

[Garmel]

Was thinking how disgusting this lineup is.

Acuna
Ozzie
Olson
Ozuna
Riley
Soler ?
TDA/Duvall
TDA/Duvall
Swanson

I like it but against RH I would have Soler batting 2nd.

[clvclv]

Was thinking how disgusting this lineup is.

Acuna
Ozzie
Olson
Ozuna
Riley
Soler ?
TDA/Duvall
TDA/Duvall
Swanson

Like the one with the LH bats better...

SS- Dansby
3B- Riley
1B- Olson
2B- Albies
DH- Ozuna
LF- Rosario
CF- Duvall
RF- Pederson
C- d'Arnaud/Pina

Dansby drops to 8th with Acuna leading off when he's healthy with Pederson becoming the 4th OF and you never have to worry about Ozuna or Soler playing defense.

[drewdat]

hmm. You must be on windows. Try holding alt and doing it.

I have a Mac, iPhone, and android and all I have to do is hold the letter for a second and the accented versions appear.

No dice. I can find these ‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ though.

[buck75]

Cedric Mullins, are you coming home?

[bravesnumberone]

Cedric Mullins, are you coming home?

That would certainly help the CF void.

[msstate7]

Cedric Mullins, are you coming home?

Who would we trade for him? Don't see it

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Who would we trade for him? Don't see it
The rest of the farm! 😂

[Hulavol]

The rest of the farm! 😂

Who’s farm?

[CyYoung31]

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**** this guy…

Dude was long gone before AA got here. No idea what he’s so bitter about.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

It doesn't matter if you're on a phone or computer... you simply hold the "i" button and the option for it will come. Same thing for ñ

My special Acuña phone.

https://jordanrussiacenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/get-smart-shoe-phone.jpg

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

He's in America now - my keyboard is American - his name is Acuna now.

:ban

[goldfly]

Olson gonna be fun to watch at truist.

Thank you for your service Freddie. Hope y’all do well except when ya play against us.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Aside from being a top notch player, Olson is a top notch guy
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