GDT 6-5 CHARLIE !

[Hulavol]

1. R. Acuna (R) RF
2. Dansby Swanson (R) SS
3. Austin Riley (R) 3B
4. Matt Olson (L) 1B
5. T. d'Arnaud (R) C
6. W. Contreras (R) DH
7. Ozzie Albies (S) 2B
8. Adam Duvall (R) LF
9. Michael Harris II (L) CF

[Hudson2]

Are we gonna do city connect uniis this year?

[msstate7]

That's what Acuna needed to get going

[clvclv]

Are we gonna do city connect uniis this year?

Please God no.

The only ones I've seen that I even remotely like are the reverse pinstripe ones they came up with for the White Sox.

[Hudson2]

Please God no.

The only ones I've seen that I even remotely like are the reverse pinstripe ones they came up with for the White Sox.

I liked the Royals too

[msstate7]

Alright, now no running... I like running with dansby at plate though

[msstate7]

Wash is a problem at 3b. It worked out though

[msstate7]

Come on Olson

[jsebe10]

Wash is a problem at 3b. It worked out though

Was Wash really the issue on that play or are you afraid of being called a racist again?

[msstate7]

Was Wash really the issue on that play or are you afraid of being called a racist again?

I'm assuming wash sent him going by tv guys

[msstate7]

Need a couple more here

[UNCBlue012]

Damn, dude painted that fastball

[msstate7]

Atta boy, Ozzie

[UNCBlue012]

But Ozzie!

[thewupk]

38 pitches and 3 runs in the first. I'll take it.

[Hulavol]

Good inning right there boys!

[CyYoung31]

Swing the ****ing bat, Duvall.

[CyYoung31]

Morton sucks.

[thewupk]

how do you walk the leadoff guy?

[UNCBlue012]

Morton is so awful this season

[drewdat]

I think we're going to need more than 3

[Hudson2]

How has Morton just lost all command like this?

[Hudson2]

I wouldn’t mind bringing him back next year but not at 20 million. Musgrove would be a nice target.

[msstate7]

That ball really did look like it was rising

[thewupk]

Morton needs to go

[msstate7]

Why is ozuna wearing Duvall's uniform?

[UNCBlue012]

Such an idiot

[CyYoung31]

Ball was smoked, but wtf was Duvall doing?

[drewdat]

Gold Glove

[msstate7]

That ball was killed. It still shoulda been an out

[Hudson2]

Duval mis read that

[Enscheff]

I feel like duvall could have played that fly better

[msstate7]

I feel like duvall could have played that fly better

Esp when that's all he offers, defense

[WaitingFor2017]

Woof. Duvall is doing his best Ozuna impression out there today.

[thewupk]

lol we got clowns on the mound and in left

[Hudson2]

Well that nice lead is all gone.

[CyYoung31]

I guess Duvall decided he didn’t need to show up today after that home run last night.

[msstate7]

Duvall and Charlie took advantage of legal weed this morning

[Hudson2]

Damn Morton come on throw strikes

[USMA76]

Morton has worn out his usefulness to this team.

[The Chosen One]

Morton at least is still throwing upper mid-90's Why he can't figure this out idk.

[thewupk]

This is what it looks like when someone is pissing away a 20 million option

[msstate7]

When an old pitcher loses it, isn't it velocity? His velocity is fine, so I don't know what to make of this

[WaitingFor2017]

Yep. That club option should be an easy decision in the offseason even if Morton somehow rebounds decently this year. You can't give Morton 20 million next year. He's no Verlander.

[CyYoung31]

Morton at least is still throwing upper mid-90's Why he can't figure this out idk.

That’s what gives me hope that this is just a rough patch. It’s not like his stuff has deteriorated.

[msstate7]

Could recovery from the broken leg be playing havoc this his delivery?

[UNCBlue012]

I’m just not used to seeing Morton come to the ballpark nearly every game clearly unprepared and with no game plan. Gotta put in the prep, brother.

[UNCBlue012]

Could recovery from the broken leg be playing havoc this his delivery? truthfully, I think so

[drewdat]

wow struck out the side

[CyYoung31]

wow struck out the side

What an inning.

[thewupk]

This dude will shut us down for the next 5 innings

[msstate7]

This dude will shut us down for the next 5 innings

That was the old braves. The new braves (born on Wednesday) are gonna get this guy

[msstate7]

Good take

[msstate7]

Man, ump

[Hudson2]

3 run bomb Olson baby!

[msstate7]

Pretty good... FF woulda hit that over the tree though




Haha

[UNCBlue012]

OLY!

[Garmel]

AIDS!!!

[msstate7]

Good job, Olson

[USMA76]

Ok, so we're obviously going to be treated to another pitchers' duel.

[CyYoung31]

Ok, so we're obviously going to be treated to another pitchers' duel.

Yeah, a duel of which pitcher can suck the most.

[CyYoung31]

On pace for a six hour game.

[UNCBlue012]

This team is just totally different with Acuña at the top of the lineup. He’s clearly off his game right now but it doesn’t matter much because everything else falls into place

[msstate7]

Maybe Charlie got it figured out now

[thewupk]

those groundballs aren't gonna work up here

[Garmel]

1533546694847213574

[thewupk]

Morton giving up rockets

[buck75]

Brian said it got Charlie on da sholldah

[Hulavol]

Get this out!

[Hulavol]

Thank you Jobu…

[msstate7]

1533546694847213574

FF got a double, so he's ahead in ops right now. Hopefully FF smashes today, and then goes ice cold tomorrow. dodgers up 2-0

[USMA76]

Yeah, a duel of which pitcher can suck the most.

It's an acquired taste.

[CyYoung31]

You have to actually try.

[msstate7]

That felt like a big missed opportunity.

[USMA76]

Somebody woke Charlie up?

[msstate7]

Duvall has a HR, triple, and double in his last 4 PA. Maybe he's about to join the team

[zbhargrove]

I think Duvall has been activated. Here’s hoping one of his insane 20 game stretches is here

[zbhargrove]

It’s so much fun finally playing a defensive team worse than ours

[zbhargrove]

Brian Jordan: “Black made a bad decision here. Don’t know if he did his homework. Harris loves batting against lefties.”


No Brian you didn’t do yours. While he has done okay in a tiny sample at the MLB he was awful against lefties in the minors this year.

[MadduxFanII]

Kind of hard to see Harris generating much power with his swing as it exists now.

[buck75]

The curse of Paul Byrd on Charlie Morton.

[msstate7]

Come on guys... probably gonna need a couple more

[buck75]

Ronnie’s running in right.

[USMA76]

Flashes of pre-injury RAJ on a great defensive play to end the bottom of the sixth inning.

[clvclv]

Go Dodgers!

[msstate7]

How many hits will pache have in the 2-game series? I say at least 3

[MadduxFanII]

I wonder how many times a team has hit its starting catcher and back-up catcher back-to-back in the lineup.

[USMA76]

Contreras wearing an oh-fer today.

[zbhargrove]

Holy crap Ronnie killed that

[MadduxFanII]

At some point Acuna is going to break out a home run trot that takes five full minutes.

[CyYoung31]

We’ll be so much better when we get that baseball hating black man off the team.

[msstate7]

Acuna is funny as hell celebrating. That dude is gonna get plunked by every team his whole career

[UNCBlue012]

Ronnie is here!

[MadduxFanII]

I'm watching on the Rockies' TV network. Their announcers were getting themselves all worked up and ready to complain about the way Acuna admired the home run and flipped his bat, only for the color guy to say, "I guess if you can hit them like that you can do whatever you want and I'm OK with that."

[msstate7]

I'm watching on the Rockies' TV network. Their announcers were getting themselves all worked up and ready to complain about the way Acuna admired the home run and flipped his bat, only for the color guy to say, "I guess if you can hit them like that you can do whatever you want and I'm OK with that."

I like a superstar to be a villain of sorts. Harper is hated by every team. Soto seems like a huge punk. Only truly great players can generate that kinda hate.

[msstate7]

2-1 dodgers

[UNCBlue012]

Smith is a truly horrible pitcher

[msstate7]

Man, will looked great for a second, and then bam... come on will

[USMA76]

Having a four run lead going into the ninth is so overrated.
-- Will Smith

[msstate7]

Chip just talked it up

[mfree80]

I have no confidence in Will Smith

[UNCBlue012]

Yank him you stupid ass manager

[WaitingFor2017]

Snit, you awake?

[AJonesATL]

Just thankful we somehow went an entire post-season with a perfect Will Smith. Forever grateful

[chop2chip]

Will Smith has firmly entered the “situational lefty” stage of his career.

Can the Braves announce they have decline his option right now?

[chop2chip]

Just thankful we somehow went an entire post-season with a perfect Will Smith. Forever grateful

It’s absolutely unbelievable.

[msstate7]

It’s absolutely unbelievable.

It started mid-august. He was really good even with a high bb rate

[jpx7]

World Series Hero Will Smith, y’all.

[chop2chip]

At some point Acuna is going to break out a home run trot that takes five full minutes.
Bat flip the bat, Miggy Cabrera euro step, sword slash (of course), and finished with the silencer.

The team of Brian McCann employing someone that would make Carlos Gomes blush is quite the irony.

[WaitingFor2017]

Just got Chip Caray'd again.

[msstate7]

Ozzie just don't have the juice to get out like he did with last year's ball

[chop2chip]

Just got Chip Caray'd again.

If he says “fly ball, pretty well hit”, pretty sure it’s gonna be caught a foot in front of the warning track.

[WaitingFor2017]

Chip said Ozzie's ball was hurt by the wind. Even though Blackmon's went in to RF, it didn't seem like it was hurt at all.

[USMA76]

One run game, yay!

[msstate7]

See why I want strider back in the pen? I have no confidence in Jansen and smith. We need a late inning guy

[CyYoung31]

I said to myself earlier that a Sunday afternoon get away road game in Colorado is the perfect recipe for a heartbreaking loss. It never fails.

[USMA76]

I thought Jansen was supposed to be elite? I'm not even sure he qualifies as "serviceable."

[CyYoung31]

See why I want strider back in the pen? I have no confidence in Jansen and smith. We need a late inning guy

Kenley has a 1.96 FIP.

[CyYoung31]

Are we seriously ****ting on Kenley who has been great for most of this year because he gave up a solo HR? Is that what we’re doing Chop Country?

[msstate7]

Kenley has a 1.96 FIP.

Last 8 outings...
7.2. Ip 9 h 6 er 5 bb 12 k

Hopefully just a rough patch, but it is rough

[UNCBlue012]

I thought Jansen was supposed to be elite? I'm not even sure he qualifies as "serviceable." his peripherals are insanely good. Overreactions at their finest. Regardless of today’s outcome

[CyYoung31]

Last 8 outings...
7.2. Ip 9 h 6 er 5 bb 12 k

Hopefully just a rough patch, but it is rough

You just hate him because he’s black.

[USMA76]

Are we seriously ****ting on Kenley who has been great for most of this year because he gave up a solo HR? Is that what we’re doing Chop Country?

The reality is "what have you done lately" and his blown saves of late are a sore spot in everyone's mind (and as I type this he gives up a double off the right field wall).

[thewupk]

**** yeah Olson

[msstate7]

his peripherals are insanely good. Overreactions at their finest. Regardless of today’s outcome

Last 8 outings...
8.0 Ip 10 h 6 er 5 bb 12 k

[mfree80]

Olson saved Jansen there.

[CrimsonCowboy]

https://wompimages-azureedge-net.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/wompimages.azureedge.net/fetchimage?url=https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6806376192/h13D80AD0/gif-of-the-day-elephant-jumping-on-a-trampoline

[UNCBlue012]

Oly is elite

[msstate7]

Olson is really slow haha

[UNCBlue012]

Last 8 outings...
8.0 Ip 10 h 6 er 5 bb 12 k so many factors play into such a small sample size. Sheesh.

[CyYoung31]

That was awesome.

[CyYoung31]

Bud Black just wasting time with that challenge.

[TURBO]

https://media.giphy.com/media/vzuqin231fC92/giphy.gif

[WaitingFor2017]

5-2 road trip that should've been 6-1.

With the Athletics and Pirates coming in, shoot for a 5-1 homestand.

[msstate7]

Great road trip.
Olson and Riley rounding into form.
Duvall showing a little life
Just wanna see Morton step up, will smith not be trash, and Jansen get back to early season form.

[Hudson2]

Good play from Olson.

[chop2chip]

Not the most dominant 5 game win streak, but I’ll take it

[CyYoung31]

Olson saved Jansen there.

It was a routine ground ball.

[msstate7]

so many factors play into such a small sample size. Sheesh.

He's got 23 games total. That's 35% of his season. I'm not saying he's done, but to just completely say it isn't worrisome is dumb imo

[UNCBlue012]

He's got 23 games total. That's 35% of his season. I'm not saying he's done, but to just completely say it isn't worrisome is dumb imo why in the living hell would this be worrisome? https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/kenley-jansen-445276?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb

[USMA76]

It was a routine ground ball.

Dunno...from where I was sitting, it was pretty exciting [exhale].

[chop2chip]

He's got 23 games total. That's 35% of his season. I'm not saying he's done, but to just completely say it isn't worrisome is dumb imo
His 23 game sample is a 2.43 FIP.

[USMA76]

Switching now to the Mets-Dodgers. Mets have the tying run in scoring position with nobody out in the top of the eighth.

Edit: tie game runner still on second with nobody out. Dodgers were lucky Alonso's double didn't leave the yard.

[chop2chip]

There isn’t a more overhyped pitcher in baseball than Brusdar Graterol

[thewupk]

Fairly difficult to sweep a 4 game series in Coors.

[msstate7]

His 23 game sample is a 2.43 FIP.

Hey I want nothing more than him to succeed. Have you not been nervous when he's entered the game since the brewers' finale? He just hasn't been the same since snit used him 4 times in 5 days. We seem to be trying to correct that overuse since then when you see he was unavailable last night. Hopefully he's gonna be like he was early in the season again soon, but he's been shaky at best since May 18th

[msstate7]

Fairly difficult to sweep a 4 game series in Coors.

Outstanding. Little lucky probably winning 2 extra inning games, but the braves have lost like 97% or extra inning games the last 2 years, so I won't apologize

[chop2chip]

Hey I want nothing more than him to succeed. Have you not been nervous when he's entered the game since the brewers' finale? He just hasn't been the same since snit used him 4 times in 5 days. We seem to be trying to correct that overuse since then when you see he was unavailable last night. Hopefully he's gonna be like he was early in the season again soon, but he's been shaky at best since May 18th
Honestly, not really. He’s about as reliable as they come and he’s pitched great all year.

[jsebe10]

There isn’t a more overhyped pitcher in baseball than Brusdar Graterol

Dude you aren’t even lying….He’s living proof that throwing 100+ mph is absolutely meaningless if it’s as flat as snake nuts.

[CyYoung31]

Mets win yet?

[msstate7]

Mets win yet?

They're working on it

[USMA76]

Hey I want nothing more than him to succeed. Have you not been nervous when he's entered the game since the brewers' finale? He just hasn't been the same since snit used him 4 times in 5 days. We seem to be trying to correct that overuse since then when you see he was unavailable last night. Hopefully he's gonna be like he was early in the season again soon, but he's been shaky at best since May 18th

I just haven't felt comfortable with him in save situations for the past couple of weeks, either. I'd sure like to see a reappearance of the guy who was shutting opposing teams down for about the first five weeks of the season. As a previous poster alluded, Graterol was lame today.

FWIW Mets now lead Dodgers 3-2 in the top of the eighth.

[msstate7]

Showalter using Diaz in the 8th bc dodgers top 3 batting. They're gonna be hard to catch... they aren't dumb

[CyYoung31]

Showalter using Diaz in the 8th bc dodgers top 3 batting. They're gonna be hard to catch... they aren't dumb

That’s not a very Showalter move. Someone must be in his ear.

[thewupk]

Acuna slashing 313/408/475 - What a boss

[The Chosen One]

That’s not a very Showalter move. Someone must be in his ear.

Probably learned his lesson from Baltimore-Toronto game.

I've always liked Buck.

[Heyward]

Showalter using Diaz in the 8th bc dodgers top 3 batting. They're gonna be hard to catch... they aren't dumb

Just need to get into the WC mix, take your chances in a best of 3 from there. Only 2GB from the last WC spot, with 100+ games to go.

[USMA76]

Just need to get into the WC mix, take your chances in a best of 3 from there.

Screw that. We caught them last year and we didn't start until August. They're still the Mets.

[Heyward]

Screw that. We caught them last year and we didn't start until August. They're still the Mets.

they'll eventually get Scherzer and DeGrom back, they're alot better than last year even if they have been a little bit lucky. But we'll have to go on some insane run to catch them. Mets will eventually go on a cold spell, it's gonna come down to how we do vs them in the head to head games. Still got like 15 games left vs them.

[CyYoung31]

Screw that. We caught them last year and we didn't start until August. They're still the Mets.

They’re actually a good team this year, even if they have been a little lucky.

[USMA76]

They’re actually a good team this year, even if they have been a little lucky.

No argument from me and you can't ignore the boost they'll get when deGrom and Scherzer return. I want to see how they react when they face the inevitable adversity with which every team deals in the course of a 162 game season--especially under the unrelenting heat of the New York media.

[USMA76]

Solo home run to lead off the bottom of the ninth. Mets still lead 4-3.

[jpx7]

They’re actually a good team this year, even if they have been a little lucky.

Unlike last year, the Braves are actually a good team this year, even if they have been a little unlucky.

[USMA76]

Dodgers tie it with two outs in the bottom of the ninth.

[Garmel]

Dodgers just tied it.

[Heyward]

Unlike last year, the Braves are actually a good team this year, even if they have been a little unlucky.

Braves were good last year, just took them until like half the year to finally get going. I do agree this years roster is better than last years though.

[USMA76]

Dodgers just tied it.

...and it now goes to the 10th. Dodgers got off the mat now let's see if they can finish the comeback in extras.

[mfree80]

It was a routine ground ball.
Jansen was really slow to cover 1st.

[USMA76]

Misplay by Dodgers left fielder allows a run to score and the batter to take second. 5-4 Mets.

[jpx7]

Jansen is really slow.

Fixed.

[Heyward]

Kimbrel is toast.

[chop2chip]

Braves were good last year, just took them until like half the year to finally get going. I do agree this years roster is better than last years though.

Really depends what you think Morton, Ozzie, Ozuna, etc. are moving forward.

[msstate7]

Chopcountry, now is an acceptable time to pull for FF again

[USMA76]

Great play by Trae Turner keeps the Mets lead at one going into the bottom of the 10th.

Regardless of how it turns out, the NY/LA finale has been very entertaining.

[msstate7]

Betts has a .980 ops, damn

[msstate7]

Garbage AB, betts

[msstate7]

FF another garbage AB

[msstate7]

Come on turner

[chop2chip]

Might be a break for the Mets if this is catcher’s interference.

[WaitingFor2017]

Extra innings records:
Mets: 5-0
Dodgers: 0-4

[USMA76]

Well, at least we picked up two games over the four day series. Nails performance by the Mets rookie pitcher after Showalter had already burned Diaz and Lugo.

[msstate7]

Mets got another tough series now

[thewupk]

Step 1: Get .500
Step 2: Get WC spot...working on it now
Step 3: Catch Mets

[chop2chip]

Step 1: Get .500
Step 2: Get WC spot...working on it now
Step 3: Catch Mets

Step 2 is important. It’s going to drive what type of trade we make. Step 3 is great but ultimately not as important.

The competition for the last wild card spot isn’t tough.

[The Chosen One]

Step 2 is important. It’s going to drive what type of trade we make. Step 3 is great but ultimately not as important.

The competition for the last wild card spot isn’t tough.

We have a nice 4 year division streak going though... let's make it 5 straight. Dodger's lost their streak last year.

[chop2chip]

We have a nice 4 year division streak going though... let's make it 5 straight. Dodger's lost their streak last year.

True disciple of Bobby Cox

[msstate7]

We have a nice 4 year division streak going though... let's make it 5 straight. Dodger's lost their streak last year.

And the dodgers avenged it in the playoffs. If we lose division, I want us to send the Mets home

[CyYoung31]

Unlike last year, the Braves are actually a good team this year, even if they have been a little unlucky.

The Braves were a good team last year, just incredibly unlucky in the first half.

[The Chosen One]

The Braves were a good team last year, just incredibly unlucky in the first half.
We had a really good run differential but bad luck.

[Heyward]

Step 1: Get .500
Step 2: Get WC spot...working on it now
Step 3: Catch Mets

Not sure 3 is as important as 2. Just get in the WC, and take your chances in a best of 3.

[thewupk]

Not sure 3 is as important as 2. Just get in the WC, and take your chances in a best of 3.

Not as important but definitely a goal. No need to treat every game as a must win in Sept though if the wild card is all but secured. Going balls to the wall to catch the giants last year hurt the dodgers.

[thewupk]

Swanson just keeps playing well. Could very well be #1 in fWAR among SS with another strong week

[jpx7]

The Braves were a good team last year, just incredibly unlucky in the first half.

We had a really good run differential but bad luck.

The troll was too subtle. Mission failed successfully.

[msstate7]

Swanson just keeps playing well. Could very well be #1 in fWAR among SS with another strong week

Extension?

[Heyward]

Extension?

Depends if you think the difference with him and a guy like Xander, Trea if he hits FA, and Correa assuming he opts out is a major gap. Plus the kinda money Dansby would want as well.

[Heyward]

Not as important but definitely a goal. No need to treat every game as a must win in Sept though if the wild card is all but secured. Going balls to the wall to catch the giants last year hurt the dodgers.

I agree winning the division is a goal, but i'd focus on locking up a WC spot first. Try to cut the Mets lead to 5-5.5 by the end of the month. Still have alot of games left with them, so that'll obviously be the biggest tell sign if we can catch them or not. They are due a cold spell though like all teams go through over 162.

[WaitingFor2017]

Mets will miss Musgrove in San Diego. That’s too bad considering we drew Musgrove in both series.

[Hudson2]

Depends if you think the difference with him and a guy like Xander, Trea if he hits FA, and Correa assuming he opts out is a major gap. Plus the kinda money Dansby would want as well.

What do you think Dansby will command? I’ll take Turner over him all day but the Dodgers will bid big for him I’m sure. They could also use a 2b so I could see them going after Dansby and Trea.

[jpx7]

Extension?

If he wants to go Albies-style on it.

[bravesfanMatt]

Awesome to win 5 games in a row for the first time this season. Anyone know what our longest winning streak is this year?

[thewupk]

Awesome to win 5 games in a row for the first time this season. Anyone know what our longest winning streak is this year?

let me talk to my calculus professor to see if he can figure it out

[Nerfherders]

I can't believe we swept the Rockies in 4-games. That's insanely good, even if it was touch and go for most of the series. That team meeting really set this team on the right path. They are grinding AB's now, not giving up on them, and hitting the ball hard. The pitching was also pretty good all-in-all. The Rockies are bad, but they play over their heads at home. I feel like we slayed some demons here, since it wasn't that long ago the Braves lost 11 straight at Coors Field.

[thewupk]

Extension?

Depend what he's looking for. Since 2019 Swanson has played in 401 games and totaled 9.7 fWAR. That's 3.9 fWAR per 162 games.

I suspect that fWAR per 162 will be lower by the end of this season as I honestly don't suspect Swanson to play at this level (on pace for over 6 war this year) but I think he's proven easily that he's a 2-3 WAR SS right now. He will be 29 so you have to factor in how long you believe he will play this level. Would you pay him market level to stay? The Braves will have a big hole at SS with no real prospect to take his spot. Barring a trade the team will have to pay market value for a replacement.

[Hudson2]

Depend what he's looking for. Since 2019 Swanson has played in 401 games and totaled 9.7 fWAR. That's 3.9 fWAR per 162 games.

I suspect that fWAR per 162 will be lower by the end of this season as I honestly don't suspect Swanson to play at this level (on pace for over 6 war this year) but I think he's proven easily that he's a 2-3 WAR SS right now. He will be 29 so you have to factor in how long you believe he will play this level. Would you pay him market level to stay? The Braves will have a big hole at SS with no real prospect to take his spot. Barring a trade the team will have to pay market value for a replacement.

Yep. Not sure if Dansby would give a discount either. So with Boggarts, Trea Turner, and possibly Correa all FA if we are gonna upgrade the position this would be the time. We should have the money to sign any one of the 3 we want. Hitting Turner after Acuna would be a nightmare for other teams on the base paths.

[chop2chip]

Depend what he's looking for. Since 2019 Swanson has played in 401 games and totaled 9.7 fWAR. That's 3.9 fWAR per 162 games.

I suspect that fWAR per 162 will be lower by the end of this season as I honestly don't suspect Swanson to play at this level (on pace for over 6 war this year) but I think he's proven easily that he's a 2-3 WAR SS right now. He will be 29 so you have to factor in how long you believe he will play this level. Would you pay him market level to stay? The Braves will have a big hole at SS with no real prospect to take his spot. Barring a trade the team will have to pay market value for a replacement.

I think we spend on SS this winter (whether it’s Dansby or someone else).

Going to be hard to “upgrade” when we have received all star level production for a while.

[thewupk]

I think we spend on SS this winter (whether it’s Dansby or someone else).

Going to be hard to “upgrade” when we have received all star level production for a while.

True. It could be a big time SS market with Correa possibly opting out plus Turner and Bogaerts. All 3 are upgrades offensively but Swanson is the best defender of the bunch. Turner is my favorite of the bunch

[Hudson2]

True. It could be a big time SS market with Correa possibly opting out plus Turner and Bogaerts. All 3 are upgrades offensively but Swanson is the best defender of the bunch. Turner is my favorite of the bunch
Yeah Swanson can pick it for sure but defense goes first as you age. Once his range goes his value comes way down.

[chop2chip]

Yeah Swanson can pick it for sure but defense goes first as you age. Once his range goes his value comes way down.

The advantage with Swanson is he’s likely not going to require a contract length that takes him too deep into his aging years. I assume Correa only opts out if Boras is confident he can get him 6-8 years. Turner will definitely get the years.

[msstate7]

I read something other day (not sure where I even read it or how credible it is), but author said cubs would be after one or the big 3 SS big time

[Nerfherders]

Here's a couple tidbits from this series:

The Braves have never before swept the Rockies in four games at Coors field. The only 4-game sweep was in their first year, in 1993, where the Braves went 13-0 against the Rockies, but that was played at old Mile-High.

In fact, since I moved to Colorado in 2000, the Braves had never even WON a 4-game series at Coors. The series record stood at 0-4-5 in 4-game series, with the Braves being swept in 2015 and 2016 (part of the losing 11 straight). On the other hand, they have a pretty good record in 3-game series over that same time frame, sitting at 9-3, with 3 sweeps and one swept.

So given the history, it was quite a great accomplishment, especially given that I had to sit through many of those grating losses to mostly inferior Rockies teams.

Here's another interesting tidbit the Rockies announcers had yesterday. Games 2 and 3 were the first time in the modern era that a team (the Rockies) was held to less than 6 hits in back to back games AND both went to extra innings.

[Hudson2]

The advantage with Swanson is he’s likely not going to require a contract length that takes him too deep into his aging years. I assume Correa only opts out if Boras is confident he can get him 6-8 years. Turner will definitely get the years.

If we keep Swanson (which I’m fine with) then we need to get a big bat for LF.

[thewupk]

If we keep Swanson (which I’m fine with) then we need to get a big bat for LF.

we have Rosario for that

[msstate7]

A's throwing 2 lhp at us. Should be to our advantage, but one is making his debut, so you know how that goes for braves

[Enscheff]

If we keep Swanson (which I’m fine with) then we need to get a big bat for LF.

The problem is there's no real big bats for LF other than Judge (if the Yanks don't sign him I'd be shocked): https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/08/2022-23-mlb-free-agents.html

With Turner, Correa and Bogaerts heading the SS list with Swanson serving as a decent consolation prize, I think SS is the place to splurge.

Who will need a SS? Braves, LA, Cubs, and...? The Red Sox signed Story to replace Xander, and the Twins only got Correa because his market collapsed. So that's 3 teams for 3.5 star SS.

AA should probably wait for one of the top 3 guys to fall in his lap for a deal like Correa's Twins deal, and use Arcia as the backup plan. The risk is obviously going into 2023 with Arcia as the everyday guy, but that's the play if they want a bargain star SS.

[NYCBrave]

The problem is there's no real big bats for LF other than Judge (if the Yanks don't sign him I'd be shocked): https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/08/2022-23-mlb-free-agents.html

With Turner, Correa and Bogaerts heading the SS list with Swanson serving as a decent consolation prize, I think SS is the place to splurge.

Who will need a SS? Braves, LA, Cubs, and...? The Red Sox signed Story to replace Xander, and the Twins only got Correa because his market collapsed. So that's 3 teams for 3.5 star SS.

AA should probably wait for one of the top 3 guys to fall in his lap for a deal like Correa's Twins deal, and use Arcia as the backup plan. The risk is obviously going into 2023 with Arcia as the everyday guy, but that's the play if they want a bargain star SS.

I still don't see any way the Braves are among the highest bidders for the top free agents. History shows that they never are. Even if payroll gets another bump, I do wonder anyway how a high priced signing like one of those would limit us in the future as far as retaining our core.

There was a recent article that said the Phillies would be in on one of the big 3 shortstops as well, in addition to the Cubs.

[chop2chip]

I still don't see any way the Braves are among the highest bidders for the top free agents. History shows that they never are. Even if payroll gets another bump, I do wonder anyway how a high priced signing like one of those would limit us in the future as far as retaining our core.

There was a recent article that said the Phillies would be in on one of the big 3 shortstops as well, in addition to the Cubs.

How much of the Braves core needs to be locked up? Riley and Fried (ymmv). Wright and Contreras will be cheap for the next few seasons.

The Braves have quite a few bad veteran contracts that will be coming off the books the next few seasons (Smith, Duvall, Morton.. Rosario the year after.. Ozuna the year after that). How well AA replaces them with free agents will dictate what we will be able to do complementing the core of Acuna, Riley, and… sigh.. Ozzie.

[chop2chip]

I still don't see any way the Braves are among the highest bidders for the top free agents. History shows that they never are. Even if payroll gets another bump, I do wonder anyway how a high priced signing like one of those would limit us in the future as far as retaining our core.

There was a recent article that said the Phillies would be in on one of the big 3 shortstops as well, in addition to the Cubs.

I’m not convinced the Phillies don’t blow it up this winter.

[Hudson2]

The problem is there's no real big bats for LF other than Judge (if the Yanks don't sign him I'd be shocked): https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/08/2022-23-mlb-free-agents.html

With Turner, Correa and Bogaerts heading the SS list with Swanson serving as a decent consolation prize, I think SS is the place to splurge.

Who will need a SS? Braves, LA, Cubs, and...? The Red Sox signed Story to replace Xander, and the Twins only got Correa because his market collapsed. So that's 3 teams for 3.5 star SS.

AA should probably wait for one of the top 3 guys to fall in his lap for a deal like Correa's Twins deal, and use Arcia as the backup plan. The risk is obviously going into 2023 with Arcia as the everyday guy, but that's the play if they want a bargain star SS.

Yeah Judge is pretty much it and with our farm so thin SS is where we have to spend. The Dodgers will probably bring back Turner so that’d leave Boggarts and Correa and Correa is a couple of years younger. Whichever one takes the shorter year deal so the one I’d go with.

[Hudson2]

I’m not convinced the Phillies don’t blow it up this winter.

I’d snatch Harper up in a minute but they wouldn’t trade him here I’m sure and nobody is giving up significant pieces unless they ate salary. I could see Acuna and Harper butting heads for some reason.

[NYCBrave]

How much of the Braves core needs to be locked up? Riley and Fried (ymmv). Wright and Contreras will be cheap for the next few seasons.

The Braves have quite a few bad veteran contracts that will be coming off the books the next few seasons (Smith, Duvall, Morton.. Rosario the year after.. Ozuna the year after that). How well AA replaces them with free agents will dictate what we will be able to do complementing the core of Acuna, Riley, and… sigh.. Ozzie.

You make a very fair point. I guess also if Harris sticks and if Contreras is legit are both determining factors. But in the coming years, we will need essentially a full bullpen, at least 1 OF, a DH, multiple legit SP's (especially if we don't keep Fried), and eventually a 3B if we don't keep Riley. Not sure how much of that we can fill from within the organization and keep getting cheap production.

[NYCBrave]

I’m not convinced the Phillies don’t blow it up this winter.

I dunno, the ownership since they've taken over haven't show any appetite for a rebuild. They seem to want to just keep throwing "stupid money" at their holes, and not look in the mirror and understand ow poorly the organization is being run (especially development).

[Enscheff]

You make a very fair point. I guess also if Harris sticks and if Contreras is legit are both determining factors. But in the coming years, we will need essentially a full bullpen, at least 1 OF, a DH, multiple legit SP's (especially if we don't keep Fried), and eventually a 3B if we don't keep Riley. Not sure how much of that we can fill from within the organization and keep getting cheap production.

The answer is probably none. We can already see the point the window of contention will close on this Braves core. This organization simply isn't on the level of organizations like the Rays, As, Astros and Dodgers at consistently churning out impact players. They got their core from the rebuild, and haven't done much since.

The trick for AA will be to know when it's time to blow it up and start a 2-3 year rebuild rather than dragging it out and forcing a 5+ year rebuild. I always link that timeframe to right when Fried hits FA after the 2024 season. At that point the core will be aging, expensive, and AA won't have the resources to continue plugging the holes. They will have 4 years of Acuna and 3 years of Albies that could immediately build a new core for 5+ years of contention.

However, that changes if Harris becomes Adam Eaton, Contreras becomes a 4 win catcher, and Wright becomes Wainwright. At that point they ride out the Acuna deal, and look to rebuild somewhere around 2027.

[jpx7]

keep throwing "stupid money" at their holes, and not look in the mirror

Title of your sex tape.

[CyYoung31]

Forgot to post this Sunday.

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