GDT: July 10th, 2013 - Braves @ Marlins - Chris hitting 5th - Pastor SS

[weso1]

Don't really like to hear that Terdo thinks he needs to swing at every strike.

[jpx7]

Look at it another way. If we would have brought in a player like that and they didn't perform they are easily replaceable. We'd also be able to use the $75 million we used on Upton elsewhere.

What inexpensive free-agents were out on the market this past winter that fit this idyllic profile? Because Span and Revere both cost assets despite (and because of) their lower salaries.

[The Chosen One]

Wes my PM box has space now.

[yeezus]

Well I simply fundamentally disagree regarding the significance of this prototypical leadoff hitter. The team needs productive hitters; it needs the players they've promoted, signed, or otherwise acquired to hit to the levels of their capabilities. Acquiring unproductive players like Span or (to a lesser extent) Revere, and giving them the greatest proportion of team PA, just because they're Official Leadoff-Style Hitters is unproductive.

could not have said it better myself

[AUTiger7222]

Don't really like to hear that Terdo thinks he needs to swing at every strike.

He's never been a pinch-hitter before. He's probably far too anxious since he's only getting 1 at-bat every few days when he's used to starting. It's one of the reasons Bobby didn't like to bring up a kid and then let him rot away on the bench. He immediately gave him a start to try to get rid of those butterflies. I don't know what Joey T has to do to get a start.

[ChapelHillMatt]

Don't really like to hear that Terdo thinks he needs to swing at every strike.

I don't like young players brought up to pinch hit. He needs everyday AB's

[AUTiger7222]

Because we already had Dan Uggla, that's why. One of those type of hitters are fine, not more than that. He's just not a good fit for this team and never was. Also once you give him all that money you are stuck with him and limit your option to improve if it doesn't work out. And let's be honest there was a very good chance it wasn't going to work out. You said earlier players that don't walk and strikeout a lot aren't good hitters......well what does that make BJ?

BJ actually walks at a decent clip.

2007 - 65 walks
2008 - 97 walks
2009 - 57 walks
2010 - 67 walks
2011 - 71 walks
2012 - 45 walks (lowest of his career in a full season)
2013 - 33 walks (on pace to have 60 something walks)

[stpeteirish]

the good news is since there's only 4 more games till the break we might not see maholm again for a while.If he's the fifth man out of the break that's almost two weeks. They could possibly get Beachy back by then and relegate Maholm to ... whatever.

[jpx7]

This current infield alignment can't be great for Ayala's anxiety disorder.

[jason27nc]

I don't like young players brought up to pinch hit. He needs everyday AB's

I would put him in left and move Justin to right and let Jason play center field for a few days.

[weso1]

I don't like young players brought up to pinch hit. He needs everyday AB's

I agree with that... He should have had at least one start already.

[AUTiger7222]

And Simmons is very capable of being that man. He just needs to stop swinging at everything as hard as he can.

I agree.

[stpeteirish]

CJ 's hitting but he's a butcher at 3b.

[AUTiger7222]

I would put him in left and move Justin to right and let Jason play center field for a few days.

Exactly.

[Julio3000]

This current infield alignment can't be great for Ayala's anxiety disorder.

Nice. Call it immersion therapy.

[jason27nc]

He knew how sorry our CF is so he went to 2nd easy.
There is no way anyone should be able to get a double on a ground ball hit up the middle to the CF.

[jpx7]

Nice. Call it immersion therapy.

More like E-mersion therapy.

[ChapelHillMatt]

How about putting Heyward in CF and Gattis in LF when he gets back?

[Julio3000]

Many are Qualled, but few are chosen.

[thethe]

How about putting Heyward in CF and Gattis in LF when he gets back?

Thats going to happen a lot I suspect.

[Julio3000]

Quall me maybe

[stpeteirish]

Thats going to happen a lot I suspect.

It certainly didn't happen much before Gattis got hurt, maybe twice? I'm afraid Gattis is going to play about as much as Laird does now.

[jpx7]

Many are Qualled, but few are chosen.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111128042033/timanderic/images/5/50/Screen_shot_2011-11-27_at_10.17.02_PM.png

[AUTiger7222]

I don't recall Justin ever cursing like that before.

[jsebe10]

How does this offense just go dormant like this?!?!

[ChapelHillMatt]

I don't recall Justin ever cursing like that before.

He lacks passion for the game.

[The Chosen One]

Julio on pace for an unheard of 3:1 Thanks to Thanked Post ratio. Need to figure out what is UBR (Ultimate Board Rating) is.


#MAKEUP #SABERMETRICS

[stpeteirish]

The Uptons looked as good last night as they look bad today. Top of the order couldn't hit the ball past the pitcher vs the great Chad Qualls.

[jason27nc]

Anyone else seen this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/braves-giants-phillies-among-possible-trading-partners-york-175600823.html

[Dalyn]

How does this offense just go dormant like this?!?!

It is downright offensive.

[Dalyn]

Anyone else seen this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/braves-giants-phillies-among-possible-trading-partners-york-175600823.html

I can't stand Joba.

[Grayson Dawg]

Two main reason:
1-too many outs in the lineup especially with runners on. Pitchers work to those spots to get out of jams
2-too many free swingers in the lineup. Like Chipper said it seems like we have too many hitters trying to hit over the wall instead of through it.

How does this offense just go dormant like this?!?!

[The Chosen One]

It is downright offensive.
:icwudt:

[The Chosen One]

We're so spoiled. I feel like Simmons gets that ball.

[jpx7]

Anyone else seen this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/braves-giants-phillies-among-possible-trading-partners-york-175600823.html

The New York Daily News has written that the Phillies might be willing to park ways with Michael Young or Carlos Ruiz.

Wow: better jump on two top-notch pieces like that.

[The Chosen One]

The New York Daily News has written that the Phillies might be willing to park ways with Michael Young or Carlos Ruiz.

Wow: better jump on two top-notch pieces like that.

We should get Ruiz to be 3rd catcher just to piss off Laird even more.

[bravesnumberone]

Hell, I'd take Ruiz just to keep him from destroying us.


We should get Ruiz to be 3rd catcher just to piss off Laird even more.

[Dalyn]

The New York Daily News has written that the Phillies might be willing to park ways with Michael Young or Carlos Ruiz.

Wow: better jump on two top-notch pieces like that.

An orgy of ministration.

[Dalyn]

Looking good, Varvaro.

"Now throw some of that junk over the plate."

[The Chosen One]

Welp. Time to pack up for my trip to Atlanta the next two days.

[Braves1976]

Ballgame. Oh well, see ya boys.

[bravesnumberone]

Fail Varvaro.

[AUTiger7222]

Oh well. Can't win them all. At least the Braves won the series.

[thethe]

Just keep winning series and we will be fine. Too bad we aren't going to get anything for Maholm...he really spit the bit lately.

[Dalyn]

Fredi fell asleep again, I suppose. Or is listening to the Dead Milkmen too loud. "Ah ah ah, takin' retards to the game. Ah ah ah, takin' retards to the game."

[jpx7]

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[DaneHill]

Freddie striking out a lot since being named on the Vote Him In ballot

[jason27nc]

Upton's hitting a grand-slam, and Laird is following that up with the game-winning homerun.
You do know the Marlins would get another at bat right?

[Dalyn]

Another hit for Chris. At some point, he needs to bat at the top.

[The Chosen One]

You do know the Marlins would get another at bat right?

It could still be considered the Go-Ahead/GW run.

It wouldn't be the WALK OFF run.

[Grayson Dawg]

True, but with a chance to sweep the Marlins did not like the lack of passion and execution by the Braves. Just a walk in the park attitude IMO. Go for blood........manager's atittude rubbing off on them.

I'm sure he is a very nice man, but man I can't stand Fredi as a manager. He just really irks me the way handles things.
Oh well. Can't win them all. At least the Braves won the series.

[The Chosen One]

BABIP man with another successful BABIP

[jpx7]

You do know the Marlins would get another at bat right?

I didn't write "walk-off."

[Dalyn]

That was NOT a strike.

[jason27nc]

It could still be considered the Go-Ahead/GW run.

It wouldn't be the WALK OFF run.
True

[AUTiger7222]

The Braves can drop some F-bombs on you if you're not careful.

[The Chosen One]

The Braves can drop some F-bombs on you if you're not careful.

The only "offensive" category where Uggla and BJ lead the team.

[Dalyn]

McCann doesn't hit for Laird with two outs. Silly.

[jason27nc]

Who said Bj couldn't hit. He, like Simmons just needs to stop trying to hit home runs.

[DaneHill]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg319/dane323/dawson-crying2_zpsdbb458d4.jpeg

[AUTiger7222]

True, but with a chance to sweep the Marlins did not like the lack of passion and execution by the Braves. Just a walk in the park attitude IMO. Go for blood........manager's atittude rubbing off on them.

I'm sure he is a very nice man, but man I can't stand Fredi as a manager. He just really irks me the way handles things.

I agree. But I believe that goes back to Bobby Cox. I hate hearing how every game is "just another game."

[sentenza]

Ok, bunt for the 4 runs we need! :confused:

[AUTiger7222]

McCann doesn't hit for Laird with two outs. Silly.

If it had been the tying run then yeah. But there you're hoping Laird gets on so you can hit McCann next as the potential tying run.

[Dalyn]

Ok, bunt for the 4 runs we need! :confused:

Offensive play of the game.

[bravesnumberone]

Would have liked to get the sweep there. Need to take three of four from the Reds this weekend.

[Dalyn]

If it had been the tying run then yeah. But there you're hoping Laird gets on so you can hit McCann next as the potential tying run.

You take the higher percentage of getting another at-bat. Laird is not it.

[Julio3000]

Julio on pace for an unheard of 3:1 Thanks to Thanked Post ratio. Need to figure out what is UBR (Ultimate Board Rating) is.


#MAKEUP #SABERMETRICS

Imagine what I could do if I truly loved posting.

[The Chosen One]

Can't stop'em. Can only hope for containment.

[Julio3000]

Julio on pace for an unheard of 3:1 Thanks to Thanked Post ratio. Need to figure out what is UBR (Ultimate Board Rating) is.


#MAKEUP #SABERMETRICS

Cool. Off to a good start. Now I'm going to suck for a couple of months.

—Justin3000

[BoneThrower]

Is this where we just tip our cap to Miami? :tchop:

[The Chosen One]

You've just committed your biggest faux pas ever.

Quoting the same post two posts in a row.

[Grayson Dawg]

To me the difference between Fredi and Bobby is Bobby wanted to win every game, but if he didn't he took it in stride. Fredi seems to hope to win every game. No fire, no passion, no sense of urgency at any time of a game. If they lose he feels the other team won the game not that the Braves lost it. Don't know if that makes sense.
I agree. But I believe that goes back to Bobby Cox. I hate hearing how every game is "just another game."

[jason27nc]

Is this where we just tip our cap to Miami? :tchop:

No, Fredi did not manage that game to win. From the start it was just another game and if we lose, so be it. Not playing Simmons and Mac in the same game is more less asking for a loss, especially with Paul pitching.

[The Chosen One]

Fredi needs to take a page out of Bobby's book and start getting ejected.

He should've chewed out the umpire for letting him keep Maholm out there and the umpire not throwing out Maholm for sucking.

[Julio3000]

You've just committed your biggest faux pas ever.

Quoting the same post two posts in a row.

Let the decline begin.

[sentenza]

You've just committed your biggest faux pas ever.

Quoting the same post two posts in a row.


I just reported his post!
Please ban him now! That's a No-Go!!! :cooter:

[Dalyn]

Let the decline begin.


A paternity test should clear that right up.

[The Chosen One]

Today's Game Thread Statistics:

15% Quality Qualls Puns
45% Prototypical Leadoff Hitter Debate
30% Maholm Bashing
5% Fredi Bashing
5% Giving Thanks/Non-Baseball Related Items

[yeezus]

Today's Game Thread Statistics:

15% Quality Qualls Puns
45% Prototypical Leadoff Hitter Debate
30% Maholm Bashing
5% Fredi Bashing
5% Giving Thanks/Non-Baseball Related Items

i think what this tells us we need some posts to have more diversity. for example, don't post and complain JUST about fredi, throw in a maholm complaint as well. these two complaints should be taking up roughly 60% of these threads.

[jpx7]

To me the difference between Fredi and Bobby is Bobby wanted to win every game, but if he didn't he took it in stride. Fredi seems to hope to win every game. No fire, no passion, no sense of urgency at any time of a game. If they lose he feels the other team won the game not that the Braves lost it. Don't know if that makes sense.

I have doubts if Fredi even loves baseball.

[nsacpi]

The team needs Bobby Valentine.

[Julio3000]

Today's Game Thread Statistics:

15% Quality Qualls Puns
45% Prototypical Leadoff Hitter Debate
30% Maholm Bashing
5% Fredi Bashing
5% Giving Thanks/Non-Baseball Related Items

You take your calculator to the game, stat boy?

[jpx7]

(I don't doubt that Fredi loves multi-bunt games.)

[Julio3000]

The team needs Bobby Valentine.

Also gonorrhea.

[BRule]

Today's Game Thread Statistics:

15% Quality Qualls Puns
45% Prototypical Leadoff Hitter Debate
30% Maholm Bashing
5% Fredi Bashing
5% Giving Thanks/Non-Baseball Related Items

NEEDS MOAR FREDI BASHING

[jpx7]

Also gonorrhea.

Btw: from the Attic Greek for "gonad-flow" — which I believe was actually Valentine's nickname when he managed in Japan.

[yeezus]

NEEDS MOAR FREDI BASHING

seriously, 5%? what is that bull?

[BRule]

seriously, 5%? what is that bull?

SAV is feeling generous because Murray won Wimbleton

[yeezus]

SAV is feeling generous because Murray won Wimbleton

well i couldn't care less about murray so where's that put me

[Dalyn]

well i couldn't care less about murray so where's that put me

Somehow simultaneously south and north of nuts.

[Mrs. Meta]

Also gonorrhea.

Clap on, clap off!

[The Chosen One]

I have doubts if Fredi even loves baseball.

+1 Rep & +1 Thanks

[The Chosen One]

Who called the bunt?

Fredi or Laird... or both?... or Fredi went up to bat while Laird was on the bench...?

[The Chosen One]

I will say kudos to all of you. I haven't had this much fun in gamethreads since the days of SVOD Vinny Castilla. The board would erupt whenever the Vinster would hit a homerun. I've had more fun in a losing gamethread today, than the last few years on Scout combined.

[BRule]

SVOD.....those were the days.

[Julio3000]

Btw: from the Attic Greek for "gonad-flow" — which I believe was actually Valentine's nickname when he managed in Japan.

They told him it meant "respected elder."

[stpeteirish]

I will say kudos to all of you. I haven't had this much fun in gamethreads since the days of SVOD Vinny Castilla. The board would erupt whenever the Vinster would hit a homerun. I've had more fun in a losing gamethread today, than the last few years on Scout combined.

wow, and here I was thinking that Frenchy was the original SVOD

[jpx7]

They told him it meant "respected elder."

Who are we to say it doesn't?

[jpx7]

SVOD Vinny Castilla

Props to MFII for that sobriquet.

[The Chosen One]

Props to MFII for that sobriquet.

Sent a message to mf2 on Facebook. He should be joining us shortly

[Runnin]

CJ needs more plate appearances. He'd be 2nd only to Molina if he qualified. The way he's hitting he deserves a shot at it. He's having a career year at the plate anyway.

[AUTiger7222]

You take the higher percentage of getting another at-bat. Laird is not it.

I understand that. Say you used McCann instead of Laird and McCann reaches, who do you bat next in the pitcher's spot? Reed Johnson and Paul Janish are the only 2 guys let on the bench. Reed would have to be the pinch-hitter. We know he's not getting a homerun. We can only hope he gets a hit to keep the train moving. Then you're left with the next hitter being Rev. What are the chances of Rev getting a hit to keep the train moving and giving Heyward a chance to do some real damage? So I didn't necessarily have an issue with Fredi not hitting McCann in place of Laird. It was a different situation than that other game that he didn't hit McCann for Laird when McCann would have had the chance to change the outcome of the game with 1 swing.

[Dalyn]

I understand that. Say you used McCann instead of Laird and McCann reaches, who do you bat next in the pitcher's spot? Reed Johnson and Paul Janish are the only 2 guys let on the bench. Reed would have to be the pinch-hitter. We know he's not getting a homerun. We can only hope he gets a hit to keep the train moving. Then you're left with the next hitter being Rev. What are the chances of Rev getting a hit to keep the train moving and giving Heyward a chance to do some real damage? So I didn't necessarily have an issue with Fredi not hitting McCann in place of Laird. It was a different situation than that other game that he didn't hit McCann for Laird when McCann would have had the chance to change the outcome of the game with 1 swing.


Hit Reed for Laird and McCann next. Either way works. The important thing is replacing Laird.

[AUTiger7222]

Hit Reed for Laird and McCann next. Either way works. The important thing is replacing Laird.

I personally have more faith in Laird getting on base than I Reed Johnson. Laird has really surprised me with the bat.

[NinersSBChamps]

Reed Johnson has been a pretty solid pinch hitter. It's not flashy, but we do have some pretty quality bench players and even better when Gattis comes back. I'd put our bench down as one of the best in the league.

[50PoundHead]

Again Bourn only got a good cheap deal because he didn't sign until February because his asking price was outrageous. The Braves would have paid him what the Indians did but they couldn't wait until February to know one way or the other.

I agree on Bourn. My problem is that Upton's asking price was equally outrageous and we bit.

[AUTiger7222]

I agree on Bourn. My problem is that Upton's asking price was equally outrageous and we bit.

According to the reports I heard the Braves badly overpaid on BJ because they thought the Nationals and Phillies were really going hard after him.