GDT #8 4/9/'14 Braves(Santana) vs Mets(Wheeler) No BJ Simmons batting 2nd.

[TURBO]

Braves lineup:
1 Heyward RF
2 Simmons SS
3. Freeman 1B
4. Johnson 3B
5. J Upton LF
6. Uggla 2B
7. Gattis C
8. Schafer CF
9. Santana P

[The Chosen One]

WHAT ARE YOU DOINGGG. NYCBRAVE ALREADYYY COMMITTEDDDDD

[Tapate50]

Beej leads the league with 13 Ks in 29 ABs.


















I KNOW I KNOW its only been 7 games.....:icon_biggrin:

[The Chosen One]

Uh Oh. BJ benched already.

[TURBO]

WHAT ARE YOU DOINGGG. NYCBRAVE ALREADYYY COMMITTEDDDDD


Yeah Didnt see other thread until too late. Feel free to delete :cooter:

[NinersSBChamps]

Schafer!!!!

Turbo versus NYC....

[NYCBrave]

WHAT ARE YOU DOINGGG. NYCBRAVE ALREADYYY COMMITTEDDDDD

Haha, it's not a big deal to me, I'll get the next one

[NYCBrave]

Yeah Didnt see other thread until too late. Feel free to delete :cooter:

No need to delete, we're all here for a common cause lol

[nsacpi]

Even if BJ was not doing so badly, it would make sense to give Schafer about one start a week against righties. If BJ's slump continues I would gradually increase Schafer's playing time. I do wish Schafer was hitting a little higher in the lineup. With his base stealing ability it is a little bit of a waste to have pitchers bunt him over.

[Dalyn]

This is why I didn't want Schafer on the team. The guy is worse than BJ at the plate.

[Dalyn]

Even if BJ was not doing so badly, it would make sense to give Schafer about one start a week against righties. If BJ's slump continues I would gradually increase Schafer's playing time. I do wish Schafer was hitting a little higher in the lineup. With his base stealing ability it is a little bit of a waste to have pitchers bunt him over.

He doesn't get on base enough for that to matter.

[sturg33]

This is why I didn't want Schafer on the team. The guy is worse than BJ at the plate.

Sadly, he's not

[Dalyn]

Sadly, he's not

I disagree, but they both suck, so it is splitting lice-ridden pubic hairs.

[NinersSBChamps]

Don't worry folks. I will be around about 1.5 hours into the game. Class ends at 645. Gonna dvr this and hopefully catch up to live action.

[Dalyn]

Don't worry folks. I will be around about 1.5 hours into the game. Class ends at 645. Gonna dvr this and hopefully catch up to live action.

Thanks. I was so worried. :icwudt:

[Dalyn]

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[NinersSBChamps]

Thanks. I was so worried. :icwudt:
Give me your number. I will shoot you a text so you know I made it home alright. Y:cooter:

[Dalyn]

Give me your number. I will shoot you a text so you know I made it home alright. Y:cooter:

:flirty:

[Dalyn]

Uggla has on his game face. Or is that his OOOOOHHHHH face?

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[bravesnumberone]

This offense vs. Wheeler. Fun stuff.

[thethe]

Uggla has on his game face. Or is that his OOOOOHHHHH face?

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You know what I'm talking about.

[Dalyn]

Predictions for tonight:

Heyward 0-4 Rapes some worms on the way to second.

Simmons 0-3 BB, 3-15 great plays on defense.

Freeman 2-2 2 BB, 0 RBI

Johnson 1-3 BB, 2-run HR

Upton 1-3 BB, Double

Uggla 0-2 2 Ks, 2 BB

Gattis 0-4 4 Ks

Schafer 0-4 4 Ks

Santana 2-4 2 singles, 6 IP, 2 runs allowed, 9 Ks

Fredi 1-10 on decisions, an out call at first is overturned on one of Santana's bloops to right.

[jpx7]

Predictions for tonight:

Every player hits for the quintuple super-saiyan-ultra-mega-cycle.

[Dalyn]

Every player hits for the quintuple super-saiyan-ultra-mega-cycle.

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[bravesnumberone]

I predict Heyward strikes out at least once, and all he has to do is turn around and sit down, since he's already practically standing in the dugout.

[Dalyn]

I predict Heyward strikes out at least once, and all he has to do is turn around and sit down, since he's already practically standing in the dugout.

:happy0157:

[bravebonebook]

[QUOTE=Dalyn;94490]Predictions for tonight

If the Braves win, many will breathe a small sigh of relief and believe the sun will rise tomorrow.

If the Braves lose a (gasp) third straight game, the board implosion will continue and demand will increase to fire Fredi, Greg Walker, Frank Wren, BJ, Gattis, Heyward and the clubhouse attendant who washed someone's lucky socks!

[NinersSBChamps]

I like the idea of Simmons hitting second. He is hitting the ball well and at least makes contact. I hope he stays there. I also predicted this.

[bravesnumberone]

If he ever cuts down on his pop ups, he'll flourish in the 2-spot.

[NinersSBChamps]

If he ever cuts down on his pop ups, he'll flourish in the 2-spot.

Yeah that is his big issue right now. So frustrating.

[NinersSBChamps]

Ervin Santana ladies and gentleman.

[bravesnumberone]

I'll take about eight more of those, Ervin. Thanks.

[NinersSBChamps]

7 pitches and all strikes!

[NinersSBChamps]

I'll take about eight more of those, Ervin. Thanks.

You don't want him to pitch the 10th?

[Hawk]

viva erlos santana

[bravesnumberone]

Hey Hey!

[nsacpi]

Hey!

[Hawk]

JAY. missed you buddy.

[NinersSBChamps]

Heyward battling right now. 11th pitch is gone! Home run!!

[Dalyn]

:tchop:

[bravesnumberone]

Hell of a catch. Freeman pissed on that ball.

[Hawk]

Damn. That was a sick play by Lagares.

Chip clearly thought Andrelton was going to get doubled off.

[keithlaw]

i think we should stick with this lineup

[nsacpi]

Freeman is crushing everything. He's actually hit in bad luck lately.

[Dalyn]

What a play.

[sturg33]

Looks like the stadium is empty

[Hawk]

Can anybody make out the white stitching on Santana's glove? It says "El M...."

[bravesnumberone]

HOLY GOD

[Hawk]

HOLY SMOKES INDEED. SIMBA.

[Braves1976]

Simmons is amazing... Wow.

[Dalyn]

:Gasp:

[Krovahn]

We are not worthy!! Wow!

[thethe]

Can we please play Pena once in a while?

[thethe]

My man crush Gattis is stinking up the joint.

[stpeteirish]

even without BJ there's a lot of K's in this lineup. Some blame Walker but I don't see where a coach is going to make much of a difference. Its the way Wren's assembled the team, a bunch of low contact sluggers.

[thethe]

even without BJ there's a lot of K's in this lineup. Some blame Walker but I don't see where a coach is going to make much of a difference. Its the way Wren's assembled the team, a bunch of low contact sluggers.

Agreed...I like hte Prados of the world. High contact single/double hitters.

[thethe]

I think we are all going to like Ervin. Hopefully he can stay here long term. We need more pitching.

[Hawk]

So who would you rather have? Minor or Wheeler.

[thethe]

So who would you rather have? Minor or Wheeler.

Wheeler has some sick upside because his fastball is so damn good but I'm jus tnot sure he iwll have the all around repertoire that Minor has. Being a lefty helps as well.

[Dalyn]

Time for the bloop to right.

[Braves1976]

So who would you rather have? Minor or Wheeler.

I like both but I like Minor more.

[Lville21]

Jason Heyward likes Zach Wheeler.

[Lville21]

Andrelton is a better option for the 2 slot based on his contact rate. He may not be an OBP machine, but he could do the small things such as moving runners over.

[bravesnumberone]

Wheeler settling in now.

[thethe]

Wheeler settling in now.

This is Wheelers MO though...he is at 60 pitches through 3 innings.

[The Chosen One]

This is Wheelers MO though...he is at 60 pitches through 3 innings.

Hmmm. Sounds like Julio.

[thethe]

Hmmm. Sounds like Julio.

Disagree...

[Dalyn]

Santana doesn't look 6' 2.

And he clearly went around.

[Braves1976]

Another missed called by ump, last night that cost us the fourth run. Thankfully only an extra pitch this time.

[Dalyn]

Looks like an asshole wink from the offense. False alarm.

[Dalyn]

Heyward and Uggla tied for the RBI lead. :happy0157:

[Braves1976]

Good start by Gattis, let's get some runs!

[Runnin]

Looks like we finally have our ace, even if he does look like villain from a bad B movie.

[Braves1976]

Terrible AB by Schafer, stupid not to bunt for a hit there.

[bravesnumberone]

There it is.

[Braves1976]

Santana can hit better than Schafer, lol. Come on Heyward!

[nsacpi]

Santana's a hitting machine.

[Dalyn]

There it is.

[stpeteirish]

Schafer won't make it thru the year in the majors, and I'm not talking about him getting hurt.

[Lville21]

Thanks Erv for picking up Schafer.

[nsacpi]

Hey Hey Hey!

[bravesnumberone]

Heyward.

[Braves1976]

Good job Heyward! Gattis, Santana and Heyward getting it done this inning. Let's get some more boys!

[jason27nc]

Wasn't someone saying Hayward was one of our worst hitters after last night or something? Oh and someone owes me $10

[stpeteirish]

Good start by Gattis, let's get some runs!

are you ole hickory? or were you.

[Braves1976]

Simmons with a bullet, hit too hard to score Santana though. Simmons better stay in the two hole. No more BJ, Heyward gets some protection and Simmons can actually hit and almost never strikes out.

[Tapate50]

Beej either Ks or GIDP there

[Braves1976]

are you ole hickory? or were you.

Nah, but I remember him.

[bravesnumberone]

I'm still for hitting BJ ninth.

[bravesnumberone]

Freddie.

[Krovahn]

Bravo boys. Keep it up.

[Braves1976]

Finally a big inning, good job Freeman as usual. Let's get some more boys!

It's a shame we didn't have this line-up earlier with our great pitching so far. Not that I am high on Schafer, I just mean no BJ in the two hole and Simmons up there.

[TURBO]

I am Turbo, GDT creator:Waker of the offense.

[Runnin]

Freddie Freeman 4 MVP.

[Tapate50]

The best news about this inning? Guarantees we get into that shoddy pen real early.

[nsacpi]

I am Turbo, GDT creator:Waker of the offense.

Hail to the GDT Creator!

[Lville21]

Looks like Andrelton could've easily faked d'Arnaud out there and scored...he had the plate.

[david55]

Braves Baseball tonight ... so far !!!!!

[jpack1]

Now this is fun to watch. FF is just a great player.

[Braves1976]

For all the bashing Gattis takes on here, I noticed no one mention that McCann is only hitting .161 with no homers in a few more games played than Gattis so far this season. I wonder how badly Mac would be bashed on here if we gave him a big contract with such a slow start.

[Tapate50]

Can't ask for a better effort from Santana. Guy is in complete control.

[jason27nc]

I'm still for hitting BJ ninth.

or 10th ?

[mossy]

This game is more like it. :)

[TURBO]

That throw lol

[Tapate50]

Nice snag

[david55]

WOW

[Braves1976]

Heyward showing why he's the best defensive rightfielder in MLB again.

[weso1]

Didn't think Heyward had a prayer at that one. Dude covers a ton of ground and takes great routes to the ball.

[TURBO]

He covered some ground on that catch.

[jsebe10]

I love Santana's demeanor. He don't screw around at all. He gets the ball, toes the rubber and is ready to dance. Doesn't smile or frown. Look fwd to this season w/him.

[jsebe10]

God I hope Dan bombs out right here.

[pfiggy]

New Mess pitcher looks pfamilia.....

[jsebe10]

God I hope Evan bombs out right here

[jsebe10]

God I hope Jordan strikes out here. ?!?!?!?

[jsebe10]

Damn. I was. 0-3 with 3 Ks. I should play CF for us.

[jason27nc]

Damn. I was. 0-3 with 3 Ks. I should play CF for us.

Only if you are lazy and don't hustle after fly balls.

[bravesnumberone]

78 pitches in 7 innings. Awesome.

[TURBO]

I hope he gets at least 1 more inning.

[jsebe10]

Kind of a late question here, but whatever happened to Beth Kenner? I miss those titties.

[TURBO]

Thought that was a gapper at first. Grandy was well off the line.

[NinersSBChamps]

Offensive explosion!!!

[TURBO]

Why is Avilan warming up. Figured he would get a day off. I know it was just a cramp, but still.

[Dalyn]

If he can get out under 90 pitches, I would love to see Fredi let him go for the shutout. He hasn't had to throw more than a handful of stressful pitches.

[bravesnumberone]

88 pitches. You gotta let him go for the shutout.

[TURBO]

Let him start the ninth

[NinersSBChamps]

Burnett?

[pfiggy]

Carol??

[bravesnumberone]

Damn that ball literally rose.

[TURBO]

That ball was scolded.

[TURBO]

Darn. Wanted to see Ervin get the CG

[Krovahn]

I am upset.

[NinersSBChamps]

Would have liked to see Ervin go the distance. I can understand it though. This is his first start of the season.

[bravesnumberone]

Fredi is such a boner. Leave Julio in past 100 pitches when he's been off his game (though he did finish strong the other night). Santana just dominating and doesn't get a crack at it?

EDIT: I guess with it being his first start though...

[jsebe10]

Why not let him finish you fat bastard.

[Dalyn]

That ball was scolded.

"Bad ball! Bad!"

[stpeteirish]

88 pitches. You gotta let him go for the shutout.

agree, I don't get it. Santana was great and not tired.

[Braves1976]

Great game by Santana tonight.

[Krovahn]

Why not let him finish you fat bastard.
This is unnecessary.

[Runnin]

Santana has thrown plenty of complete games in his career. One more is trivial.

[jpack1]

Why in the world does a manager take a guy out that is in complete control. He was just cruising.

[Braves1976]

Marlins blew their 5-0 lead on the Nats, now 5-5.

[jsebe10]

This is unnecessary.


No it's ok...,I was talking about Fredi, not Eddie Perez.

[Krovahn]

Marlins blew their 5-0 lead on the Nats, now 5-5.

That is quite unfortunate.

[Braves78]

FG is an effing idiot I would have to imagine Santana is a bit upset right now. FG makes no sense this man has zero clue when it comes to baseball. Last year Carpenter over CK..two years ago pitching to Kemp with a base open and now this...the list could go on and on. However those are the best evidence of this mans ineptitude when it comes to baseball.

[bravesnumberone]

And of course Walden trying to let them back in it.

[jsebe10]

Looked comfortable on that swing, Joe.

[NinersSBChamps]

Get Craig ready.

[bravesnumberone]

There was absolutely no ****ing reason to use Kimbrel tonight. At least he's had a couple days off.

[Krovahn]

Release the Kimbrel

[jsebe10]

FG is an effing idiot I would have to imagine Santana is a bit upset right now. FG makes no sense this man has zero clue when it comes to baseball. Last year Carpenter over CK..two years ago pitching to Kemp with a base open and now this...the list could go on and on. However those are the best evidence of this mans ineptitude when it comes to baseball.

And now wasting our closer.

[Braves1976]

Now Fredi uses Kimbrel, lol. Santana at 88 pitches and a 4-0 shutout and Fredi finds a way to burn both Walden and Kimbrel? That's pathetic.

[Dalyn]

Warm up Avilan. Pull Santana. Bring in Walden. Pull him for Kimbrel with a four-run lead and only two on. Can't get much worse than that.

[jpack1]

Just further proof that Fredi is just not a good manager. Take out a guy in as much control as you can be, then be forced to use your closer. That is what makes him a bad manager. Just dumb.

[TURBO]

Really have to question Fredi again here. Fredi I try to have your back.

[Braves1976]

Warm up Avilan. Pull Santana. Bring in Walden. Pull him for Kimbrel with a four-run lead and only two on. Can't get much worse than that.

Fredi will do whatever it takes to burn through his bullpen apparently.

[jpack1]

How can FG be a MLB manager really? It's like he knows nothing with these moves. TERRIBLE.

[Krovahn]

And now wasting our closer.

You call it 'wasting', I call it, using our closer in a save situation. Yes, it likely shouldn't have gotten to be this; but, you have to have confidence in other members of your bullpen to not put the game in this situation.

Santana was in his first start of the year, his what, 5th over all? He had far less work than our other pitchers this spring due to coming on so late, no sense in pushing him. It is a 162 game season.

I don't put this on Fredi, I put this on Walden for not making the pitches he needed to.

[bravesnumberone]

Unbelievable.

[jpack1]

Fredi. Wow.

[Braves78]

Now Fredi uses Kimbrel, lol. Santana at 88 pitches and a 4-0 shutout and Fredi finds a way to burn both Walden and Kimbrel? That's pathetic.

Thats FGs MO he will find a way to screw up something that is working jusy fine....ie this bone head decision and the tgis years line up. I mean this team was hittinh on all cylinders last years lineup why tinker with it. I took 3/4 of the season last year to find one that would work and when he finally does he throws it away and starts over. I do not see how people can defend this man at this point.

[Braves1976]

If we blow this I want Fredi fired on the spot but that we're in this position is on him. Enough said.

[NinersSBChamps]

I actually support the decision to bring in Craig. Walden was doing his best to allow the Mets to score.

[Braves1976]

Thats FGs MO he will find a way to screw up something that is working jusy fine....ie this bone head decision and the tgis years line up. I mean this team was hittinh on all cylinders last years lineup why tinker with it. I took 3/4 of the season last year to find one that would work and when he finally does he throws it away and starts over. I do not see how people can defend this man at this point.

I agree, that's why I said a few years ago that I don't see us winning a WS title under him. Though I like our talent to do so with a better manager.

[bravesnumberone]

I agree that Walden carries a large chunk of the blame, but there was zero reason to take out Santana. He was at 88 pitches and showed zero signs of wearing down. It was as good a performance as I've seen from a Braves starter in a while.

And now it's 4-2.

[Braves78]

If we blow this I want Fredi fired on the spot but that we're in this position is on him. Enough said.


As much as I would love for us to lose and him be fired if he wasnt fired after the collapse of 2012 and leaving CK in the bullpen nothing can happen to get him fired.

[Braves1976]

Wow, tying run at first and go-ahead at the plate now.

Now tying run at third, this is really happening? 4-3...

[bravesnumberone]

****ing Mets.

[NinersSBChamps]

Lol

[jpack1]

Wow. Such a stupid move that Fredi deserves this crap. Awful managing from an awful manager.

[nsacpi]

Warm up Avilan. Pull Santana. Bring in Walden. Pull him for Kimbrel with a four-run lead and only two on. Can't get much worse than that.

You left out that Carpenter also warmed up. Given that, why not use him rather than Walden.

[TDlxANDER]

What is happening?

[Braves1976]

As much as I would love for us to lose and him be fired if he wasnt fired after the collapse of 2012 and leaving CK in the bullpen nothing can happen to get him fired.

Pretty my my thoughts too. Oh well.

[Braves78]

FG is a genius....where are the FG supporters.

[Dalyn]

Fredi finds a way NOT to put players in the best position to succeed. That's what he does.

[NinersSBChamps]

Blame Fredi all you want. However this mess is on the right arms of Jordan Walden and Craig Kimbrel.

[Dalyn]

You left out that Carpenter also warmed up. Given that, why not use him rather than Walden.

REALLY? I missed that one. Saw Avilan.

[jpack1]

We could be a real good team under a good manager. I mean Fredi is just bottom barrel.

[bravesnumberone]

Fredi finds a way NOT to put players in the best position to succeed. That's what he does.

It amazes me some still can't see this.

[jason27nc]

Blame Fredi all you want. However this mess is on the right arms of Jordan Walden and Craig Kimbrel.

Who took out Santana and put those guys in there?

[NinersSBChamps]

Way too close for comfort.

[nsacpi]

REALLY? I missed that one. Saw Avilan.

Radio announcers mentioned both Avilan and Carpenter as warming up in the 8th.

[TURBO]

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[Dalyn]

Whew. Scary.

[jpack1]

Relief. Still one of the worst decision of the Fredi G tenure, and that's saying something.

[Braves1976]

Thank God we held on but that was terrible managing. It may well cost us later this week too if Kimbrel is tired or cannot be used because of tonight.

[NinersSBChamps]

Who took out Santana and put those guys in there?

I don't necessarily agree with taking out Santana. He was pitching great and was under 90 pitches. This was his first start of the season and I can understand the rationale behind taking him out. I don't think anyone here was expecting Walden and Kimbrel to let the Mets score three runs.

[Krovahn]

Who took out Santana and put those guys in there?

Again, you have to trust your pitchers to make pitches and get outs.

[Braves1976]

Radio announcers mentioned both Avilan and Carpenter as warming up in the 8th.

Both? LOL Tommy John here I come, who's next? My guess is Avilan turn is next...

[nsacpi]

Again, you have to trust your pitchers to make pitches and get outs.

Sure, but how the manager uses them comes into play too. Having two guys warm up in the 8th, and using a third pitcher instead is just inexcusable.

[Krovahn]

Sure, but how the manager uses them comes into play too.

Yes, it does. But, as I said on page 9, I believe how they were used in this situation was correct. You don't push Santana more than you have to when he didn't get nearly as much work this spring, if you don't have to. A 4-0 should be safe, especially with our bullpen.

[bravesnumberone]

Of course no one was expecting Walden and Kimbrel to give up 3 runs. That isn't the point.

[mossy]

A win is a win!!!

And you Fredi haters will rip him no matter what he does, you've trained yourselves to do it. And it never gets old either.

But guess what? He's the manager, you aren't, and the Braves don't know you exist.

I won't post here anymore. You guys are entitled to your opinions and I'll admit Fredi isn't perfect, but constant criticism makes it not fun to take part in game threads. Too much personal stress in my life to read "Fredi is an idiot" every 2.5 seconds. Life is too short.

Braves win!!!!!

[jcc03004]

Pitching stats for this series so far
Starters 14 innings 1 run
Relievers 4 innings 6 runs
Who woulda thought

[TURBO]

A win is a win!!!

And you Fredi haters will rip him no matter what he does, you've trained yourselves to do it. And it never gets old either.

But guess what? He's the manager, you aren't, and the Braves don't know you exist.

I won't post here anymore. You guys are entitled to your opinions and I'll admit Fredi isn't perfect, but constant criticism makes it not fun to take part in game threads. Too much personal stress in my life to read "Fredi is an idiot" every 2.5 seconds. Life is too short.

Braves win!!!!!

No Mossy. There are a few Fredi supporters here. :tchop:

[nsacpi]

Yes, it does. But, as I said on page 9, I believe how they were used in this situation was correct. You don't push Santana more than you have to when he didn't get nearly as much work this spring, if you don't have to. A 4-0 should be safe, especially with our bullpen.

I agree with taking Santana out. My issue is warming up Avilan and Carpenter in the eighth, and bringing in Walden instead.

[bravesnumberone]

A win is a win!!!

And you Fredi haters will rip him no matter what he does, you've trained yourselves to do it. And it never gets old either.

But guess what? He's the manager, you aren't, and the Braves don't know you exist.

I won't post here anymore. You guys are entitled to your opinions and I'll admit Fredi isn't perfect, but constant criticism makes it not fun to take part in game threads. Too much personal stress in my life to read "Fredi is an idiot" every 2.5 seconds. Life is too short.

Braves win!!!!!

Nope I'll applaud him when he deserves it. For instance, good job finally taking BJ out of two-spot. Wasn't working. He's also low maintenance and seems to be a good day-to-day guy in the clubhouse.

But we shouldn't stop criticizing him for bad moves, either. It isn't personal. It's part of what fans do, and it's part of these game threads - to discuss in-game decisions.

[pfiggy]

Lemme preface this by sayin' ah don't like the Fredster much.......but how in the hell do all y'all know he took Santana out? Ah mean Santana may have took hisownself out, said "Boss, mah dick is draggin' in the dirt, let somebody else finish this thang." Now usin' CK was entirely effin' stupid.

[jsebe10]

Again, you have to trust your pitchers to make pitches and get outs.

What about rewarding your pitchers who gave you 8 shutout innings giving your bullpen a night off?

[Bdawg2309]

What was this ..Santana's 2nd start all year including ST?

Should've figured people would be bitching here

[Dalyn]

Bottom line? On a night when a starter went 8 shutout innings with a four-run lead, we warmed up/used four relievers.

[bravesnumberone]

What was this ..Santana's 2nd start all year including ST?

Should've figured people would be bitching here

Then why'd he let him go seven? 78 pitches is a lot for a second start. Good grief.

[Heyward]

I dont mind Erv not pitching the 9th.

1st start of the year, dont want to overwork him.

Besides, if Walden cant get 3 outs with a 4-run lead, he has bigger problems.

[The Chosen One]

What about rewarding your pitchers who gave you 8 shutout innings giving your bullpen a night off?

It was the right move to take Ervin out. His spring training just started 3 weeks ago.

Christ you people will complain about everything. This isn't a video game where Santana's stamina started at 100 and was still 85 in the 8th.

Doesn't work like that. Just like OMG why did FREDI take out Hale.... yeah let's not forget dude has the flu since Milwaukee.

[Bdawg2309]

Bottom line? On a night when a starter went 8 shutout innings with a four-run lead, we warmed up/used four relievers.
Blame walden

[nsacpi]

Bottom line? On a night when a starter went 8 shutout innings with a four-run lead, we warmed up/used four relievers.

I'll add the little tidbit that Avilan also threw a bullpen this afternoon to test his hamstring. We have a good pen and I want us to still have a good pen come September and October. I want to see guys like Avilan and Carpenter pitching for us at the end of the season. I get mad when I see stuff like this happening.

[Heyward]

FG is a genius....where are the FG supporters.

Right here.

[zitothebrave]

People are really complaining after a win? Seriously?

Heyward ripped the tits off a really good pitcher. Better have Simmons in the 2 hole tomorrow.

[Braves1976]

What was this ..Santana's 2nd start all year including ST?

Should've figured people would be bitching here

Santana had three spring training starts and threw at least 93 pitches his last AAA start. He should've been fine to start the 9th as little trouble he was having and only 88 pitches.

[Braves1976]

I'll add the little tidbit that Avilan also threw a bullpen this afternoon to test his hamstring. We have a good pen and I want us to still have a good pen come September and October. I want to see guys like Avilan and Carpenter pitching for us at the end of the season. I get mad when I see stuff like this happening.

Same here.

[jsebe10]

It was the right move to take Ervin out. His spring training just started 3 weeks ago.

Christ you people will complain about everything. This isn't a video game where Santana's stamina started at 100 and was still 85 in the 8th.

Doesn't work like that. Just like OMG why did FREDI take out Hale.... yeah let's not forget dude has the flu since Milwaukee.

I understand that.

But, it's no secret the BP has been struggling a bit. So why not chance the opportunity to give them a night off? At worst, have someone warming up in the pen just in case Santana runs into trouble. The bullpen WILL get that ass taxed in August/September, so try and give those guys every little break you can.

[jsebe10]

People are really complaining after a win? Seriously?

Heyward ripped the tits off a really good pitcher. Better have Simmons in the 2 hole tomorrow.

Couldn't be more happier for the kid. The manager is a separate issue.

[Dalyn]

Glad we won. Santana did one hell of a job. Would love to see him have a contract year.

[Braves1976]

...why did FREDI take out Hale.... yeah let's not forget dude has the flu since Milwaukee.

I supported taking out Hale when Fredi did so, that was a good move given his flu.

[rico43]

Then why'd he let him go seven? 78 pitches is a lot for a second start. Good grief.

He had two spring starts and a start in Gwinnett. His arm doesn't know where he's pitching.

[jsebe10]

Glad we won. Santana did one hell of a job. Would love to see him have a contract year.

+1.

[rico43]

I understand that.

But, it's no secret the BP has been struggling a bit. So why not chance the opportunity to give them a night off? At worst, have someone warming up in the pen just in case Santana runs into trouble. The bullpen WILL get that ass taxed in August/September, so try and give those guys every little break you can.

Fredi said that Walden needed work. But after two walks, no one in their right mind leaves him in. I have NO problem with how Fredi handled the ninth.

[zitothebrave]

Glad we won. Santana did one hell of a job. Would love to see him have a contract year.

More than a contract year I think he'll have a move to the NL with a great OF defense boost.

[Dalyn]

More than a contract year I think he'll have a move to the NL with a great OF defense boost.

I just hope it isn't like BJ and Uggla...think you are getting one thing and end up with something entirely different -

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SzPogW5B--/c_fit,w_320/672443316256430888.gif

[bravesnumberone]

OK, I'm done with this. Braves win. Keep Simmons second.

[Braves1976]

Santana just said he asked the pitch the 9th but Fredi wouldn't let him. He said he couldn't talk Fredi out of it and that given the way the game was going he wanted a shot at finishing it. Then added that's okay maybe next time.

[Dalyn]

Santana just said he asked the pitch the 9th but Fredi wouldn't let him. He said he couldn't talk Fredi out of it but that given the way the game was going he wanted a shot at finishing it. But then added that's okay maybe next time.

:facepalm:

[CyYoung31]

Fredi's bullpen management has always been questionable at best. That was the big knock on him when he was with the Marlins.

Still, the guy gets way too much hate from armchair managers who have no idea of the inner workings of a Major League clubhouse.

[bravesnumberone]

Again, it's legitimate to point out that bullpen management. Otherwise, why do we even have boards like this? Why do we armchair players question any of the hitters or pitchers?

[Braves1976]

Again, it's legitimate to point out that bullpen management. Otherwise, why do we even have boards like this? Why do we armchair players question any of the hitters or pitchers?

Exactly, I also find it funny the big Fredi defenders will bash players big time but anyone dares question Fredi they run to his defense.

[nsacpi]

Still, the guy gets way too much hate from armchair managers who have no idea of the inner workings of a Major League clubhouse.

Sure there is a lot going on that we don't know about. But how would that justify warming up Carpenter in the 8th but bringing in Walden in the 9th. The only thing I can think of that would justify that would be Carpenter getting hurt while warming up.

[CyYoung31]

Again, it's legitimate to point out that bullpen management. Otherwise, why do we even have boards like this? Why do we armchair players question any of the hitters or pitchers?

Good thing no one said you couldn't do that.

[zitothebrave]

I just hope it isn't like BJ and Uggla...think you are getting one thing and end up with something entirely different -

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SzPogW5B--/c_fit,w_320/672443316256430888.gif

Ummmmmmmmmm if I thought I was getting Emma Watson and wound up with Sofia Vergara I wouldn't cry too much. Down grade on face and probably tightness, upgrade on tits.

[Dalyn]

Ummmmmmmmmm if I thought I was getting Emma Watson and wound up with Sofia Vergara I wouldn't cry too much. Down grade on face and probably tightness, upgrade on tits.

I disagree, but I was talking more about the process itself. :icwudt:

[CyYoung31]

Sure there is a lot going on that we don't know about. But how would that justify warming up Carpenter in the 8th but bringing in Walden in the 9th. The only thing I can think of that would justify that would be Carpenter getting hurt while warming up.

Right. I didn't see the game, but none of the moves Fredi made seem so terrible to me. But, yeah, like you said having a bunch of different pitchers warm up at that point seems silly to me.

[bravesnumberone]

Good thing no one said you couldn't do that.

But people on here can't without being told to stop bashing Fredi, or that they have no idea how a clubhouse works. I understand it gets excessive from time to time. I try to avoid name-calling. (Referring to him as a boner earlier in the thread was a light-hearted poke.) I'll also concede bullpen management is difficult and is a weakness for several managers. Ultimately, it does come down to Walden to perform in that situation. But the bottom line is Santana was good to go, and he probably could have finished at under 100 pitches. At least he should have had the opportunity to.

[Bdawg2309]

Fredi AND ROGER decided he would only go 8 before the 8th even happened


Roger is never blamed here

[jsebe10]

But people on here can't without being told to stop bashing Fredi, or that they have no idea how a clubhouse works. I understand it gets excessive from time to time. I try to avoid name-calling. (Referring to him as a boner earlier in the thread was a light-hearted poke.) I'll also concede bullpen management is difficult and is a weakness for several managers. Ultimately, it does come down to Walden to perform in that situation. But the bottom line is Santana was good to go, and he probably could have finished at under 100 pitches. At least he should have had the opportunity to.

Well, the same could be said about BJ then....you understand him being in the 2 hole bc of his speed, but it's on him to perform although he's struggling severely and shouldn't be up there.

[bravesnumberone]

Fredi AND ROGER decided he would only go 8 before the 8th even happened


Roger is never blamed here

Didn't catch that, but in that case, Roger was in the wrong, too. He's still not the manager.

[jsebe10]

But people on here can't without being told to stop bashing Fredi, or that they have no idea how a clubhouse works. I understand it gets excessive from time to time. I try to avoid name-calling. (Referring to him as a boner earlier in the thread was a light-hearted poke.) I'll also concede bullpen management is difficult and is a weakness for several managers. Ultimately, it does come down to Walden to perform in that situation. But the bottom line is Santana was good to go, and he probably could have finished at under 100 pitches. At least he should have had the opportunity to.

But completely agree with you none the less...great point.

[bravesnumberone]

Well, the same could be said about BJ then....you understand him being in the 2 hole bc of his speed, but it's on him to perform although he's struggling severely and shouldn't be up there.

Hoping that's a done deal now, lol.

[jsebe10]

Worth just cock thrusted the Marlins.

[CyYoung31]

Exactly, I also find it funny the big Fredi defenders will bash players big time but anyone dares question Fredi they run to his defense.

What are you talking about?

[Braves1976]

Marmol just gave up a grand slam to Werth, turning a 7-6 8th inning Miami lead into 10-7 Nats. Miami once led this game 5-0 too.

[CyYoung31]

But people on here can't without being told to stop bashing Fredi, or that they have no idea how a clubhouse works. I understand it gets excessive from time to time. I try to avoid name-calling. (Referring to him as a boner earlier in the thread was a light-hearted poke.) I'll also concede bullpen management is difficult and is a weakness for several managers. Ultimately, it does come down to Walden to perform in that situation. But the bottom line is Santana was good to go, and he probably could have finished at under 100 pitches. At least he should have had the opportunity to.

Well, you don't. But the main point is calling Fredi an idiot and acting like he's the worst manager of all-time is hyperbolic beyond belief.

[Dalyn]

I guess the Marlins are still Team Nationals.

[CyYoung31]

Marmol still up to his old tricks I see.

[jsebe10]

I guess the Marlins are still Team Nationals.

Kinda sucks for them. They beat the prison d*ck out of Zimmerman tonight. Unfortunate.

[Braves1976]

I guess the Marlins are still Team Nationals.

Marmol is still Marmol too. I guess that's good news for us too, then again at this rate he probably gets released before we get to have such fun against him.

[Dalyn]

Remarkable how close Kimbrel is to the Braves saves record.

[drewdat]

You guys need to lay off Marmol. He's trying his best.

[bravesnumberone]

Marmol just needs to face BJ and Schafer a few times. Get that confidence back up.

[bravesnumberone]

Remarkable how close Kimbrel is to the Braves saves record.

It's also pretty crazy how fast Smoltz got it in just a few years of closing.

[Braves1976]

You guys need to lay off Marmol. He's trying his best.

BJ Upton: "Marmol is just what I need to break out." :icon_biggrin:

[Braves1976]

It's also pretty crazy how fast Smoltz got it in just a few years of closing.

Yep, Smoltz was a great closer too.

[CyYoung31]

Exactly, I also find it funny the big Fredi defenders will bash players big time but anyone dares question Fredi they run to his defense.

Yeah, I don't bash players. At least not our own.