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jsebe10
05-04-2014, 10:17 AM
1. Jason Heyward (L) RF
2. B.J. Upton (R) CF
3. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
4. Justin Upton (R) LF
5. Evan Gattis (R) C
6. Chris Johnson (R) 3B
7. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
8. Ramiro Pena (S) SS
9. Alex Wood (R) P

Nothing on the Giants yet. Bumgardener is a very tough lefty and hopefully Wood can rebound today. Go Braves

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 10:18 AM
Let's get a win today! This streak has honestly been brutal, but I'm thankful it's still super early in the year. Need to get the bats going with RISP. Julio had a QS last night, so I can't ask for too much more from pitching at this point.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 10:23 AM
Get shut down by Cum and Slong. Maybe we can beat up Bum today.

sturg33
05-04-2014, 10:34 AM
Shocked that Gattis is in there. Fredi makes no sense to me.

Would have made more sense to play him Friday, rest him yesterday, and play him today.

Braves1976
05-04-2014, 11:03 AM
OK, now it makes sense why Simmons is not in the line-up. Apparently Simmons has a family matter to clear his head about. That sounds serious and sorry to hear. It hurts that we have to use Pena vs a lefty and you certainly rather have Simmons with Wood on the mound.

That said, what will it take for Fredi to drop BJ Upton down in the line-up (stop batting him second)? A crazy long losing streak?

Lville21
05-04-2014, 11:34 AM
So much for shaking the lineup up....

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 11:45 AM
May or may not watch today.

Jay212033
05-04-2014, 11:57 AM
I'm sticking to my word and I'm not watching till after the NFL draft. I really hope they win though.

tvsportscaster
05-04-2014, 11:59 AM
Shocked that Gattis is in there. Fredi makes no sense to me.

Would have made more sense to play him Friday, rest him yesterday, and play him today.

He didn't play Friday because they didn't want him starting three days in a row.

waraueagle
05-04-2014, 11:59 AM
Yep. 'Was hoping for a little shakeup in the lineup. I don't know why I get my hopes up with Laird calling the shots...

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 12:10 PM
Would be nice to get a win before the Cardinals come to town.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 12:38 PM
Wood versus Vogelslong would have been a fun match up.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 12:41 PM
Wood vs Lincecum...

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 12:44 PM
Need a double play here. The Braves got a break for once.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 12:45 PM
How the...now you can decline penalties in baseball?!?

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 12:45 PM
Gattis may have broken the record for catcher's interference in one season.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 12:45 PM
Almost got a break, of course we still give up a run in the first. Cool.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 12:45 PM
It feels like we are down 5 runs already.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 12:46 PM
That's Evan's 4th catcher's interference this season. Lol I've never seen 1 catcher have so many.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 12:47 PM
Can't believe Wood is 2-4 with how amazing he's been. Fernandez got the best of the kid.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 12:53 PM
2 Ks already!

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 12:54 PM
Going to be a long game.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 01:09 PM
Upton stares at a strike three.

tvsportscaster
05-04-2014, 01:13 PM
Braves in the middle of another whiff-a-thon. I won't be long for this game, watching this crap.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 01:14 PM
Chris Johnson has been practically worthless this year. He's played in almost every game, hitting 4-7 in the order, and has 4 RBI's on the year. I could argue that both BJ and Uggla have been better, and they ain't good.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 01:16 PM
Great. Leadoff single to Antonio Banderas

jpack1
05-04-2014, 01:17 PM
Why in the world did the Braves extend CJ. Guy is just not that good.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 01:17 PM
It feels like we are down 5 runs already.

because we are down in every game, never get ahead, and if we tie it up it lasts 1-2 batters. The game where BJ hit the 3 run HR is the only game we've been ahead in this streak and the pen blew that one.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 01:18 PM
This has Ben Sheets circa 2004 written all over it.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 01:19 PM
Braves in the middle of another whiff-a-thon. I won't be long for this game, watching this crap.

why would you think that, only 4 of the first 6 guys have struck out.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 01:22 PM
Woods change up ain't worth a sh1t today.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 01:22 PM
ITT: Whine-a-thon.
Jesus Christ. Where are the non-whiners today?

Five
05-04-2014, 01:35 PM
Hmmm, excute fundamentals and make **** happen, what a concept.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 01:35 PM
See what happens when you play fundamental baseball?
Let's go Jason.

sentenza
05-04-2014, 01:37 PM
Will we start to hit sometimes this season?
So it will be very hard to make the playoffs.

Five
05-04-2014, 01:46 PM
And just like that. One ****ing **** down inning please.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 01:46 PM
83 pitches through 3 2/3

tvsportscaster
05-04-2014, 01:48 PM
That's three straight games now that the tie hasn't even lasted a half inning. Unbelievable. Everything with this team right now is an uphill battle. So much for keeping momentum in your dugout.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 01:52 PM
Way to swing at clear ball 4, Justin.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 01:57 PM
Good bottom half boys. Lol.

jpack1
05-04-2014, 02:00 PM
When this team goes bad if goes bad. Let's hope the good is as good as the bad is bad when or if it ever gets going.

sturg33
05-04-2014, 02:04 PM
This team just refuses to take a walk. Once Gattis has 3 balls, he's swinging

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:06 PM
This team just refuses to take a walk. Once Gattis has 3 balls, he's swinging

Justin got up 3-0 and had 2 terrible swings once it got to 3-1.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:11 PM
Whew. Let's put some runs up.

sturg33
05-04-2014, 02:12 PM
Smoltz has been talking all series about how Giants pitchers are getting behind and pitching out of it. I truly believe it's almost an advantage at this point with this team to have 3 balls. They swing at everything when they get ahead of the count

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 02:15 PM
Darn. Dan only has warning track power now.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:15 PM
Are you serious? Morse caught that? That's just bad luck. That dude is garbage.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 02:16 PM
Good bottom half boys. Lol.

The Braves are playing like a bottom half.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 02:17 PM
spirits are so low here there haven't even been any Wood jokes.

sturg33
05-04-2014, 02:18 PM
This is one of those games where we're being severely outplayed and outpitched but we have an opportunity to steal one. I think we will

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:19 PM
Pastor42B

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 02:23 PM
Lol choke

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:23 PM
Goddammit.

jpack1
05-04-2014, 02:24 PM
Another unclutch performance.

sturg33
05-04-2014, 02:25 PM
Heyward swung at ball 4.

He's also been popping up a ton lately

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:36 PM
Ahh good BJ to help Wood.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 02:36 PM
swinging at ball four is a team wide problem. Fredi alluded to the team "pressing" in an interview but I think its the opposite. Nobody thinks a particular AB matters so they just go up there and piss it away. The mgr is afraid to get on the players.

Just my opinion, wonder if anyone else has one re this.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:37 PM
Let's play baseball and let BJ run.
THANK YOU!

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:38 PM
Sac fly ties the game.
Fun. Da. Men. Tals.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 02:39 PM
Baahahahahaha.

The nightmare continues.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:39 PM
And Justin promptly pops out on the first pitch.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 02:40 PM
Teamwide we aren't seeing the ball that well for some reason.

jpack1
05-04-2014, 02:42 PM
They need to start fining players for swinging at terrible pitches. This is just terrible.

sentenza
05-04-2014, 02:42 PM
This is so horrible!
Such chances and no runs.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 02:42 PM
The guys are given runs day in and day out and don't do the fundamentals. When they do, the pitchers give up homers. No idea how to actually get out of this funk.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:43 PM
Lol wow. This team is terrified of hitting with men on base. Something really needs to be shaken up. Uggla gone, hitting coach gone, something.
Nope. Uggla will be plugged in the lineup tomorrow. We all know it. He's Fredi's boy.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:46 PM
Sav, is not pinning this topic supposed to be an anti-jinx?

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 02:46 PM
Lol wow. This team is terrified of hitting with men on base. Something really needs to be shaken up. Uggla gone, hitting coach gone, something.
Nope. Uggla will be plugged in the lineup tomorrow. We all know it. He's Fredi's boy.

Uggla isn't the problem, its broader than that. That 3rd strike to Gattis was pathetic. Teams know we will chase bad pitches. We have to stop chasing bad pitches, take the damned walk. BJ seems to be the only guy who gets this, although with him its probably lack of confidence in his hitting since he's sucked for so long.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 02:48 PM
weird use of IBB. Its not like the bottom of the order is up.

sentenza
05-04-2014, 02:48 PM
And now SF will show us how to play this game.
Single, sac, ibb - then score

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:49 PM
Uggla isn't the problem, its broader than that. That 3rd strike to Gattis was pathetic. Teams know we will chase bad pitches. We have to stop chasing bad pitches, take the damned walk. BJ seems to be the only guy who gets this, although with him its probably lack of confidence in his hitting since he's sucked for so long.

Oh I agree, but something has to be shaken up. Uggla is just beyond pathetic. I really have never seen a major league player so bad. It's amazing. And it's not like he can field well and is hitting 8th. He's a horrible defender. He is a bad baseball player in every sense, and yet he still plays somehow. It is mind-boggling. How is it even OK for him to be allowed to be trotted out there?

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 02:50 PM
What do you guys think: is this a team slump or is this just the team's weaknesses all showing at once?

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:50 PM
Does anyone ever ask Fredi why Uggla is still playing? I can't imagine any other player that's so terrible in truly every facet of the game would still be out there every day.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:51 PM
What do you guys think: is this a team slump or is this just the team's weaknesses all showing at once?

We have the same weaknesses as last year, we're just terrible with RISP right now. I think in the long run we will be fine. Again, there are a lot of wacky numbers in the MLB this early. The Cards are worse than we are, but they're still good. It's just really frustrating to watch while we're in this rut.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 02:51 PM
Oh I agree, but something has to be shaken up. Uggla is just beyond pathetic. I really have never seen a major league player so bad. It's amazing. And it's not like he can field well and is hitting 8th. He's a horrible defender. He is a bad baseball player in every sense, and yet he still plays somehow. It is mind-boggling. How is it even OK for him to be allowed to be trotted out there?

Easily a slump.

Freeman no power, Justin no powet atm, etc.

Hawk
05-04-2014, 02:53 PM
Huge play.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:54 PM
Easily a slump.

Freeman no power, Justin no powet atm, etc.

Right, nothing is going right offensively right now. Freeman will get hot again, Heyward will normalize a bit, Justin's power will come and go.
Still doesn't change the fact that Uggla has no business being on a professional baseball diamond. He's the worst player in the MLB, all things considered, and is still playing.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 02:55 PM
Right, nothing is going right offensively right now. Freeman will get hot again, Heyward will normalize a bit, Justin's power will come and go.
Still doesn't change the fact that Uggla has no business being on a professional baseball diamond. He's the worst player in the MLB, all things considered, and is still playing.

He's not even the worst player in our everyday lineup, Johnson is.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 02:57 PM
Huge play.

Getting Avilan back to where he was last year would be nice. But since he doesn't hit, a good bullpen just means the losses are closer.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 02:57 PM
He's not even the worst player in our everyday lineup, Johnson is.

No, he's not. Johnson is a much better player. He's been slumping this season, but his numbers will be much better than Uggla's by the end of the year. And Johnson is better defensively.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 02:59 PM
LORD BABIP

yeezus
05-04-2014, 03:00 PM
Please make Uggla bunt.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 03:01 PM
Get Uggla off the team. He kills us. I like him; but we don't need him.

Julio3000
05-04-2014, 03:01 PM
Gawd. F'ing Uggla.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 03:01 PM
LMAO.
Why was he not ordered to bunt? That was the worst AB I have ever seen. God he is awful.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:02 PM
Disappear Dan.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 03:02 PM
Pena is awful too.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 03:03 PM
Pena is awful too.

Yeah, he is. People were very optimistic based on like 100 ABs here, but he's a terrible hitter.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 03:03 PM
Doumit 2-run shot right here.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 03:04 PM
Doumit is awful as well.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 03:04 PM
Love seeing the guys try so hard there. Haha

yeezus
05-04-2014, 03:04 PM
I meant he'd have 2 defenders running after his pop-up. So I was right.

sturg33
05-04-2014, 03:06 PM
I have never seen so many popups in my life

sentenza
05-04-2014, 03:06 PM
10 runs in the last 6 games. This is good enough for the worst team.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:07 PM
Doumit is awful as well.

Yea he is but I fckn hate hate hate Uggla. I wish that fudge packer never got traded to this team. Every time I see his name on the lineup card I can't help but think of where we would be without piece of sh*t on this team.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 03:09 PM
Yea he is but I fckn hate hate hate Uggla. I wish that fudge packer never got traded to this team. Every time I see his name on the lineup card I can't help but think of where we would be without piece of sh*t on this team.

Just relax, and know Pastornicky/LaStella will be playing soon at 2B.

sturg33
05-04-2014, 03:10 PM
Just relax, and know Pastornicky/LaStella will be playing soon at 2B.

There is no evidence that this is true

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:11 PM
Just relax, and know Pastornicky/LaStella will be playing soon at 2B.

Oh I'm relaxed, but it's not going to happen. 36 months of his sh1t is enough to make a man sin. Fredi will never let him go. They are like testicles, those two.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 03:12 PM
Just relax, and know Pastornicky/LaStella will be playing soon at 2B.

How do you figure? It seems they're ok with rolling Uggla out there to be terrible day in and day out.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 03:14 PM
Game. The guys just need to regroup man. It happens, but it's frustrating.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:14 PM
Dagger.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 03:14 PM
OK, finished with this game. Going to get some stuff done. Back-to-back sweeps.

The Chosen One
05-04-2014, 03:15 PM
I blame Fredi.

sentenza
05-04-2014, 03:15 PM
Good night folks!

CyYoung31
05-04-2014, 03:16 PM
We will put up 4 in the last two innings.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:19 PM
I blame Fredi.

I blame every single position player in that duggout. Each of them from Heyward to Schafer has had an opportunity to step up and do something for this team and they've failed.

sentenza
05-04-2014, 03:21 PM
We will put up 4 in the last two innings.

ok, i believe it, if you say this.
But when did we score 5 runs in a game the last time? And how often this season?

Gary82
05-04-2014, 03:22 PM
6 game losing streak. Nice fellas.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:23 PM
Worm beater tries to pull a low and outside pitch and promptly rolls over to 2B

50PoundHead
05-04-2014, 03:24 PM
Yea he is but I fckn hate hate hate Uggla. I wish that fudge packer never got traded to this team. Every time I see his name on the lineup card I can't help but think of where we would be without piece of sh*t on this team.

Those of us who even expressed any reservation at the acquisition and extension of Uggla were universally labeled as retrograde reprobates who did not believe in the power of the three-outcome player. Uggla was a stat head wet dream and there are still folks who don't post here much that were saying he continued to either be the best option or that he'd bounce back throughout the off-season.

I never liked him that much, but thought he could be a positive cog in a larger machine. There is a value in what he brought to the table at the time of his acquisition. I hated the extension because you don't extend marginal athletes past age 30 in any sport.

We're never going to get anything for him, so releasing him is the only option we have if we want to move him.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 03:25 PM
On a positive note, I've been thrilled with BJ's progression as of late.!

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 03:26 PM
I blame every single position player in that duggout. Each of them from Heyward to Schafer has had an opportunity to step up and do something for this team and they've failed.

Schafer's barely played. But its true, its the lack of hitting that is the problem in the past 4 games anyway. I think they just don't have any sense of urgency, they think they'll be fine. And I think they'll start hitting when they're 10 games out of 1st.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 03:29 PM
Awful luck there for Freddie

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:31 PM
Justin will pop out this AB

bravesnumberone
05-04-2014, 03:34 PM
Another worthless performance from this team.

UNCBlue012
05-04-2014, 03:34 PM
Upton has struck out 3 times this series in situations that I don't believe should be a strike.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:34 PM
That is strike 3 you fckn goon!!!!!!!'n

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:35 PM
Watched two 84 MPH change ups that did nothing, right down the pipe.

PurpleBrave
05-04-2014, 03:35 PM
Just a slump fellas. A season long one. Nothing to worry about

tvsportscaster
05-04-2014, 03:36 PM
6 runs in the 6-game losing streak. And they only got 7 in the last game they won last Sunday. 7 runs in 7 games just ain't going to cut it.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:39 PM
Just a slump fellas. A season long one. Nothing to worry about

I know I know.

buck7580
05-04-2014, 03:39 PM
Is Bucknor umpiring home plate?

bravesnumberone
05-04-2014, 03:39 PM
And of course none of this is the team's fault. The Marlins and Giants stole our signs, and the mean umpires call borderline 2-strike pitches strikes.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:41 PM
Vavaro better get the ball down. He'll be sooowwwyy

sentenza
05-04-2014, 03:42 PM
How was this first pitch a ball?
Right in the middle.

tvsportscaster
05-04-2014, 03:47 PM
What a difference a week makes. A week ago today, the Braves were 17 and 7 and had a 3 and half game division lead. Now in they are 17 and 13 and in danger of falling into second place.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:51 PM
In Wood's last 4 starts, a total of 1 run of support. Those guys should be ashamed of themselves.

bravesnumberone
05-04-2014, 03:51 PM
After that utterly disgraceful week of baseball filled with gutless performances, I'll offer up this thought:

The Braves' 14-game winning streak last season started with a sweep of the Cardinals.

So I'll say what I said prior to that series when we were struggling:

I can't wait to see what the Cardinals do to this team.

P.S.: Uggla is a useless turd and needs to be gone.

sentenza
05-04-2014, 03:52 PM
Did we even hit a ball out of the infield the last innings?
6 straight losses, no runs. , no hits. Nothing.
Last place next weekend.

50PoundHead
05-04-2014, 03:54 PM
In Wood's last 4 starts, a total of 1 run of support. Those guys should be ashamed of themselves.

At the same time, he's throwing a ton of pitches. There's no excuse for this lack of offense, but Wood's been as sharp as a basketball these past couple of outings. It's a learning curve and he's got the talent to get back in the groove, but he's been laboring.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 03:56 PM
At the same time, he's throwing a ton of pitches. There's no excuse for this lack of offense, but Wood's been as sharp as a basketball these past couple of outings. It's a learning curve and he's got the talent to get back in the groove, but he's been laboring.

The only outing he had no business winning was his last one in Miami.

tvsportscaster
05-04-2014, 03:57 PM
After that utterly disgraceful week of baseball filled with gutless performances, I'll offer up this thought:

The Braves' 14-game winning streak last season started with a sweep of the Cardinals.

So I'll say what I said prior to that series when we were struggling:

I can't wait to see what the Cardinals do to this team.

P.S.: Uggla is a useless turd and needs to be gone.

Well, the Cardinals aren't exactly setting the world on fire, they are 15 and 16 and need a win tonight to avoid a sweep to the Cubs.

bravesnumberone
05-04-2014, 03:58 PM
Well, the Cardinals aren't exactly setting the world on fire, they are 15 and 16 and need a win tonight to avoid a sweep to the Cubs.

So what you're saying is we're about to make them look like the '27 Yankees. Got it.

stpeteirish
05-04-2014, 04:05 PM
didn't even have an XBH today. With all those big HR swings, nuthin.

50PoundHead
05-04-2014, 04:15 PM
The only outing he had no business winning was his last one in Miami.

Over 100 pitches in five innings today. I'm not saying he deserved to lose, but he wasn't sharp.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 04:21 PM
Cool.

VirginiaBrave
05-04-2014, 04:39 PM
I said all winter I thought this team was overrated, I thought April had proved me wrong, but not sure now. This is pathetic it looks like everybody is sleepwalking out there. Looks like the team has taken on the personality of the fan base, we'll get it going we are the Braves...better happen soon.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 04:52 PM
I said all winter I thought this team was overrated, I thought April had proved me wrong, but not sure now. This is pathetic it looks like everybody is sleepwalking out there. Looks like the team has taken on the personality of the fan base, we'll get it going we are the Braves...better happen soon.

LMAO.
Where do you people come from? I tell you...

Braves1976
05-04-2014, 05:03 PM
LMAO.
Where do you people come from? I tell you...

In his case, it seems Virginia. :)

VirginiaBrave
05-04-2014, 05:04 PM
LMAO.
Where do you people come from? I tell you...

I could ask you the same question. I will ask this. Where do you see any thing to be positive about? This is baseball we will turn it around mentality might not come to pass, while this is a talented team it's not working right now. I see a repeat of 2006 coming if it don't turn soon.

gtcway
05-04-2014, 05:08 PM
The offense suckz ballz. That is all.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 05:10 PM
I could ask you the same question. I will ask this. Where do you see any thing to be positive about? This is baseball we will turn it around mentality might not come to pass, while this is a talented team it's not working right now. I see a repeat of 2006 coming if it don't turn soon.

This is a talented team and it's May 4th.
We were 17-12 at this point last year.
The Cardinals are below. 500.
The Dodgers were bad for half a season last year.
I don't understand the sky is falling mentality. It's frustrating to watch the team struggle so much. It's early, it's a long season, we were on a roll before this, several guys playing below their level, lots of wacky things happen in a month span in baseball, in both ways.
"Taking on the mentality of the fans." That's rich. Because Braves fans are so different from other fans :roll:

Hawk
05-04-2014, 05:20 PM
Fredi blathering on a bit again about crooked numbers. Is he superstitious?

http://www.ajc.com/videos/news/fredi-g-on-skidding-braves-sixth-straight-loss/vCZJLY/

He says he might shake up the lineup -- but "nothing drastic".

bravesnumberone
05-04-2014, 05:24 PM
Hey, we're still gonna be in first place.

BravesfanMike
05-04-2014, 05:33 PM
Can't possibly go much longer with Uggla at second....can they??!!

mossy
05-04-2014, 05:42 PM
Fredi blathering on a bit again about crooked numbers. Is he superstitious?

http://www.ajc.com/videos/news/fredi-g-on-skidding-braves-sixth-straight-loss/vCZJLY/

He says he might shake up the lineup -- but "nothing drastic".

What's he supposed to say? How he really feels may not be what the tells the media right?

Dropping six in a row feels terrible btw.

VirginiaBrave
05-04-2014, 05:43 PM
This is a talented team and it's May 4th.
We were 17-12 at this point last year.
The Cardinals are below. 500.
The Dodgers were bad for half a season last year.
I don't understand the sky is falling mentality. It's frustrating to watch the team struggle so much. It's early, it's a long season, we were on a roll before this, several guys playing below their level, lots of wacky things happen in a month span in baseball, in both ways.
"Taking on the mentality of the fans." That's rich. Because Braves fans are so different from other fans :roll:

The mentality comment goes both ways. There are a lot of you guys that seem to look at things with the idea that just because Braves is wrote across the jersey we are going to the playoffs. The fact is it could be that the team played over its head last month and if that's the case and these days of May turn out to be the real Braves. We won't sniff the playoffs.

cajunrevenge
05-04-2014, 05:44 PM
I could ask you the same question. I will ask this. Where do you see any thing to be positive about? This is baseball we will turn it around mentality might not come to pass, while this is a talented team it's not working right now. I see a repeat of 2006 coming if it don't turn soon.

Is being in first place not positive enough for you?

yeezus
05-04-2014, 05:46 PM
The mentality comment goes both ways. There are a lot of you guys that seem to look at things with the idea that just because Braves is wrote across the jersey we are going to the playoffs. The fact is it could be that the team played over its head last month and if that's the case and these days of May turn out to be the real Braves. We won't sniff the playoffs.

Yeah, that's it.
Not that fact that almost the same team won 96 games last year. No. It's because it says "Braves" on their jerseys.
It's not like they've been in the playoffs for 20 straight years and we take it for granted. Even if fans do take it for granted, that means nothing for the players. And if you're assuming the players take it for granted, you're an amazing psychologist.

VirginiaBrave
05-04-2014, 05:48 PM
Is being in first place not positive enough for you?

That won't be an issue too much longer if things don't change.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 05:50 PM
That won't be an issue too much longer if things don't change.

:stupid:

cajunrevenge
05-04-2014, 05:53 PM
The mentality comment goes both ways. There are a lot of you guys that seem to look at things with the idea that just because Braves is wrote across the jersey we are going to the playoffs. The fact is it could be that the team played over its head last month and if that's the case and these days of May turn out to be the real Braves. We won't sniff the playoffs.

Making the playoffs in something like 20 out of 25 years will do that to a person.

VirginiaBrave
05-04-2014, 05:54 PM
:stupid:

Last year has zip to do with this one, my friend.

bravesnumberone
05-04-2014, 05:58 PM
I doubt we're as bad as we've played the last week. If so, it was a lost cause from the beginning. We're playing like the Houston Astros right now.

cajunrevenge
05-04-2014, 05:58 PM
That won't be an issue too much longer if things don't change.

And some posters said that all last season. You only forgot to say the nats were about to go on a roll. No team is as bad of hitting over a full season as the braves have been the last 6 games. These things average out.

yeezus
05-04-2014, 05:59 PM
Last year has zip to do with this one, my friend.

Wrong. We won the divison by 10 games last year, meaning we have 9 games to borrow towards this year should we need them.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 06:01 PM
And some posters said that all last season. You only forgot to say the nats were about to go on a roll. No team is as bad of hitting over a full season as the braves have been the last 6 games. These things average out.

Kind of like (insert Braves player here) can't be as bad as last season. That whole saying is a load of crap. If a player sucks he won't get better simply because he can't repeat a terrible season again. Same holds true for any team.

VirginiaBrave
05-04-2014, 06:04 PM
Now whose ::stupid:
Wrong. We won the divison by 10 games last year, meaning we have 9 games to borrow towards this year should we need them.

nsacpi
05-04-2014, 06:11 PM
Harang will be huge tomorrow.

jsebe10
05-04-2014, 06:13 PM
In his case, it seems Virginia. :)

Stupid Commonwealth state!

yeezus
05-04-2014, 06:14 PM
Kind of like (insert Braves player here) can't be as bad as last season. That whole saying is a load of crap. If a player sucks he won't get better simply because he can't repeat a terrible season again. Same holds true for any team.

Right, because we suck.

AerchAngel
05-04-2014, 06:23 PM
Fire the hitting coach.

It can't hurt. It's not like he is earning his more than 100k salary.

bravesnumberone
05-04-2014, 06:24 PM
Harang will be huge tomorrow.

Meaning he won't give up more than one homer.

nsacpi
05-04-2014, 06:41 PM
Some OPS stats so far relative to Steamer projections going into today's game:

Heyward .641 (.806 projected at the start of the season)
BJ .626 (.674)
Freeman .910 (.859)
Justin .992 (.829)
Gattis .855 (.766)
Johnson .592 (.725)
Uggla .549 (.684)
Simmons .742 (.721)

So far we have four underperformers and four overperformers, but the underperformers are underperforming by a larger margin. Now a projection is not a guarantee. But it is based upon a larger sample than five weeks worth of games, so I have some confidence that going forward the performances during the rest of the season will be closer to the projections that what we have seen so far.

Our offensive performance so far has also been hurt by the sequencing of our hits (of which batting with RISP is a good short hand).

So far this season we have an overall batting average of .236 and a batting average with RISP of .214. The RISP numbers are based on a fairly small sample. Over a full season they will tend to converge to the overall average. Last year for example the differential between overall batting average and batting average with RISP was .002.

For the most part we just have to be patient and wait for performances to converge to projection and hitting with RISP to converge to overall hitting.

However, there are some things we can do. One is to look at the players that have both low performance and low projected performance. The name that jumps out is Uggla. We have discussed this exhaustively in other threads. I don't have anything new to add. I will simply repeat that it makes sense to start giving more playing time to alternatives at second. And this would make sense whether or not the team was struggling offensively.

The other suggestion I would make would be to increase Gattis' playing time slightly.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 06:45 PM
Hard to believe that Freeman was above .900 OPS coming into today. Even after his horrid week.

parkvadawg
05-04-2014, 06:48 PM
Honestly can't wait for the first Freeman isn't worth the money post. It's coming. Hell some on here don't think Justin is a good player

Bdawg2309
05-04-2014, 06:51 PM
This team has been terrible with RISP the past few years.

cajunrevenge
05-04-2014, 06:53 PM
Kind of like (insert Braves player here) can't be as bad as last season. That whole saying is a load of crap. If a player sucks he won't get better simply because he can't repeat a terrible season again. Same holds true for any team.

And your comparing a 6 game sample vs a full season sample. Even the worst teams average 3.5 runs a game.

zitothebrave
05-04-2014, 07:03 PM
This team has been terrible with RISP the past few years.

OPS w/RISP, Braves vs NL average

2013 - .732 vs .713
2012 - .697 vs .728
2011 - .714 vs .723
2010 - .775 vs .760

Basically we've been right around the league average. Not ideal you'd like to be better than average but terrible is an exaggeration, aside from 2012, we were terrible then.

nsacpi
05-04-2014, 07:06 PM
This team has been terrible with RISP the past few years.

.022 differential this year...meaning overall BA is higher by .022 than BA with RISP
-.002 differential in 2013...meaning we did slightly better with RISP
.016 differential in 2012
-.007 in 2011

Those numbers and those in Zito's post above show that there isn't really a systematic tendency on this team's part to have trouble hitting with RISP.

Julio3000
05-04-2014, 07:23 PM
Harang will be huge tomorrow.

Harang will be huge tomorrow, and every subsequent day.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 07:35 PM
And your comparing a 6 game sample vs a full season sample. Even the worst teams average 3.5 runs a game.

Too bad the Braves don't average 3.5 runs a game. If they did they would have 20 wins right now.

cajunrevenge
05-04-2014, 08:00 PM
Too bad the Braves don't average 3.5 runs a game. If they did they would have 20 wins right now.

Would you take an avatar bet that they will average over 3.5 runs per game for the season?

Russ2dollas
05-04-2014, 08:07 PM
There's not much we can do other than Uggla.

We just signed CJ with him struggling.

We need some guys to keep the line moving. We need OBP......do we have any other moves than benching Uggla?

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 08:11 PM
Would you take an avatar bet that they will average over 3.5 runs per game for the season?

3.5 is pretty attainable. They are at 3.3 now. I think they will crack that number. So I would have to decline.

Hawk
05-04-2014, 08:29 PM
What's he supposed to say?

More?

nsacpi
05-04-2014, 09:18 PM
There's not much we can do other than Uggla.

We just signed CJ with him struggling.

We need some guys to keep the line moving. We need OBP......do we have any other moves than benching Uggla?

The main move is what you mentioned...giving the other second base candidates more games.

Another move would be to slightly increase Gattis' playing time.

NinersSBChamps
05-04-2014, 11:32 PM
Another move would be to slightly increase Gattis' playing time.

That isn't happening. After the game today Gattis had to crawl into the locker room.

VirginiaBrave
05-05-2014, 12:09 AM
That isn't happening. After the game today Gattis had to crawl into the locker room.

Yeah I agree, unless the NL goes stupid and adopts the DH, Gattis' knees are going to shorten his career. Better enjoy him while he is here.

The Chosen One
05-05-2014, 12:19 AM
You can see how bad Gattis' knees are just from the way he runs. He has to use more core and arms to pick the legs up instead of hauling with his knees.

zitothebrave
05-05-2014, 06:07 AM
Yeah I agree, unless the NL goes stupid and adopts the DH, Gattis' knees are going to shorten his career. Better enjoy him while he is here.

He'll be fine for a few more years. What we'll see happen is the Braves brass will keep him around another year or 2, when he hits arby and starts getting expensive they'll pawn him off to the highest bidder.

UNCBlue012
05-05-2014, 10:46 AM
@Buster_ESPN: This week’s power rankings: 1. Milwaukee 2. Atlanta 3. Oakland 4. Detroit 5. Giants 6. Rockies 7. Dodgers 8. LAA 9. WAS 10. STL. Fire away. Interesting. He's still on the Braves wagon.

Millwood1Hitter
05-05-2014, 01:25 PM
Anyone from ESPN, including Buster, is a bafoon. I seriously doubt most of them don't even watch the game, and I doubt he even knows about our offensive struggles and losing streak. Somewhere, someplace I'm sure he is blabbering about the Yankees and how great Jeter is.