GDT #32: Cardinals @ Braves (May 6, 2014)

[NinersSBChamps]

St. Louis Cardinals Lineup
3B: Matt Carpenter
C: Yadier Molina
LF: Matt Holliday
1B: Matt Adams
SS: Jhonny Peralta
RF: Allen Craig
CF: Jon Jay
2B: Daniel Descalso
SP: Tyler Lyons

Braves
Jason 9
Justin 7
Frederick 3
CJ 5
Fredi 2
BJ 8
Uggla 4
Floyd 1
Simmons 6

EDIT: Fellow mods, let's not sticky this thread. This team doesn't deserve to have their GDT at the top of the site until they prove they can win a game. -Cy

[NinersSBChamps]

Mind blowing that Pena is on the bench and Uggla is back in there.

Actually it's really not surprising.

[Julio3000]

Owl probably hits 2 bombs and buys himself another six weeks.

[bravesnumberone]

Laird 5th? Are you ****ting me?

[nsacpi]

Mind blowing that Pena is on the bench and Uggla is back in there.

Actually it's really not surprising.

Its a joke. But not surprising as you said. I think Frank is going to have to do the dirty work for Fredi and release Dan. This whole saga reflects very badly on Fredi.

[gilesfan]

Vaunted 4-6 of CJ, Laird, and Uggs

[nsacpi]

Fredi has a secret desire to be fired.

[tululush]

Over/under June 1 as the day Uggla gets released?

[Julio3000]

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff511/poinsett/gerald_fif_zps666bc1a5.jpg

[CJC]

Frederick 3
CJ 5
Fredi 2


I get the joke, but putting Fredi in the lineup as C is confusing to those who don't.

[Hawk]

It now seems like the front office is putting some sort of pressure on Fredi to play Uggla as often as possible, hoping that some team will see something in him. The Braves simply releasing a player with that type of money owed is well, unprecedented -- and this is really the only explanation that I can conjure up as to why he's still playing (aside from sheer idiocy).

I do have faith the situation will resolve itself in short order, expedited by the Braves recent poor play.

[bravesnumberone]

BJ actually shows signs of life, and they put him behind Laird. The. Lulz.

[CJC]

It now seems like the front office is putting some sort of pressure on Fredi to play Uggla as often as possible, hoping that some team will see something in him. The Braves simply releasing a player with that type of money owed is well, unprecedented. I have faith the situation will resolve itself in short order.

He doesn't need to be released. He can be on the bench, then DLed with the slightest injury.

[Hawk]

He doesn't need to be released. He can be on the bench, then DLed with the slightest injury.

I highly doubt Uggla would go that gently into the good night.

[The Chosen One]

Please format the GDT properly.

[nsacpi]

It now seems like the front office is putting some sort of pressure on Fredi to play Uggla as often as possible, hoping that some team will see something in him. The Braves simply releasing a player with that type of money owed is well, unprecedented -- and this is really the only explanation that I can conjure up as to why he's still playing (aside from sheer idiocy).

I do have faith the situation will resolve itself in short order, expedited by the Braves recent poor play.

My read is the opposite. Fredi is the one who is afraid of upsetting his little brother.

[nsacpi]

I highly doubt Uggla would go that gently into the good night.

I understand how competitive he is and all that. But he needs to be able to put the team first and accept that its best interests would be served by him spending more time on the bench.

[Hawk]

My read is the opposite. Fredi is the one who is afraid of upsetting his little brother.

If that's true (and I suppose on some level it could be) then I would quickly realign myself as an advocate for Fredi's dismissal.

I've always thought Gonzalez was a strong, silent type of leader -- but this would indicate a sheer lack of backbone.

[57Brave]

Over/under June 1 as the day Uggla gets released?

Mike Schmidt retired on a May 30th (ish) after going through what Uggla is going through0

[zitothebrave]

Terrible lineup. But I like that he's hitting the pitcher 8. We have speedy guys who can't get on base

[Millwood1Hitter]

Fredi: "When you pitch and don't hit, you don't hit enough to pitch good, it wears on you, and we've pitched good, and we've hit ok, and we're still winning. Danny needed a rest, and think he's ready to bat."

[CyYoung31]

Why the **** is BJ batting behind Laird?

Oh, and fellow mods, let's not sticky this thread. This team doesn't deserve to have their GDT at the top of the site until they prove they can win a game.

[50PoundHead]

Mike Schmidt retired on a May 30th (ish) after going through what Uggla is going through0

Uggla has 24 million reasons not to flat-out retire. He can get released and collect the payday and someone can sign him for the minimum. Trouble is, I don't know what the minimum salary is in t-ball leagues.

[UNCBlue012]

Oh my. My Jesus. Why Laird 5th? Smh.

[UNCBlue012]

The negative of JUP in the two-hole is that our cleanup hitter now sits 1 of 3 games and we have NO cleanup hitter besides maybe BJ? I still woke Justin back in the cleanup spot and Simba or CJoh in the two-hole... something else.

[jpx7]

Trouble is, I don't know what the minimum salary is in t-ball leagues.

I think it's usually a Capri Sun and some orange-slices.

[Julio3000]

Fredi: "When you pitch and don't hit, you don't hit enough to pitch good, it wears on you, and we've pitched good, and we've hit ok, and we're still winning. Danny needed a rest, and think he's ready to bat."

If that's parody, it's brilliant. If not, it's word salad.

[PurpleBrave]

Terrible lineup. But I like that he's hitting the pitcher 8. We have speedy guys who can't get on base

Why not bat Simmons lead off ...isn't he one of our better contact hitters?

[NinersSBChamps]

Peralta has seen Floyd the most in their starting lineup. Hitting like .260 against him the last five seasons.

[gilesfan]

Why not bat Simmons lead off ...isn't he one of our better contact hitters?

Yes, but the whole getting on base thing is a problem.

[NinersSBChamps]

Yes, but the whole getting on base thing is a problem.
Seems like a team wide problem right now.

[stpeteirish]

Seems like a team wide problem right now.

Indeed. Its really impossible to construct a lineup when your entire team is hitting .180 like we've been. But CJ at clean up is mind blowingly dumb. He has 4 RBIs this year.

[NinersSBChamps]

Indeed. Its really impossible to construct a lineup when your entire team is hitting .180 like we've been. But CJ at clean up is mind blowingly dumb. He has 4 RBIs this year.
At this point it's hard to say if anything is dumb. Nothing has been working lately. I will give Fredi is props for trying different lineups and seeing if they can hit one game. My complaint today is that Pena is back on the bench.

[gilesfan]

holy ****

[NinersSBChamps]

holy ****

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090804082934/wikiality/images/0/01/OrlyTaitzOwl.jpg

[weso1]

For some reason this organization believes Laird is a good hitter. I don't know why, but they really do.

[NinersSBChamps]

For some reason this organization believes Laird is a good hitter. I don't know why, but they really do.

Every game he does something positive to help the team win.
/Joe

[jsebe10]

Floyd's fastball is as flat as snake nuts. Lol

[jsebe10]

Soooooo are we protesting on posting tonight or something?

[drewdat]

I just don't want to jinx the no-hitter.

[stpeteirish]

can anybody remember the last time we scored first?

[thewupk]

our last win against cincy?

[cajunrevenge]

Just made a restaraunt regret having an all you can eat boiled crawfish special, dont know that its gonna help the braves but it can't hurt.

[tvsportscaster]

The Braves are getting schooled by a pitcher with an ERA over 6 and they haven't even gotten any good swings. Unbelievable.

[stpeteirish]

our last win against cincy?

yeah, I guess if you break a 0-0 tie in the tenth its "scoring first". I guess I meant scoring early in the game to get ahead.

We're taking it to a new level tonight. No hits, no walks, nuthin.

Not that big a step down from what we've done lately.

[Five]

Even when he makes a great play, he still ****s it up.

[bravesnumberone]

SOS

[Runnin]

lol at Uggla. Can't even throw it to 1st.

[weso1]

Floyd's wind up is a lot like Greg Maddux's wind up. Anyone else notice that?

[stpeteirish]

my God, a lead

[Julio3000]

MAYPRIL

[bravesnumberone]

Would have been nice to have that last night.

[weso1]

Upton hits some majestic bombs.

[Runnin]

We scored first!

[jpack1]

J Up can hit that pitch.

[cajunrevenge]

A lead! Release the kimbrel before its too late!

[stpeteirish]

if this game is anything ilke the past 7 we give up a run in the next two AB's.

[Runnin]

The Braves are getting schooled by a pitcher with an ERA over 6 and they haven't even gotten any good swings. Unbelievable.
? After the HR Lyons is at 3.79.

[jsebe10]

Boy network sure does drill AT&T into your fckn noggin...goodness.

[stpeteirish]

if this game is anything ilke the past 7 we give up a run in the next two AB's.

so its different now...hope

[jsebe10]

Sh1111111tttttt! Laird bought himself another game in the 5 hole tomorrow.

[cajunrevenge]

Oil change place offering money off for every braves run? I say we burn that place down as an offering to the baseball gods.

[bravesnumberone]

Sh1111111tttttt! Laird bought himself another game in the 5 hole tomorrow.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/technology/technology/2013/07/130719_TECH_StringerBell.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

[bravesnumberone]

Laird helped us clear the pitcher. :YDS:

[Five]

Even Gavin Floyd can put the ball in play. Unlike those two bozo's that hit before him.

[MURF21]

Let's all stop for a moment and reflect on how lucky we are to live in a land where BJ and Uggsy can bat back to back. And BJ can still at least hit the ground with his own dynamic bat.

[jsebe10]

Damn Cliff Lee has a good hook!!! That's Cliff Lee we 're facing right?

[stpeteirish]

Simmons now has the strikeout bug. That's more this week than the first month.

[Five]

Damn Cliff Lee has a good hook!!! That's Cliff Lee we 're facing right?

Wait....it isn't? WTF is going on?

[Runnin]

Looks like Bud Selig sitting behind home plate.

[cajunrevenge]

Well, it was fun having a lead for a few minutes.

[zitothebrave]

Jesus Jason, stop hitting popups

[cajunrevenge]

Freeman endorsing a wireless carrier just doesn't have the same effect after he signed his big contract. Everything must look like a bargain when you make 120 million over 8 years.

[jsebe10]

Good god. This kid is literally telling you the curve is coming and they still can't hit it.

[drewdat]

GG Laird

[AerchAngel]

Fredi stole Lockhart pitchers and begged to bat 5th, lulz!!

[UNCBlue012]

Heck of a start for Floyd!

[yeezus]

This will be a fun AB.

[UNCBlue012]

Get rid of Uggla. Man does nothing.

[jpack1]

Another Uggla fail. Who would have thought.

[stpeteirish]

way to move the runner over, Dan

[yeezus]

LOL.
Fredi is a terrible manager for the simple fact that he keeps trotting Uggla out there. Plain and simple, that makes him a dumb manager. Uggla provides absolutely NOTHING of value and still plays. Has this ever happened before, a player so all-around terrible still playing almost every day?

[yeezus]

way to move the runner over, Dan

He does literally nothing positive on a baseball diamond. Absolutely nothing. He's a huge detriment, and still plays. He must have some compromising photos of somebody. How long does this last?

[jpack1]

This is just comical.

[UNCBlue012]

Doumit swings at two flat out awful fastballs. This is unbelievable how much this team sucks right now. Simba kills it and we can't do anything still.

[50PoundHead]

Heck of a start for Floyd!

Yeah, he hit the wall. Fredi thought it was best not to meddle with him. But he was an animal tonight. Almost makes me wish I were there. I say to Floyd, shine on you crazy diamond.

[Five]

Team is pathetic.

[CyYoung31]

LOL.
Fredi is a terrible manager for the simple fact that he keeps trotting Uggla out there. Plain and simple, that makes him a dumb manager. Uggla provides absolutely NOTHING of value and still plays. Has this ever happened before, a player so all-around terrible still playing almost every day?

Melky Cabrera.

[stpeteirish]

we've got no bench.

[yeezus]

Any Fredi apologists want to defend him on the Uggla front? Or is it universally accepted how assinine it is to keep putting him out there? Have some balls Fredi.

[UNCBlue012]

You can't win if the team won't help itself. Fundamentals and we get a run there more than not.

[jpack1]

Another fail. I was screaming to PH Uggla so maybe Fredi would bunt BJ to 3rd. But no way you can slugger Uggla to move a runner to help your team win. It's stuff like this that makes people hate Fredi. It's such a double standard he holds players to. No way Uggla can bunt or hit to RF even though he sucks.

[yeezus]

Melky Cabrera.

Melky was terrible for one season with us, otherwise he wasn't nearly as bad as Uggla has been for 2+ years. And he's a decent to good player now.
Try again.

[jsebe10]

Yeah, he hit the wall. Fredi thought it was best not to meddle with him. But he was an animal tonight. Almost makes me wish I were there. I say to Floyd, shine on you crazy diamond.

I little Pink....I can dig it.

[Fredi Gonzalez]

If you don't like it down vote me.... oh wait.

[jsebe10]

Any Fredi apologists want to defend him on the Uggla front? Or is it universally accepted how assinine it is to keep putting him out there? Have some balls Fredi.

The only thing I like is Fedi's dedication to his players. But enough is enough with Dan. I don't blame Fredi for Dan, I blame Dan...and he can go to hell.

[CyYoung31]

Yeah, he hit the wall. Fredi thought it was best not to meddle with him. But he was an animal tonight. Almost makes me wish I were there. I say to Floyd, shine on you crazy diamond.

Yeah, I had high hopes for Floyd tonight and he was money. He truly eclipsed my expectations, and all of the ones who were doubtful of him must have brain damage.

[yeezus]

The only thing I like is Fedi's dedication to his players. But enough is enough with Dan. I don't blame Fredi for Dan, I blame Dan...and he can go to hell.

Well, I'm not sure I like the dedication then, if it means Uggla is still playing. It is amazing.

[CyYoung31]

Melky was terrible for one season with us, otherwise he wasn't nearly as bad as Uggla has been for 2+ years. And he's a decent to good player now.
Try again.

I'm talking about when he was with us. And no, Uggla has only been terrible for 6 months now. That's still too long though.

Besides, I was half-kidding anyway. I don't get the snarky response.

[50PoundHead]

Yeah, I had high hopes for Floyd tonight and he was money. He truly eclipsed my expectations, and all of the ones who were doubtful of him must have brain damage.

We can keep going, but it is going to be very difficult to work in Ummagumma.

[mossy]

Any Fredi apologists want to defend him on the Uggla front? Or is it universally accepted how assinine it is to keep putting him out there? Have some balls Fredi.

Do you know for a fact that trotting Uggla out there is his wish? Given what he's paid, it's not a simple decision.

It sucks that Dan lost all his skill, but there is no easy solution.

Perhaps you should apply to be the Braves manager.

[yeezus]

I'm talking about when he was with us. And no, Uggla has only been terrible for 6 months now. That's still too long though.

Besides, I was half-kidding anyway. I don't get the snarky response.

6 months?
Even if he was putting up a .750 OPS, with his terrible defense and complete lack of fundamentals, he'd be a terrible player.

[CyYoung31]

Whoever keeps stickying this thread is going to be the reason we lose tonight.

[yeezus]

Do you know for a fact that trotting Uggla out there is his wish? Given what he's paid, it's not a simple decision.

It sucks that Dan lost all his skill, but there is no easy solution.

Perhaps you should apply to be the Braves manager.

If he was able to sit him down for the playoffs, if they were cool with ditching Lowe and his salary and Kawakami and his salary, it's probably safe to assume this is Fredi's call. He and Dan are boys.

[CyYoung31]

6 months?
Even if he was putting up a .750 OPS, with his terrible defense and complete lack of fundamentals, he'd be a terrible player.

Hitting for power and getting on base is a nice asset. He's not doing that anymore though. I don't really understand why you are turning this into an argument when I'm essentially agreeing with you.

[stpeteirish]

If he was able to sit him down for the playoffs, if they were cool with ditching Lowe and his salary and Kawakami and his salary, it's probably safe to assume this is Fredi's call. He and Dan are boys.

can't go on much longer, Fredi's only got so much power. Its on Wren. He has a vested interest in Uggla turning it around too, more than Fredi, actually.

[CyYoung31]

Heyward is pissing me off.

[jsebe10]

Ugly AB from Heyward, but I bet he has the straightest belt buckle on the field.

[mossy]

can't go on much longer, Fredi's only got so much power. Its on Wren. He has a vested interest in Uggla turning it around too, more than Fredi, actually.

Bingo, Fredi has done all he can with Uggla. Wren needs to call the shot and release him.

[yeezus]

Hitting for power and getting on base is a nice asset. He's not doing that anymore though. I don't really understand why you are turning this into an argument when I'm essentially agreeing with you.

You're kind of agreeing, but saying he's only been bad for 6 months is just not accurate. He's been a bad player for years now, and terrible for a good amount of that time.

[stpeteirish]

really need to try to steal a base here. We ain't getting two more hits.

[yeezus]

Bingo, Fredi has done all he can with Uggla. Wren needs to call the shot and release him.

Fredi definitely has the power to bench him more.

[The Chosen One]

"Pull one the other way".

Good line Chip.

[yeezus]

This rut this offense is in is almost unheard of. Not one player is having any kind of a clutch at-bat.

[mossy]

Fredi definitely has the power to bench him more.

Sure, but wouldn't it be better to just let him go? If Pastornicky is better in every way, and La Stella is apparently almost ready.....time to do something that matters long term.

[nsacpi]

Fredi definitely has the power to bench him more.

For sure. The GM gets the players. The manager decides who plays.

[The Chosen One]

Woooooo

[UNCBlue012]

FREEMAN! Great. Come on CJOH!

[The Chosen One]

For sure. The GM gets the players. The manager decides who plays.

The GM can tell the manager to give so and so more playing time to see if there's any value left in order for the GM to make a move.

[yeezus]

Uh oh, RISP.
Here come two Ks.

[yeezus]

The GM can tell the manager to give so and so more playing time to see if there's any value left in order for the GM to make a move.

Safe to say that's NOT happening with Uggla, as he has negative value to any team. He has negative value to a minor league team.

[stpeteirish]

Uh oh, RISP.
Here come two Ks.

So who pinch hits for Laird? Just need a single. Pena?

[jsebe10]

Go with Gattis next?

[CyYoung31]

You're kind of agreeing, but saying he's only been bad for 6 months is just not accurate. He's been a bad player for years now, and terrible for a good amount of that time.

So, he was bad in 2011? 2012? No. He wasn't great, but a .750 OPS and 20+ homers from your 2nd baseman is nothing to be ashamed of.

[bravesnumberone]

Go with Gattis next?

Should have been used last inning.

[The Chosen One]

OMG OMG OMG OMG

[UNCBlue012]

JOHNSON!!!

[CyYoung31]

BABIP?

[jpack1]

A break. We lead!!,!,!

[nsacpi]

Lord BABIP. Great AB.

[bravesnumberone]

Someone finally removes their thumb from their ass and steps up.

[The Chosen One]

Safe to say that's NOT happening with Uggla, as he has negative value to any team. He has negative value to a minor league team.

Of course it is for us... but for Wren there's about 24 million reasons to at least see and hold on until the very end.

[yeezus]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[mossy]

CJ!!!!!!!

[TURBO]

woooooooooooooooooo

[The Chosen One]

LOL Laird

[50PoundHead]

6 months?
Even if he was putting up a .750 OPS, with his terrible defense and complete lack of fundamentals, he'd be a terrible player.

I have been saying this for years. Don't know if you are convert to that way of thinking, but Uggla is terrible.

[nsacpi]

Does Kimbrel remember how to save a game?

[yeezus]

Ugh...Laird.
Fredi, man.

[bravesnumberone]

****ING MORONIC.

[jpack1]

Farking Lard

[Five]

Lmao. Call a squeeze with a horrendous bunting team. Good one Fredi.

[AerchAngel]

Fire the hitting coach who is responsible for bunts now. TOMORROW. This is pathetic.

[jpack1]

Lard/Fredi just can't do anything right.

[The Chosen One]

Attaboy Laird.

We might actually win a game!?!?!

[jsebe10]

Fat ass

[mossy]

Wow, we sure know how to bang out a rally.

[bravesnumberone]

Fire the hitting coach who is responsible for bunts now. TOMORROW. This is pathetic.

I would fire Fredi for that ****. Laird is about the last guy I want in a squeeze play. Way to run yourself out of a potentially big inning.

[jpack1]

Such epic fail. My Word. Fredi sucks as a manager nay not go with Gattis there. He just doesn't give his team the best chance to win, which is what a manager is supposed to do.

[The Chosen One]

Win 2-1 today, then 3-1 tomorrow, then 4-0 Friday...

[drewdat]

Nice to see Laird make the most of his RBI opportunities hitting 5th.

[CyYoung31]

Attaboy Laird.

We might actually win a game!?!?!

My non-GDT-sticking ploy may have worked. It's too bad you couldn't stick with it, otherwise we may have scored 10 runs.

[The Chosen One]

Such epic fail. My Word. Fredi sucks as a manager nay not go with Gattis there. He just doesn't give his team the best chance to win, which is what a manager is supposed to do.

Laird is either going to K or ground out or pop up in that at-bat... bunt was actually a high percentage play with Laird.

[The Chosen One]

My non-GDT-sticking ploy may have worked. It's too bad you couldn't stick with it, otherwise we may have scored 10 runs.

Wasn't me.

[yeezus]

So, he was bad in 2011? 2012? No. He wasn't great, but a .750 OPS and 20+ homers from your 2nd baseman is nothing to be ashamed of.

He was terrible for half the year in 2011.
He was bad first half 2012, terrible 2nd half.
Terrible last year.
He put up an OPS of over .750 ONE HALF since 2011.
All of this combined with terrible defense makes a bad player. A .720 OPS from a terrible defender at 2B makes for a horrible player.

[jsebe10]

Laird is either going to K or ground out or pop up in that at-bat... bunt was actually a high percentage play with Laird.

Agreed. I don't mind the squeeze call there. It's on fat titts not to miss the bunt. Hell he threw him a fastball for god sakes.

[stpeteirish]

Idiotic. Instead of Pinch hitting he tries a squeeze. And Schafer and Pena both available, I think they can bunt. (leap of faith to think anyone on this team can bunt)

[The Chosen One]

Agreed. I don't mind the squeeze call there. It's on fat titts not to miss the bunt. Hell he threw him a fastball for god sakes.

Laird probably didn't wanna get called for catcher's interference.

[bravesnumberone]

Laird is either going to K or ground out or pop up in that at-bat... bunt was actually a high percentage play with Laird.

WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION WHY IS ONE OF OUR BEST HITTERS IN GATTIS NOT BROUGHT IN THERE???????????????

[jsebe10]

Idiotic. Instead of Pinch hitting he tries a squeeze. And Schafer and Pena both available, I think they can bunt. (leap of faith to think anyone on this team can bunt)

Only person that should have hit for Laird was Gattis.

[The Chosen One]

Idiotic. Instead of Pinch hitting he tries a squeeze. And Schafer and Pena both available, I think they can bunt. (leap of faith to think anyone on this team can bunt)

Schafer and Pena have both failed at bunting this season...

Laird has actually been an OK bunter with us.

[yeezus]

Can we all admit Fredi makes 100% boneheaded decisions almost nightly? Finally?

[The Chosen One]

WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION WHY IS ONE OF OUR BEST HITTERS IN GATTIS NOT BROUGHT IN THERE???????????????

Gattis has played a lot the last week. Day off is a day off.

[TURBO]

I made a closer in the Show 14 today. I used Kimbrels delivery. Goods signs.

[bravesnumberone]

Gattis has played a lot the last week. Day off is a day off.

If he can't get up there for one at bat and catch one inning, we can forget relying on him. It was a completely idiotic decision. But whatever. Let's go Kimbrel.

[stpeteirish]

Ugglas OPS as a Brave 2011 764 2012 732 2013 671 this year 528

Notice a trend?

[mossy]

He was terrible for half the year in 2011.
He was bad first half 2012, terrible 2nd half.
Terrible last year.
He put up an OPS of over .750 ONE HALF since 2011.
All of this combined with terrible defense makes a bad player. A .720 OPS from a terrible defender at 2B makes for a horrible player.

That's on Wren for not finding some other solution then right?

[The Chosen One]

If he can't get up there for one at bat and catch one inning, we can forget relying on him. It was a completely idiotic decision. But whatever. Let's go Kimbrel.

I'm ok with Gattis starting 4/5 games.

No need to be pissed because the kid needs a day off. He already historically has bad knees.

[CyYoung31]

He was terrible for half the year in 2011.
He was bad first half 2012, terrible 2nd half.
Terrible last year.
He put up an OPS of over .750 ONE HALF since 2011.
All of this combined with terrible defense makes a bad player. A .720 OPS from a terrible defender at 2B makes for a horrible player.

It's what you do on the whole season that matters. Again, you're taking an agreement and turning it into an argument.

[jpack1]

Winner winner

[UNCBlue012]

FINALLY YAYAYAY

[zitothebrave]

**** YEAH! So ****ing glad that losing streak is over.

[TURBO]

http://li.c-b.co/is/image/LandOfNod/Letter_Giant_Enough_W_234214_LL/$web_zoom$&wid=550&hei=550&/1308310656/not-giant-enough-letter-w.jpg

[The Chosen One]

Winner winner

Cock Dinner

[bravesnumberone]

Welp, bout freaking time. They owe us about two weeks of winning. Hope this fuels one. No more mothereffin squeeze plays until a bunting instructor is hired.

[yeezus]

That's on Wren for not finding some other solution then right?

The contract is on Wren, makes it hard to find a replacement. No doubt.
But at this point La Stella and Pastor are better options for the simple fact that, even if they don't hit, they aren't inept defensively and fundamentally like Uggla.

[The Chosen One]

As Julio would say... we've staved off elimination for one more day.

[mossy]

Kickin it old school....

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/JamieSanders/aceventura.gif (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/JamieSanders/media/aceventura.gif.html)

[50PoundHead]

What's it called when you've scored more runs than the other team when you are done playing? I seem to have forgotten what that phenomenon is called.

[jsebe10]

Sh1t man we gotta face Wainwright tom!?! Damn man.

[The Chosen One]

What's it called when you've scored more runs than the other team when you are done playing? I seem to have forgotten what that phenomenon is called.

Any other team it's called winning. But since our team is managed by Fredi it's called not losing.

-Board Curmudgeons.

[mossy]

The contract is on Wren, makes it hard to find a replacement. No doubt.
But at this point La Stella and Pastor are better options for the simple fact that, even if they don't hit, they aren't inept defensively and fundamentally like Uggla.

Agreed. But if you are in a management position, it must simply be too hard to sit an expensive piece. I'd be elated never to see Dan again. Pastornicky is a young, hungry player, wish we could just hand him the job and see what happens.

Here we go, Uggla and Laird to AZ for Prado. That should do it.

[The Chosen One]

Hmmm.

Looks like Harang will be the one hung.

Minor
Wood
Teheran
Santana
Floyd

[bravesnumberone]

Part of me would have laughed so hard if Kimbrel had given up a run, and some of you still tried to defend Fredi's managing in the bottom of the 8th.

[bravesnumberone]

Agreed. But if you are in a management position, it must simply be too hard to sit an expensive piece. I'd be elated never to see Dan again. Pastornicky is a young, hungry player, wish we could just hand him the job and see what happens.

Here we go, Uggla and Laird to AZ for Prado. That should do it.

Cue all the people bitching about Prado's OPS or whatever.

[mossy]

Cue all the people bitching about Prado's OPS or whatever.

We're Braves fans. Bitching is what we do.

[50PoundHead]

Hmmm.

Looks like Harang will be the one hung.

Minor
Wood
Teheran
Santana
Floyd

It will be interesting. One option--not suggesting this--would be Wood to the bullpen seeing the uneven performance of Avilan and Thomas' coming up short.

[nsacpi]

Agreed. But if you are in a management position, it must simply be too hard to sit an expensive piece. I'd be elated never to see Dan again. Pastornicky is a young, hungry player, wish we could just hand him the job and see what happens.

Here we go, Uggla and Laird to AZ for Prado. That should do it.

See the Milwaukee Brewers, Rickie Weeks and Scooter Gennett.

[50PoundHead]

Agreed. But if you are in a management position, it must simply be too hard to sit an expensive piece. I'd be elated never to see Dan again. Pastornicky is a young, hungry player, wish we could just hand him the job and see what happens.

Here we go, Uggla and Laird to AZ for Prado. That should do it.

I can guarantee you he's not as hungry as Laird.

[The Chosen One]

We're Braves fans. Bitching is what we do.

Not really.

I only bitch about the posters bitching all the time on here.

Game is a game. It's amazing how emotionally over the top invested some people will go when we don't win.

[The Chosen One]

Brian Jordan: "David Carpenting"

[50PoundHead]

Brian Jordan: "David Carpenting"

At least he didn't say carpet tacks.

[NinersSBChamps]

Winning.

[tvsportscaster]

It will be interesting. One option--not suggesting this--would be Wood to the bullpen seeing the uneven performance of Avilan and Thomas' coming up short.

Yeah, I think that's what they're going to do. Coincindentally, Wood is scheduled to start again Sunday, which would be the perfect amount of time for Gavin Floyd to come back and start. That coupled with the need for a second lefty in the bullpen and wanting to limit Wood's inning makes the move logical.

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

[CyYoung31]

I was wondering why Floyd's delivery looked nothing like I remember, and then I realized that I was thinking of Brett Myers.

[Runnin]

Congrats to rico43 for getting us the win. At least our minor leaguers know how to win.

[Runnin]

Brian Jordan: "David Carpenting"
Or was is David Carpeting?

[USMA76]

I don't know how many others are in a similar situation but I live in the Cardinals broadcast footprint so I'm forced to watch their games against the Braves on their regional Fox sports network rather than Atlanta's.

On the plus side their broadcasters are knowledgable. However, I've never listened to a more smug, condescending, and arrogant group in my life. Maybe if we had their postseason success, we'd be the same way but, as it is, it's just annoying.

[cajunrevenge]

I looked at the standings to see how many games back we were for 4th place in the division and low and behold we are somehow in first. I could have sworn we were a lock for the #1 pick next year.

[rico43]

Part of me would have laughed so hard if Kimbrel had given up a run, and some of you still tried to defend Fredi's managing in the bottom of the 8th.

Then you are no fan of the Braves. Respectfully request you change your name or find a team you can cheer for. Posts like this make me nostalgic for the ignore button over on Scout.

[The Chosen One]

I'm guessing when he said he would have laughed, he meant it as to be sarcastic sick and twisted humor by the baseball gods to torture us with a losing streak and possibly extend our losing streak by snatching victory from the jaws of victory, and Kimbrel giving up a run would've made him laugh instead of flipping his desk over...

After the last week of Braves baseball, if Kimbrel had indeed blown the save, I don't know what I would do. I'd probably laugh too like wow this is really painful.

[The Chosen One]

Actually rico... you and bravesnumberone would get a long fine as he's a reporter for a newspaper... :Bunchie1:

[Julio3000]

Welll, I'm pleased to find out that we're safe from elimination for at least one more day.

[yeezus]

I looked at the standings to see how many games back we were for 4th place in the division and low and behold we are somehow in first. I could have sworn we were a lock for the #1 pick next year.

BUT THIS TEAM IS HORRIBLE!!!!

[jpack1]

This team can, should and is sometimes, be very good. That's the frustrating part.

[nsacpi]

This team can, should and is sometimes, be very good. That's the frustrating part.

Yeah, I would prefer they be very good all of the time.

[The Chosen One]

Welll, I'm pleased to find out that we're safe from elimination for at least one more day.

http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1629&page=9&p=109059#post109059

[Julio3000]

http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1629&page=9&p=109059#post109059

Sorry I missed the non-elimination celebration. Glad you had it covered.

[bravesnumberone]

Then you are no fan of the Braves. Respectfully request you change your name or find a team you can cheer for. Posts like this make me nostalgic for the ignore button over on Scout.

Get over yourself. I wasn't really serious. I'll put my fanhood up against anyone. We're all on the same team here. It was a tongue and cheek comment.

[bravesnumberone]

I'm guessing when he said he would have laughed, he meant it as to be sarcastic sick and twisted humor by the baseball gods to torture us with a losing streak and possibly extend our losing streak by snatching victory from the jaws of victory, and Kimbrel giving up a run would've made him laugh instead of flipping his desk over...

After the last week of Braves baseball, if Kimbrel had indeed blown the save, I don't know what I would do. I'd probably laugh too like wow this is really painful.

Yes, it would have been more like when people laugh when everything is going wrong and you don't care anymore. Next time I'll clarify.

[NinersSBChamps]

Get over yourself. I wasn't really serious. I'll put my fanhood up against anyone. We're all on the same team here. It was a tongue and cheek comment.

You haven't realized that when you aren't all sunshine and rainbows with your team immediately your fandom is questioned. It's pretty much the standard here.

[jpx7]

You haven't realized that when you aren't all sunshine and rainbows with your team immediately your fandom is questioned. It's pretty much the standard here.

It's not not being all sunshine and rainbows; it's the This team is HORRIBLE! hyperbole.

[yeezus]

You haven't realized that when you aren't all sunshine and rainbows with your team immediately your fandom is questioned. It's pretty much the standard here.

False.
When people incessantly bitch about the team as a whole, or call them "horrible"? Yeah, that's dumb. I have my reservations about the team the same as anyone else, but I'd say I'm hopeful and optimistic on the whole (as anyone who knows anything about baseball should be about this team).

[NinersSBChamps]

False.
When people incessantly bitch about the team as a whole, or call them "horrible"? Yeah, that's dumb. I have my reservations about the team the same as anyone else, but I'd say I'm hopeful and optimistic on the whole (as anyone who knows anything about baseball should be about this team).

So people who aren't optimistic don't know anything about baseball. Makes too much sense.

[yeezus]

So people who aren't optimistic don't know anything about baseball. Makes too much sense.

There's little logical reason to be pessimistic about this squad, as a whole. We were the youngest team in baseball last year and won 96 games. We've been terrible offensively and are in 1st. So yes, if you're pessimistic, it's just kind of silly and you're a natural whiner.