NFL Draft Thread

[zitothebrave]

About to start, will keep this pinned through the weekend

"The Falcons will "not sell the farm for anyone at the top of the draft, and will go left tackle at No. 6." - Peter King

I like Orlando Ledbetter's mock. Basically has Buffalo trading up to 6 to take Lewan and the Falcons taking Zack Martin at 9. Don't love Martin, but I wouldn't complain if we got buffalo's 2. That's 3 starters.

Results Round 1

1. Texans - Jadeveon Clowney DE -USC East
2. Rams - Greg Robinson OT - Aweburn
3. Jags - Blake Bortles QB - UCF
4. Buffalo - Sammy Watkins WR - CLemson
5. Raiders - Khalil Mack OLB - Buffalo
6. Falcons - Jake Matthews OT - TA&M
7. Bucs - Mike Evans WR - TA&M
8. Browns - Justin Gilbert CB - OK St
9. Vikings - Anthony Barr OLB - UCLA
10. Pussies - Eric Ebron TE - UNC
11. Titans - Taylor Lewan OT - Michigan
12. Giants - Odell Beckham Jr WR - LSU
13. Rams - Aaron Donald DT - Pitt
14. Bears - Kyle Fuller CB - VT
15. Steelers - Ryan Shazier OLB - OSU
16. Cowgirls - Zack Martin OG - ND
17. Ravesn - CJ Mosely ILB - Bama
18. Jets - Calvin Pryor S - Louisville
19. DOlphins - Ju'wuan James OT - Tenn
20. Saints - Brandin COoks WR - OST
21. Fudge Packers - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S - Bama
22. Browns - Johnny Manziel QB - TA&M
23. Chefs - Dee Ford DE Auburn
24. Beengals - Darqueze Dennard CB - MSU
25. Chahjas - Jason Verrett CB - TCU
26. Iggles - Marcus Smith DE - Louisville
27. Cards - Deone Buchannon S -- WaSt
28. Panties - Kelvin Benjamin WR - FSU
29. Cheatriots - Dominque Easley DT - Gayturds
30. Niners - Jimmie Ward SS - No Ill
31. Broncos - Bradley Roby CB - OSU
32. Vikings - Teddy Bridgewater QB - Louisville

[TURBO]

ESPN overdoes everything.

[bravesnumberone]

Falcons must get some immediate impact players on the lines of scrimmage.

[zitothebrave]

ESPN overdoes everything.

Duh, why do you think I hate the NBA so much? Wha'ts the sports center top 10? It's a bunch of dunks. OMG I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE!!!!

[bravesnumberone]

Lol Goodell.

[cajunrevenge]

Praying Falcons trade the farm for Clowney.

[zitothebrave]

Lol Goodell.

Loved how he was booed.

[TURBO]

Hey Zeet, you should edit your the original post with the picks as the draft happens.

[zitothebrave]

I'll do it for tonight once they're official. Work through the weekend though so I won't be able to do it then.

[bravesnumberone]

That's going to be a sick defensive line.

[zitothebrave]

That's going to be a sick defensive line.

Yeah, Stick him and Watt on the same side and watch offensive lines **** themselves.

[Heyward]

Smart pick.

Smart of the Falcons not to trade the farm for Clowney.

Rumors they might move up for Mack though.

Figure they take one of Lewan/Matthews/Robinson.

[zitothebrave]

Moving up for Mack probably doesn't cost them their 2, probably their 1 and next years 3 or something like that unless Cleveland is super greedy. But I think Mack is about to come off the board though.

[bravesnumberone]

LOL time for Twitter to melt down.

[zitothebrave]

Well, I like Bortles more than Johnny Manziel. I'm shocked the Jags did the smart thing.

[zitothebrave]

Bills move up to 4. I'm guessing here goes Mack. ****ers.

[Heyward]

Falcons will get Mack or Matthews.

[zitothebrave]

Man, pretty pretty please have Oakland take an OT, Evans or Manziel. Please please please let Mack fall to 6. Falcons are locked into a great player though.

[bravesnumberone]

Watkins. Wow. I don't know whether the Falcons should go Mack or tackle now.

[zitothebrave]

Watkins. Wow. I don't know whether the Falcons should go Mack or tackle now.

Mack. Got to take BPA if it's at a position of need.

[zitothebrave]

****

[bravesnumberone]

OT it is.

[Heyward]

Falcons should take Matthews or Lewan whichever they like more.

[zitothebrave]

Falcons should take Matthews or Lewan whichever they like more.

I'm hoping the Lions trade up to number 6. They may for Evans who may be gone.

[TURBO]

So if Bucs dont take Manziel, how far will he fall?

edit: I guess Viking could take him, but I doubt it.

[bravesnumberone]

So if Bucs dont take Manziel, how far will he fall?

Minnesota maybe?

[bravesnumberone]

Good deal.

[zitothebrave]

Jake is gonna work out well. Can play LT or RT. He will be a big improvement over all the turds.

[Krovahn]

****

Lol.

[zitothebrave]

Do you guys think that Jon Gruden likes Johnny Manziel? I"m really not sure he does.

[zitothebrave]

Smart move by the Bucs. Take BPA. Cleveland now if the position to get Johnny football and have an extra 1 next year.

[bravesnumberone]

Not looking forward to having to face Evans.

[zitothebrave]

Not looking forward to having to face Evans.

Thankfully we have some nice corners. Get someoen to pressure th eQB in the second and we will have a solid defense.

[bravesnumberone]

OHHHHHH

[zitothebrave]

Lol Cleveland.

[The Chosen One]

Lol Johnny passed over again. Way to exciteb the base Cleveland.

[zitothebrave]

Cleveland must be waiting for a bargain QB. That's been working for them in the past lol

[bravesnumberone]

Lol Johnny passed over again. Way to exciteb the base Cleveland.

They should have never been brought back. Lulz.

[TURBO]

I think Gruden may explode.

[weso1]

Great pick for the Falcons.

Folks are bashing Cleveland, but they are having a great draft. Got a likely high #1 next year and got an elite cover corner this year. Plus an extra pick in this draft. I honestly think they are having the best draft right now.

So far I think the only loser in this draft is Jacksonville.

[zitothebrave]

Interesting pick. Barr is sick talent. Coudl be a highly rewarding pick.

[weso1]

Ok, I take that back. The last 2 picks have been hugely questionable.

[zitothebrave]

Lions. Hahaha. They already have a high pick TE. Must be trying to go for a pats type of system with lots of 2 TE situations.

[bravesnumberone]

That's a solid pick for the Vikings.

[zitothebrave]

Great pick for the Falcons.

Folks are bashing Cleveland, but they are having a great draft. Got a likely high #1 next year and got an elite cover corner this year. Plus an extra pick in this draft. I honestly think they are having the best draft right now.

So far I think the only loser in this draft is Jacksonville.

Bortles could be one of the best QBs in the NFL if he finely tunes his skills. He's not a polished out of college QB. But he could follow the Roethlisberger/Flacco mold.

[The Chosen One]

Elite corners are rare. Don't think they got one.

Can't win games without a qb...

I guess they take Bridgewater at 25. Manziel to Dallas.

[weso1]

Bortles could be one of the best QBs in the NFL if he finely tunes his skills. He's not a polished out of college QB. But he could follow the Roethlisberger/Flacco mold.

Maybe, but three is a pretty early pick for a maybe at QB. Plus he's going to inevitably be contrasted with Manziel.

[weso1]

Elite corners are rare. Don't think they got one.

Can't win games without a qb...

I guess they take Bridgewater at 25. Manziel to Dallas.

Not an elite corner, but an elite cover corner. I mean they got a great cover corner and a 1st rounder next year. That's pretty solid.

[The Chosen One]

Gruden: "I'm tired of mentioning his name (Manziel)."

[zitothebrave]

Maybe, but three is a pretty early pick for a maybe at QB. Plus he's going to inevitably be contrasted with Manziel.

Yes he will. Just like Ryan was with Flacco, Eli was with Rivers/Roethlisberger, Luck with RG3, it always happens.

[zitothebrave]

Good pick for Titans.

[zitothebrave]

Not an elite corner, but an elite cover corner. I mean they got a great cover corner and a 1st rounder next year. That's pretty solid.

It's very solid. But they should have taken Manziel.

[weso1]

It's very solid. But they should have taken Manziel.

They still might it sounds like.

[bravesnumberone]

NFL Network feed is horrible. But I refuse to watch ESPN as long as Berman is doing it.

[zitothebrave]

Giants got a good pick.

[bravesnumberone]

Rams having a solid night.

[zitothebrave]

Rams are gonna bring the ****ing heat. I like Donald the most in the 10-15 range.

[zitothebrave]

BTW Aaron Donald makes too much sense for the Rams, best way to beat Wilson/Kaepernick is to bring heat right up the gut. They're not used to that and will panic and get thrown off. Probably the best fit pick in the draft so far.

[zitothebrave]

Another reason to love Jake Matthews. NFL had a green room thing with Walk-up songs, pretty much everyone was rap or hip hop, everyone was contemporary semi-popular, Jake Matthews took GOing the Distance from Rocky.

[bravesnumberone]

If Dallas doesn't take Johnny, will he wind up with Cleveland anyway?

[bravesnumberone]

Lulz. Good pick I guess, but I bet half of Dallas fans are probably bummed.

[Krovahn]

Bwahaha.

[zitothebrave]

Would the Jets take Johnny Football? DOesn't that kind of seem like something that Rex Ryan would do? They used a 2 on what's his name last year. But Rex loves names.

[zitothebrave]

Good pick for the Ravens. Mosely should succeed in Baltimore.

[zitothebrave]

Ha Ha falling way lower than expected. We'll have to see how far but if he's there in the later 20s Falcons have to look into moving up for him.

[The Chosen One]

Ha Ha falling way lower than expected. We'll have to see how far but if he's there in the later 20s Falcons have to look into moving up for him.

You want the Falcons to draft Manziel? LOL

[Krovahn]

Oooh, this gonna get good!

[zitothebrave]

Saints move up, for Johnny Futbol?

Probably for Ha Ha though.

[The Chosen One]

https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1554384_636896346385327_2955076910334612227_n.jpg

[MrShwag]

Lol, Cooks said Brees is a "potential" hall of famer. Maybe he meant inevitable hall of famer and just choose his words wrong due to nervousness. He's probably gonna get messed with for that.

[bravesnumberone]

Great pick by the Packers.

[zitothebrave]

Great pick by the Packers.

Yeah, Dix isn't amazing but he's certainly the best fit for them.

[bravesnumberone]

I'd like to see someone pick up Dennard from Michigan State in the first round. He's from my neck of the woods, sort of.

[nocalgirl10]

Great pick by the Packers.

I love Dix.

[zitothebrave]

Eagles trade out to the Bronws, you'd think Andy Reid was still in charge.

[zitothebrave]

I love Dix.

I thought that was a given? :YDS:

[bravesnumberone]

Kevin Costner bout to draft Johnny.

[bravesnumberone]

Welcome to suckiness, Johnny.

[zitothebrave]

Browns lucked out, they wisely moved ahead of KC as you never know with Andy Reid.

[Bj1133]

Pretty good draft thus far for the Browns

[weso1]

Great draft by the Browns.

[weso1]

By the way a UT guy is the owner of the Browns who is pwning the draft.... And is currently under investigation for fraud.

[zitothebrave]

Great draft by the Browns.

Maybe. Question is would they have gotten an NFL starter with the 3rd they gave up for Manziel.

[Tapate50]

Can't win many games without a qb...

[sturg33]

Lions taking Ebron was odd... Really wanted to move up for Watkins. But if we couldn't trade out, I think I would have taken Donald.

Joe Lombardi coming from the Saints had a lot to do with us taking Ebron

[sturg33]

Maybe. Question is would they have gotten an NFL starter with the 3rd they gave up for Manziel.

Most folks wanted them to take Manziel at 4... Instead, they got Manziel, Gilbert, and another 1st rounder... Cn't do much better

[Tapate50]

Hoping Demarcus Lawrence is there when ATL selects next. Might be a run on pass rushers , and wrs or a Bridgewater.

[Tapate50]

Most folks wanted them to take Manziel at 4... Instead, they got Manziel, Gilbert, and another 1st rounder... Cn't do much better

Correct.

[zitothebrave]

Most folks wanted them to take Manziel at 4... Instead, they got Manziel, Gilbert, and another 1st rounder... Cn't do much better

I hink trading back from 4 to 9 was smart. I would have taken Manziel 9 and then say Bradley Roby or Darqueze Dennard and then used their 3rd round pick they traded pick 83 which could have been say Terrance Brooks or anyone else. 3rd round picks have a decent chance to be NFL starter.

[bravesnumberone]

Great pick there.

[Krovahn]

Damn it, Bengals.

[zitothebrave]

Lions taking Ebron was odd... Really wanted to move up for Watkins. But if we couldn't trade out, I think I would have taken Donald.

Joe Lombardi coming from the Saints had a lot to do with us taking Ebron

I would have taken Beckham instead. He'd be a great compliment to Megatron and the guy who's name I'm forgetting now.

[zitothebrave]

Switching to Conan, so my updates will be slower.

[weso1]

Maybe. Question is would they have gotten an NFL starter with the 3rd they gave up for Manziel.

That's a pretty lame argument. It's pretty clearly worth the risk. I mean a 3rd rounder for a chance to draft the next Brett Favre for an organzation who has nothing going for it? Yeah.. you make that move.

[CrimsonCowboy]

I would rather Dallas have taken Clinton-Dix, so in that respect, I'm a bit bummed. However, the offensive line has been a problem for a long time with the Cowboys. Drafting Martin actually makes sense. So, I can't complain.

[Tapate50]

I would rather Dallas have taken Clinton-Dix, so in that respect, I'm a bit bummed. However, the offensive line has been a problem for a long time with the Cowboys. Drafting Martin actually makes sense. So, I can't complain.

Got to be hoping they address the DL from here on out, and heavily.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Got to be hoping they address the DL from here on out, and heavily.

Absolutely. That has to get attention. Dallas is still paying for not addressing that need last year.

[Tapate50]

Can't complain about Atls pick, as of right now they got the most pro ready LT prospect in the draft and one of the top players at any position at 6. Thanks Jaxonville

[zitothebrave]

That's a pretty lame argument. It's pretty clearly worth the risk. I mean a 3rd rounder for a chance to draft the next Brett Favre for an organzation who has nothing going for it? Yeah.. you make that move.

I don't disagree with using that pick to move up the. But supposed that someone else traded up and took Manziel, or a surprise team took him. They gambled that he would fall from 8 to the 20s.

[Tapate50]

Absolutely. That has to get attention. Dallas is still paying for not addressing that need last year.

If Donald had lasted that long, he was a no brainer

[zitothebrave]

Can't complain about Atls pick, as of right now they got the most pro ready LT prospect in the draft and one of the top players at any position at 6. Thanks Jaxonville

Well Matthews was likely to fall to 6 anyway. We just missed out on Mack. I would have given up our 3 next year to get Mack instead.

[weso1]

I don't disagree with using that pick to move up the. But supposed that someone else traded up and took Manziel, or a surprise team took him. They gambled that he would fall from 8 to the 20s.

That's true, but I think they made an educated gamble on that decision.

[Tapate50]

Roby or Wr?

[The Chosen One]

LOL @ Philly fans.

[Tapate50]

Had philly narrowed down to Wr like Lee or Roby.... Their two biggest needs . Smith is way early

[CrimsonCowboy]

If Donald had lasted that long, he was a no brainer

No doubt, which means Jerry would've done something else

[CrimsonCowboy]

What the heck did the Eagles just do? That was a reach

[50PoundHead]

CC, I'm a Packer fan and was hoping for Mosley, but what's the Tide fan take on Clinton-Dix? I never thought he'd be there at #21.

[CrimsonCowboy]

CC, I'm a Packer fan and was hoping for Mosley, but what's the Tide fan take on Clinton-Dix? I never thought he'd be there at #21.

Great value pick for Green Bay. Very surprised he lasted that long. I think that's a good upgrade for the Packers defense.

[zitothebrave]

What the heck did the Eagles just do? That was a reach

Yeah, big stretch.

[Tapate50]

CC, I'm a Packer fan and was hoping for Mosley, but what's the Tide fan take on Clinton-Dix? I never thought he'd be there at #21.
Do it all type. Solid .

[Tapate50]

Oh my cardinals....

[CrimsonCowboy]

Arizona's pick.........................................Hmmmm mmmmmmm

[zitothebrave]

Cards took who I wanted with the Falcons in the 2nd.

[Tapate50]

Cards took who I wanted with the Falcons in the 2nd.

3rd.

[Tapate50]

panthers go Bitino?

Benjamin huh? Maybe put a few lbs on him and he could play OT, bc they need two of em.

[bravesnumberone]

Panthers needed a receiver there. Solid pick.

[Tapate50]

Panthers needed a receiver there. Solid pick.

Wr class is 3-4 rounds deep, OL is not. They gotta nab two day one starters at LT and Rt. So, I disagree. Respectfully

[zitothebrave]

Holy **** Patriots hahahahaha.

[zitothebrave]

3rd.

He wouldn't have lasted that long. I should have specified I wanted them to trade backat least 10 picks.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Hey, I nailed the 49ers pick in my last mock. <high fives self>

[Tapate50]

He wouldn't have lasted that long. I should have specified I wanted them to trade backat least 10 picks.

37 would have been way too early, more of a SS anyway.

Whelp there went Ward. Pass rusher in the 2nd puhhhlease. Really jonesing for Lawrence

[zitothebrave]

Well it seems like the top half of the draft stayed largely stretch free but holy crap this second half.

[zitothebrave]

37 would have been way too early, more of a SS anyway.

Whelp there went Ward. Pass rusher in the 2nd puhhhlease. Really jonesing for Lawrence

I'm hoping TUitt is there, not that he's a stud and totally perfect. But his flexibility I think fits well with the likely flex defense the falcons will show. Can be a run stopping DE or pass rushing DT or 3-4 DE

[Tapate50]

Denver needs a LB, or Wr?

[CrimsonCowboy]

Like that pick for Denver

[Tapate50]

Like that pick for Denver

Not bad, talented guy for where they were picking... Hasn't put it all together yet and not a given. Seattle go wr?

[bravesnumberone]

Vikes gonna take Teddy.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Minnesota going Bridgewater here?

[Tapate50]

Minny trade with Sea. Bet it's for Teddy

[Tapate50]

If so, they have had a great RD 1 also...

[Tapate50]

Van Noy wouldn't be a bad get for Atl. Could cut Bierman

[zitothebrave]

Didn't get a chance to see what picks the Vikes gave up but like that they leapfrogged the Texans for Bridgewater. Teddy is still a little raw but Minn needs a QB after their total waste pick of Ponder.

[bravesnumberone]

A mostly solid first round with a couple head scratchers.

[bravesnumberone]

Didn't get a chance to see what picks the Vikes gave up but like that they leapfrogged the Texans for Bridgewater. Teddy is still a little raw but Minn needs a QB after their total waste pick of Ponder.

2nd round (40th) and a fourth round I think.

[The Chosen One]

I think HOU wants Carr anyways.

[zitothebrave]

If so, they have had a great RD 1 also...

Both of the Vikings picks could be busts but they're also great high ceiling capabilities. Considering pre-combine they were both top 6 projected picks (barr was the favorite until he struggled at the combine and Mack blew it up)

[The Chosen One]

Forgot until Kiper mentioned that HOU drafted David Carr in 2002... lol 12 years later they might draft his brother Derek.

[bravesnumberone]

NFL Network guys were laughing at the thought of Houston drafting Carr.

[zitothebrave]

A mostly solid first round with a couple head scratchers.

Only Buchanon and Ford were bad picks.

[zitothebrave]

Forgot until Kiper mentioned that HOU drafted David Carr in 2002... lol 12 years later they might draft his brother Derek.

Yeah would be funny.

[rico43]

Hoping Jeremiah Attaochu still there for 2nd pick. Falcons worked him out. Ealy or Tuitt would also be strong need picks.

[CrimsonCowboy]

More I think about the Cowboys taking Zack Martin, the more I like it. Got to have a strong O-Line, which is something Dallas has not had in years. Have a Pro Bowl tackle in Tyron Smith and a potential solid player in Travis Frederick on the line already. Now add Martin to the mix. Good job Jerry.

Now, go get some defensive linemen.

[The Chosen One]

More I think about the Cowboys taking Zack Martin, the more I like it. Got to have a strong O-Line, which is something Dallas has not had in years. Have a Pro Bowl tackle in Tyron Smith and a potential solid player in Travis Frederick on the line already. Now add Martin to the mix. Good job Jerry.

Now, go get some defensive linemen.

98% of these picks are going to be busts anyways.

It's always fun to go back past drafts, and remember Mel and other analysts saying "THIS IS A FOOTBALL PLAYER. HE'S GOING TO BE GREAT IN A YEAR OR TWO" then see those same guys fall off a cliff or not even make it to a second season.

[Carp]

Bah with Titans. After Ebron and Barr were gone, we should have traded down. Lewan wasn't an immediate need, even if he was BPA. We gotta have the most expensive OL in the league right now.

[Oklahomahawk]

More I think about the Cowboys taking Zack Martin, the more I like it. Got to have a strong O-Line, which is something Dallas has not had in years. Have a Pro Bowl tackle in Tyron Smith and a potential solid player in Travis Frederick on the line already. Now add Martin to the mix. Good job Jerry.

Now, go get some defensive linemen.

I really like the pick. He wasn't the guy (or any of the group of guys) I wanted at 16, but he's a really good OL who can play G or T. I see the left side of our line being solidified now for the next 7 or 8 years. Had Barr or Donald been there that's who I wanted, but with both of them gone, and even the WR out of LSU gone (he was the other main "I don't really want him because we need DL/DE types" but he's the BPA at the time) I was totally fine with it and even more totally fine it WASN'T JM. I was really happy for the kid that he went to Cleveland, I think he'll love it there if he plays even half way decent but I definitely didn't want him in Dallas and I was really concerned, knowing Jerry, that's what was about to happen.

Tonight I want Crichton, Lawrence, Jernigan, or another quality DL/DE in round 2 and hopefully another one of those in round 3. I think all the best safeties are gone so if we take one of those it'll have to be an "under the radar" type.

[thethe]

Anybody know anything about the kid the 49ers took? Seems like he is versatile and very athletic. Anyone watch any of his games in college?

[zitothebrave]

Anybody know anything about the kid the 49ers took? Seems like he is versatile and very athletic. Anyone watch any of his games in college?

Didn't watch him play but supposedly the Niners will use him in Nickel situations. He's a reach. I'm guessing Roby would have been their pick if they hadn't been having so many off the field issues with their current players to take a gamble on him.

[thethe]

Glad the Falcons finally woke up and realized that the most important positions on the field outside of QB are the offensive/defensive lines.

Maybe Ryan won't get abused next year.

[zitothebrave]

Glad the Falcons finally woke up and realized that the most important positions on the field outside of QB are the offensive/defensive lines.

Maybe Ryan won't get abused next year.

One certainly can hope. The stat that had him more pressured than guys who hold onto the football forever like Wilson, Flacco, etc. is a disturbing thought. Considering Ryan usually is a 3 second sack

[zitothebrave]

Assuming Baker is healthy, Falcons at worst should have a solid OL.

Baker is an average to good tackle depending on how banged up he is. Matthews I think should be able to be an average tackle. Blalock is a very good guard, Asamoah is a solid guard. And Ii think Konz gets one more shot, if he tanks hawley is an OK in a pinch center. We'll struggle against 3-4 teams most likely who have a nasty NT but out new OL should be way better than last year.

Hopefully out second round pick can be someone who`gets to the QB.

[thethe]

I think the Falcons are still another year away from being a super bowl threat again. They are going to need to add another weapon for Ryan (either TE or late round RB).

The NFC is too deep. I don't think they are a real threat honestly next year.

[zitothebrave]

I think the Falcons are still another year away from being a super bowl threat again. They are going to need to add another weapon for Ryan (either TE or late round RB).

The NFC is too deep. I don't think they are a real threat honestly next year.

ALl it takes is to make the playoffs. If you get into the playoffs and the right guys get hot magical things happen. Last year is the first time in ages that the 2 best teams got to the Superbowl. I actually off the top of my head can't think of the time before that it happened. Probably 97 with the Packers/Broncos. If you get to the playoffs anything can happen. The Giants 2 superbowl runs or the Ravens Superbowl run are perfect examples. Players getting hot at the right time.

And come the PS, you won't bet against Ryan and Julio to explode. They were murdering bitches at the start of last year. Even if their defense was horribly horrific.

I think the Falcons should have a better shot next year. And Ryan could use another weapon to ease in while Roddy is old. But Ryan can more than get by on their current set of talent.

[gilesfan]

Anybody know anything about the kid the 49ers took? Seems like he is versatile and very athletic. Anyone watch any of his games in college?

He's a good cover safety that can play some nickel corner.

[gilesfan]

I think the Falcons are still another year away from being a super bowl threat again. They are going to need to add another weapon for Ryan (either TE or late round RB).

The NFC is too deep. I don't think they are a real threat honestly next year.


They are going to need a lot to have a deep playoff run. You only win with bad defenses if you have a great QB.

[gilesfan]

Van Noy wouldn't be a bad get for Atl. Could cut Bierman

I like Van Noy a lot.

[thethe]

They are going to need a lot to have a deep playoff run. You only win with bad defenses if you have a great QB.

Yeah, they need to hit on two more of their draft picks (talking about good starting players) to get there this year.

[zitothebrave]

They are going to need a lot to have a deep playoff run. You only win with bad defenses if you have a great QB.

Luckily the Falcons have that. For the quality of defenses he faced and the total crappiness of his OL and for almost half the year having his only weapon being the about to retire Tony Gonzalez, Ryan had a very solid year. NOt the prettiest number wise but when you consider he played the toughest schedule of defenses in the NFL, and he only had Julio for like 5 weeks and Roddy wasn't close to 80% til like week 13, Ryan had an impressive season. He made Harry ****ing Douglas a 1000 yard receiver. That's not easy. I can't think of a talented QB who had the same issues. At least Peyton and Brady if they lost weapons still had their offensive lines. The Falcons OL was a total joke last year.

Now is Ryan in the class of Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, and Brees? No but if you have to be elite to be great, your standards are too high.

[thethe]

Luckily the Falcons have that. For the quality of defenses he faced and the total crappiness of his OL and for almost half the year having his only weapon being the about to retire Tony Gonzalez, Ryan had a very solid year. NOt the prettiest number wise but when you consider he played the toughest schedule of defenses in the NFL, and he only had Julio for like 5 weeks and Roddy wasn't close to 80% til like week 13, Ryan had an impressive season. He made Harry ****ing Douglas a 1000 yard receiver. That's not easy. I can't think of a talented QB who had the same issues. At least Peyton and Brady if they lost weapons still had their offensive lines. The Falcons OL was a total joke last year.

Now is Ryan in the class of Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, and Brees? No but if you have to be elite to be great, your standards are too high.

Why do you keep saying Harry Douglas as a 1000 yard wide receiver as some sort of vindication that Ryan is great?

[gilesfan]

Ebron was an odd selection. He's a very talented receiving TE, but he can't block a lick so he's only going to fit in certain packages. At 10? That's kinda pushing it.

[zitothebrave]

Yeah, they need to hit on two more of their draft picks (talking about good starting players) to get there this year.

Matthews is gonna be a hit. Kid is too good to fail as long as he's healthy. Worst case scenario for him if he's healthy is seeming being an above average LT. He lacks the upside of Robinson or Lewan, but his floor is way higher and he's more ready to impact now than either of them.

[yeezus]

I really like the pick. He wasn't the guy (or any of the group of guys) I wanted at 16, but he's a really good OL who can play G or T. I see the left side of our line being solidified now for the next 7 or 8 years. Had Barr or Donald been there that's who I wanted, but with both of them gone, and even the WR out of LSU gone (he was the other main "I don't really want him because we need DL/DE types" but he's the BPA at the time) I was totally fine with it and even more totally fine it WASN'T JM. I was really happy for the kid that he went to Cleveland, I think he'll love it there if he plays even half way decent but I definitely didn't want him in Dallas and I was really concerned, knowing Jerry, that's what was about to happen.

Tonight I want Crichton, Lawrence, Jernigan, or another quality DL/DE in round 2 and hopefully another one of those in round 3. I think all the best safeties are gone so if we take one of those it'll have to be an "under the radar" type.

I must say, I don't understand this sentiment. When has Jerry ever made a pick like picking Manziel? He has not historically made outrageous picks like that. I'm no fan of his in general, but this was cooked up by media to make it seem like Jerry was strongly considering it when I promise you he wasn't. There was never a chance of us taking JFF there.

I would have preferred to go defense at 16, Clinton-Dix was sitting there, but some have their reservations about him so I understand not taking him. No other great defensive player was there with Barr/Donald gone, so building on the OL is never bad. Always need depth, and even though ours was solid last year, it would have regressed if we didn't improve it. Martin will likely start right away. Smith/Martin/Fredrick is a solid foundation on the line, and all super young.

[thethe]

Matthews is gonna be a hit. Kid is too good to fail as long as he's healthy. Worst case scenario for him if he's healthy is seeming being an above average LT. He lacks the upside of Robinson or Lewan, but his floor is way higher and he's more ready to impact now than either of them.

I posted that with the assumption that Matthews will be a solid player. Falcons still need more. They can't rush the QB or protect the QB AND their running game is awful. Not to mention the cumulative strength of their weapons is diminishing.

[thethe]

Am I crazy to think that Cleveland is going to be a playoff team next year?

[zitothebrave]

Why do you keep saying Harry Douglas as a 1000 yard wide receiver as some sort of vindication that Ryan is great?

Because Harry Douglas is a terrible WR who was put into the 1 spot, Despite generating top corner cover and being a very bad route runner, Ryan was able to get the ball into his hands. In order to do that you have to have top level accuracy and reading abilities.

Seriously, Harry Douglas is a fine slot WR, but when he's the best WR on th efield and he's still getting catches despite not being covered by a S/Nickel corner, that speaks to the abilities of your QB. Similar to like Brady did with Edelman, but of course Brady is way better than Ryan.

[thethe]

Because Harry Douglas is a terrible WR who was put into the 1 spot, Despite generating top corner cover and being a very bad route runner, Ryan was able to get the ball into his hands. In order to do that you have to have top level accuracy and reading abilities.

Seriously, Harry Douglas is a fine slot WR, but when he's the best WR on th efield and he's still getting catches despite not being covered by a S/Nickel corner, that speaks to the abilities of your QB. Similar to like Brady did with Edelman, but of course Brady is way better than Ryan.

Zeets, Ryan threw the ball the second most times in the NFL and Douglas was his only viable receiver outside of Gonzalez. Of course he is going to get 1000 yards.

[zitothebrave]

I posted that with the assumption that Matthews will be a solid player. Falcons still need more. They can't rush the QB or protect the QB AND their running game is awful. Not to mention the cumulative strength of their weapons is diminishing.

I would like a depth OL pick in the 3rd or 4th to get another OT. I really don't like Holmes, it was a bad risk pick for the Falcons to go with someone on physical ability not actual size. But the Falcons OL now is pretty solid. Only C and Baker are question marks and Baker is a fine OT when healthy. Only other question with him is do they move him to RT because he gets beat out by Matthews in a battle, or do they keep him at LT for now for stability sake?

Some names I like for the Falcons in round 2, also wouldn't mind a trade back of a few picks assuming some of these guys are gone,

Kony Ealy - Aside from Kony probowl jokesI'll be able to get lulz off of, Big, strong, fast kid who probably is best slated as a 4-3 DE but shouldn't have issues in a 3-4 as either an pass rushing DE on extreem passing downs or everydown at 3-4 rush

Xavier Su'a Filo - Probably not wise to draft for depth early on when a starter could be on the board, but the kid is a very good OL who can play guard or tackle, would help if the Falcons get wrecked by injuries and inconsistent play. WHo knows maybe he could slide to center if Konz sucks again?

Stephon Tuitt - Already discussed, wouldn't be a starter most likely but a logn term replacement should slot nicely as a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT or 4-3 run stopping DE.

Demarcus Lawrence - Kind of like Ealy, more of a 4-3 DE but as long as he's willing to learn, should succeed standing up.

Van Noy - Mentioned earlier, not a perfect fit short term, but long term would be the drop LB in Atlanta.

[gilesfan]

Am I crazy to think that Cleveland is going to be a playoff team next year?

Yes. With Manziel at QB? LOL

Though I will say Kyle Shanahan is a great OC so maybe he works his magic.

[gilesfan]

Crimson, whats the deal with that OL from Bama? Hearing reports that his knees are just fine. If so, solid pick by Skins in 2nd round.

I'm looking at him, Nix, or Hageman

[zitothebrave]

Zeets, Ryan threw the ball the second most times in the NFL and Douglas was his only viable receiver outside of Gonzalez. Of course he is going to get 1000 yards.

There's nothing given about that. Ryan could have easily seen a massive drop in completion % because his man wasn't open. He already had a giant rise in INTs because of forcing throws being down, and bad receivering.

The demise of the Falcons was greatly exageratted, they had some big holes cause the OL shat the bed, and Osi was not an adequate replacement for Abe, but they ditched their dead weight this offseason, found some good talented players who should be long term impacts defensively, and they used their offseason to get bigger and nastier on the OL and DL. Falcons may surprise a lot of teams with their looks this season. I expect them to run more and be more successful doing so.

[gilesfan]

There's nothing given about that. Ryan could have easily seen a massive drop in completion % because his man wasn't open. He already had a giant rise in INTs because of forcing throws being down, and bad receivering.

The demise of the Falcons was greatly exageratted, they had some big holes cause the OL shat the bed, and Osi was not an adequate replacement for Abe, but they ditched their dead weight this offseason, found some good talented players who should be long term impacts defensively, and they used their offseason to get bigger and nastier on the OL and DL. Falcons may surprise a lot of teams with their looks this season. I expect them to run more and be more successful doing so.

Did you guys sign another RB?

[tomahawkchop10]

Glad Bucs got Evans. Him and Jackson will be a dynamic 1-2 punch. NFC south is filthy.

[zitothebrave]

Am I crazy to think that Cleveland is going to be a playoff team next year?

Not really, the NFC North is not a particularly strong division. I doubt they will this year, since Manziel likely won't be starting and still learning. I see the Browns as a long term success

[zitothebrave]

Glad Bucs got Evans. Him and Jackson will be a dynamic 1-2 punch. NFC south is filthy.

And that's the hardest part about the Falcons success, the NFC South and NFC West are probably the toughest divisions in the NFL. NFC North being in the mix as well. If $cam takes the next step as a QB the South will be the best division.

[Tapate50]

Atlanta needs Demarcus Lawrence and a FS, and take McKinnon in the 4th. Jmac could unseat Rodgers immediately.

[zitothebrave]

Atlanta needs Demarcus Lawrence and a FS, and take McKinnon in the 4th. Jmac could unseat Rodgers immediately.

Could get behind that, but with the run on safeties at the end of the first, I have to wonder if there will be a quality one in the 3rd? If no one makes another run, one of Bailey or Reynolds should be there.Don't know if either of them will be good enough to start. I think it's time to hope that Zeke Motta lives up to his projectability.

[gilesfan]

Cooks to NO was a helluva pick. Man, he should do really well there.

[sturg33]

I think the Rams and Browns did quite well for themselves.

Not a fan of the Ebron pick. But it should present some match up problems for defenses. There weren't any defensive players worthy of the #10 pick, except Donald - but that would have been another luxury pick

[zitothebrave]

I think the Lions wanted Barr at 10, Vikings kinda ruined that. I'm still surprised they didn't trade up to 5 for Evans. I thought once Watkins left they would have made a jump move.

[Tapate50]

TD says Matthews will start at RT. Purely out of veteran respect I'm sure...

[cajunrevenge]

Gotta give Browns credit for a hell of a draft so far. I don't watch college football but even if Manziel busts its not as bad after picking him in the 20's as opposed to top 10 pick. Getting the Bills's 2015 #1 pick was genius. That's a guaranteed top 15 pick and probably top 10.

Also have to say the Falcons made a goodn move drafting Matthews.

Edit - also loved the Rams taking Donald. That's going to be one hell of a defensive line. And by love I mean hate because I do not want to face them.

[Tapate50]

Falcons tried to trade back into the first for Dee Ford. At least they sat tight because some names are falling for OLB/De. They also know where the holes are. Hard not to miss em though

[Tapate50]

Gotta give Browns credit for a hell of a draft so far. I don't watch college football but even if Manziel busts its not as bad after picking him in the 20's as opposed to top 10 pick. Getting the Bills's 2015 #1 pick was genius. That's a guaranteed top 15 pick and probably top 10.

Also have to say the Falcons made a goodn move drafting Matthews.

Edit - also loved the Rams taking Donald. That's going to be one hell of a defensive line. And by love I mean hate because I do not want to face them.
Bills aren't far away from competing IMO, neither are the rams. If either can get decent qb play, they in bidness

[thethe]

Overnight ratings last night:

ESPN NFL Draft: 6.8
ESPN2 Blazers-Spurs 2.7
ESPN2 Heat-Nets: 2.6
NFL Net NFL Draft: 1.9
NBCSN Bos-Montreal 1.2
NBCSN Ana-LA: 0.7

[thethe]

Its insane how everything the NFL does turns to gold. This is why Goodell makes all the money he does.

[sturg33]

I think the Lions wanted Barr at 10, Vikings kinda ruined that. I'm still surprised they didn't trade up to 5 for Evans. I thought once Watkins left they would have made a jump move.

According to Mayhew and Lombardi, we had Ebron rated above Evans on our board, but behind Watkins.

Don't know if that is true, but that is the story

[gilesfan]

Bills aren't far away from competing IMO, neither are the rams. If either can get decent qb play, they in bidness

That's the problem with both teams though. They have decent talent, but their QBs aren't very good and its a QB league.

I agree on Browns. Heck of a deal to get what could be a pretty high first next year

[gilesfan]

I can't believe people can sit through the NFL Draft.

Amazing that people will sit through that snoozefest with baseball games or playoff games going on.

[gilesfan]

Imagine if the Browns get Marquise Lee. Sheez.

[cajunrevenge]

Bills aren't far away from competing IMO, neither are the rams. If either can get decent qb play, they in bidness

The Rams I agree with. I think their HC is one of the best in the NFL but they play in such a tough division. I would pick them to win the south if they were in it.

The Bills, I just don't believe in Manuel. I think 8-8 would be optimistic. I also won't be surprised if the pick ends up being top 5. I won't even be surprised if Watkins is not the best wr to come from this draft.

[Tapate50]

The Rams I agree with. I think their HC is one of the best in the NFL but they play in such a tough division. I would pick them to win the south if they were in it.

The Bills, I just don't believe in Manuel. I think 8-8 would be optimistic. I also won't be surprised if the pick ends up being top 5. I won't even be surprised if Watkins is not the best wr to come from this draft.
I'm skeptical about EJ also, but it was hard to decide on him last year with limited weapons and injuries

[zitothebrave]

According to Mayhew and Lombardi, we had Ebron rated above Evans on our board, but behind Watkins.

Don't know if that is true, but that is the story

Would be moronic if so.

[cajunrevenge]

I'm skeptical about EJ also, but it was hard to decide on him last year with limited weapons and injuries

Well I didnt think much of him before that either. But the list of qbs I liked coming out of college is a very short list. Peyton, Mcnair, Palmer, Luck, RG3, and Vick. Also think David Carr would have been a good qb if he didn't get the Archie Manning treatment.

[NinersSBChamps]

Last night was a complete waste. I waited 3.5 hours for a reach safety. A guy who would have been there today.

[Heyward]

Oh my cardinals....

They got arguably the best S in the draft, he has 1st-round tape.

Good pick.

[Tapate50]

They got arguably the best S in the draft, he has 1st-round tape.

Good pick.

Huh? Can't cover much. Not arguably either...

[Tapate50]

Last night was a complete waste. I waited 3.5 hours for a reach safety. A guy who would have been there today.

Ward? Nah, way better than Buchanan and most said if he was very under rated. He wouldn't have made it through 10 picks in the 2nd

[Heyward]

Huh? Can't cover much. Not arguably either...

LOL, he can cover just fine, you clearly havent seen him play.

He's a very good player.

He'll most likely play the Adrian Wilson role with Mathieu as FS.

[Tapate50]

Gordon popped again for weed

[rico43]

Gordon popped again for weed

Just heard this! Can't believe the Browns didn't push for Watkins, knowing this. Sounds like Lee or Latimer is going to be the stopgap.

[bravesnumberone]

That's a shame about Gordon. What an idiot.

And LOL Cleveland.

[TURBO]

Just heard this! Can't believe the Browns didn't push for Watkins, knowing this. Sounds like Lee or Latimer is going to be the stopgap.

Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport 11m

Sources: Browns coaching staff not aware until @OTLonESPN report about 90 minutes ago. That's policy. Gordon gets due process with appeal.

[bravesnumberone]

Interesting pick by the Texans to start Round 2.

[Heyward]

Interesting pick by the Texans to start Round 2.

Not much interesting, one of the best OL in the draft.

Very good pick.

[bravesnumberone]

Not much interesting, one of the best OL in the draft.

Very good pick.

Just because it's good, doesn't mean it's not interesting. A lot were expecting them to go QB. I agree with the selection.

[bravesnumberone]

Falcons need to get the best available pass rusher right now.

[NinersSBChamps]

Good trade up for Dallas. Lawrence is a solid pass rusher and they needed one badly.

[NinersSBChamps]

Hagemen is a monster. Good pick by the Atlantas.

[Heyward]

Just because it's good, doesn't mean it's not interesting. A lot were expecting them to go QB. I agree with the selection.

Thats not true, most thought they wouldnt go QB until the 3rd or so.

[bravesnumberone]

Thats not true, most thought they wouldnt go QB until the 3rd or so.

Not what I heard late last night, but I haven't followed it daily.

[bravesnumberone]

Nice job, Jaguars.

[NinersSBChamps]

Great pick for Jacksonville.

[sturg33]

Love the Lions 2nd pick. Wanted Van Noy

[zitothebrave]

Holy crap Eagles.

Hageman is a stud. Falcons DL keeps getting nastier. Still missing an edge rusher.

[zitothebrave]

So the Lions could have taken Amaro in the second and Shazier in the first. Yeah I would have taken that instead.

[bravesnumberone]

Lol at these analysts talking out of their ass. "Makes a lot of sense" after every single pick.

"We were just talking about this guy a few minutes ago."

[zitothebrave]

Niners must not feel confident on retaining their current group of RBs.

[Krovahn]

Niners must not feel confident on retaining their current group of RBs.
I see this pick turning out to be... Hyde being the eventual 3rd down back, with Lattimore being the primary back, once Gore is 'done'.

[zitothebrave]

I see this pick turning out to be... Hyde being the eventual 3rd down back, with Lattimore being the primary back, once Gore is 'done'.

Possibly. Looks like they're not quite confident in retaining or the ability of James and Hunter though.

[thethe]

Niners must not feel confident on retaining their current group of RBs.

49ers don't believe in retaining running backs. No team does. Its all about cycling in new guys. Hunter wasn't as good as he was prior to his injury and LaMichael James is not working out with the organization. He is a talented player and isn't playing. Something isn't right with him.

[Krovahn]

Possibly. Looks like they're not quite confident in retaining or the ability of James and Hunter though.
I am not confident in them either, especially James. He even scares me on returns, not the surest hands. Not being confident in Hunter is surprising, though. He has had a couple real good seasons for a second string guy.

I just hope that this doesn't mean that Lattimore is not coming along with his knee as good as he should.

[Tapate50]

It tells me Lattimore doesn't look to be recovering

[Tapate50]

Atl could go Lb, RB, Fs, and the pass rusher we cannot seem to land

[Tapate50]

Another OT off the board, and Carolina still doesn't have one. They need two.

[bravesnumberone]

There's a safety.

[zitothebrave]

Apparently the Falcons are big on size-speed picks today. Southward is big and fast, but has almost no polish.

[Tapate50]

Apparently the Falcons are big on size-speed picks today. Southward is big and fast, but has almost no polish.

Unofficial 40...4.35. Dayum

[zitothebrave]

Unofficial 40...4.35. Dayum

I'm wondering if the Falcons are hoping that one of him or Motta works out as a long term prospect.

[NinersSBChamps]

I am not confident in them either, especially James. He even scares me on returns, not the surest hands. Not being confident in Hunter is surprising, though. He has had a couple real good seasons for a second string guy.

I just hope that this doesn't mean that Lattimore is not coming along with his knee as good as he should.

No matter what you can't count on anything from Lattimore until he proves something on the field.

[Tapate50]

Texans must grab a qb. Must.

[thethe]

LOVE THAT PICK!

Its all about the offensive/defensive line. We needed to make sure that we had a backup plan in case Kilgore wasn't ready to start. But overall this guy might be all over the interior of the line giving insurance for Iuapit as well.

[cajunrevenge]

Who is this Drake fellow and why cant I watch any sporting event without him being there.

[Krovahn]

No matter what you can't count on anything from Lattimore until he proves something on the field.
Very true. One can hope that he is back to where he was, though.

[thethe]

This kid Hyde was pretty impressive in college. I like that we are surrounding Kaep with even more weapons.

[bravesnumberone]

Good pick by the Rams.

[zitothebrave]

This kid Hyde was pretty impressive in college. I like that we are surrounding Kaep with even more weapons.

Thethe likes a Niners draft? I'M SHOCKED :cooter:

[NinersSBChamps]

Who is the black dude announcing picks?

[NinersSBChamps]

Would have rather gotten Max Bullough instead of Borland.

[thethe]

Thethe likes a Niners draft? I'M SHOCKED :cooter:

Considering Baalke is basically the best drafter in the league (aside from Seattle's organization) I think I have reason to.

[zitothebrave]

Considering Baalke is basically the best drafter in the league (aside from Seattle's organization) I think I have reason to.

Lulz.

Aside from the years they picked high and got Smith and the year he was setup with 2 picks in the 10-20 range, what has he done? AJ Jenkins? Eric Reid looks solid but not spectacular so far so who knows with him. He's gotten some good picks but he's hardly "basically the best drafter" I'm pretty sure the Pats kill it with that as they're always picking in the late 20s and always are one of the best teams in the league. Seattle has done great recently but like SF they benefitted from some high picks from sucking. Great drafting happens when you find a Gronk later in the draft. That's great drafting.

[Tapate50]

Ravens gm does pretty well.

[thethe]

Lulz.

Aside from the years they picked high and got Smith and the year he was setup with 2 picks in the 10-20 range, what has he done? AJ Jenkins? Eric Reid looks solid but not spectacular so far so who knows with him. He's gotten some good picks but he's hardly "basically the best drafter" I'm pretty sure the Pats kill it with that as they're always picking in the late 20s and always are one of the best teams in the league. Seattle has done great recently but like SF they benefitted from some high picks from sucking. Great drafting happens when you find a Gronk later in the draft. That's great drafting.

2010: Davis/Iupati/Bowman/Dixon/Brock(undrafted)
2011: Smith/Kaep/Culliver/Hunter/Kilgore/Miller
2012: Horrible Draft
2013: Reid/McDonald/Lemonier/Patton

That doesn't include wildcards in 2013 like Tank/Lattimore.

You are foolish if you aren't acknowledging that Baalke is among the top 2-3 drafters in the last 4 years (since he became GM). There is a reason they are still competing at a high level even after doling out a bunch of contracts.

[NinersSBChamps]

2010: Davis/Iupati/Bowman/Dixon/Brock(undrafted)
2011: Smith/Kaep/Culliver/Hunter/Kilgore/Miller
2012: Horrible Draft
2013: Reid/McDonald/Lemonier/Patton

That doesn't include wildcards in 2013 like Tank/Lattimore.

You are foolish if you aren't acknowledging that Baalke is among the top 2-3 drafters in the last 4 years (since he became GM). There is a reason they are still competing at a high level even after doling out a bunch of contracts.

He can't be the one of the best drafters in the league and completely dismiss an entire draft class.

[bravesnumberone]

Mettenberger is not better than Murrary or McCarron.

[thethe]

He can't be the one of the best drafters in the league and completely dismiss an entire draft class.

It happens to everyone. In the aggregate his picks have been incredible.

[Tapate50]

Like to see Atl select Ellington if he is here, then McKinnon with the comp

[zitothebrave]

2010: Davis/Iupati/Bowman/Dixon/Brock(undrafted)
2011: Smith/Kaep/Culliver/Hunter/Kilgore/Miller
2012: Horrible Draft
2013: Reid/McDonald/Lemonier/Patton

That doesn't include wildcards in 2013 like Tank/Lattimore.

You are foolish if you aren't acknowledging that Baalke is among the top 2-3 drafters in the last 4 years (since he became GM). There is a reason they are still competing at a high level even after doling out a bunch of contracts.

2010 he had 2 picks in the top 20. 2011 he picked 7. Unless you royally **** up like say the Falcons did with Edwards or whatever that bum was usually those guys wind up pretty good. Bowman and Kaepernick are the only stars from after the first round.

I guess Tom Dimitroff is amazing too.

2008 - Ryan/Baker/Lofton/Douglas/Biermann
2009 - WIlly Mo
2010 - Spoon/Peters/Hawley
2011 - Julio/Rodgers
2012 - Bad draft
2013 - Trufant/Alford/Worrilow(undrafted)

OMG HE'S SO AMAZING

Niners are competing at a high level because they have a great team. They are in a 3 year run, if they're still there 5 years from now, then maybe you have a point. They're not the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, etc. teams that year in and year out are competitive if not winning. I like with TD has done with the Falcons. Can't argue too hard against someone who's so massively changed the culture in Atlanta, but I'm not gonna overrate him because of some good players taken.

[zitothebrave]

Nix for the Texans is a great value pick. They've had a heck of a draft. Clowney is obviously a stud, added an impact OL, and they now just added arguably the best NT in the draft.

[Tapate50]

Not many qb taken yet...

[bravesnumberone]

God, these fans being on the floor is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.