GDT #36: May 11, 2014 Cubs (Jackson) @ Braves (Le Grand Harang)

[nsacpi]

Cubs
1. Kalish CF
2. Coughlin LF
3. Rizzo 1B
4. Castro SS
5. Schierholtz RF
6. Castro C
7. Olt 3B
8. Barney 2B
9. Jackson P

Braves
1. Heyward RF
2. Pastornicky 2B
3. Freeman 1B
4. Gattis C
5. Johnson 3B
6. Doumit LF
7. Simmons SS
8. Le Grand Harang P
9. Schafer CF

[nsacpi]

Wish Hulavol was here so I could chat with him about Gattis playing a day game after a night game. This is the second time now.

Expecting an enormous game off the bench from Dan Uggla.

[yeezus]

It's the 11th.

[jsebe10]

Is this lineup correct? I'm seeing Gattis catching today...these are the usual days he runs Laird titts out there and wastes everyone's day at the ball park.

[nsacpi]

Is this lineup correct? I'm seeing Gattis catching today...these are the usual days he runs Laird titts out there and wastes everyone's day at the ball park.

The choice was between Gattis getting today off or tomorrow off. I think the decision to play him today had a bit to do with Justin Upton being held out. Hopefully, tomorrow Justin comes back and Evan gets his day off.

[The Chosen One]

Pastor in over Pena. Neither Pena or Dan can bunt worth a damn...

[Julio3000]

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[Dalyn]

If Laird should ever catch, it should be when Harang pitches. (4.56 ERA vs 0.96)

[Hawk]

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Damn, Mark Bowman ...

[Dalyn]

Someone must've made a joke about food.

[Julio3000]

Someone must've made a joke about food.

Mark Bowman obviously enjoys a good, meaty Cuban.

[The Chosen One]

:facepalm:

[GreenwoodBrave]

We are here at the Ted. My whole family is here as my army ranger brother is the hometown hero. Goooo Braves.

[Julio3000]

We are here at the Ted. My whole family is here as my army ranger brother is the hometown hero. Goooo Braves.

That's awesome. Enjoy the game.

[Julio3000]

That's a Harang DP, right there.

[UNCBlue012]

GO BRAVES! Happy Mother's Day to all mothers out there!

[stpeteirish]

our inability to lay off of fastballs out of the zone continues. You would think this would be addressed by now. Thats about the only way a guy like Jackson can beat anyone, with hitters faling away at bad pitches because he throws a lot of them.

[Julio3000]

We'll get this guy.

[nsacpi]

Nice throw by Gattis...bad knees and all

[Julio3000]

Now THAT was a prototypical Lord BABIP shot.

[Julio3000]

Six-hour flight to SF, Chip?

Are they flying in an old DC-3 or something?

[Julio3000]

Doumit it and quit it.

[nsacpi]

Doh!

[Julio3000]

Not Not hit the snot snot out of that one.

[nsacpi]

Simba

[PurpleBrave]

horrible...

yet typical

[TURBO]

What was Simmons doing?

[PurpleBrave]

Looked like they were going on contact then hesitated when it was hit hard and caught

[sentenza]

Wuuuuushhh!!!!
Perfect pitch for strike 3!

[jsebe10]

I'll be honest...I don't see how the Cubs or any team for that matter, haven't ripped the titts off Harang. Lol. It's crazy b

[USMA76]

Given Uggla's struggles and the fact that TLS simply doesn't appear to be ready for prime time, Pastornicky appears to be at least a decent option at 2B. His stint at SS showed he lacks the range and arm to play that position but he appears to be fundamentally sound at second and at the plate. He just smoked the ball in his most recent at bat as vs. the flailing windmills that DU so often shows us.

[stpeteirish]

I'll be honest...I don't see how the Cubs or any team for that matter, haven't ripped the titts off Harang. Lol. It's crazy b

true. He just throws stikes and they miss them.

[sentenza]

Now they begin to start this!

[USMA76]

Well that lead didn't last long.

[UNCBlue012]

What is wrong with this ump though? He's been wrong for both guys.

[TURBO]

Nice comeback by Harang.

[jsebe10]

What is wrong with this ump though? He's been wrong for both guys.

That's every umpire...They are all pissed off and offended by the replay system...They need to have a system in place to help with balls and strikes...those are more often the most blown calls

[The Chosen One]

No idea why ANYONE throws a fastball to Gattis on the first pitch.

lol

[jsebe10]

God he crushed that

[jsebe10]

No idea why ANYONE throws a fastball to Gattis on the first pitch.

lol

Up and in too! Come on! lol

[UNCBlue012]

Gattis' power is amazing

[The Chosen One]

Let's see how creative Harang can get in giving the lead back.

[The Chosen One]

Love Smoltz's stuff on Bobby, Greg, Tom.

[UNCBlue012]

Harang has his pitches going today though.

[stpeteirish]

Eight K's for Harang. Cubs have some sorry looking hitters.

[TomahawkCult]

^^^ I hate I'm missing that: I'm outside grilling. Lemke is on the radio side in place of Sutton,and, I must say, he's pretty good at it.

[The Chosen One]

Chip telling a story about Fredi getting letters from fans... good when they're winning, bad when they're losing.

A fan sent a package to Fredi today... Chip showing Smoltz and Joe a sex toy... John figures out it's something to help them bunt. Looks like a face attachment piece to help Chip do his bumps.

[jsebe10]

^^^ I hate I'm missing that: I'm outside grilling. Lemke is on the radio side in place of Sutton,and, I must say, he's pretty good at it.

Lemer always sounds drunk to me

[VirginiaBrave]

I swear if the right deal came along I'd deal Heyward tomorrow.

[The Chosen One]

^^^ I hate I'm missing that: I'm outside grilling. Lemke is on the radio side in place of Sutton,and, I must say, he's pretty good at it.

In short, he says he's obviously really happy for all 3, but if he had to rank them he says he always knew Tommy/Greg would be HOF, he just wanted to make sure Bobby was recognized and that he's thankful for everything Bobby did for him (trading for him, etc.)

He also says all the HOF interviews are pre-screened and have to be submitted to the Hall before they speak. He says he wants to hear Maddux because he says Greg always gave crap and terrible interviews...

He also says Greg was the master of making his defense look better than it was to win GG's. He'd jump up a foot to "snatch" the ball to make it seem out of routine... He says once he wins an award, it's hard not to win it again.

[The Chosen One]

Lemer always sounds drunk to me

Drunk or Stoned.

[TomahawkCult]

^ This is just a wild guess, but I think that is how he controls his northern accent.

[The Chosen One]

^ This is just a wild guess, but I think that is how he controls his northern accent.

Well he's from a part of New York that's kind of like country... so the accent shouldn't be the issue.

You have to listen to him consistently. He legitimately does sound like he's drunk by the answers he gives.

[BravesBlock]

I swear if the right deal came along I'd deal Heyward tomorrow.

Wait until he is on a hot streak and then maximize the trade to get us a true lead off hitter - which is what this team needs.

[The Chosen One]

Wait until he is on a hot streak and then maximize the trade to get us a true lead off hitter - which is what this team needs.
I'd rather keep Heyward than get a "true leadoff hitter".

[The Chosen One]

Harang just couldn't quite get it past Rizzo at 90 mph...

[nsacpi]

Bullpen time.

[VirginiaBrave]

I'd rather keep Heyward than get a "true leadoff hitter".

Offensively he is a mess, and darn sure doesn't need to hitting lead off.

[The Chosen One]

Offensively he is a mess, and darn sure doesn't need to hitting lead off.

Ok, so why give up a player with Heyward's value, to get a "true leadoff" hitter.

Michael Bourn was a true leadoff hitter, Heyward when he's on can run circles around Bourn. Heyward isn't even 25 yet... lol

[TURBO]

Harang has been huge for us.

[The Chosen One]

0-3 night for Pastor. Time to put Uggla back in as a defensive replacement. :tchop:

[Dalyn]

I am so ready for Stella!

[TURBO]

I am so ready for Stella!

Just happy for NotUggla

[The Chosen One]

BABIP LORD

[UNCBlue012]

Chris Johnson is a really really smart hitter. His swing is a thing of beauty. I hope he continues to do work.

[VirginiaBrave]

Ok, so why give up a player with Heyward's value, to get a "true leadoff" hitter.

Michael Bourn was a true leadoff hitter, Heyward when he's on can run circles around Bourn. Heyward isn't even 25 yet... lol

For me the issue has nothing to do with age, but performance. When he came up we all thought he would be an MVP candidate at some point. Unless he makes some adjustments I don't see it. He stands to far off the plate and pull happy too. If we could find the right partner willing to do a 3 for 1 or 2 for 4 we'd be fools not to do it. No need in extending him in my opinion.

[The Chosen One]

For me the issue has nothing to do with age, but performance. When he came up we all thought he would be an MVP candidate at some point. Unless he makes some adjustments I don't see it. He stands to far off the plate and pull happy too. If we could find the right partner willing to do a 3 for 1 or 2 for 4 we'd be fools not to do it. No need in extending him in my opinion.

Who's the last right fielder we had that was worth keeping? Who was the last right fielder that played elite defense we had? Not talking about Francoeur because all he had was a throwing arm...

[jsebe10]

Drunk or Stoned.

Either or...

I know he is as gay as a two dollar bill, though...Nothing wrong with that, of course..

[jsebe10]

Who's the last right fielder we had that was worth keeping? Who was the last right fielder that played elite defense we had? Not talking about Francoeur because all he had was a throwing arm...

David Justice...Gary Sheffield...JD Drew...

[The Chosen One]

It's good to see us hitting the ball with some authoritah again.

[The Chosen One]

David Justice...Gary Sheffield...JD Drew...

We couldn't afford Sheffield at market value. We couldn't afford JD Drew at market value.

The Justice trade was almost 18 years ago.

So I guess finding an affordable right fielder who is as productive as Heyward isn't as easy as we thought...

[VirginiaBrave]

Who's the last right fielder we had that was worth keeping? Who was the last right fielder that played elite defense we had? Not talking about Francoeur because all he had was a throwing arm...

Move J Upton to right...

[jsebe10]

We couldn't afford Sheffield at market value. We couldn't afford JD Drew at market value.

The Justice trade was almost 18 years ago.

So I guess finding an affordable right fielder who is as productive as Heyward isn't as easy as we thought...

We could have definitely afforded those two...Whether or not ownership wanted to pony up the doe, thats a different story..

[The Chosen One]

Move J Upton to right...

lol. Upton is nowhere near the defender Heyward is. We can all see that with our eyes.

So that brings me back to my original question, who was the last LF we had worth keeping? (Not including Chipper).

Corner outfielder even.

[VirginiaBrave]

Either or...

I know he is as gay as a two dollar bill, though...Nothing wrong with that, of course..

Always heard that was Jeff Blauser...

[The Chosen One]

We could have definitely afforded those two...Whether or not ownership wanted to pony up the doe, thats a different story..

We couldn't afford it.

Team gives McGuirk and JS the budget every year, that's that. Remember Liberty was pissed that we signed Santana without them knowing. Time Warner at the time ran the Braves almost the same way.

[The Chosen One]

Oh noes. Thomas is back... :Gasp:

[Dalyn]

Varvaro is going to 7th-man himself to the HOF.

[jsebe10]

Always heard that was Jeff Blauser...

I was at a softball tourney in Dallas, GA and he was there with a few other Braves alum and damn if he didn't walk up holding hands with some dude...My brother and I kinda chuckled and shook our heads

[jsebe10]

This fckn ump squeezed Ian twice that AB...come on man

[Dalyn]

Chin needs to pull it together.

[The Chosen One]

Brother pitching to brother. This is kind of weird.

[jsebe10]

Damn good outing from Ian Thomas...

[UNCBlue012]

I'm not sure how many of you agree, but I love Ian Thomas. I think he could be huge down the stretch for this team.

[jsebe10]

I'm not sure how many of you agree, but I love Ian Thomas. I think he could be huge down the stretch for this team.

+1

[nsacpi]

Well done Ian Thomas!

[buck7580]

And well done to Timothy Miller on "God Bless America."

[jsebe10]

Dan needs to hit a bomb right here

[jsebe10]

HBP!!!! Dan will be in the lineup tomorrow night

[The Chosen One]

Alright Uggs. Pink Power.

[The Chosen One]

lol fans cheering the HBP because it's the only way Uggs can get on-base.

[jsebe10]

Come on Jason....hit this damn lefty

[The Chosen One]

Come on Jason....hit this damn lefty

TRADE HIM NOW.

[jsebe10]

THATTTTAAA BOOOYY!!!! THATS WHAT WE NEED!!!

[NinersSBChamps]

Sweet stroke. Finally he turns on one.

[parkvadawg]

Booms

[The Chosen One]

Uggla is the talisman.

[VirginiaBrave]

I was at a softball tourney in Dallas, GA and he was there with a few other Braves alum and damn if he didn't walk up holding hands with some dude...My brother and I kinda chuckled and shook our heads

Lemke did that? That took guts...

[UNCBlue012]

JHEY BABY

[Garmel]

Heyward needed that.

[NinersSBChamps]

Really hope Kimbrel will not be used today.

[buck7580]

When is the Heyward trade going down?

[Julio3000]

Clutch. Just a pro AB.

Too bad this team is HORRIBLE.

[nsacpi]

#DoNotTradetheHeyward

[The Chosen One]

#DoNotTradetheHeyward

Heyward doesn't hit that homer if Uggla doesn't shake up the pitcher's control via the HBP.

[parkvadawg]

HORRIBLE

[jsebe10]

Heyward needed that.

He and the team did

[nsacpi]

Heyward doesn't hit that homer if Uggla doesn't shake up the pitcher's control via the HBP.

#DoNotReleasetheUggla

[UNCBlue012]

Alex Wood is in!

[buck7580]

Dan in for "defense."

[Dalyn]

Nice to see CJ climbing toward .300 where he belongs.

[sturg33]

Simmons has definitely lost some of his aweomeness in the last few weeks.

[jsebe10]

Gattis about ambush a fastball here

[VirginiaBrave]

See all somebody had to do was mention a trade lol, but in all seriousness 3 HRs and 10 RBI's six weeks in is just not enough with his supposed talent.

[parkvadawg]

Good thing 6 weeks doesn't define a season

[Dalyn]

Kimbrel could get #150 tonight. Would be nice.

[Dalyn]

Guess not.

[TURBO]

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[drewdat]

Nice catch Beej.

[The Chosen One]

Won 4 out of 5. Woooooo

[Dalyn]

:eusa_dance:

[nsacpi]

Cubs outhit us tonight. Kinda sad.

[CyYoung31]

Still just a winning streak?

[buck7580]

Thanks Cubbies

[parkvadawg]

Trying to think back but it seems like the Cubs have ended losing streaks for us often over the years

[USMA76]

I realize we can't get too giddy about beating the Cubs but at least we've stopped the bleeding for now.

[stpeteirish]

cubs might be worse than the astro's, they're bad.

[Dalyn]

Trying to think back but it seems like the Cubs have ended losing streaks often over the years

Yeah.

[jsebe10]

Stop the bleeding and gaining a few games in the division in the process...Oakland is beating the piss outta Washington 7-0 in the 3rd and the Pads are up on the Tunas 1-0...

[NinersSBChamps]

The Cubs were just what the doctor ordered.

[jpx7]

Harang has been huge for us.

I don't think he's that size for our sakes.

[cajunrevenge]

The Cubs were just what the doctor ordered.

Well one of the biggest complaints every year is that we don't beat up on the bad teams. Along with we can't hit good pitching and we cant hit bad pitching.

[The Chosen One]

Well one of the biggest complaints every year is that we don't beat up on the bad teams. pitching.

We've owned the Nationals quite handily in recent memory.

[Julio3000]

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[Julio3000]

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[jsebe10]

Padres busted it wide open on the Marlins...5-0 now....Cant over achieve at home and **** yourself on the road and expect to be in the post season

[parkvadawg]

Well one of the biggest complaints every year is that we don't beat up on the bad teams. Along with we can't hit good pitching and we cant hit bad pitching.

Lol while it hasn't been bad here that always cracked me up on the old board. According to the board we could only hit Starters with era's between 3.0 and 3.35

[VirginiaBrave]

The most amazing thing is that no team was able to really take advantage of the losing streak.

[cajunrevenge]

They took advantage in the sense that they might not be double digit games back before June.

[Dalyn]

Harang with another quality start. Awesome.

[The Chosen One]

Harang with another quality start. Awesome.

Suddenly you've become a good luck charm. :flirty:

[Dalyn]

Suddenly you've become a good luck charm. :flirty:

:cooter:

[The Chosen One]

:cooter:

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[zitothebrave]

Cubs can suck

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[rico43]

The most amazing thing is that no team was able to really take advantage of the losing streak.

That's why that week may have as much to do with the Braves winning the East this year as anything. Hard to imagine the Braves having another streak like that.

[thethe]

Geez, how much longer is Harang going to pitch this well. His contribution can't be understated. If he can hold out for another month or two that will basically ensure that Wood is starting for us come postseason time and even that may not be a given with teh way that Floyd could pitch.

[thewupk]

Geez, how much longer is Harang going to pitch this well. His contribution can't be understated. If he can hold out for another month or two that will basically ensure that Wood is starting for us come postseason time and even that may not be a given with teh way that Floyd could pitch.

sub 3 FIP with a K/9 over 9. Pretty amazing.

[50PoundHead]

sub 3 FIP with a K/9 over 9. Pretty amazing.

He could implode at any time, but I think anyone who complains about Harang at this point needs to mainline Metamucil. We are not where we're currently at without him.

Freddy Garcia? He was so much in demand that he's pitching in Taiwan.

[nsacpi]

Harang's peripherals are pretty good now. I still think he's our sixth best starter, but would keep him in the rotation for a bit longer to control Wood's innings.

[sturg33]

He's our best strikeout pitcher

[nsacpi]

He's our best strikeout pitcher

Hard to believe but true.

His K/9 innings numbers have gone up quite a bit from recent years:

2011 6.4
2012 6.5
2013 7.1
2014 9.7

His pitch selection has not changed much. His pitches look hittable. The only thing I can think of is maybe he has made a subtle change that is getting him some late movement that he wasn't getting in recent years. I also think the sample size for 2014 may still be small enough as to be unreliable guides. But the sample is no longer tiny and data for strikeout rates tend to stabilize pretty quickly.

[thethe]

I feel like his slider has a lot of late hard movement. I'm not surprised that he is getting all these strikeouts. I think also pitching in a pitcher friendly park has emboldened him to be more aggressive with his fastball. He couldn't elevate that pitch in cinny.

[stpeteirish]

So who's more likely to "implode" Harang, coming off some bad years or Floyd, coming off Tommy John? I'm not sure.

[thethe]

I don't believe Floyd will implode at all. Brave fans for some reason still don't acknowledge how good this guy was in the AL in a big time hitters ballpark.

[nsacpi]

I feel like his slider has a lot of late hard movement. I'm not surprised that he is getting all these strikeouts. I think also pitching in a pitcher friendly park has emboldened him to be more aggressive with his fastball. He couldn't elevate that pitch in cinny.

Yeah, but he's been pitching in San Diego, Seattle, LA in recent years. Pitcher friendly ballparks.

[Julio3000]

I feel like his slider has a lot of late hard movement. I'm not surprised that he is getting all these strikeouts. I think also pitching in a pitcher friendly park has emboldened him to be more aggressive with his fastball. He couldn't elevate that pitch in cinny.

That's the impression I had of him in CIN. Around the plate, fastballs up, lots of HRs.

He's throwing a two-seamer more often, and the slider and change less often. I don't know if we can expect the guy to keep giving up HR at practically a third of his career rates, but damn, I have to tip my cap to the big fella.

[nsacpi]

His swinging strike percentage is 10.1, the highest its been since 2007. In the prior three years its been 8.4%, 7.6%, 7.8%. That's why I'm guessing he has a bit more late movement this year. His velocity is not up.

[zitothebrave]

He could implode at any time, but I think anyone who complains about Harang at this point needs to mainline Metamucil. We are not where we're currently at without him.

Freddy Garcia? He was so much in demand that he's pitching in Taiwan.

Mainline Metamucil maybe the best phrase I've read on this board in some time.

[thethe]

Just reading through some of fangraphs stats today and noticed that Julio Teheran only has .5 WAR which is 65th out of all starting pitchers. These are the types of issues with WAR that I have. That is ridiculous. I don't care what his strand rate is. I don't care what his fly ball rate is or his strikeout rate. Teheran is a freakin stud.

[nsacpi]

Just reading through some of fangraphs stats today and noticed that Julio Teheran only has .5 WAR which is 65th out of all starting pitchers. These are the types of issues with WAR that I have. That is ridiculous. I don't care what his strand rate is. I don't care what his fly ball rate is or his strikeout rate. Teheran is a freakin stud.

Teheran is getting dinged for the .188 BABIP and relatively high flyball rate. He also started out the season with some low strikeout games (13 in his first four games). His strikeout rate has been much better the last few games (29 in his last four starts).

[thethe]

Teheran is getting dinged for the .188 BABIP and relatively high flyball rate. He also started out the season with some low strikeout games. His strikeout rate has been much better the last few games.

Of course Teheran has a low BABIP. His fastball has absurd movement on it. Nobody is squaring up the ball against him. Not to mention that changeup is slowly coming along this year.

[nsacpi]

Of course Teheran has a low BABIP. His fastball has absurd movement on it. Nobody is squaring up the ball against him. Not to mention that changeup is slowly coming along this year.

Yeah, but there have been plenty of great pitchers with great movement that have not been able to sustain that kind of BABIP.

[Braves1976]

Great to sweep but not surprising that we did given the Cubs lack of power, etc. Our fly ball pitchers really matched up well against the Cubs who lack so much in the power area. Personally, I wasn't impressed with Harang yesterday but I loved the results. I thought he got away with some mistakes that a good team with power doesn't miss. Further, the ump wasn't giving the low strike and that cost both pitchers at times, Jackson mostly. But Harang was getting pitches rather high and away called strikes that more often than not were off the plate. That really helped him out at key times, while not calling the low strike only hurt him once (on the walk to Rizzo IIRC).

That said, I wish we could play the Cubs more but for the rest of the month our schedule gets tough again.

[yeezus]

I remember just a couple of members here flipping their lid when we opted for Harang over Garcia. Chances Garcia is pitching nearly this well? 0%?

[NinersSBChamps]

I remember just a couple of members here flipping their lid when we opted for Harang over Garcia. Chances Garcia is pitching nearly this well? 0%?

Chances Garcia pitches in America again?

[Julio3000]

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[cajunrevenge]

I remember just a couple of members here flipping their lid when we opted for Harang over Garcia. Chances Garcia is pitching nearly this well? 0%?

No one in their right mind would have given Harang a 1% chance to do this well either.

[UNCBlue012]

I don't believe Floyd will implode at all. Brave fans for some reason still don't acknowledge how good this guy was in the AL in a big time hitters ballpark.

I'm in agreement here. I like Floyd and I like his stuff/composure. His stuff is hittable, but he's a great groundball pitcher with a very solid defense behind him. I'm a fan, all around. I think he would fit perfectly down the stretch with Teheran, Minor, Santana, Floyd, Wood/Harang

[Braves1976]

I've said all along that I prefer Floyd to Harang and it isn't close IMO. Harang's start is a fluke and depending on who he faces his numbers will get more back to his track record. Keep in mind that like Harang Derek Lowe started great to this point his final year starting with Cleveland. Then he turned into the washed up pumpkin that he really was all along and ended up released that same season. I am not saying that extreme will happen with Harang but I also wouldn't rule it out. Further, Floyd on the other hand should do better in the NL with Simmons behind him and no Uggla assuming his starting days are ending. Floyd had some good years pitching in a hitter friendly ballpark and the AL. No reason to think he cannot do it again here if healthy.

[The Chosen One]

How about a wild twist.

Trade Harang for pen help, Sign Freddy Garcia for depth.

[thethe]

I'd wait to trade Harang for another month or two unless the offer is crazy. I don't think we will end up getting anything of value for him either way.

[Braves1976]

I'd wait to trade Harang for another month or two unless the offer is crazy. I don't think we will end up getting anything of value for him either way.

I will be surprised if his numbers look anywhere near this good in two months, at least if he stays in the rotation that long.

[PawPawMaxwell]

I remember just a couple of members here flipping their lid when we opted for Harang over Garcia. Chances Garcia is pitching nearly this well? 0%?

I wonder what happened to the AUPussyCat?

[thethe]

I will be surprised if his numbers look anywhere near this good in two months, at least if he stays in the rotation that long.

I agree. I just don't think other GM's are going to give us anything of value if he is traded now or in two months. I'd just hold out hope he can continue. He isn't getting by on smoke and mirrors at this point.

[Powder Blues]

I agree! He is getting by with legit stuff right now. While he may not keep this up all season, it is not smoke and mirrors. He gives us a legit chance to win, each time out.




I agree. I just don't think other GM's are going to give us anything of value if he is traded now or in two months. I'd just hold out hope he can continue. He isn't getting by on smoke and mirrors at this point.