GDT #38: May 13, 2014 Bravos (Minor) @ Los Gigantes (Vogelsong)

[Prikichi]

Good guys

1. JHey RF
2. Jup LF
3. Fredex 1B
4. El Oso C
5. Chris 3B
6. The other Upton CF
7. Platinum Glover SS
8. Mikey P
9. Pastor 2B

Giants

1. Pagan CF
2. Pence RF
3. Posey C
4. Morse LF
5. Sandoval 3B
6. Sanchez 1B
7. Hicks 2B
8. Crawford SS
9. Vogelsong P


I personally think this is the best lineup Fredi has assembled this year given the circumstances. Expecting big things from our offense tonight.

[Hawk]

With the Dutch on our side tonight, we are sure to come away victorious.

[stpeteirish]

Very warm for San Fran today, should be a good night for the bats. Keep em in the park, Mike.

Can we finally start hitting? Vogelsong's a pretty average pitcher who doesn't strike a lot of guys out. I'd say tonight we break out but we should have done that already.

[stpeteirish]

Good guys

1. JHey RF
2. Jup LF
3. Fredex 1B
4. El Oso C
5. Chris 3B
6. The other Upton CF
7. Platinum Glover SS
8. Mikey P
9. Pastor 2B

Giants

1. Pagan CF
2. Pence RF
3. Posey C
4. Morse LF
5. Sandoval 3B
6. Sanchez 1B
7. Hicks 2B
8. Crawford SS
9. Vogelsong P


I personally think this is the best lineup Fredi has assembled this year given the circumstances. Expecting big things from our offense tonight.

even the usual lineup construction complaints should be muted tonight.

[Prikichi]

Calling it now, Multi HR game for Heyward tonight.

[The Chosen One]

Expecting a Minor game from Mikey.

[Prikichi]

even the usual lineup construction complaints should be muted tonight.

Now now, let's not get ahead of ourselves Pete.

[tvsportscaster]

David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves · 2m
#Braves Fredi G plans to play Pastornicky more at 2b for now and let Pena go back to utility role

[The Chosen One]

David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves · 2m
#Braves Fredi G plans to play Pastornicky more at 2b for now and let Pena go back to utility role

:eusa_dance:

[jpack1]

Really hope Pastor takes the opportunity and grabs it. It's now or never for him, if he fails TLS will be up in early June.

[tvsportscaster]

:eusa_dance:

I think the benching of Uggla means the Braves must have finally come to the conclusion they have to get rid of him, how and when is now the question, but my guess is by June 1st Uggla will be gone and if Pastornicky can't get the job done we'll see LaStella. I also would like to see either Pastornicky or Simmons leading off and Jason Heyward moving down in the lineup. I think he would relax more.

[The Chosen One]

Pena's D is way more shoddy than Pastor at 2nd.

Looks like it's Pastor's to lose. Uggla is essentially out and TLS will be given a chance if Pastor fails... then looks like a TLS Pastor platoon perhaps.

[jsebe10]

92 at the thighs and Upton swings riiiiggghhhhtttt through it.

[jsebe10]

Mike better get the ball down. Lol

[NinersSBChamps]

hoping I can watch this whole game instead of having to watch basketball.

[GovClintonTyree]

Why does Mike Minor pitch up so much? He obviously does it on purpose. I was always taught to work down; and if I go up, go way up. He seems to be in no mans land when he gets hurt.

[GovClintonTyree]

That spike curve is the pitch of the decade. I read an interview with Alex Wood and tried it with Lil Guv, who learned it in five minutes. Struck two guys out with it last night. It's easy to throw and easy on the arm. It's a little shorter than a real Koufax/Kershaw one, but harder to recognize.

[tvsportscaster]

Nice to see the Braves ripping the cover off the ball again. Yikes, they're horrific.

[NinersSBChamps]

BJ to the umpire. "Do you think I suck?" Umpire responds. "No doubt." BJ is unclear with his answer and asks again. Umpire responds with same answer as before. BJ acknowledges by nodding his head up and down.

[Russ2dollas]

looked like they plan was to only throw off speed pitches for strikes vs gattis.

do the braves lead the league in striking out looking?

[The Chosen One]

Gonna go with rich aurilia for the trivia question.

[NinersSBChamps]

Can Julio play second base? He would be a better option at the plate.

[tvsportscaster]

I've never seen a team that strikes out as much as this team and makes mediocre pitching looked great.

[NinersSBChamps]

Gonna go with rich aurilia for the trivia question.

Good call.

[NinersSBChamps]

I've never seen a team that strikes out as much as this team and makes mediocre pitching looked great.

Yep Vogelsong is pretty average. And that's being nice.

[jsebe10]

Career high Ks for this hook nose is 8 and he's got 5 through 3.... Lmao

[GovClintonTyree]

I've never seen a team that strikes out as much as this team and makes mediocre pitching looked great.

We're not a good hitting team right now. But we can't be this bad.


Right?

[NinersSBChamps]

We're not a good hitting team right now. But we can't be this bad.


Right?
It's been going on all season. Amazing starting pitching masked it.

[NinersSBChamps]

lol an 88 mPH fastball and Justin is blown away.

[The Chosen One]

Lol a triple for Gattis bahahaha

[NinersSBChamps]

Really is triples alley...

[nsacpi]

The Gorn

[The Chosen One]

Lol CJ way to drive the runner in....

[CJC]

Hey... This is weird... What happens when we have a point and the other team doesn't?

[cajunrevenge]

It's been going on all season. Amazing starting pitching masked it.

Reminds me of the early and mid 90's braves

[The Chosen One]

Blue has a really wide zone tonight.

[NinersSBChamps]

Hey... This is weird... What happens when we have a point and the other team doesn't?

This isn't basketball.

We score runs.

[The Chosen One]

Upton hosed twice. Story of the inning is CJ not moving runner over.

[parkvadawg]

Wow not a strike

[jsebe10]

I hate umpires.

[The Chosen One]

Where is Julio? Need the talisman.

[NinersSBChamps]

Was way outside. A real major leaguer gets the benefit there.

[CJC]

This isn't basketball.

We score runs.

I don't know who you are, but my team doesn't score runs. It scores run.

[The Chosen One]

Was way outside. A real major leaguer gets the benefit there.

Enough with that.

[zitothebrave]

Hey... This is weird... What happens when we have a point and the other team doesn't?

Me make sure to defend our wickets!

[NinersSBChamps]

Upton hosed twice. Story of the inning is CJ not moving runner over.

His first strike out was right on the corner. Was an excellent pitch. This last one was about six inches further then the first one.

[jsebe10]

Here's my thing. Why didn't the Cuban Fat Ass get off his fck hole and go out there and they say a few things to the umpire. Might even light a fire under your team..,you know? Being a manager.

[NinersSBChamps]

Enough with that.

How many guys are getting paid almost 15 million a season and hover around the Mendoza line?

[CJC]

Was this in play when he dropped it?

http://i.imgur.com/lwiJELi.jpg

[NinersSBChamps]

Minor looking good tonight. Hopefully he can earn a win for his good start. Assuming it continues.

[zitothebrave]

And people want T-Pas over TLS :/

[The Chosen One]

Heyward is soo good in right.

[cajunrevenge]

How many guys are getting paid almost 15 million a season and hover around the Mendoza line?

Uggla

[The Chosen One]

Uggla

McCann at .213

[The Chosen One]

Heyward just smoaked that.

[The Chosen One]

Such a great base runner.

[NinersSBChamps]

McCann won't be a .200 hitter. You are smarter than that. Uggla is another Wren bad decision. So the Braves have two of the worst players in all of baseball. That's something to hang your hat on.

[NinersSBChamps]

Such a great base runner.

Wonder why guys don't do that more often. As much as I dislike Harper, he does that from time to time as well. Just a smart play.

[The Chosen One]

McCann won't be a .200 hitter. You are smarter than that. Uggla is another Wren bad decision. So the Braves have two of the worst players in all of baseball. That's something to hang your hat on.

McCann is trending down. Have you watched him? Lol

[cajunrevenge]

McCann at .213

I don't think its fair to include players like McCann that haven't done it over a full season yet. I think Granderson is gonna go BJ on the mets. Reading their "he is gonna come around" posts are eerily similar to what we went thru with BJ. But unlike BJ I think it as very obvious Granderson was going to blow outside of Yankee stadium.

[The Chosen One]

Lol Heyward is the man. Hahahah

[parkvadawg]

Wow lol

[NinersSBChamps]

That is going to be overturned.

[zitothebrave]

Fredex!

[CrimsonCowboy]

WOW!

[parkvadawg]

That is going to be overturned.

No its not

[CJC]

MVFreeman

[The Chosen One]

Here's a chance for umps to screw us twice in two nights.

[NinersSBChamps]

He gets him on the back.

[Runnin]

Could we please find a 3rd base coach?

[The Chosen One]

He gets him on the back.

No he didn't. The front angle looks like but the other angles are clear no.

Are you really a fan? You're in gilesfan territory now.

[NinersSBChamps]

Here's a chance for umps to screw us twice in two nights.

My goodness give it a rest. BJ was clearly out last night.

[The Chosen One]

My goodness give it a rest. BJ was clearly out last night.

No he wasn't. Watch it again and again. The tag was in between his legs.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Notice that there was no argument from Posey?

[parkvadawg]

My goodness give it a rest. BJ was clearly out last night.

While I agree BJ was out, Jason was safe

[zitothebrave]

BTW Jason just made a run happen.

[zitothebrave]

Notice that there was no argument from Posey?

And you know he's a giant whiner.

[NinersSBChamps]

BTW Jason just made a run happen.

Don't you mean point?

[The Chosen One]

You know you suck if you walk Gattis. Anything half a foot out the zone he'll swing.

[NinersSBChamps]

No he wasn't. Watch it again and again. The tag was in between his legs.

I don't need to watch it again and again. You are the one still dwelling on a correct call from last night.

How does Posey manage to miss him?

[The Chosen One]

Heyward is the best baseball player on the team. What a player.

[NinersSBChamps]

You know you suck if you walk Gattis. Anything half a foot out the zone he'll swing.

0-2 to a walk. And he has a STAND UP TRIPLE.

[The Chosen One]

I don't need to watch it again and again. You are the one still dwelling on a correct call from last night.

How does Posey manage to miss him?

The call was wrong last night.

Posey missed him because he never tagged him as last night.

[NinersSBChamps]

I am going to go with Will Clark for the trivia question. Just to throw a different name out there.

[cajunrevenge]

Don't you mean point?

Goal?

[The Chosen One]

Bossmannnnnnnn

[CrimsonCowboy]

Alright BJ!

[NinersSBChamps]

Wow BJ with a good at bat. Good to see him go right back up the middle.

[TomahawkCult]

I'm glad I stayed up to see this half inning!

[parkvadawg]

The horrible offense having a great inning in all phases

[The Chosen One]

Hitting is contagious. Heyward sparked the team. No denying it.

[NinersSBChamps]

:emot-siren.gif.17:

[CrimsonCowboy]

I am going to go with Will Clark for the trivia question. Just to throw a different name out there.

I'm going with Matt Williams

[CrimsonCowboy]

Braves scoring runs is cool

[NinersSBChamps]

Most encouraging thing is that we didn't need a home run. Good at bats all around this inning.

[The Chosen One]

Heyward made some good catches last inning.

Starts with a rip single.. advances on a sac fly that 99% of major leaguers don't. Scores by avoiding the tag...

[zitothebrave]

What is this number that looks like a rounded Z? Braves never see that happen in one innig.

[jsebe10]

Damn good inning boys.

[The Chosen One]

I'm going with Matt Williams

Rich Aurilia had a 200 hit season in 01 or 02 one of Bonds' insane years. If willy or matty played around then I'll concede.

[NinersSBChamps]

I'm going with Matt Williams

I am pretty sure it's Bill Mueller though.

[jsebe10]

I'm going with Matt Williams

What was the question?

[NinersSBChamps]

What is this number that looks like a rounded Z? Braves never see that happen in one innig.

Usually takes an entire game for that to happen. Sometimes more.

[zitothebrave]

Heyward made some good catches last inning.

Starts with a rip single.. advances on a sac fly that 99% of major leaguers don't. Scores by avoiding the tag...

Imagine what he could do if he liked baseball. He would have socred from first on that Sac fly. Then stole first when he wasn't even at bat.

[tvsportscaster]

The call was wrong last night.

Posey missed him because he never tagged him as last night.

BJ was out last night, Fredi admitted after seeing the replay after the game and BJ said the same thing after seeing it today. He was tagged on the trail foot before the front foot hit the bag.

[The Chosen One]

What was the question?
Last giants player to record 200 hits in a season.

[Fredi Gonzalez]

About time the players started listening to me. I kept telling them we needed crooked numbers. Manager of the year here I come.

[The Chosen One]

BJ was out last night, Fredi admitted after seeing the replay after the game and BJ said the same thing after seeing it today. He was tagged on the trail foot before the front foot hit the bag.

Do you really believe what Fredi says?

[NinersSBChamps]

Last giants player to record 200 hits in a season.

I had to look it up since I already made my guess.

[Fredi Gonzalez]

Do you really believe what Fredi says?

I can't find the downvote button

[NinersSBChamps]

I can't find the downvote button

And you can't find a second basemen either.

[The Chosen One]

I can't find the downvote button

I'm siding with you implying you weren't giving thr media straight answer. ... poker face boss.

[NinersSBChamps]

But you clearly have no trouble finding a meal.

[NinersSBChamps]

Beckett tossing a gem against the fish.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Uh oh

[USMA76]

Actually surprised Simmons didn't get to that ball hit by Pence.

[CrimsonCowboy]

SIT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[NinersSBChamps]

Way to battle MM!

[The Chosen One]

LOLsey.

[The Chosen One]

That was no Minor feat.

[NinersSBChamps]

LOLsey.

POSey

[Fredi Gonzalez]

And you can't find a second basemen either.

That's just not true. I always find Lemke when we play marco polo.

[USMA76]

Is it legal under the rules of baseball for a Braves second baseman to get a hit?

[The Chosen One]

Hurray for Pastor.

[The Chosen One]

What a hit for Jup.

[zitothebrave]

I'm siding with you implying you weren't giving thr media straight answer. ... poker face boss.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loqzjyti4V1qhgxnfo1_400.gif

[bravesnumberone]

Umpire is freaking horrible.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Overturn that

[NinersSBChamps]

How can the umpire miss that?

[Garmel]

Looks like we're going to be given a 5th run.

[The Chosen One]

Umpire(s) arefreaking horrible.

Correction

[The Chosen One]

I think Gattis takes pitches just to see what happens.

[The Chosen One]

Lol strike 3 was the same pitch as ball 3...

[The Chosen One]

Lol Ramiro Pena is a defensive sub over Pastor.... hahahahaha

[Mrs. Meta]

Lol Ramiro Pena is a defensive sub over Pastor.... hahahahaha

... But the snow says Pena is better defensively. :Sad:

[CrimsonCowboy]

Great job, Ian!

[CrimsonCowboy]

I hope the Braves new stadium gets half the praise when it opens as AT&T Park does.

[cajunrevenge]

Ho hum, another 6 2/3rds inning start from the starter. Remember when no one but Hudson and Smoltz could go 6 innings with any kind of consistency.

[NinersSBChamps]

I hope the Braves new stadium gets half the praise when it opens as AT&T Park does.

It will probably get half the people AT&T Park does too.

[NinersSBChamps]

Ho hum, another 6 2/3rds inning start from the starter. Remember when no one but Hudson and Smoltz could go 6 innings with any kind of consistency.

Yeah it's pretty crazy to think it's abnormal for a starter to not have a quality start for the Braves.

[zitothebrave]

Yeah it's pretty crazy to think it's abnormal for a starter to not have a quality start for the Braves.

It's not just the quality start aspect. We reguarly had quality starts. They just were 6 IP variety. Now the beauty is having pretty much everyone able to go 7 full.

[thewupk]

It will probably get half the people AT&T Park does too.

I think youll be surprised at the attendance spike

[NinersSBChamps]

I think youll be surprised at the attendance spike

A city that can't sellout playoff games.

[CrimsonCowboy]

It still amazes me that the seagulls in San Francisco know when a game is close to being over.

[thewupk]

A city that can't sellout playoff games.

In case you missed it there have been several cities not sell out playoff games when they aren't in prime time slots.

[The Chosen One]

A city that can't sellout playoff games.

You have never been to Atlanta so you have no idea how terrible the traveling is for a regular season game let alone playoff.

[CJC]

You have never been to Atlanta so you have no idea how terrible the traveling is for a regular season game let alone playoff.

It will cut 30-40 min off of my trip from Knoxville... I'll probably try to catch more Friday games when I can.

[NinersSBChamps]

You have never been to Atlanta

Yes I have.

[The Chosen One]

Lol umpire wants to end the game faster.

[goldfly]

so niner is in a bad mood


It will probably get half the people AT&T Park does too.

how much you want to bet that we average more than 20k a game in a new park that is closer to more season ticket holders now?

[goldfly]

great to see 5 runs today

hope we can take the series tomorrow

[NinersSBChamps]

so niner is in a bad mood



how much you want to bet that we average more than 20k a game in a new park that is closer to more season ticket holders now?

Still under fifty percent capacity?

[mcollier]

I know BJ strikes out WAYY too much, but on two of his strikeouts tonight, the 3rd strike was clearly outside according to Fox Trax. It seems like at least once per game, BJ gets out on a called 3rd strike that was not a strike.

I would be interested to see a leaderboard on called strikeouts that ended with a called strike outside the zone...trying to find a way to defend BJ. Any takers?

By the way, this west coast trip is always hard on me. I live in Arkansas and have to get up at 510 to drive a school bus before teaching history all day. Is it possible to slur your writing??? :)

[NinersSBChamps]

so niner is in a bad mood



how much you want to bet that we average more than 20k a game in a new park that is closer to more season ticket holders now?
And according to that sports site we are averaging 27K this season.

[UNCBlue012]

I don't care what the Hale any of you say, David is a very good pitcher.

[thewupk]

I bet we top 3 million easy the first year it's open if the team is good.

[The Chosen One]

Matt Carpenter and Pablo make me want to punch them through the tv.

[NinersSBChamps]

I bet we top 3 million easy the first year it's open if the team is good.

37K a game is a tall task.

[NinersSBChamps]

Matt Carpenter and Pablo make me want to punch them through the tv.

Stick to Carpenter. Pablo's stomach will eat your fist.

[goldfly]

Still under fifty percent capacity?

what?

you said


It will probably get half the people AT&T Park does too.

the Giants average: 41,884 this year

around that the year before etc

so, you are saying the Braves will be lucky to get 20.5k a game

we already average more than that now

so, again

how much would you like to bet that it is more than "It will probably get half the people AT&T Park does"

[The Chosen One]

37K a game is a tall task.
.
Turner field first season was decent

[goldfly]

And according to that sports site we are averaging 27K this season.

yep

and once summer hits, we will bump up more around the 30k area for the year.

still, more than the 20.5k you think a new park being built in the heart of season ticket holders that already go to games on the other side of town and a pain in the ass to get to

[thewupk]

37K a game is a tall task.

Yeah but new stadiums bring the people. And moving it to where most of your ticket holders are will only increase that. The Twins went from 2.4 million to 3.2 million when they moved to a new stadium and they were division winners each of those years.

[thewupk]

.
Turner field first season was decent

3.4 million that year. A 500K bump from the previous season

[goldfly]

.
Turner field first season was decent

43k a game

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

[bravesnumberone]

Woo, a refreshing win. Great outing by Minor tonight.

[UNCBlue012]

WINNNNN

[goldfly]

nice win

let's get the series tomorrow :chop:

[cajunrevenge]

I bet we top 3 million easy the first year it's open if the team is good.

If? This team has had 2 losing seasons in the last 24 years.

[thewupk]

If? This team has had 2 losing seasons in the last 24 years.

Good and winning seasons aren't always the same thing.

[USMA76]

Nice win. At least we won't get skunked by the Giants this year.

[tomahawkchop10]

Great overall game tonight. Hopefully we can get a series win tm. Bummy will be really tough but I have faith in Julio.

[Braves1976]

Great game by Minor tonight, good to see him back on top of his game again. Great game by Gattis again, it's time we start giving him more credit IMO. He leads all MLB catchers in homers and had another big extra base hit tonight (a triple). He also should've walked twice (that strike three call his last AB was the same pitch that was a ball the pitch before). So he is showing some patience at the plate too.

BJ got cheated on some bad strike three calls again tonight. One of them was a really terrible call too. He's having a good series though and that's good to see.

That said, our third base coach made two bad calls but both worked out for us tonight. First he sends Heyward and Heyward should be out by a mile but somehow gets around the tag (great job by Heyward). Then he doesn't send a fast Pastornicky when he'd scored easy. But is bailed out when the Giants failed to turn the DP on Freeman. While both worked out in our favor that was still a poor job by our third base coach. You should know your base runners and he's been bad in that area. He sends slow runners like Freeman from first or CJ on close plays but stops Pastornicky? Maybe he was gun shy after the Heyward play but still not impressed by him so far.

[CyYoung31]

Good and winning seasons aren't always the same thing.

Meh. In both 2007 and 2009 we were right there at the end.

[zitothebrave]

I feel like when this board is in full swing, it's like a good episode of MST3K

I feel like there should be a video of myself, Julio, Dylan and Cy watching the game. Hopefully with premade meme cards.

[thethe]

Geez, if Gattis can start taking that outside fastball to right center consistently then he is going to be incredible. He smoked that ball.

[thethe]

The activity of the board is down because of the NBA/NHL playoffs and the teams general poor play. It will come back up soon enough.

[Julio3000]

Nice outing by Tommy Hanson.

[NinersSBChamps]

I wasn't serious when I said the new park would draw half what the Giants get. Just a joke at how poor the attendance has been for the Braves over the years. Relax everyone.

[stpeteirish]

Nice outing by Tommy Hanson.

where? when?

[stpeteirish]

Is it legal under the rules of baseball for a Braves second baseman to get a hit?

all three under .200 now. That's hard to do.

[cajunrevenge]

Good and winning seasons aren't always the same thing.

If you are over .500 chances are yoi are in the playoff race down to the last week or two. Especially now that there are 2 wildcard teams.

[thewupk]

If you are over .500 chances are yoi are in the playoff race down to the last week or two. Especially now that there are 2 wildcard teams.

While that may be true I don't consider a team good unless they win 90+ games.

[Julio3000]

where? when?

Sorry. Someone compared Minor to Tommy Hanson after the last outing.

[cajunrevenge]

While that may be true I don't consider a team good unless they win 90+ games.

But you were talking about attendance. If a team wins 85 games then the season is 90% over before you know they wont win 90.

[thewupk]

But you were talking about attendance. If a team wins 85 games then the season is 90% over before you know they wont win 90.

they could always be a medicore team with a strong finish. what i meant to say is if the team is in first or in strong contention for it all year. which i have no doubt will happen. the braves are very well ran and contend pretty much every year.