GDT #44: 5/20/14 Brewers (Gallardo 2-2) @ Braves (Teheran 2-3), 7:10

[rico43]

Two all-star caliber pitcher who have gotten no run support. Maybe all the Braves needed was some Chinese take-out courtesy of Mr. Wong. Fredi spoke of b.p. level pitching as being what his lineup needed. They got that.


Notable: Teheran 0-2, 2.98 in his career vs. Brewers. Gallardo 4-1, 1.91 vs. Braves in last 5 years.

Gattis (viral infection) late scratch:

BRAVES

1. Heyward RF
2. Pena 2B
3. Freeman 1B
4. Justin Up LF
5. Johnson 3B (thought he might get day off)
6. BJ Up CF
7. Simmons SS
8. Laird C
9. Teheran P

BREWERS

1. Gomez CF
2. Gennett 2B
3. Braun RF
4. Lucroy C
5. Overbay 1B
6. Segura SS
7. Davis LF
8. Bianchi 3B
9. Gallardo P

[nsacpi]

Expecting another multi hit game from Pena.

[The Chosen One]

Expecting CJ to hit into another if not two double plays.

[jpx7]

Expecting a huge game from the ten-hole.

[Enscheff]

Expecting CJ to make more outs than he has PAs.

[UNCBlue012]

Expecting another multi-hit game from Jason, Freddie, Pena and.... Cjoh!

[tomahawkchop10]

Expecting a pitchers duel.

[UNCBlue012]

Expecting a pitchers duel.
With all honesty, I am too. haha I think we'll see some good swings, but I see both guys doing work. I hope Julio is better than his last outing.

[Braves1976]

Expecting CJ to hit into another if not two double plays.

CJ has always been a DP machine in the past outside of last year.

[nsacpi]

CJ has always been a DP machine in the past outside of last year.

That's why Fredi is smart to put someone with a low OBP in front of him.

[Dalyn]

That's why Fredi is smart to put someone with a low OBP in front of him.

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[cajunrevenge]

I expect the start of a winnng streak in which the braves finally surpass the nats for first place.

[Braves1976]

This isn't good news: Braves have scratched Gattis from the line-up. I hope it's something minor and he's back tomorrow and available to pinch hit.

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin 2m
No word on why Evan Gattis was a late scratch. Stay tuned. #Braves

[Braves1976]

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves 23s
Catcher Evan Gattis was scratched from tonight's game with viral symptoms.

[tomahawkchop10]

Ugh Gattis better be ok. Good start for Teheran.

[tomahawkchop10]

Great inning for Julio, good to hear Gattis is just sick.

[UNCBlue012]

Gattis will be fine soon! Thank God. Good stuff Teheran!

[GovClintonTyree]

This one's in the bag, boys. Julio's got that look.

[GovClintonTyree]

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves 23s
Catcher Evan Gattis was scratched from tonight's game with viral symptoms.

Didn't that used to be code for "hangover?"

[tomahawkchop10]

This one's in the bag, boys. Julio's got that look.

Still pissed about his last start.

[Braves1976]

Man, two bullets right at them.

Are you kidding me? Make that three bullets and nothing.

[UNCBlue012]

3 hard hits. A little luck for brewers there

[tomahawkchop10]

Well that was annoying. 3 line drives, 3 outs. Keep up the good swings and they'll start falling though.

[GovClintonTyree]

Well that was annoying. 3 line drives, 3 outs. Keep up the good swings and they'll start falling though.

Couple bleeders and a passed ball?

[weso1]

Heyward must have stumbled onto the bat rack or something. 3 lineouts.

[tomahawkchop10]

Teheran's breaking ball not as sharp this inning.

[GovClintonTyree]

Teheran's breaking ball not as sharp this inning.

24 pitches through two, even with the walks. The Brewers will help him out.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Gattis was a late scratch due to viral symptoms. Apparently got sick to his stomach before game time.

[CrimsonCowboy]

BOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM

[Braves1976]

Simmons crushed that ball, good start. Finally a hard hit ball that goes for something.

[Julio3000]

I mean, granted, dude is probably going to lose 1-0 tonight, but JT—

OK, I was just typing that. Never mind. Anyway, JT is a baller. Go Tron. Go Braves.

[Braves1976]

We finally got a bunt down, that's good. It's about time too.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Teheran is just a good overall baseball player.

[USMA76]

Is that the first successful sacrifice bunt by a Braves pitcher this year? It's certainly the first I can remember.

[50PoundHead]

Doesn't take much of a bunt to get Greased Lairdtning down to second. Bad strategy by Fredi. He should have had Laird steal second and then bunted him over to 3rd.

[CrimsonCowboy]

LOL at that fan behind the plate on that wild pitch

[Julio3000]

Is that the first successful sacrifice bunt by a Braves pitcher this year? It's certainly the first I can remember.

JT has 3 (4, now). Wood has 2. Harangutang has 1. That's it.

[Julio3000]

Teheran is just a good overall baseball player.

Dude is a terrific athlete and has a great mentality for a SP. He's impressive.

[USMA76]

JT has 3 (4, now). Wood has 2. Harangutang has 1. That's it.

We've absolutely botched so many of those, it's hard to remember the ones that worked. 8^)

[Julio3000]

We've absolutely botched so many of those, it's hard to remember the ones that worked. 8^)

I know. JT is about the only guy I trust to get one down.

[Braves1976]

Great AB by Justin, let's keep it going boys!

[CrimsonCowboy]

Nice patience waiting on that pitch. Great piece of hitting

[yeezus]

Love JUp when he's on. Just a smart AB there.

[Julio3000]

Maypril.

[UNCBlue012]

So happy!

[Braves1976]

Man, we had a shot to put it away but CJ continues to struggle. Bad AB swinging at first pitch after he showed poor control that whole inning.

Good inning overall though. Hopefully that's enough and Teheran pitches a gem.

[GovClintonTyree]

I know. JT is about the only guy I trust to get one down.

I trust wood to lay one down.

[yeezus]

Is it 3-0 or 4-0? The Braves twitter said 4-0, and it says on ESPN 3 men scored on the single, but it's only showing 3-0.

[USMA76]

Leadoff double after the Braves hang a three spot. Need a shutdown inning here.

[GovClintonTyree]

Love JUp when he's on. Just a smart AB there.

I'm trying to think if I've ever seen the dude swing at the first pitch. Gallardo hung the first curve and I thought, no way Justin sees another.

Gallardo is off. Might as well take advantage.

[USMA76]

Is it 3-0 or 4-0? The Braves twitter said 4-0, and it says on ESPN 3 men scored on the single, but it's only showing 3-0.

It's 3-0 with one out top of the fourth and Segura coming to the plate.

[GovClintonTyree]

Is it 3-0 or 4-0? The Braves twitter said 4-0, and it says on ESPN 3 men scored on the single, but it's only showing 3-0.

I'm pretty sure Freddie was left at third, so 3-0.

[Julio3000]

I'm trying to think if I've ever seen the dude swing at the first pitch. Gallardo hung the first curve and I thought, no way Justin sees another.

Gallardo is off. Might as well take advantage.

Yeah, I hope the window lasts another inning.

[Julio3000]

Is it 3-0 or 4-0? The Braves twitter said 4-0, and it says on ESPN 3 men scored on the single, but it's only showing 3-0.

Some Bristol galley-slave is getting flogged right now.

[yeezus]

I'm pretty sure Freddie was left at third, so 3-0.

I'm watching and that's what I thought, but the Braves twitter said it was bases clearing and I was lost.

[yeezus]

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves 6m
.@JUP_8TL! Justin comes through with a 2-out, bases-clearing single to extend the #Braves' lead to 4-0!

[GovClintonTyree]

Some Bristol galley-slave is getting flogged right now.

MLB had the same problem.

[yeezus]

rightfully so for confusing me

[CyYoung31]

CJ is bad.

[Braves1976]

Great, CJ is not hitting and now makes a bad error.

[Julio3000]

Can FW get a do-over on the whole CJ/Francisco thing?

[USMA76]

Not nearly as bad as Blauser yet but when a ball is hit to Chris Johnson, I'd be lying if I said I didn't hold my breath a little bit.

[stpeteirish]

Can FW get a do-over on the whole CJ/Francisco thing?

if we're getting do overs I've got a couple that rate above that one.

[Braves1976]

Good job by Teheran to get out of it where it only effected his pitch count.

[Braves1976]

if we're getting do overs I've got a couple that rate above that one.

True, Uggla and BJ probably top the list.

[stpeteirish]

3 run lead early, feels huge, when was the last time we had this big a lead early? Cincy series?

[stpeteirish]

walking BJ, yeah I'll say Gallardo's off tonight.

[Julio3000]

Good start, Melvin.

[yeezus]

Just let BJ run whenever he gets on.

[Braves1976]

Simmons was safe. He got the hand in before the tag. Great slide by Simmons this call should be overturned.

[CrimsonCowboy]

He's safe!

[TURBO]

What a slide.

[Julio3000]

Oh, he's safe.

[UNCBlue012]

SIMBA WOO

[Braves1976]

Good job replay, Simmons was clearly safe thanks to his great slide.

[TDlxANDER]

I love you, black Andrelton

[CrimsonCowboy]

Six of seven in challenges. Not bad

[Julio3000]

Six of seven in challenges. Not bad

We'll have to revisit the Horrible Ratios nickname.

[USMA76]

As was said above, give Fredi (and his replay crew) credit on challenges as they're hitting about 85% correct on those.

[Julio3000]

Gameday Scout:

Yovani Gallardo is trying to tie up Gerald Laird with fastballs inside; Laird is hitting .200 on pitches in that location compared to .154 overall.

[Braves1976]

Dang it Laird, just sit there and take strike three. A little contact gets us a run. Now Teheran is up.

Well, way to go Teheran! That will work!

[UNCBlue012]

Good job Julio! Man, I like Gallardo. Hope he's okay.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Talk about a double-whammy for the Brewers

[Braves1976]

I hope he's okay as he's a very good pitcher and I like him. Smart to remove him rather than push it given the score here. I'd removed him to be safe either way though.

[Julio3000]

Good job Julio! Man, I like Gallardo. Hope he's okay.

Yeah. He's another guy who kills the Braves, but whom I like anyway.

[Julio3000]

We need to add on here.

[USMA76]

Other than Braun, I have no problem with the Brewers and hope Gallardo's ankle injury is nothing serious.

After beating up their bullpen last night, the last thing Milwaukee needed was for their starter to have a short outing tonight.

[Julio3000]

Wow. How do you not do business with Pena with Fred/JUp on deck?

[jsebe10]

Lol

[Julio3000]

Whoops.

[jsebe10]

Freddie hit him right in the dick

[stpeteirish]

Other than Braun, I have no problem with the Brewers and hope Gallardo's ankle injury is nothing serious.

After beating up their bullpen last night, the last thing Milwaukee needed was for their starter to have a short outing tonight.

Gomez?

[Braves1976]

Man, Freeman smoked that ball. We should've scored two more there but thanks to another bullet hitting someone we didn't. Hopefully we have enough though.

Nats up 3-1 facing Cueto thanks to the Reds making some bad errors that have led to all three runs. Well, make that 4-1 now and still batting. Given the Reds line-up without Votto they should win tonight.

[jsebe10]

Man, Freeman smoked that ball. We should've scored two more there but thanks to another bullet hitting someone we didn't. Hopefully we have enough though.

Nats up 3-1 facing Cueto thanks to the Reds making some bad errors that have led to all three runs. Well, make that 4-1 now and still batting. Given the Reds line-up without Votto they should win tonight.

Did they win last night?

[bravesnumberone]

Lol Gomez. Douche.

[Julio3000]

Gameday had that one solidly on the plate.

[Braves1976]

Did they win last night?

Yep, Reds won it 4-3 in 15 innings, it was 2-2 through 14 innings. Frazier did it all basically, including a two run homer in the 15th proving the difference. But I don't see them coming back tonight with their line-up. It's 6-1 Nats now btw.

They also were great defensively last night while tonight they're making errors that lead to multiple extra bases. For example, bunt and their third baseman throws it away leading to two runs.

[Julio3000]

LOL @Piss-test.

[rico43]

Did they win last night?

Reds won in 15 after making two two-out game-saving defensive plays. Frazier two-run dong in 15th.

[Julio3000]

Reds won in 15 after making two two-out game-saving defensive plays. Frazier two-run dong in 15th.

That's a pretty big dong.

[bravesnumberone]

April has made May flowers on us again!

[jsebe10]

Lol Gomez. Douche.

He's a whack job. I was almost certain he would have gotten himmed up with A-Roid, Jhonny "Needles" Perralta, Francisco "Syringe" Cervelli, or Nelson "Veiny Neck" Cruz...

[Julio3000]

WTF is up with all of these good ABs? My frame of reference is broken.

[Julio3000]

JUp is an oppo monster right now.

[parkvadawg]

J up again being a great player

[Braves1976]

Reds won in 15 after making two two-out game-saving defensive plays. Frazier two-run dong in 15th.

Yea, those were two great plays too. But tonight it's been the opposite with their ace on the mound. They don't support him much for whatever reason.

[Braves1976]

CJ shows signs of life and then reminds us how slow he is. Someone as slow as him shouldn't run on Gomez.

[Dalyn]

Justin sucks. :tchop:

[Julio3000]

April has made May flowers on us again!

That was ****ing solid. Like, I wish I'd thought of it.

[Julio3000]

So, trade JUp, right?

[UNCBlue012]

I love JUP so much.

[cajunrevenge]

Is there anyone who doubts Teheran is an ace anymore?

[Braves1976]

So, trade JUp, right?

I hope whoever suggested that was wasted? I am not saying I would never trade him, I guess I'd trade most anyone if someone overpays but I sure wouldn't look to deal him unless someone gives us a lot back (and will take BJ or Uggla in the deal with him).

[Mrs. Meta]

Is there anyone who doubts Teheran is an ace anymore?

Thethe.

[Julio3000]

Is there anyone who doubts Teheran is an ace anymore?

I hate to get all mystical and scout-y, but he has the intangibles. He's tough, he's smart, and he gets the other guys out.

[UNCBlue012]

Julio may go CG tonight

[Julio3000]

HIs velocity is down from earlier in the game, though. Who knows? Could be calculated.

[Braves1976]

Great job by Teheran again that inning. He might be able to go 7 or even 8 innings tonight.

[Julio3000]

I'll take 7 strong. No need to push things with a 5-run lead.

[Braves1976]

HIs velocity is down from earlier in the game, though. Who knows? Could be calculated.

I have noticed he's been adding and taking away velocity a lot this year. I think that is something him and Santana talked about as Santana does it too.

[Julio3000]

I have noticed he's been adding and taking away velocity a lot this year. I think that is something him and Santana talked about as Santana does it too.

He seems like he's pitching his game, all the time. Just the one hiccup in SF.

[Braves1976]

He seems like he's pitching his game, all the time. Just the one hiccup in SF.

Yea, he was bound to have his first bad game sometime (last week in SF) but he seems back to pitching like a young ace tonight.

[Julio3000]

Just a fun time to remind everyone that JT is 23.

[Mrs. Meta]

Just a fun time to remind everyone that JT is 23.

He was born before thethe.

[Braves1976]

Nice hustle by Heyward after the great play, he deserved that hit after his bullet was caught earlier.

[Braves1976]

BTW, I have liked the Pastornicky and Pena combo at second. Pastornicky played well during the road trip both on offense and defense before getting hurt. While Pena has play well the last few nights too. I like Pastornicky better but Pena is a good back-up player.

[Braves1976]

Teheran threw that last one at 93 mph to get the pop out. Which shows he has the gas when he needs it.

Ouch, that hit him in the neck or chin. He seems okay though.

[Mrs. Meta]

The ball would have disappeared into Laird's neck.

[USMA76]

Thankfully, Teheran doesn't have to pitch on the West Coast very often. It seems as though every time he does, he can't grip the baseball properly.

[USMA76]

Looks as though somebody may have been seriously injured on the foul line drive. Hope the fan is ok.

[Julio3000]

Goes 7 pretty much every time he touches the ball. 1.99 ERA.

Julio Teheran, y'all.

[bravesnumberone]

Apparently a child. It's not often you see everyone shaken up like that.

[Mrs. Meta]

Goes 7 pretty much every time he touches the ball. 1.99 ERA.

Julio Teheran, y'all.

Rapidly approaching Terrell Wade territory.

[Braves1976]

Looks as though somebody may have been seriously injured on the foul line drive. Hope the fan is ok.

Yep, apparently a young kid too. I knew right away by Teheran's reaction, he was upset right away and then Gomez and everyone else reacted upset too.

As you say, I hope the kid will be okay. Sad.

[Julio3000]

Rapidly approaching Terrell Wade territory.

The unforgettable Terrell Hiawatha Wade.

[rico43]

Looks as though somebody may have been seriously injured on the foul line drive. Hope the fan is ok.

TV broadcasters made it sound like it was a child. No gratuitous replay, though, thankfully. That's why Satan created Deadspin.

[Mrs. Meta]

The unforgettable Terrell Hiawatha Wade.

Only the best First/middle name ever.

[Julio3000]

Only the best First/middle name ever.

If that's my name, I'm all Hiawatha, all the time. I loved that guy.

[Mrs. Meta]

If that's my name, I'm all Hiawatha, all the time. I loved that guy.

You know, for some reason as a kid, I always associated Terrell Wade with Pedro Borbon (junior).

...and probably just cuz they were both black starting pitchers. :Sad:

[Braves1976]

Teheran back out there even though he is right around 100 pitches.

[The Chosen One]

Teheran back out there even though he is right around 100 pitches.


Seems Fredi lets Minor and Julio go out there slightly more than 100.

[Julio3000]

You know, for some reason as a kid, I always associated Terrell Wade with Pedro Borbon (junior).

...and probably just cuz they were both black starting pitchers. :Sad:

One was fat, from lower SC, and a SP. One was a second-gen mlb player of Dominican descent, and a RP. Otherwise they were exactly alike.

[Julio3000]

****, I guess I gave Julio his curtain call an inning early.

[jsebe10]

Fckn Lucroy. That dude can hit.

[Julio3000]

**** the dumb. JT is a boss.

[Braves1976]

Great job by Teheran again. Great game, I would let Varvaro start the 9th given the big lead (same as last night).

[Mrs. Meta]

One was fat, from lower SC, and a SP. One was a second-gen mlb player of Dominican descent, and a RP. Otherwise they were exactly alike.

Haha!

Good to know my memory as a 10-year old is so spot-on.

Gotta say though, since following in '96, Teheran might be the the best Young Gun I've seen come up with a nod to a young Kevin Millwood (as well as the Wood de Alex).

...undoubtedly Wainwright woulda been #1 in that regard, but...water under the bridge n all that.

[Runnin]

Great comeback outing for Teheran.

[Heyward]

Teheran back out there even though he is right around 100 pitches.

Not a huge deal, although i might of pulled him.

Only 109 pitches total, not bad.

[UNCBlue012]

Braves BP is quite, looks like Teheran will attempt to go all the way.

[drewdat]

Almost had a best case scenario out there in right center.

[Braves1976]

Braves BP is quite, looks like Teheran will attempt to go all the way.

That would be stupid, no reason to push him this early in the season. He is already at 109 pitches. I wasn't sure about pushing him last inning, but no way would I push him further.

[Mrs. Meta]

Laird just got himself a contract extension with tonight's performance.

[Julio3000]

Multi. Hit. Games.

[The Chosen One]

If it wasn't for the shutout I think Fredi pulls him... since it is for a shutout he goes back. If any trouble then he's pulled.

[UNCBlue012]

That would be stupid, no reason to push him this early in the season. He is already at 109 pitches. I wasn't sure about pushing him last inning, but no way would I push him further.

We are. lol

[Braves1976]

Teheran may get the complete game but I don't agree with pushing him further here. This is the type of move that could come back to bite us later on.

[Julio3000]

Can't say I like seeing him go out there again, but damn I hope he gets the CG shutout.

[Braves1976]

If it wasn't for the shutout I think Fredi pulls him... since it is for a shutout he goes back. If any trouble then he's pulled.

That is the wrong way to look at it, I want a less tired Teheran come playoff time and not what we had last year.

[UNCBlue012]

Segura lead off hit. Welp.

[UNCBlue012]

That'll be it for Julio probably.

[Mrs. Meta]

I spose if we're doing this 6-man rotation thing then I shan't be too chaffed in the burlap tonight about Teheran.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Go get him, Fredi

[Braves1976]

Stupid move is back firing as expected. Fredi had to have an excuse to get Kimbrel up apparently.

[Mrs. Meta]

Segura really seems sure of himself.

[jsebe10]

That is the wrong way to look at it, I want a less tired Teheran come playoff time and not what we had last year.

You are looking too far into it. We have a 6 man rotation currently, it's fine. There's plenty of time for JT to get his rest.

[drewdat]

Glavine's seen that one called.

[Mrs. Meta]

Glavine's seen that one called.

Glavine's a whitey, yo.

[Braves1976]

You are looking too far into it. We have a 6 man rotation currently, it's fine. There's plenty of time for JT to get his rest.

We have no plans of using all six and one is likely to go or be injured at some point. Teheran is going to throw around 130 pitches or more, that isn't worth it.

[Mrs. Meta]

We have no plans of using all six and one is likely to go or be injured at some point. Teheran is going to throw around 130 pitches or more, that isn't worth it.

It is if you treasure this memory deep within the recesses of your Brave heart.

[UNCBlue012]

CG shutout for Julio! Man, what a win! It's good to see the team get some runs and Julio get on track. A few too many pitches for Julio, but I think he'll be jus fine. haha

[Julio3000]

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff511/poinsett/84235576-69a8-489e-8ff4-315329bf1804_zps7d5d95d7.jpg

[TURBO]

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[jsebe10]

We have no plans of using all six and one is likely to go or be injured at some point. Teheran is going to throw around 130 pitches or more, that isn't worth it.

I love it...I'd let him throw 160 if he wanted to. Sick of this titty feeding pitchers.

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

[Braves1976]

Great job by Teheran but I don't agree with that move at all. Glad he got the shutout though as he deserved it.

[Julio3000]

Not an ace.

[zitothebrave]

I really wish we had traded Justin, how have we won?

[jsebe10]

Not an ace.

Duh... Bout time you came around

[nsacpi]

Great job by Laird! Huge!

[Mrs. Meta]

Great job by Laird! Huge!

We're not talking about his BMs again, are we? :Gasp:

[Braves1976]

I love it...I'd let him throw 160 if he wanted to. Sick of this titty feeding pitchers.

Yea, until he ends up having Tommy John then everyone looks back and questions. I've seen that movie before.

[Krovahn]

Hell of a game from Julio. Bravo.

[parkvadawg]

I really wish we had traded Justin, how have we won?

It's hard to imagine

[Heyward]

Yea, until he ends up having Tommy John then everyone looks back and questions. I've seen that movie before.

Everyone is having TJ these days.

Not defending the move, it's dumb but using that isnt very good given tons of pitchers have had TJ this year.

:Sad:

[jpx7]

Sick of this titty feeding pitchers.

Yep: need to save more titties for batters.

I'd wager that's at least half the reason Chipper retired.

[The Chosen One]

That is the wrong way to look at it, I want a less tired Teheran come playoff time and not what we had last year.

Teheran has already been more consistent and efficient than last year.

I think fredi is going for early clinch asap then resting pitchers.

[jsebe10]

Yea, until he ends up having Tommy John then everyone looks back and questions. I've seen that movie before.

They get Tommy Johns bc they titty feed pitchers. Can't utilize your staff being scared that they will get Tommy John...was it a lot of pitches? Yes, of course it was...but how often does JT throw 130? It's just one game.

[The Chosen One]

Need to trade Justin while his value is still high.

[Heyward]

That is the wrong way to look at it, I want a less tired Teheran come playoff time and not what we had last year.

We may not even make the playoffs, so it is what it is.

[Dalyn]

Yep: need to save more titties for batters.

I'd wager that's at least half the reason Chipper retired.

And why he always wanted to pitch.

[jsebe10]

Need to trade Justin while his value is still high.

Impossible. We'd never get anything good in return for him. He sucks.

[UNCBlue012]

I really wish we had traded Justin, how have we won?

Remember how we got him for almost nothing? :)

[thewupk]

Yea, until he ends up having Tommy John then everyone looks back and questions. I've seen that movie before.

Mechanics more then over usage is the reason for Tommy John. Look all the recent Tommy John guys and you will see really ****ty mechanics

[Braves1976]

They get Tommy Johns bc they titty feed pitchers. Can't utilize your staff being scared that they will get Tommy John...was it a lot of pitches? Yes, of course it was...but how often does JT throw 130? It's just one game.

It isn't just one game, Teheran threw a lot of pitches to get a complete game in Philly. He's been pitching deep a lot so far this year too. I don't agree with your first point either, I agree with Smoltz on why it is happening so much.

[Julio3000]

Yep: need to save more titties for batters.

I'd wager that's at least half the reason Chipper retired.

Titties and beer. Who wouldn't?

[Heyward]

the following have had TJ in the past year or so.

Jose Fernandez, Medlen, Beachy, Patrick Corbin, Matt Moore, Matt Harvey, Nova, Jarrod Parker, Josh Johnson, etc.

List goes on.

[Dalyn]

It isn't just one game, Teheran threw a lot of pitches to get a complete game in Philly. He's been pitching deep a lot so far this year too. I don't agree with your first point either, I agree with Smoltz on why it is happening so much.

Did he blame it on the gays?

[Braves1976]

Mechanics more then over usage is the reason for Tommy John. Look all the recent Tommy John guys and you will see really ****ty mechanics

It can always be argued as a combination, no disagreement there. But I agree with Smoltz on the main reasons (including how they push them as kids these days).

[jsebe10]

It isn't just one game, Teheran threw a lot of pitches to get a complete game in Philly. He's been pitching deep a lot so far this year too. I don't agree with your first point either, I agree with Smoltz on why it is happening so much.

JT got his ass lit up in San Fran....you have any idea what a game like this does for his confidence? Again, a lot of pitches yes, but he doesn't throw 130 every outting. I've literally seen you gripe about Fredi taking him out around 90-95 pitches before. Let the kid pitch.

[Braves1976]

Did he blame it on the gays?

Nah, he left your boyfriend out of it. :)

[drewdat]

I don't think 100 is really the magic number any more; it's just a round number. 127 is high, though. Hopefully they'll either get him an extra day and/or keep him in double digits next outing.

[Braves1976]

I've literally seen you gripe about Fredi taking him out around 90-95 pitches before. Let the kid pitch.

Huh? I don't know what you're talking about.

[Heyward]

JT got his ass lit up in San Fran....you have any idea what a game like this does for his confidence? Again, a lot of pitches yes, but he doesn't throw 130 every outting. I've literally seen you gripe about Fredi taking him out around 90-95 pitches before. Let the kid pitch.

Dont worry about it, he's always complaining about something.

Can always just move Wood up to Sunday, and have Julio pitch on Monday.

[Dalyn]

Nah, he left your boyfriend out of it. :)

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[Braves1976]

Dont worry about it, he's always complaining about something.

So says you with your sad track record of accusing most everyone of such at one time or another.

[The Chosen One]

We're 25-19. Never thought with the doom and gloom 2 weeks now we'd make it out of last place.

[Braves1976]

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Hehe, cute comeback. :)

[Dalyn]

Hehe, cute comeback. :)

You won't think it's so cute when you need Tommy John surgery.

[Julio3000]

Elimination avoided.

[thewupk]

It can always be argued as a combination, no disagreement there. But I agree with Smoltz on the main reasons (including how they push them as kids these days).

The latter may be apart of it. But pitchers in the past went 9 all the time and pitched 250 innings all the time. Teams have been extra careful the last few years of over working guys early and slowly increasing their work load each year. It hasn't mattered. They are still getting hurt. I think mechanics are the main culprit 9 times out of 10. And it's pretty easy to see too. Someone in the spring predicted Fernandez going down because he changed his mechanics this spring. Same with Harvey too when he was in the minors.

[Heyward]

Cliff Lee has flawless mechanics and he has to get an MRI on his elbow.

If he gets TJ, you can throw anything you say about it out the window.

[GovClintonTyree]

Thankfully, Teheran doesn't have to pitch on the West Coast very often. It seems as though every time he does, he can't grip the baseball properly.

Perhaps he should borrow Pineda's pine tar for his WC starts.

[Mrs. Meta]

You won't think it's so cute when you need Tommy John surgery.

Is that what the queers are calling it these days?!

Lol, just recently got back from Idaho providing emotional support to my 80-year old grandfather whose spouse just passed recently.

Among the things I learned from him...

1. There ain't nothing funny about queers

2. Not all ******s are black!

...I never felt so liberal in my life as I did in those...teachable moments.

[GovClintonTyree]

Yea, until he ends up having Tommy John then everyone looks back and questions. I've seen that movie before.

Like limiting pitch count ****ing matters.

[Mrs. Meta]

Elimination avoided.

Said Laird, on the toilet.

[GovClintonTyree]

Cliff Lee has flawless mechanics and he has to get an MRI on his elbow.

If he gets TJ, you can throw anything you say about it out the window.

The beat goes on. I'm sure he'll visit Dr. Andrews for a lollipop.

I've been rolling around the idea of max effort, year 'round teenage pitching as a major contributor. I'm just not sure if TJ can be avoided with flawless mechanics.

[Dalyn]

Said Laird, on the toilet.

"Mrfulslup lis ssle," said Fredi.

[thewupk]

The beat goes on. I'm sure he'll visit Dr. Andrews for a lollipop.

I've been rolling around the idea of max effort, year 'round teenage pitching as a major contributor. I'm just not sure if TJ can be avoided with flawless mechanics.

It certainly helps. Lee is also 35 and has pitched a long time. There is a bit of a difference in that and having your elbow go out in your mid 30s and getting it done when before age 25. Some people may be destined for TJ regardless. But bad mechanics is a death sentence.

[Braves1976]

I've been rolling around the idea of max effort, year 'round teenage pitching as a major contributor.

That's part of what Smoltz was talking about as being a major contributor and I agree.

[Braves1976]

It certainly helps. Lee is also 35 and has pitched a long time. There is a bit of a difference in that and having your elbow go out in your mid 30s and getting it done when before age 25.

I agree that we shouldn't be comparing an older pitcher having an issue with all these young guns going down.

[Hulavol]

I love it...I'd let him throw 160 if he wanted to. Sick of this titty feeding pitchers.

This.

[Heyward]

It certainly helps. Lee is also 35 and has pitched a long time. There is a bit of a difference in that and having your elbow go out in your mid 30s and getting it done when before age 25. Some people may be destined for TJ regardless. But bad mechanics is a death sentence.

Lee was also a late-bloomer, didnt start pitching really until he was 27-28?

Still, TJ is what it is, some pitchers with horrible mechanics never get it and some with solid/standard get it.

[Dalyn]

Lee was also a late-bloomer, didnt start pitching really until he was 27-28?

Still, TJ is what it is, some pitchers with horrible mechanics never get it and some with solid/standard get it.

Lee is 35.

He debuted in 2002.

[zitothebrave]

Lee was also a late-bloomer, didnt start pitching really until he was 27-28?

Still, TJ is what it is, some pitchers with horrible mechanics never get it and some with solid/standard get it.

Cliff Lee has thrown 2143.1 inning in the majors and 434 innings in the minors. For comparison TimHudson has only thrown like 500 more innings in his 3 more years of age.

[Braves1976]

Lee is 35.

He debuted in 2002.

Right, plus he was a starter in the minors going back to age 21 (2000).

[GovClintonTyree]

Right, plus he was a starter in the minors going back to age 21 (2000).

Most of that time with ****ty mechanics. That's why he got demoted.

You think he was always Cliff Lee?

[50PoundHead]

We're not talking about his BMs again, are we? :Gasp:

We're talking about Gerald Load.

[Dalyn]

We're talking about Gerald Load.

With a name like Laird, who needs to make up sh*t?

[Braves1976]

Here's an update on that young kid hit by the foul ball:

A team official released a statement, saying, “The young fan was hit in the head by a ball but conscious and talkative while he was being treated on site before being transferred to the hospital. The team and all of Braves Country have him in our thoughts and prayers.”

[Braves1976]

Most of that time with ****ty mechanics. That's why he got demoted.

You think he was always Cliff Lee?

I never said anything about his mechanics but yea I do think he was always Cliff Lee. :)

[Braves1976]

Brad Clontz of the '95 WS Champion Braves added me on twitter today. I didn't even know he was on twitter. Not as cool as Santana adding me without request but still pretty cool.

[NinersSBChamps]

Brad Clontz of the '95 WS Champion Braves added me on twitter today. I didn't even know he was on twitter. Not as cool as Santana adding me without request but still pretty cool.

Lol he added me yesterday.

[Braves1976]

Lol he added me yesterday.

I didn't know you were on twitter either. :)

My dream is for Fredi/Laird to join twitter and add me, lol.

[Runnin]

So is the panic officially over yet?

[rico43]

So is the panic officially over yet?

For some, it will never go away. Panic is the only emotion that they feel.

[thethe]

I think a lot of the surgery epidemic has to do with pitchers going Max effort all game. Julio doesn't throw as hard as he can all game because he works that 2 weaker. I hope it bodes well for him moving forward.

[yeezus]

Pitch count limits haven't worked anyway.

[stpeteirish]

If Lee needs surg Philly is really fooked, he's about all they've got left that isn't has been or never was. Maybe they'd actually become sellers for once.

Think Jimmy Rollins could play 2b for a year or two? How's his contract compare to Uggla's?

[zitothebrave]

I think a lot of the surgery epidemic has to do with pitchers going Max effort all game. Julio doesn't throw as hard as he can all game because he works that 2 weaker. I hope it bodes well for him moving forward.

I would disagree but point out that in general it seems cause of the 100 limit guys throw harder rather than being ready for 140+

Still think the majority of injuries have to do with timing issues. When you have a timing issue you tend to have to over compensate with your arm which creates extra strain on your arm ligaments which concentrate on your elbow or not out of the question shoulder. I think the "rise" in prevalence has to do with the way baseball is scouted now a days. 50 years ago people didn't play as much baseball as today and I think it reflects on the youth. There wasn't year round baseball, so on so forth. The factory that's producing young stars that has been happening in baseball is also likely the biggest cause of it's problem. Of course there's also the expansion argument. And then the knowledge argument. It used to be you shut guys down and prayed. And if they didn't heal they quietly went away. As Tommy John became more successful, it became as easy to prep for as pulling a rotten tooth.

[zitothebrave]

If Lee needs surg Philly is really fooked, he's about all they've got left that isn't has been or never was. Maybe they'd actually become sellers for once.

Think Jimmy Rollins could play 2b for a year or two? How's his contract compare to Uggla's?

I don't know if Rollins can play 2B. For someone who's been a SS for ages facing the other way can be alarming. Rolling has a contract for 11M this year and an 11M vesting option next year that is set to vest in 270 PA. I don't know how I would feel about trading for him. He's solid with the bat, but not spectacular, most of his value as a player is his defense at SS, don't know if that translates to 2B. And I wouldn't be willing ot part with Wood, Sims, Peraza, etc. I'd send them guys who can help but aren't key for us like Terds, Martin, Thomas, etc.

[Tapate50]

Boy, one of those Cuban kids stashed in AAA that we had a chance to sign over the winter would have been nice right about now.

[Tapate50]

If Lee needs surg Philly is really fooked, he's about all they've got left that isn't has been or never was. Maybe they'd actually become sellers for once.

Think Jimmy Rollins could play 2b for a year or two? How's his contract compare to Uggla's?

BBTN was emphasizing the heavy use kids are getting from playing ball almost year round these days. By the time a kid hits 20, he has been playing baseball year round for almost 3-4 years. That is a lot of mileage.

[50PoundHead]

BBTN was emphasizing the heavy use kids are getting from playing ball almost year round these days. By the time a kid hits 20, he has been playing baseball year round for almost 3-4 years. That is a lot of mileage.

It's pretty much that way for most of the top-tier kids whatever their sport. The day of the three-sport all-around star has pretty much evaporated.

[The Chosen One]

It's pretty much that way for most of the top-tier kids whatever their sport. The day of the three-sport all-around star has pretty much evaporated.

I know. Maddux was on baseball, chess, and debate team.

Not much flexibility these days for other athletes.

[50PoundHead]

I know. Maddux was on baseball, chess, and debate team.

Not much flexibility these days for other athletes.

I grew up in a rural area and the conference was composed of all small towns and it seems every town had a great three-sport athlete (usually football/basketball/and either baseball or track). It's rare now with all the off-season activities for football and year-round leagues for hockey and basketball and travelling teams for baseball. My distant cousin (who seems to have about all the athletic ability of the previous four generations of the family concentrated in his one body) is a dual sport kid (football and basketball), but he'd probably be the best sprinter on the track team as well, but the three-sport allure is gone.

[yeezus]

I don't know if Rollins can play 2B. For someone who's been a SS for ages facing the other way can be alarming. Rolling has a contract for 11M this year and an 11M vesting option next year that is set to vest in 270 PA. I don't know how I would feel about trading for him. He's solid with the bat, but not spectacular, most of his value as a player is his defense at SS, don't know if that translates to 2B. And I wouldn't be willing ot part with Wood, Sims, Peraza, etc. I'd send them guys who can help but aren't key for us like Terds, Martin, Thomas, etc.

Rollins:
1) Would not approve a trade anywhere
2) Would not agree to moving to 2B

[NinersSBChamps]

I didn't know you were on twitter either. :)

My dream is for Fredi/Laird to join twitter and add me, lol.
I think I have made like 5 tweets in my lifetime. Not even sure how to use it.

[NinersSBChamps]

I know. Maddux was on baseball, chess, and debate team.

Not much flexibility these days for other athletes.

That's the type of humor I expect from my internet boss. Hope you can SAVe some of that for my wedding.

[jsebe10]

If Lee needs surg Philly is really fooked, he's about all they've got left that isn't has been or never was. Maybe they'd actually become sellers for once.

Think Jimmy Rollins could play 2b for a year or two? How's his contract compare to Uggla's?

Jimbo has a full no trade clause. He's clearly stated before that he will retire a Philly.