GDT: 07/20/2013: Braves at White Sox

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Braves lineup:

CF Jose Constanza
3B Chris Johnson
RF Justin Upton
1B Freddie Freeman
DH Brian McCann
C Evan Gattis
2B Dan Uggla
SS Andrelton Simmons
LF Joey Terdoslavich
P Paul Maholm

Ok, one more try for my first GDT victory!



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White Sox lineup:

CF Alejandro de Aza
SS Alexei Ramirez
RF Alex Rios
LF Dayan Viciedo
SS Jeff Keppinger
DH Casper Wells
2B Gordon Beckham
C Josh Phegley
3B Brent Morel
P Jake Peavy

[NYCBrave]

White Sox:

1. Alejandro De Aza (L) CF
2. Alexei Ramirez (R) SS
3. Alex Rios (R) RF
4. Dayan Viciedo (R) LF
5. Jeff Keppinger (R) 1B
6. Casper Wells (R) DH
7. Gordon Beckham (R) 2B
8. Josh Phegley (R) C
9. Brent Morel (R) 3B

[sentenza]

Jason will be back tomorrow! Said he's able to PH today!
Mets - Phillies 3-1 after 1st! (Lead-off homerun by Rollins)

[Bye Week]

Is this game not on TV? Big Fox says Ptt at Cinn here in Nashville.

Are u freaking serious?

[CyYoung31]

Is this game not on TV? Big Fox says Ptt at Cinn here in Nashville.

Are u freaking serious?

Hmm. I'm from Nashville and that never happens. We always get the Braves game.

They really need to outlaw this FOX blackout stuff.

[Braves1976]

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin 5m

Freeman (on his thumb): "I'm not even going to think about it. I feel great. It's not 100% but its good enough to play through it" #Braves

[weso1]

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin 5m

Freeman (on his thumb): "I'm not even going to think about it. I feel great. It's not 100% but its good enough to play through it" #Braves

That doesn't sound good.

[Braves1976]

That doesn't sound good.

Agreed, esp. since he's our clean-up hitter. If Freeman isn't effective today I'd at least drop him in the order. Mac can bat clean-up till Freeman is feeling better.

[stpeteirish]

White Sox:

1. Alejandro De Aza (L) CF
2. Alexei Ramirez (R) SS
3. Alex Rios (R) RF
4. Dayan Viciedo (R) LF
5. Jeff Keppinger (R) 1B
6. Casper Wells (R) DH
7. Gordon Beckham (R) 2B
8. Josh Phegley (R) C
9. Brent Morel (R) 3B

If Maholm cannot handle this lineup he needs to leave the rotation; he won't go up against a weaker lineup.

[Bdawg2309]

stuck with the usual sox-yanks matchup. as if they don't already get enough national tv games

[Heyward]

Surprisingly i get the game.

Figured id get Yanks BoSox.

[jgriff3029]

Oh yeah, we get to watch the Red Sox and Yankees out here on the west coast too. This blackout stuff is stupid for MLB. Instead of actually watching a game, I'm heading out because I have no interest in watching the overrated Yankees and the over-hyped Red Sox.

[Braves1976]

Constanza looked safe to me.

[weso1]

On the replay it looked like a good call.

[weso1]

That wasn't very BABIP

[sentenza]

In europe it's on ESPN America!
Sad to say that this will be the last Braves game on this station before they shut down at the end of the month.
They showed a lot of games, after they stop the broadcasting we are not able to see games anymore! So i have to buy MLB TV, but because the most games are at night here, I think it's to expensive only to see condensed games. The free highlights must be enough!

They also showed 3 NFL games every weekend! This is all gone!
Very sad for American sportfans in europe!

[Braves1976]

On the replay it looked like a good call.

It was close, but on the live shot he looked safe as he was coming up as he was tagged. Maybe he started coming up before reaching the bag.

[AUTiger7222]

Hmm. I'm from Nashville and that never happens. We always get the Braves game.

They really need to outlaw this FOX blackout stuff.

Next year FOX's blackout rule goes out the window and any game not shown on your local FOX station will be available on MLB.tv.

[sentenza]

Can this Tampa-Toronto game end quickly please?
The will switch to the Braves after this!

[weso1]

Chicago's lineup is just horrific.

[stpeteirish]

Chicago's lineup is just horrific.

fair matchup for Maholm, unfortunately.

[AUTiger7222]

Chicago's lineup is just horrific.

It's why they're in the bottom 5 in the majors in runs scored this season and it's even worse without Paul Konerko.

[Dalyn]

It is amazing how much **** some of you give Maholm. He has one bad start per month. At least one very good start per month. And a few average starts. Nothing wrong with that.

[sentenza]

Thank you Toronto for not going into extra innings! Now they can switch to the braves!

[AUTiger7222]

Paul Maholm. Good grief. It takes him 25 pitches to get through the 1st inning.

[yeezus]

It is amazing how much **** some of you give Maholm. He has one bad start per month. At least one very good start per month. And a few average starts. Nothing wrong with that.


Agreed. You'd think he's a 5 ERA pitcher.

[Braves1976]

Good start on the boot by Chicago. Come on Mac!

[sentenza]

I take this!
After switching to the game, error!
1 one, no out!

[Heyward]

It is amazing how much **** some of you give Maholm. He has one bad start per month. At least one very good start per month. And a few average starts. Nothing wrong with that.

Pretty much.

#4 type starter supposed to toss a shutout every game i guess.

[AUTiger7222]

It is amazing how much **** some of you give Maholm. He has one bad start per month. At least one very good start per month. And a few average starts. Nothing wrong with that.

He started off the season on fire and pitching over his head in his first 4 starts.

.165/.255/.231 (.486) - 26 1/3 IP, 15 H, 3 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 3 R, 3 ER, 8 BB, 25 SO, 1.03 ERA

Since then he has made 15 starts and gotten rocked.

.297/.353/.458 (.811) - 89 IP, 107 H, 21 2B, 2 3B, 11 HR, 54 R, 48 ER, 26 BB, 57 SO, 4.85 ERA

[stpeteirish]

Agreed. You'd think he's a 5 ERA pitcher.

he is on the road. 5.37 in 12 starts.

[yeezus]

he is on the road. 5.37 in 12 starts.

Well good thing we aren't the first team ever to play 162 road game.

[Dalyn]

:banana:

[Bj1133]

Love those new contacts!!

[AUTiger7222]

UGGLA SMASH!

[Heyward]

Uggla!

[Braves1976]

Nice one Uggla, Braves cash in on the error. Freeman breaking up DP at second helped too. 2-0 Braves good start.

[sentenza]

Whhaaaaaaaaaaaaat's his name!!!!!


Dan HOMERUN POWER Uggla!!!!!

[weso1]

There we go. That might be enough today.

[chopdrew]

It does look like he can see a TON better.

[Dalyn]

It does look like he can see a TON better.

I see what you did there.

[Heyward]

Damn Simba hit that well.

Dont give it back, Paul..

[drewdat]

Also Maholm seems to pitch against the Marlins, Brewers, etc.--teams that have no business scoring 4 or 5 runs--and proceeds to either allow 4 or 5 runs or escape miraculously, inspiring zero confidence.

[Heyward]

There we go. That might be enough today.

Doubt we shut em out.

[Braves1976]

Tough break by Simmons, he crushed that ball but right at him. He seems to have more of those than most others. I expect that to change as his career goes on (more line drives falling in, etc).

[yeezus]

No praise for Paul's 8 pitch inning?

[Braves1976]

Good shutdown inning by Maholm after the lead. Now let's get some more runs boys!

[Heyward]

Good job Terd

[Braves1976]

No praise for Paul's 8 pitch inning?

I was slower to post because I am watching the Mets play Philly too. It's 5-4 Mets two outs for Philly in 9th. But if not for a two out error it would be over. Now tying run to the plate (Brown).

Uh oh, Brown doubles. Tying run at second now. Whew, Mets hold on barely to win 5-4.

[stpeteirish]

Terdo making a bid to stick around. I thought he looked pretty good at 1b last night., but we won't use him there much.

[Frek21]

Doubt we shut em out.

Then it's a good thing we already have 2. :eusa_dance:

[sentenza]

Utley with a 2-run shot in the top of the 9th!
Hope the Mets still win it!

5-4 Mets, 2 outs in the 9th!

[Bj1133]

Thought Terdo was out there

[Braves1976]

Good start by Joey T and Constanza, let's get some more runs here!

[Bdawg2309]

mets almost blew it...that was close.

[thewupk]

Love those new contacts!!

he's been mashing since then. hopefully that's really what was wrong.

[Bj1133]

Mets hold on to win

[sentenza]

Chris will be out, because it's no AB with 2-outs!

[Braves1976]

Good base running by Joey T to take third. Come on Justin!

[Braves1976]

mets almost blew it...that was close.

Yep, that two out error open the door and Parnell almost fell apart again after it.

[Dalyn]

:banana:

[Heyward]

JUp smoked that.

Good AB.

Add on FF..

Sac fly works.

[sentenza]

Nice hit by Justin and great hustle by George!

So Freddie can make it 4-0!

[Braves1976]

Good job Justin, though the third baseman didn't play it well. Come on Freeman!

BTW, I love Constanza's speed taking third there. Now he scores on a Freeman sac-fly. 4-0 Braves.

[Frek21]

Thought Freddie got that one.

[Bj1133]

Thought Freeman got more of that one than he did

[AUTiger7222]

Nice job by Joey T and Constanza setting the table and Justin and Freeman taking advantage to make it 4-0.

[Heyward]

Thought Mac got all of that.

Just missed it.

[Braves1976]

Constanza was hitting around .300 vs righties in AAA while struggling vs lefties. So I like starting him in center while BJ is out and Heyward recovering. Though once Heyward gets back 100% I'd play him in center.

Man, Mac just missed there!

[Braves1976]

Come on Maholm, need another shutdown inning.

[sentenza]

I hate lead-off doubles!

[Braves1976]

Maholm just walked a .211 hitter and has been in a lot of three ball counts. That's bad and could cost us later.

[Heyward]

Great...

Maholm getting smoked.

Lead was nice while it was there.

[Braves1976]

Pathetic, watch him give it all back.

[sentenza]

Come on, Paul!
You got a 4-0 lead!

[AUTiger7222]

C'mon Paul. Limit the damage here.

[weso1]

Come on Paul. A fly out, K or double play.

[Dalyn]

Paul has this.

[AUTiger7222]

Paul is really starting to piss me off.

[datdude12]

Nice maholm

[sentenza]

Wow! Just wow!
After this it will be a tie or we will trail!
Horrible to watch him pitch the last weeks!

[Heyward]

Middle of their lineup bases loaded no outs.

This should be fun..

Nice knowing ya lead.

[skidlee]

Why anyone thinks this teams need a 3B over a TOR starter is beyond me.

[sentenza]

Unbeleivable!

Take him out and dfa him!

[Heyward]

Unbelievable

[Bj1133]

Unfreakingbelievable

[weso1]

Welp...

[drewdat]

(Spartans cheer team rhythm)

My name's Maholm
I suck at pitching
I load the bases
So start your *****ing

[chopdrew]

Wow. Thanks, "soft serve."

[AUTiger7222]

It is amazing how much **** some of you give Maholm. He has one bad start per month. At least one very good start per month. And a few average starts. Nothing wrong with that.

You were saying?

[yeezus]

WOW.
Ok, Maholm has got to go.

[Heyward]

Why anyone thinks this teams need a 3B over a TOR starter is beyond me.

Replace Wood/Beachy with Maholm.

Yes pitching is clearly the biggest need.

[datdude12]

He's a soft tossing lefty with average command....this is not surprising..hope he's gone soon

[tvsportscaster]

Who didn't see that coming, man Maholm needs to go and go now.

[Heyward]

There we go. That might be enough today.

Nope....

[yeezus]

Why anyone thinks this teams need a 3B over a TOR starter is beyond me.

what the hell does maholm have to do with a TOR starter? Minor and Teheran are fine.

[Bdawg2309]

Good riddance Paul. Wood/beachy, come on up

[sentenza]

1. homer for Rios in 7 weeks and 120 ABs!
Of course against our pitching!

[skidlee]

Replace Wood/Beachy with Maholm.

Yes pitching is clearly the biggest need.

wood/beachy is not enough

[Dunit24]

our guys don't know how to pitch with the lead that's all

[yeezus]

Replace Wood/Beachy with Maholm.

Yes pitching is clearly the biggest need.

We have the 2nd best ERA in the league entering today.
Maholm just needs to get out of the rotation. Beachy and/or Wood moved in. But Paul has to go.

[Heyward]

wood/beachy is not enough

Never said it was.

Cant be worse than Maholm.

[skidlee]

what the hell does maholm have to do with a TOR starter? Minor and Teheran are fine.

no their not

[BravesBlock]

wood/beachy is not enough
QFT

[weso1]

Really sux blowing a 4 run lead against the worst lineup in baseball history. But still plenty of time to come back.

[bravesnumberone]

Good grief, Maholm.

[yeezus]

no their not

they're**.
what starter do you want and who do you want to deal for him? 2nd best ERA in the league.

[tvsportscaster]

If Paul Maholm can't navigate his way through this putrid lineup then his behind needs to get out of the rotation. Right now, he's practically an automatic loss. Terrible. Let Wood or Beachy takes his spot and trade Maholm for a bag of balls at this point.

[yeezus]

Really sux blowing a 4 run lead against the worst lineup in baseball history. But still plenty of time to come back.

The Marlins were starting Greg Dobbs for months and were hitting Polanco 3rd.
White Sox lineup sucks but at least De Aza/Alexei/Rios are capable.

[skidlee]

they're**.
what starter do you want and who do you want to deal for him? 2nd best ERA in the league.


When it comes to the playoffs I don't see any of out starters being able to actually shut down a good hitting team like the Cards.

I don't care what the ERA is on july 20th. Come august is doesn't count. We must improve this rotation to win a WS.

[Dalyn]

Obviously, that sucked, but it didn't help that he had Morel struck out twice without the call and Simmons just missed snagging one for a double-play.

[Braves1976]

Good start, that should be a lead-off double. Let's get it back boys!

[Bj1133]

Leadoff doubles are nice. Peavy not getting any help from his D

[yeezus]

When it comes to the playoffs I don't see any of out starters being able to actually shut down a good hitting team like the Cards.

I don't care what the ERA is on july 20th. Come august is doesn't count. We must improve this rotation to win a WS.

You and I have no idea if Minor can pitch well in the postseason, but he's been damn good over the last year and I don't know why it's SO obvious to you that he can't.
Again, who do you want, and what do you want to trade?

[tvsportscaster]

Obviously, that sucked, but it didn't help that he had Morel struck out twice without the call and Simmons just missed snagging one for a double-play.

If you Aunt Millie had a mustache, she'd be your Uncle Billy.

[Braves1976]

Uggla is a strikeout waiting to happen in that situation. He took that right down the middle too.

[Dalyn]

If Paul Maholm can't navigate his way through this putrid lineup then his behind needs to get out of the rotation. Right now, he's practically an automatic loss. Terrible. Let Wood or Beachy takes his spot and trade Maholm for a bag of balls at this point.

It is 50/50. Hardly an automatic loss.

He had a good April. A decent May. A good June. And a ****ty July so far. More wins than losses in every month save for this one (so far).

[BlackwaterPark]

I remmeber when people on here wanted to give him a big extension after his hot start

[Heyward]

Leadoff double, won't score him.

Of course.

[Braves1976]

So much for the lead-off double, Uggla ruins so many innings this way despite his homers. If a runner is in scoring position he isn't who you want batting.

[Heyward]

Really sux blowing a 4 run lead against the worst lineup in baseball history. But still plenty of time to come back.

Its not that bad.

I figured he'd give up some but 5?

Smh.

[skidlee]

I am not a GM and I have no clue what other teams want.

[Heyward]

So much for the lead-off double, Uggla ruins so many innings this way despite his homers. If a runner is in scoring position he isn't who you want batting.

Uggla is responsible for 2 of the runs.

[Heyward]

We have the 2nd best ERA in the league entering today.
Maholm just needs to get out of the rotation. Beachy and/or Wood moved in. But Paul has to go.

Pretty much agree.

Not sure why he's pitching vs Chw when he's had decent success against the Mets.

[AUTiger7222]

It is 50/50. Hardly an automatic loss.

He had a good April. A decent May. A good June. And a ****ty July so far. More wins than losses in every month save for this one (so far).

You're judging a pitcher by his wins/losses record? Ugh!

[yeezus]

I am not a GM and I have no clue what other teams want.

That's fine, what do YOU want? Who's out there that's clearly better than Minor? And why are you SO sure that he can't pitch well in the postseason despite him being great since the 2nd half of last year?

[Braves1976]

Uggla is responsible for 2 of the runs.

No kidding? I didn't know that...

[BlackwaterPark]

Can I watch this online somehow? Its not on Extra Innings for m

[yeezus]

You're judging a pitcher by his wins/losses record? Ugh!

I don't think so. Someone said it's an "automatic loss" when Maholm pitches. He was showing that's totally inaccurate considering Maholm has more wins than losses in every month.

[AUTiger7222]

Posted again since it got ignored the first time.


He started off the season on fire and pitching over his head in his first 4 starts.

.165/.255/.231 (.486) - 26 1/3 IP, 15 H, 3 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 3 R, 3 ER, 8 BB, 25 SO, 1.03 ERA

Since then he has made 15 starts and gotten rocked.

.297/.353/.458 (.811) - 89 IP, 107 H, 21 2B, 2 3B, 11 HR, 54 R, 48 ER, 26 BB, 57 SO, 4.85 ERA

[Heyward]

No kidding? I didn't know that...

And to be fair, that was a good pitch by Peavy so even if he moved him over no lock Gattis scores.

[Dalyn]

Maholm averages over six innings per start. If Wood replaces him, imagine the extra work for the bullpen. You guys are crazy.

[sentenza]

Another lead-off double!
I bet they will score him!

[anthmilliu]

Hey try vipbox.tv. I watch every braves game on there. There are usually 3 different links for any sporting event in the world so your computer should be able to run at least one of them

[AUTiger7222]

Maholm averages over six innings per start. If Wood replaces him, imagine the extra work for the bullpen. You guys are crazy.

So Wood can't average 6 innings per start?

[Dalyn]

You're judging a pitcher by his wins/losses record? Ugh!

Hardly. This was a comment directed toward someone saying he was an automatic loss. In that case, wins/losses IS THE POINT.

[Braves1976]

If we want to have a shot today, Maholm has to be taken out. That's another poor 0-2 pitch for a double against a bad hitter.

[Heyward]

Leadoff double, now need at least 7 runs to win.

[anthmilliu]

if that doesn't work try vipboxonline.eu

[AUTiger7222]

I don't think so. Someone said it's an "automatic loss" when Maholm pitches. He was showing that's totally inaccurate considering Maholm has more wins than losses in every month.

Because of the run support he gets. If Tim Hudson got Paul Maholm's run support Huddy would have 11 or 12 wins this season.

And now it's 6-4 White Sox. Thanks Paul.

[yeezus]

So Wood can't average 6 innings per start?

I would say that's far from a guarantee with a young rookie pitcher.

[Dalyn]

So Wood can't average 6 innings per start?



Doubt it--especially right now. Do you have any idea how hard that is to do?

[sentenza]

Take im out!
He isn't able to record an out anymore!

[datdude12]

Get him out now

[Heyward]

Maholm averages over six innings per start. If Wood replaces him, imagine the extra work for the bullpen. You guys are crazy.

Wood or Beachy can't average 6 IP a start?

Mahlom has been awful lately, putting too much pressure on the offense,

[TURBO]

why is he still pitching

[Braves1976]

And to be fair, that was a good pitch by Peavy so even if he moved him over no lock Gattis scores.

If you want to be fair, try considering the point. Which was that Uggla is bad with RISP, that was the point. I even noted that he contributes with homeruns.

[AUTiger7222]

Doubt it--especially right now. Do you have any idea how hard that is to do?

There are a ton of pitchers that average 6 innings per start so it can't be that hard.

[Heyward]

why is he still pitching

Probably just to eat innings.

[datdude12]

6 runs to this lineup is almost grounds for a DFA by itself...embarrassing

[skidlee]

That's fine, what do YOU want? Who's out there that's clearly better than Minor? And why are you SO sure that he can't pitch well in the postseason despite him being great since the 2nd half of last year?

Why do they have to be better then Minor? I want anyone better then Hudson and Paul. They are our weakest link in the rotation. I know Hudson is going no where so you obviously have to improve on Maholm. Does Beachy or Wood pitch better then Paul? I would say yes.

So who is your to 3/4 rotation for the playoffs?

Minor
Teheran

After that is a big ? mark IMO. Which Hudson, Medlen, or Beachy/Wood shows up?

You get someone to put with of Minor/Teheran and we have a very good rotation IMO.

I would take Peavy, Garza, Evin Santana,

[Heyward]

If you want to be fair, try considering the point. Which was that Uggla is bad with RISP. That was the point afterall. I even noted that he contributes with homeruns.

The whole team sans FF isn't very good with RISP.

[tvsportscaster]

The what to do with Maholm question may have just been answered, looks like he might be hurt. He was holding his wrist area.

[AUTiger7222]

For all the talk of Maholm averaging 6 innings per start, today is the 8th start out of 20 that he's gone less than that. It's the 4th start he's gone less than 5 including the last 2.

[Heyward]

Why do they have to be better then Minor? I want anyone better then Hudson and Paul. They are our weakest link in the rotation. I know Hudson is going no where so you obviously have to improve on Maholm. Does Beachy or Wood pitch better then Paul? I would say yes.

So who is your to 3/4 rotation for the playoffs?

Minor
Teheran

After that is a big ? mark IMO. Which Hudson, Medlen, or Beachy/Wood shows up?

You get someone to put with of Minor/Teheran and we have a very good rotation IMO.

I would take Peavy, Garza, Evin Santana,

Julio may get shutdown because of innings.

And Huddy has been pretty good as of late.

And we don't have the prospects fr any of them.

[Braves1976]

Maholm needs to go to the bullpen unless traded. I like him but he's not getting it done and we have better options (Beachy or Wood).

[jpx7]

Maholm was cabbage this afternoon.

[Heyward]

6 runs to this lineup is almost grounds for a DFA by itself...embarrassing

Indeed.

Figured 2-3 but 6 through only 3 IP is sad.

[Dalyn]

For all the talk of Maholm averaging 6 innings per start today is the 8th start out of 20 that he's gone less than that. It's the 4th start he's gone less than 5 including the last 2.

You know what average means, right? Before today, he was averaging over 6. This injury might bring him a bit below that mark.

[Heyward]

Maholm needs to go to the bullpen unless traded. I like him but he's not getting it done and we have better options (Beachy or Wood).

DL him, put Beachy or Wood in.

[NinersSBChamps]

Great to see Maholm blew a 4-0 lead and is now trailing 6-4. This has to be the last straw for him. Wood or Beachy take his place.

[Heyward]

Limit to 0-1 or this ones over.

[sentenza]

Can any of our pitchers please get an out?
What's the problem?
I can't see it anymore!

[AUTiger7222]

WOW! What a job by Simba to get that out.

[tvsportscaster]

Now all of a sudden the White Sox offense is a freakin juggernaut.

[Dalyn]

It will be until late August/ early September before Beachy is ready to go 6+ every 5th day (if we are lucky). And Wood isn't quite ready. Of course, none of that matters if Paul is hurt.

[skidlee]

Julio may get shutdown because of innings.

And Huddy has been pretty good as of late.

And we don't have the prospects fr any of them.


yes we do

[Braves1976]

WOW! What a job by Simba to get that out.

True, but Carpenter should've went to third.

[AUTiger7222]

You know what average means, right? Before today, he was averaging over 6. This injury might bring him a bit below that mark.

Yes I know what average means. But if you're going to brag on a guy averaging that many innings pitched a game he shouldn't have so many starts with less than that mark.

[Braves1976]

Wow, another 0-2 pitch for a run scoring hit. Carpenter is starting to show his old self today.

[Heyward]

yes we do

No, we don't.

And Peavy is owed a ton of money and has injury problems.

We don't have the prospects for either, name them.

[datdude12]

Seems that the white sox are the 27 Yankees today..typical

[Heyward]

Wow, another 0-2 pitch for a run scoring hit. Carpenter is starting to show his old self today.

Its on Maholm for getting rocked, again.

[Dalyn]

Yes I know what average means. But if you're going to brag on a guy averaging that many innings pitched a game he shouldn't have so many starts with less than that mark.

:happy0157: You say you know what it means, yet your comment toward me doesn't support that.

[Heyward]

Welp, that's probably game, thanks Maholm.

[NinersSBChamps]

Getting spanked by one of the worst offensive teams in baseball.

[Braves1976]

Way to make sure we lose Carpenter, terrible pitching by Maholm and Carpenter today. When we trade for a lefty Carpenter needs to go too.

[AUTiger7222]

Braves with a 4-0 early lead. No problem the White Sox just score 9 runs and now the Braves face a major up hill battle.

[Tapate50]

Just tuning in, but I think we know who Wood might be replacing

[sentenza]

But Carpenter looks horrible too!
3 hits and two runs on him!

[tvsportscaster]

Boy, the Braves pitching has been stellar today hasn't it. The bad thing with no other games on tv I don't even have the option of watching another game. I'm stuck with this garbage.

[sentenza]

Braves with a 4-0 early lead. No problem the White Sox just score 9 runs and now the Braves face a major up hill battle.

Score 9 runs in two innings!

[Bdawg2309]

What a **** game

[chopdrew]

Well, Im gonna go cut the grass and play with the dog. At least philly lost...

[skidlee]

No, we don't.

And Peavy is owed a ton of money and has injury problems.

We don't have the prospects for either, name them.

Garza is going to be trade for Mike Ott and Neal Ramierz. Ott is the better prospect but Ramierz is not top flight SP prospect.

Peavy is owed a good bit of money but the braves have over 20 mill coming off the books. His money for 1 more year will not be a big issue.

Santana is a free agent to be. He won't cost top prospects.

Lipka
Martin
Northcraft
Hale
Moore
Terdo

Anyone of those have enough Value to get one of the 3 SP on the list.

[Dalyn]

Well, Im gonna go cut the grass and play with the dog. At least philly lost...

What breed?

[AUTiger7222]

:happy0157: You say you know what it means, yet your comment toward me doesn't support that.

Ok. Whatever. I'm going to go around bragging about Paul Maholm pitching 6 innings a start (regardless of how many ****ing runs he gives up) and yet in almost half his starts he's gone less than that mark I'm bragging about. Yeah that's really impressive and in a quarter of his starts he's gone less than 5 innings. And you continue to ignore my post that Maholm since his red hot start has posted an ERA of 4.85 and opponents OPS of .811 by saying he has more wins than losses. Whatever dude. You wanna think Paul Maholm is fine then that's your right. The rest of us will live in the real world and realize that Paul is anything but fine and needs to be replaced ASAP.

[Jay212033]

Were we really leading this 4-0 WOW! 9 runs against this line up minus Dunn smh!

[skidlee]

Paul is a decent pitcher and if Hudson and Medlen were pitching better then we might could live with his struggles. They are not so we have to move on.

[Heyward]

Garza is going to be trade for Mike Ott and Neal Ramierz. Ott is the better prospect but Ramierz is not top flight SP prospect.

Peavy is owed a good bit of money but the braves have over 20 mill coming off the books. His money for 1 more year will not be a big issue.

Santana is a free agent to be. He won't cost top prospects.

Lipka
Martin
Northcraft
Hale
Moore
Terdo

Anyone of those have enough Value to get one of the 3 SP on the list.

Prefer to not trade for a rental whose a FA to be.

And none of those get Garza/Santana.

Beachy/Wood can more than hold it down.

Another BP arm is a bigger concern than the rotation.

[Braves1976]

Maholm might've been pitching with a wrist issue, but if so he should've been out earlier.

[stpeteirish]

I hope Maholm doesn't get enough starts to make it to the 5 ERA point that he shouldn't be talked about like he has.

But he had a shutdown inning!

[AUTiger7222]

Paul is a decent pitcher and if Hudson and Medlen were pitching better then we might could live with his struggles. They are not so we have to move on.

Tim Hudson has a 2.77 ERA in his last 9 starts and has pitched at least 7 innings in 7 of those starts. How much better do you want him to be?

[Dalyn]

Ok. Whatever. I'm going to go around bragging about Paul Maholm pitching 6 innings a start (regardless of how many ****ing runs he gives up) and yet in almost half his starts he's gone less than that mark I'm bragging about. Yeah that's really impressive and in a quarter of his starts he's gone less than 5 innings. And you continue to ignore my post that Maholm since his red hot start has posted an ERA of 4.85 and opponents OPS of .811 by saying he has more wins than strikeouts. Whatever dude. You wanna think Paul Maholm is fine then that's your right. The rest of us will live in the real world and realize that Paul is anything but fine and needs to be replaced ASAP.

Take a deep breath. I didn't BRAG about it. I pointed out that it is a relief for the bullpen (you need to read things in context more often, in my opinion). That is a fact. And even with the terrible start today, his numbers are perfectly average for a #4.

[stpeteirish]

Maholm might've been pitching with a wrist issue, but if so he should've been out earlier.

and He got the second start after the all star break for some unknown reason.

[skidlee]

Prefer to not trade for a rental whose a FA to be.

And none of those get Garza/Santana.

Beachy/Wood can more than hold it down.


I will agree Gaza is a long shot but your acting like Santana is a cy young winner

[Frek21]

I am not a GM and I have no clue what other teams want.


Julio may get shutdown because of innings.

And Huddy has been pretty good as of late.

And we don't have the prospects fr any of them.


yes we do
:confused::winking0016:

[AUTiger7222]

I hope Maholm doesn't get enough starts to make it to the 5 ERA point that he shouldn't be talked about like he has.

But he had a shutdown inning!

Paul's season ERA is now 4.41. Yeah. That's really good.

[Dalyn]

Maholm might've been pitching with a wrist issue, but if so he should've been out earlier.



Yeah. I can't stand when a guy hides an injury (if that is what happened). Pretty obvious that he wasn't himself today, despite what people around here are saying.

[Dalyn]

Paul's season ERA is now 4.41. Yeah. That's really good.



Do you know what the average ERA is for a #4?

[Heyward]

I will agree Gaza is a long shot but your acting like Santana is a cy young winner

Never said that but he's been one of the top SP's in the AL.

Would cost quite a bit.

Beachy can fill in whose arguably a TOR when he's pitching.

[The Chosen One]

Is anyone else getting a really bad feed on the big FOX?

[NinersSBChamps]

Do you know what the average ERA is?

3.60 or there abouts?

[Braves1976]

Tim Hudson has a 2.77 ERA in his last 9 starts and has pitched at least 7 innings in 7 of those starts. How much better do you want him to be?

Exactly, the Huddy bashing gets old. He's been a rock despite a small blip and poor run support for a bunch of games in a row. His ERA in that time is even more impressive considering the errors behind him not ruled such (making those runs earned).

[NinersSBChamps]

Is anyone else getting a really bad feed on the big FOX?

Yeah. Stuck with the ****ing Yankees-Red Sox!

[tvsportscaster]

Is anyone else getting a really bad feed on the big FOX?

Unfortunately I believe it's the local station BravesFan

[Heyward]

Yeah. Stuck with the ****ing Yankees-Red Sox!

At least you get a good game to watch.

[skidlee]

:confused::winking0016:

Where did I make an offer? I just listed prospects that have value.

[AUTiger7222]

Take a deep breath. I didn't BRAG about it. I pointed out that it is a relief for the bullpen (you need to read things in context more often, in my opinion). That is a fact. And even with the terrible start today, his numbers are perfectly average for a #4.

Paul Maholm's last 16 starts counting today, 92 IP, 114 H, 61 R, 55 ER, 28 BB, 57 SO, 12 HR, 5.38 ERA. Oh and that's 5 2/3 IP a start.

You seriously think that's fine?

[Dalyn]

3.60 or there abouts?

Closer to 4., but I meant for a #4.

[yeezus]

Where did I make an offer? I just listed prospects that have value.

none of them have that much. at all.

[Heyward]

Where did I make an offer? I just listed prospects that have value.

Value, yes, not enough for Santana/Garza.

[The Chosen One]

Unfortunately I believe it's the local station BravesFan

WTGS/WJCL has always been terrible.

[Heyward]

Take a deep breath. I didn't BRAG about it. I pointed out that it is a relief for the bullpen (you need to read things in context more often, in my opinion). That is a fact. And even with the terrible start today, his numbers are perfectly average for a #4.

Maholm has been crap since his hot start.

He needs to be replaced, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

[skidlee]

none of them have that much. at all.

I guess you guys are the ones who keep saying the braves farm sucks

This isn't the trade deadline 2 years ago. These teams can't get a pick from the these guys. The price of trades is not has high has it once was.

[AUTiger7222]

And one more thing if the Braves lose today they will be 7-9 in Maholm's last 16 starts despite Maholm's W/L record.

[Dalyn]

Paul Maholm's last 16 starts counting today, 92 IP, 114 H, 61 R, 55 ER, 28 BB, 57 SO, 12 HR, 5.38 ERA.


As I said before, you need to look at some things in context more often. His whole season counts. Today. April. May. And on and on. You are acting like I am saying he is an Ace. I am not. I am saying he is a better option (when healthy) at #4 than Wood, at least this year. And he is easier on the bullpen than Beachy will be for a month or three (if we are lucky).

[Braves1976]

I don't see Maholm having much trade value now. He might be headed to DL too. If so my guess is he ends up in our bullpen assuming he's only out a short time (15 day DL).

[JusticeForAll23]

Well, that's depressing. I was out running some errands, check my phone for an update and see we're up 2-0. Check it a little while later when I'm on my way home and see we're up 4-0. Get home, in a good mood thinking we're going to come out of the All-Star break and put together a little winning streak (instead of this win one, lose one, win one, lose one nonsense that it feels like we've been doing for a month now), turn the game on and see we're down 9-4.

Talk about a way to turn a great Saturday into a really bad one in a hurry. I've reached my limit with Maholm, and it's only made worse because of Medlen and Huddy's inconsistencies and struggles. If Maholm was the only one, wouldn't hate him so much right now.

[AUTiger7222]

As I said before, you need to look at some things in context more often. His whole season counts. Today. April. May. And on and on. You are acting like I am saying his is an Ace. I am not. I am saying he is a better option (when healthy) at #4 than Wood, at least this year. And he is easier on the bullpen than Beachy will be for a month or three (if we are lucky).

I need to look at things in more context? He got off to a terrific start in his first 4 starts. The numbers I posted are what he has done since then. What more context do you need? Sorry that you think Maholm's fine when he clearly isn't. And why do you think Alex Wood is incapable of averaging 5 2/3 IP a start while giving up less runs? Why. What did Wood do in his bullpen work and that makes you so certain it's impossible?

[Heyward]

I guess you guys are the ones who keep saying the braves farm sucks

This isn't the trade deadline 2 years ago. These teams can't get a pick from the these guys. The price of trades is not has high has it once was.

It doesn't suck but the cost for frontline pitching is reallllllllly expensive.

I mean ****, it cost the O's Strop and Arrieta for Feldman.

But I'm sure we can get Santana whose been great this year and Garza who has pitched well without parting with some top notch prospects.

[stpeteirish]

Paul Maholm's last 16 starts counting today, 92 IP, 114 H, 61 R, 55 ER, 28 BB, 57 SO, 12 HR, 5.38 ERA. Oh and that's 5 2/3 IP a start.

You seriously think that's fine?

So much for the he only had one bad month nonsense. Or the "you don't play 162 games on the road" nonsense. Maholm's been trending down for a while, we need to cut our losses and find another starter. Wood, then Beachy in a couple weeks.

[yeezus]

I guess you guys are the ones who keep saying the braves farm sucks

This isn't the trade deadline 2 years ago. These teams can't get a pick from the these guys. The price of trades is not has high has it once was.

Lipka, Northcraft, Terdo have a good amount of value? I'm sorry, but I really don't agree. They are about average prospects at the moment.

[skidlee]

All I will say is I don't see us winning a WS with this rotation.


And yes I know the playoffs are a crap shoot

[AUTiger7222]

Well, that's depressing. I was out running some errands, check my phone for an update and see we're up 2-0. Check it a little while later when I'm on my way home and see we're up 4-0. Get home, in a good mood thinking we're going to come out of the All-Star break and put together a little winning streak (instead of this win one, lose one, win one, lose one nonsense that it feels like we've been doing for a month now), turn the game on and see we're down 9-4.

Talk about a way to turn a great Saturday into a really bad one in a hurry. I've reached my limit with Maholm, and it's only made worse because of Medlen and Huddy's inconsistencies and struggles. If Maholm was the only one, wouldn't hate him so much right now.

Tim Hudson is fine. He's got a 2.77 ERA in his last 9 starts and has gone 7 innings in 7 of those starts. People need to GTFO with the Tim Hudson crap!

[yeezus]

It doesn't suck but the cost for frontline pitching is reallllllllly expensive.

I mean ****, it cost the O's Strop and Arrieta for Feldman.

But I'm sure we can get Santana whose been great this year and Garza who has pitched well without parting with some top notch prospects.

Exactly, all three of them will cost more in terms of value/talent than Feldman, and look what he cost.

[Dalyn]

I need to look at things in more context? He got off to a terrific start in his first 4 starts. The numbers I posted are what he has done since then. What more context do you need? Sorry that you think Maholm's fine when he clearly isn't. And why do you think Alex Wood is incapable of averaging 5 2/3 IP a start while giving up less runs? Why. What did Wood do in his bullpen work and that makes you so certain it's impossible?

Impossible? No one said that. But I am aware of how seldom young pitchers come up and pitch deep immediately. Look at Beachy. Minor. Teheran. It takes time, even for good pitchers.

[Frek21]

Where did I make an offer? I just listed prospects that have value.

If you have no clue what other gms want then how do you know we have the prospects that any of those gms would want for those SP?

[yeezus]

All I will say is I don't see us winning a WS with this rotation.


And yes I know the playoffs are a crap shoot

The Phils won with Cole Hamels and.................

[AUTiger7222]

It doesn't suck but the cost for frontline pitching is reallllllllly expensive.

I mean ****, it cost the O's Strop and Arrieta for Feldman.

But I'm sure we can get Santana whose been great this year and Garza who has pitched well without parting with some top notch prospects.

Strop, a decent reliever and Arrieta, a terrible starter.

[AUTiger7222]

Impossible? No one said that. But I am aware of how seldom young pitchers come up and pitch deep immediately. Look at Beachy. Minor. Teheran. It takes time, even for good pitchers.

Pitching 5 2/3 IP isn't deep dude. Pitching consistently into the 7th is pitching deep.

[yeezus]

If you have no clue what other gms want then how do you know we have the prospects that any of those gms would want for those SP?

It's common sense. EVERYONE wants Lipka, Northcraft, and Terdo.

[Heyward]

So skid, you think Terdo, Northcraft, Lipka is getting Santana/Garza.

I want some of what you're smoking cuz that ain't happening.

[NinersSBChamps]

Well, that's depressing. I was out running some errands, check my phone for an update and see we're up 2-0. Check it a little while later when I'm on my way home and see we're up 4-0. Get home, in a good mood thinking we're going to come out of the All-Star break and put together a little winning streak (instead of this win one, lose one, win one, lose one nonsense that it feels like we've been doing for a month now), turn the game on and see we're down 9-4.

Talk about a way to turn a great Saturday into a really bad one in a hurry. I've reached my limit with Maholm, and it's only made worse because of Medlen and Huddy's inconsistencies and struggles. If Maholm was the only one, wouldn't hate him so much right now.

We've been hovering around .500 all season save for two weeks.

[nsacpi]

I wonder if Hale will be held out of his start in Gwinnett tonight. The pen is being worked hard tonight. If Maholm has to go to the DL, it would make sense to bring Hale up.

[Heyward]

Tim Hudson is fine. He's got a 2.77 ERA in his last 9 starts and has gone 7 innings in 7 of those starts. People need to GTFO with the Tim Hudson crap!

This, he's been our 2nd-3rd best starter all year.

[Braves1976]

Tim Hudson is fine. He's got a 2.77 ERA in his last 9 starts and has gone 7 innings in 7 of those starts. People need to GTFO with the Tim Hudson crap!

They just keep making assertions as if the facts don't matter.

[yeezus]

Strop, a decent reliever and Arrieta, a terrible starter.

Arrieta still has a lot of potential in the eyes of many. And he's more valuable than Northcraft, Hale, Terdo..anyone skid named.

[Heyward]

Strop, a decent reliever and Arrieta, a terrible starter.

Yes, and Santana has pitched like a 1-2 and Garza is a 2 when right.

We aren't getting either.

[Braves1976]

I wonder if Hale will be held out of his start in Gwinnett tonight. The pen is being worked hard tonight. If Maholm has to go to the DL, it would make sense to bring Hale up.

Good question, esp. since Hale is on the 40-man roster already.

[Dalyn]

Pitching 5 2/3 IP isn't deep dude. Pitching consistently into the 7th is pitching deep.

He left with an injury today (and most likely injured himself early in the game, which sucks that he tried to push through it), but it is what it is. Even counting the injury-shortened start, many teams would love to have a #4 who averages pitching into the six inning. As for Wood, there is a reason competing teams rarely throw a rookie into the rotation.

[drewdat]

NL league average is 3.77 ERA.

There's no way Maholm should make the postseason roster. Trade him? Sure. Let him "eat" innings (to the extent his bad performance allows)? Why not, I doubt it kills us with our division standings. Use other guys and demote him to mopup duty? Works. DL him until September with soreness? That works too.

Any moves we make should be with an eye on the postseason roster. I do think the rotation and bullpen leave a bit to be desired in that context, and the offense is pretty much fixed in place. Is there enough flexibility and/or potential payoff to make a big splash for an ace? I kind of doubt it. Add a reliever or two, do anything with Maholm except continue to pretend he is an asset to the team, and call it a day, IMO.

[Jay212033]

As I said before, you need to look at some things in context more often. His whole season counts. Today. April. May. And on and on. You are acting like I am saying he is an Ace. I am not. I am saying he is a better option (when healthy) at #4 than Wood, at least this year. And he is easier on the bullpen than Beachy will be for a month or three (if we are lucky).

You cannot say this for fact! It's downright foolish to actually cause you DO NOT know!

[AUTiger7222]

Arrieta still has a lot of potential in the eyes of many. And he's more valuable than Northcraft, Hale, Terdo..anyone skid named.

Arrieta still has a lot of potential but right now he looks like he'll never live up to that potential. The Orioles gave him every chance to win a starting rotation spot and every year he pissed the bed. I mean we aren't talking 25-20 games. We're talking about 69 games, 63 starts worth of data.

69 G, 63 GS, 358 IP, 368 H, 228 R, 217 ER, 48 HR, 159 BB, 277 SO, 5.46 ERA

You don't think someone like Aaron Northcraft has as much value as Arrieta?

[Dalyn]

You cannot say this for fact! It's downright foolish to actually cause you DO NOT know!

I have repeatedly said 'most likely' and 'doubt it' and other such qualifiers.



What a great play by Uggla! :tchop:

[AUTiger7222]

He left with an injury today (and most likely injured himself early in the game, which sucks that he tried to push through it), but it is what it is. Even counting the injury-shortened start, many teams would love to have a #4 who averages pitching into the six inning. As for Wood, there is a reason competing teams rarely throw a rookie into the rotation.

Yeah because contending teams usually have stacked rotations with no place for a rookie to start. The Braves rotation is anything but stacked at the moment.

[yeezus]

Arrieta still has a lot of potential but right now he looks like he'll never live up to that potential. The Orioles gave him every chance to win a starting rotation spot and every year he pissed the bed. I mean we aren't talking 25-20 games. We're talking about 69 games, 63 starts worth of data.

69 G, 63 GS, 358 IP, 368 H, 228 R, 217 ER, 48 HR, 159 BB, 277 SO, 5.46 ERA

You don't think someone like Aaron Northcraft has as much value as Arrieta?

The guy with a 76/35 k/bb in 90 innings at AA? No, I don't. Arrieta still has the stuff teams will bet on.
Oh and an ERA over 4.

[Dalyn]

Yeah because contending teams usually have stacked rotations with no place for a rookie to start. The Braves rotation is anything but stacked at the moment.

And having a questionable rotation makes it a better decision to throw a rookie in there? People were calling for Hudson and Maholm to be replaced by Beachy and Wood. That is insane. Talk about a questionable rotation. Beachy for Maholm (if he goes on the DL or is traded), is fine with me. Wood for Maholm is most likely not a net gain for the year, and that is a bad thing for a competitive team with a 'questionable rotation'.

[Heyward]

Arrieta still has a lot of potential but right now he looks like he'll never live up to that potential. The Orioles gave him every chance to win a starting rotation spot and every year he pissed the bed. I mean we aren't talking 25-20 games. We're talking about 69 games, 63 starts worth of data.

69 G, 63 GS, 358 IP, 368 H, 228 R, 217 ER, 48 HR, 159 BB, 277 SO, 5.46 ERA

You don't think someone like Aaron Northcraft has as much value as Arrieta?

Sure but Northcraft isn't fetching Santana or Garza.

That's the point, skid named some prospects that could fetch either. It will cost a lot to get one of them.

Hell, Beachy is a 2-3 when healthy, roll with him.

[tvsportscaster]

Good question, esp. since Hale is on the 40-man roster already.

40-man roster is not an issue, there are three guys, O'Flaherty, Venters and Pena who can all be transferred to the 60-day. It wouldn't surprise to see Joe Beimel added so they could have another lefty. Beimel has been pitching well in Gwinnett.