Golf Thread [2017: The Open at Royal Birkdale]

[Heyward]

Phil just shot one of the best rounds in Major History to steal the British Open.

Good for him.

[NinersSBChamps]

My boy Adam Scott had a total meltdown while Phil went nuts the last three holes. Phil is likable enough, but I really hope Westwood can force a playoff.

[Heyward]

I was pulling for Westwood but he stumbled too much.

What a round from Phil, dropping daggers.

[thethe]

I didnt get to watch today....early tee time.

I was hoping tiger would pull it iff but when he didnt take the lead on the back nine in the third round you knew he was in trouble. Cant wait to watch the replay of phils round

[Runnin]

Tiger dropped a very loud GD bomb with the mic on. Not good.

[TURBO]

Tiger dropped a very loud GD bomb with the mic on. Not good.

So do most golfers with mis hits. Tiger is just covered so much by the media he cant get away with it.

[thethe]

I just spent a hour outside in the heat washing my clubs with warm water + soap and a toothbrush.

I think I have a problem.

[NinersSBChamps]

I just spent a hour outside in the heat washing my clubs with warm water + soap and a toothbrush.

I think I have a problem.

Yeah you do. You should have someone do this for you.

[Heyward]

I just spent a hour outside in the heat washing my clubs with warm water + soap and a toothbrush.

I think I have a problem.

Nah, what kind of clubs you got ?

[thethe]

Nah, what kind of clubs you got ?

Calloway razor x set. Love them.

I thoroughly enjoyed cleaning them.

[NinersSBChamps]

Nah, what kind of clubs you got ?

You golf, Casey?

[Tapate50]

Shot 91 and won 38 bucks in a wolf.

[thethe]

Shot 91 and won 38 bucks in a wolf.

Second season for me and I have only been in the 90s once. Its getting better but I have some bad holes. Finished today with a birdie on a par 5 so I'm pumped.

[Heyward]

You golf, Casey?

Sure do, you?

[NinersSBChamps]

Since I've started working two jobs and full time classes in the summer I've only gone a handful of times. Thus I've been in triple digits all season long. That Nike Golf app is pretty sweet though. It takes a little bit to download the courses for your area initially, but it's neat anyway. Pretty damn accurate too.

[TURBO]

As I said in the GDT I shot an 88 today. Was happy about being under 90. I feel like if I could ever get my iron game going I would be decent. I crush it off the tee, and putt a little. But everything in between is ugly

[thethe]

As I said in the GDT I shot an 88 today. Was happy about being under 90. I feel like if I could ever get my iron game going I would be decent. I crush it off the tee, and putt a little. But everything in between is ugly

So frustrating because I know I have it in me. I can hit the ball far on occasion and my iron play is alright but its just so inconsistent. I have so many blow up holes that destroy my scores.

[acesfull86]

Any weekend where Phil wins and Tiger loses is fine by me. Especially in a major.

[Heyward]

Any weekend where Phil wins and Tiger loses is fine by me. Especially in a major.

This guy....

[Tapate50]

Tiger isn't Tiger anymore. Still good for golf, but either the injury has sapped him or the competition has caught up

[gilesfan]

I don't root for Tiger or Phil. Don't like either. But, Phil just put in an amazing round. Wow.

I played Friday in a best ball tourney. Won the tourney with a 55.

[Runnin]

I just spent a hour outside in the heat washing my clubs with warm water + soap and a toothbrush.

I think I have a problem.

Anything that gets you away from thinking about the Braves is probably a good thing.

[gilesfan]

Why would you spend so much time cleaning clubs? Just dip it in the cleaner on the course and use a brush. Wa la.

Plus, you are nowhere near good enough that a dirty club vs. a clean one would make a difference.

[Runnin]

So do most golfers with mis hits. Tiger is just covered so much by the media he cant get away with it.
No they don't, and besides it doesn't matter what the average duffer says. Tiger is #1 in the world.

Name me one other pro golfer you've ever heard say that on live TV. Tiger gets away with too much poor behavior because he's more popular than Mickey Mouse.

[sturg33]

Golf has come in handy for business clients... It's a great way to "take a day off" and get some major work accomplished.

In two year, I've gon from averaging high 90's to low 80's. Scored a 78 a month ago.

[thethe]

Why would you spend so much time cleaning clubs? Just dip it in the cleaner on the course and use a brush. Wa la.

Plus, you are nowhere near good enough that a dirty club vs. a clean one would make a difference.

Its just something I took enjoyment out of. I know it won't make a difference but its nice to have shiny new clubs again!

[thethe]

Golf has come in handy for business clients... It's a great way to "take a day off" and get some major work accomplished.

In two year, I've gon from averaging high 90's to low 80's. Scored a 78 a month ago.

Yeah, I did it initially for business purposes when I took up golf late last summer. I'm already going to be golfing with a client in a few weeks. Anyone in business should learn to golf.

[Runnin]

Its just something I took enjoyment out of. I know it won't make a difference but its nice to have shiny new clubs again!
I disagree will GF on this. A dirty club probably won't make much difference on one shot, but the little things will make a difference in golf. Golf is all about the pre-shot process - getting yardage, good stance, grip, relaxing, not being too aggressive, etc, etc. You've got to put your best swing on it and using a club with clean grooves is part of that because once you've hit the ball you have NO control. If you focus too much on the end result you'll just end up cursing, throwing clubs and making yourself miserable.

I say pretend you are about 10 strokes better than you actually are and keep those clubs clean.

[Tapate50]

Meh, a dirty club with dirty grooves might reduce some of that side spin... just sayin'

[gilesfan]

Meh, a dirty club with dirty grooves might reduce some of that side spin... just sayin'


Yes, it does. But, you are talking about someone that doesn't break 100. Really, clean grooves are the last thing people shooting 100 need to worry about. Though, like I said, just bruch it off after hitting a shot is keeping the grooves clean enough.

[CyYoung31]

http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/1533415.jpg

[DjGrizz]

That thumb is being offered to all those that want a good fingering

[thethe]

Just shot a 92 on a Par 70 today. Best round ever. I'm so hooked.

[Carp]

Gotta disagree with Giles here. While clean clubs may or may not produce better results on contact, any golfer knows that the mental game is the most important part of your game. If clean, new looking clubs make you feel better about your game and give you more confidence, then that itself is probably worth a few less strokes in a round.

[Runnin]

Gotta disagree with Giles here. While clean clubs may or may not produce better results on contact, any golfer knows that the mental game is the most important part of your game. If clean, new looking clubs make you feel better about your game and give you more confidence, then that itself is probably worth a few less strokes in a round.Completely agree. Pride and respect for the game means more care and diligent attention to the details, which is huge in any sport you take seriously. This directly translates into more focus and less careless mistakes.

Japanese players never spit on the field or litter up the dugout. They consider both sacred.

I played a round last week, first time in years, and had a blast even though I had to use a pull cart. The course has a "no carry bag" rule, which sucks.

[Tapate50]

Never heard of a rule like that

[Tapate50]

A tradition unlike any other...

Predictions?

I got little Ricky Fowler showing well.

[thethe]

Have to do well on the Par 5's here. I like Bubba!

[Tapate50]

Have to do well on the Par 5's here. I like Bubba!

Hard not to.

[The Chosen One]

I've read Bubba's bio. Nice story but apparently he's such a dick in real life that even UGAout alumnus don't like claiming him as one of them.

Although I hear Mickelson is a bigger dick irl.

[Tapate50]

I've read Bubba's bio. Nice story but apparently he's such a dick in real life that even UGAout alumnus don't like claiming him as one of them.

Although I hear Mickelson is a bigger dick irl.

Lol.

[Heyward]

Havent looked at scores yet, i'll go with...

Kuchar.

[Heyward]

Double post.

[NinersSBChamps]

Adam Scott is my man! Belly putters l!!!

[NinersSBChamps]

Why isn't this televised right now?

[thethe]

Why isn't this televised right now?

It has to be on either CBS/NBC/Golf Channel

Wish I was home watching.

[Tapate50]

Online only til 3 I think

[pfiggy]

ESPN at 3 pm.

[Krgrecw]

Isn't Thier a Master App that has live feed with different angles? Columbia SC is a little over an hour away from Augusta and all the hotels up here are always packed. Busiest weekend for restaurants in columbia sc.

[NinersSBChamps]

Adam Scott with a good first round.

Golf is so much more enjoyable when the soap opera that is Tiger Woods isn't playing.

[Tapate50]

Adam Scott with a good first round.

Golf is so much more enjoyable when the soap opera that is Tiger Woods isn't playing.

I go back and forth. Lately its been more enjoyable because not everyone is riding his jock quite so hard. I enjoy watching him pout and get beat. Its been happening a lot lately too.

Big days from some predictable names. Jonas Blixt excluded. He was on fire on the front.

[Heyward]

Adam Scott with a good first round.

Golf is so much more enjoyable when the soap opera that is Tiger Woods isn't playing.

No, it's not, ratings go to crap without him.

[Heyward]

Great round for Bubba even with the bogey on 18.

[NinersSBChamps]

No, it's not, ratings go to crap without him.

I enjoy not having to listen to his soap opera style career. Ratings don't affect people who watch it though. Just because the ratings aren't as high doesn't mean I won't watch it.

[CyYoung31]

I've read Bubba's bio. Nice story but apparently he's such a dick in real life that even UGAout alumnus don't like claiming him as one of them.

Although I hear Mickelson is a bigger dick irl.

Bubba is a dick. Take it from someone in the know.

[Tapate50]

Bubba is a dick. Take it from someone in the know.

Wouldn't let you drive the General Lee?

[Heyward]

Should be an epic Sunday.

Like 13+ guys within striking distance.

[thethe]

JOrdan Spieth with an incredible shot on 4 from the bunker for a birdie!

[Heyward]

Bubba with a risky shot, holy crap.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Way to go Bubba!:rock:

[thethe]

Have to do well on the Par 5's here. I like Bubba!

Nailed it.

[Heyward]

Should be an epic Sunday.

Like 13+ guys within striking distance.

Pretty boring.

Bubba cruised, though if the shot on 15 i think it was went in the water, it could of got real interesting.

[TURBO]

Im probably in the minority, but I miss watching Tiger when he was at his best. Was amazing.

[Heyward]

Im probably in the minority, but I miss watching Tiger when he was at his best. Was amazing.

You aren't, Tiger is good for golf whether people want to admit or not.

[Heyward]

Yeah, golf doesnt miss Tiger.

Ratings go to crap without him even if he's washed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSDSoiCUAAcpOF.jpg

[acesfull86]

I like seeing Tiger get beat, but his presence doesn't make me watch or not watch.

[Heyward]

I like seeing Tiger get beat, but his presence doesn't make me watch or not watch.

It doesnt make me watch or not watch but the ratings suck without him, and thats a fact.

This was the worst Masters, ratings wise in 10-20 years.

[Tapate50]

Golden Bear drops an ace on em in the Par 3. Solid stuff right there.

[thethe]

Hopefully Tiger won't embarrass himself this week.

[gilesfan]

hopefully he does.

[thethe]

I don't get the hate for Tiger.

[Carp]

I'm going with Jimmy Walker to win it. He's been hot this year. Won 2 tourney's already, also has a 2nd place finish, and hasn't finished lower than 41st in any other tourney. He's playing some great golf.

[NinersSBChamps]

Rory!!!!

[gilesfan]

Hoping for Fowler. But would be happy with Speith/Day/Walker

[gilesfan]

I don't get the hate for Tiger.

Really?

[Tapate50]

Just a rumor from some quasi tour types, but Tigers yips may have been from coming off those heavy pain meds from his back surgery. I heard he was ballin' out during practice this week.

Masters pool, winner take all I got:

Dustin Johnson,
Stenson,
Keegan Bradley
Russell Henley
NA
McDowell
Bae
and two guys I have never heard of.

[Tapate50]

I don't get the hate for Tiger.

How is this possible?

[MrShwag]

Woods +2 after 4 holes.. He'll once again be hyped up and fail to make the 8< With the amount of hype that came out of nowhere, I figured he may have done some steroids to regain that edge he had back when he was roiding and winning.

[Tapate50]

Speith with one helluva first round... Kid is 21. Wow

[thethe]

How is this possible?

Just because he isn't the button up proper guy?

Because he likes women a little too much?

I only got into golf about 4 years ago so I don't know too much of this history with Tiger.

[Tapate50]

Just because he isn't the button up proper guy?

Because he likes women a little too much?

I only got into golf about 4 years ago so I don't know too much of this history with Tiger.

He is the button up proper guy or at least that's what his robot ass was programmed to be.

He is a dick. Dick to his caddie, to his friends, etc... He whines, and bitches and moans...

Read the Hank Haney book about his time teaching him. Weird dude.

[gilesfan]

My pool includes:

Day
Speith
Rory
Kuchar
Bubba
Walker


Id say first day went pretty well.

[gilesfan]

Just because he isn't the button up proper guy?

Because he likes women a little too much?

I only got into golf about 4 years ago so I don't know too much of this history with Tiger.


You explain his actions as "liking women a little too much?"

[Tapate50]

My pool includes:

Day
Speith
Rory
Kuchar
Bubba
Walker


Id say first day went pretty well.

There 2 of you in it?

[acesfull86]

He is the button up proper guy or at least that's what his robot ass was programmed to be.

He is a dick. Dick to his caddie, to his friends, etc... He whines, and bitches and moans...

Read the Hank Haney book about his time teaching him. Weird dude.

I think John Feinstein said Tiger is the most miserable (or 2nd most miserable after Bobby Knight) figure he has ever encountered in his career covering pro sports. I read the Haney book and it does paint the picture of a weird dude. I couldn't stand Tiger before his private life became public...that was just icing on the cake.

[Tapate50]

I think John Feinstein said Tiger is the most miserable (or 2nd most miserable after Bobby Knight) figure he has ever encountered in his career covering pro sports. I read the Haney book and it does paint the picture of a weird dude. I couldn't stand Tiger before his private life became public...that was just icing on the cake.

I don't even care about that the whorin' himself out. He is a big cry baby and a class A jerk.

[gilesfan]

There 2 of you in it?

Can pick any 6 golfers

[acesfull86]

Speith is bossing Augusta

[Heyward]

I dont mind if Spieth wins, great player, but would at least like to have some drama on Sunday.

Looking like a prime Tiger major where he laps the field.

[bravesnumberone]

This whole waiting until 3:00 to show live golf on TV is so stupid.

[gilesfan]

This whole waiting until 3:00 to show live golf on TV is so stupid.

I've been watching all day.

[Julio3000]

This golf on TV is so stupid.

FIFY

:Gasp:

[acesfull86]

Only shame in Spieth's victory is he didn't keep in at -19 to have sole possession of the record.

[CrimsonCowboy]

That was just an awesome showing all weekend from Spieth

[Heyward]

Congrats to Jordan but did anyone else think it was a LITTLE boring.

The best part of the Masters/majors is the final back nine push.

There wasnt anyof that today.

[Tapate50]

I thought it was boring, no one ever threatened. I like the drama , but cannot complain about who won. Great showing.

[goldfly]

You explain his actions as "liking women a little too much?"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA

[gilesfan]

Rickie Fowler, bitches!!!

[zitothebrave]

You explain his actions as "liking women a little too much?"

If you were the richest most well known athlete in the world, you would remain faithful and true? Hell nah. I wouldn't have gotten married though, or would have married someone who didn't care if I cheated.

[The Chosen One]

If you were the richest most well known athlete in the world, you would remain faithful and true? Hell nah. I wouldn't have gotten married though, or would have married someone who didn't care if I cheated.


You explain his actions as "liking women a little too much?"

I was going to write this in the Mayweather/Pacquiao thread but forgot so I'll just write it here.

There's some irony to the fact that Pacquiao and Tiger's game respectively has dropped in the last few years. When Pacquiao was cheating on his wife, drinking, gambling, etc. he was destroying every opponent in the ring. It's only in the last 2-3 years when he became a converted Born-Again Christian that he started slowing down and dominating less.

The same for Tiger. When he was cheating on his wife with 50 mistresses, guy was winning tournaments and winning majors. After he got caught, had to deal with the stress of the public image, etc. his game dropped off. He's seemed to hit a huge mental block since then on the golf course, not converting shots he was sinking with ease years ago.

Now I'm not endorsing they gotback to those lifestyles, Tiger probably can since he "broke-up" with Lindsay, but both athletes had a certain edge to them. Guys like them who are in physical peak shape in their respective sports must have testosterone through the roof. Even some of the media darlings who we perceive as good guys like Steve Nash have been caught cheating on their wives too.

One can say it's age catching up to them, but Mickelson is still winning majors or at least finishing near the Top past 40, Mayweather is 38 and still in pretty decent shape. Bonds, Kobe, even our very own Chipper. There's something about being an elite athlete in your sport, and the ego it allows you to have to get to sleep with all of these women.

[gilesfan]

I was going to write this in the Mayweather/Pacquiao thread but forgot so I'll just write it here.

There's some irony to the fact that Pacquiao and Tiger's game respectively has dropped in the last few years. When Pacquiao was cheating on his wife, drinking, gambling, etc. he was destroying every opponent in the ring. It's only in the last 2-3 years when he became a converted Born-Again Christian that he started slowing down and dominating less.

The same for Tiger. When he was cheating on his wife with 50 mistresses, guy was winning tournaments and winning majors. After he got caught, had to deal with the stress of the public image, etc. his game dropped off. He's seemed to hit a huge mental block since then on the golf course, not converting shots he was sinking with ease years ago.

Now I'm not endorsing they gotback to those lifestyles, Tiger probably can since he "broke-up" with Lindsay, but both athletes had a certain edge to them. Guys like them who are in physical peak shape in their respective sports must have testosterone through the roof. Even some of the media darlings who we perceive as good guys like Steve Nash have been caught cheating on their wives too.

Pac Man is past his prime and has slowed down.

Tiger is off the juice.

That explains it better than their sex lives.

[The Chosen One]

Pac Man is past his prime and has slowed down.

Tiger is off the juice.

That explains it better than their sex lives.

Juice has nothing to do with Tiger not sinking makable puts he used to hit without blinking in his prime.

And again, Mayweather is 38, he's a pretty big asshole still has the same mental edge he had 6 years ago.

[thethe]

Has there been any proof tiger was on roids?

[The Chosen One]

And giles it's more than sex life per say, but more about the arrogance of being a premier athlete and going to every town and sleeping with a different woman. Pacquaio absolutely slowed down in the ring once his wife caught him and threatened divorce. Tiger is still as muscular as he was in 2008 before the scandal.

You can pretty much go in every sport and see top athletes and find stories about their sex lives everywhere. Federer is one of the few handful of athletes whom I haven't read anything about him doing such. LeBron may be another.

[gilesfan]

And giles it's more than sex life per say, but more about the arrogance of being a premier athlete and going to every town and sleeping with a different woman. Pacquaio absolutely slowed down in the ring once his wife caught him and threatened divorce. Tiger is still as muscular as he was in 2008 before the scandal.

You can pretty much go in every sport and see top athletes and find stories about their sex lives everywhere. Federer is one of the few handful of athletes whom I haven't read anything about him doing such. LeBron may be another.


How do you know Tiger and Pac Man don't still do this?

[thethe]

So are we just assuming tiger did roids?

[Tapate50]

Enjoyed seeing Ricky pull it off this past weekend. Played some bad A golf to get it done. He will win at Augusta if Speith doesn't dominate the next 10 years.

[zitothebrave]

So are we just assuming tiger did roids?

Accusing someone of steroids is a blanket hateraid comment. Short of someone getting busted, or ballooning comically (think Bonds/Soso/McGwire) you don't have evidence of that. I think Tiger had injury issues. I think that's the biggest issue. It's lead to his mental issues as well.

[The Chosen One]

How do you know Tiger and Pac Man don't still do this?

How do you know steroids is the reason Tiger doesn't put down the same 8 foot putts he used to do before? Steroids only enabled Tiger to hit the ball farther, they didn't allow him to hit the ball accurately.

And for Pacquiao his personal life is scrutinized much more than most athletes. One he's an actual Congressman. Two he has aspirations for the Philippine Presidency once he retires. Catholicism is much much more conservative than here in the US. Pacquiao's overall demeanor has changed in the last 3-4 years. Pacquiao is as big and idolized in the Philippines as someone like President Obama is here (whether or not you like Obama, he's a pretty pop-culture savvy guy).

Wasn't Mike Tyson sleeping with hundreds of women when he was reigning champ?

[gilesfan]

So are we just assuming tiger did roids?

Do you follow golf?

-Tiger was suspended for 1 month for PED use. (the tour denied it like they denied Dustin Johnson was suspended for coke). The tour tries to hide this, but others in the know have stated it.

-Tiger paid 195k to Anthony Galea.

-Tigers was on the Biogenesis list.

[gilesfan]

How do you know steroids is the reason Tiger doesn't put down the same 8 foot putts he used to do before? Steroids only enabled Tiger to hit the ball farther, they didn't allow him to hit the ball accurately.

And for Pacquiao his personal life is scrutinized much more than most athletes. One he's an actual Congressman. Two he has aspirations for the Philippine Presidency once he retires. Catholicism is much much more conservative than here in the US. Pacquiao's overall demeanor has changed in the last 3-4 years. Pacquiao is as big and idolized in the Philippines as someone like President Obama is here (whether or not you like Obama, he's a pretty pop-culture savvy guy).

Wasn't Mike Tyson sleeping with hundreds of women when he was reigning champ?


Steriods also gives confidence, which is enormous in golf so it's not just being able to hit the ball further. PEDS also allow you to heal better so that toll of a PGA Tour season isn't felt as badly as without.

[zitothebrave]

Do you follow golf?

-Tiger was suspended for 1 month for PED use. (the tour denied it like they denied Dustin Johnson was suspended for coke). The tour tries to hide this, but others in the know have stated it.


The person who publicly said that retracted his statement because it was hearsay with no evidence.

[zitothebrave]

Steriods also gives confidence, which is enormous in golf so it's not just being able to hit the ball further. PEDS also allow you to heal better so that toll of a PGA Tour season isn't felt as badly as without.

Tiger was also young when he was dominating. Is McIlroy on steroids? He doesn't seem to be feeling the sting of the PGA tour season too bad.

[Tapate50]

It is believed in golf circles Tiger was on roids for a good while. It doesn't pass the eye test either if you follow closely enough. Golfers don't want to get as ripped as he was as it can impede movement needed.

I think he was on roids, and his training with the roids wrecked his body and that he is now paying for it.

[The Chosen One]

It is believed in golf circles Tiger was on roids for a good while. It doesn't pass the eye test either if you follow closely enough. Golfers don't want to get as ripped as he was as it can impede movement needed.

I think he was on roids, and his training with the roids wrecked his body and that he is now paying for it.

Arnold Palmer was pretty ripped for a golfer in his prime for his time. Suppose he juiced too.

[gilesfan]

Tiger was also young when he was dominating. Is McIlroy on steroids? He doesn't seem to be feeling the sting of the PGA tour season too bad.


There are some reports that McIIroy is on the juice, but I don't think anything has been linked to him like Tiger.

[gilesfan]

The person who publicly said that retracted his statement because it was hearsay with no evidence.

Yes, he said someone he believes is reliable told him and that he didn't see Tiger stick a needle in his butt himself.

[gilesfan]

It is believed in golf circles Tiger was on roids for a good while. It doesn't pass the eye test either if you follow closely enough. Golfers don't want to get as ripped as he was as it can impede movement needed.

I think he was on roids, and his training with the roids wrecked his body and that he is now paying for it.

It depends, if you focus on the right area, core/back/legs-which Tiger did; it can absolutely benefit you.

[Tapate50]

It depends, if you focus on the right area, core/back/legs-which Tiger did; it can absolutely benefit you.

It can as long as it doesn't compromise flexibility and the necessary movements.

[Tapate50]

Arnold Palmer was pretty ripped for a golfer in his prime for his time. Suppose he juiced too.

I don't.

He wasn't that ripped either.

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/140528-arnold-palmer-01.jpg?quality=65&strip=color&w=761

[zitothebrave]

There are some reports that McIIroy is on the juice, but I don't think anything has been linked to him like Tiger.

Accusing someoen of steroids is the hatoraid way of doing things.

People accused anyone in baseball who was good of being on steroids. While some guys used PEDs (Bonds, McGwire, A-Fraud) some guys were accused with little evidence (to name 2 immediately Chipper and Andruw)

[zitothebrave]

There are some reports that McIIroy is on the juice, but I don't think anything has been linked to him like Tiger.

Accusing someoen of steroids is the hatoraid way of doing things.

People accused anyone in baseball who was good of being on steroids. While some guys used PEDs (Bonds, McGwire, A-Fraud) some guys were accused with little evidence (to name 2 immediately Chipper and Andruw)

[gilesfan]

Accusing someoen of steroids is the hatoraid way of doing things.

People accused anyone in baseball who was good of being on steroids. While some guys used PEDs (Bonds, McGwire, A-Fraud) some guys were accused with little evidence (to name 2 immediately Chipper and Andruw)

Tiger isn't accused "with little evidence."

[zitothebrave]

Tiger isn't accused "with little evidence."

He's accused cause he's great. Only strong link is biogenesis. Which not everyone tied to that was using something illegal.

Here's a quote about biogenesis

Hank Haney, Woods' former swing coach, who has been one of Woods' most vocal critics since they stopped working together in 2010, told the Golf Channel that he never saw anything out of the ordinary in Galea's treatment of Woods.

"I was there and watched the whole procedure," Haney said. "There was never anything that went into Tiger Woods's body that didn't come out of his body. They take blood out, they spin it, they inject the plasma back in. I totally believe that Tiger Woods has never taken any performance-enhancing drugs."

[gilesfan]

He's accused cause he's great. Only strong link is biogenesis. Which not everyone tied to that was using something illegal.

Here's a quote about biogenesis

Hank Haney, Woods' former swing coach, who has been one of Woods' most vocal critics since they stopped working together in 2010, told the Golf Channel that he never saw anything out of the ordinary in Galea's treatment of Woods.

"I was there and watched the whole procedure," Haney said. "There was never anything that went into Tiger Woods's body that didn't come out of his body. They take blood out, they spin it, they inject the plasma back in. I totally believe that Tiger Woods has never taken any performance-enhancing drugs."

You don't know when to stop when you clearly don't even know what you are talking about. Haney was on 4 visits with Galea (the Canadian Doctor) where he even claims he has no idea what type of treatments Woods was given, bc stuff was taken out of his knees and put back in.

The Biogenesis scandal out of Florida was with Anthony Bosch, where Tiger was on the list as having received "testosterone creams, human growth hormone and steroids"

[Carp]

Pac Man is past his prime and has slowed down.

Tiger is off the juice.

That explains it better than their sex lives.

Even if Tiger was on roids (I'm skeptical) that would have little to do with his performance. He's hitting the ball roughly the same distance at he was in his prime. The main thing is he isn't sinking as many puts as he used to. And despite all that, he's still one of the top golfers in the world when he's healthy.

As far as confidence, eh his sex life could have just as large an affect, if not larger.

[gilesfan]

Even if Tiger was on roids (I'm skeptical to say the least) that would have little to do with his performance. He's hitting the ball roughly the same distance at he was in his prime. The main thing is he isn't sinking as many puts as he used to. And despite all that, he's still one of the top golfers in the world when he's healthy.

He hasn't been one of the top golfers in the world in a long time.

[Carp]

I see you didn't bother to read the bit after that. "when he's healthy."

He hasn't been healthy in a while. He's played in a grand total of 12 tourneys since the start of 2014. You're golf ranking tends to take a hit when you don't play in any event and the ones you do play you don't play well (again due to injury).

2013 was the last time he was remotely healthy and he won like 6 tourneys. It's possible he never regains the no. 1 ranking. But acting like being off roids (if he was on them) is the reason for his downfall is stupid.

[gilesfan]

I see you didn't bother to read the bit after that. "when he's healthy."

He hasn't been healthy in a while. He's played in a grand total of 12 tourneys since the start of 2014. You're golf ranking tends to take a hit when you don't play in any event and the ones you do play you don't play well (again due to injury).

2013 was the last time he was remotely healthy and he won like 6 tourneys. It's possible he never regains the no. 1 ranking. But acting like being off roids (if was on them) is the reason for his downfall is stupid.


09- 18 events, 15 top 10, 7 wins
10- 12 events, 2 top 10, 0 wins
11- 9 events, 2 top 10, 0 wins
12- 19 events, 9 top 10, 3 wins
13- 16 events, 8 top 10, 5 wins
14- 7 events, 0 top 10, 0 wins
15- 5 events, 0 top 10, 0 wins

so when was he healthy vs. no healthy?

When was the biogenesis report?

[Tapate50]

Even if Tiger was on roids (I'm skeptical) that would have little to do with his performance. He's hitting the ball roughly the same distance at he was in his prime. The main thing is he isn't sinking as many puts as he used to. And despite all that, he's still one of the top golfers in the world when he's healthy.

As far as confidence, eh his sex life could have just as large an affect, if not larger.

He isn't sinking as many putts for a litany of reasons, but distance isn't one of them. He isn't hitting irons closer in large part because he isn't hitting fairways. He traded in a predictable fade, for uncontrollable distance off the tee since Haney was his coach. He hits around 50% of fairways over the passed few years, and that isn't a recipe for close iron shots and birdies for Tiger. Always a better putter under pressure than not, he makes all of his 5 footers, and around half of other putts inside 10 feet I'd wager which is average.

Problem is, I think his average birdie putt has gotten farther from the cup with the scoring irons for him. ( 8 iron-wedges)

[Carp]

09- 18 events, 15 top 10, 7 wins
10- 12 events, 2 top 10, 0 wins
11- 9 events, 2 top 10, 0 wins
12- 19 events, 9 top 10, 3 wins
13- 16 events, 8 top 10, 5 wins
14- 7 events, 0 top 10, 0 wins
15- 5 events, 0 top 10, 0 wins

so when was he healthy vs. no healthy?

When was the biogenesis report?

10 and 11 was when he was going through the divorce and the public scrutiny for his infedility. He also didn't compete nearly as much as years past. Is it really that surprising to see him stumble a bit when dealing with pressure of losing sponsors and the entire world knowing your sex life and hating you, and also not playing competitively nearly as much as years past? Anyone at the top of their game will attest to how much effort you have to put in to remain at the top. If you're not putting in the time that you used to, it's pretty reasonable to expect a decline in performance.

He had surgery on his back barely 1 year ago. And had another back injury at the start of this year. So, no longer taking steroids means he gets a back injury?. Injuries are largely the reason he has fallen off recently. If he did take steroids, then at best they might have helped him recover from injuries faster. But aside from that, they would have had almost zero affect on his overall game.

[The Chosen One]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/04/things-we-wish-we-didnt-know-about-mike-tyson-sex-life/beat-up-prostitutes-hotel-room

[acesfull86]

Major time is here again, which can only mean one thing: wall-to-wall "what's wrong with Tiger?" coverage.

[Tapate50]

Those greens are terrible and I'm not talking about the discoloration.

[Runnin]

Those greens are terrible and I'm not talking about the discoloration.
I agree. This is a horrible U.S. Open Course.

It would make a perfect British Open Course but this is not what I want to see at our Open. Why give European players an advantage with a links course?

[The Chosen One]

Wow. Epic choke at the end by DJ.

[CyYoung31]

Wow. Epic choke at the end by DJ.

Par for the course for that ****er.

[Heyward]

I was pulling for DJ but he always chokes, so cant really be surprised with that.

[Runnin]

I was pulling for DJ but he always chokes, so cant really be surprised with that.
I thought his body language was negative while looking over his first putt and predicted he'd miss it coming back. He looked like he had no confidence at all and that was hard to believe after the drive and 2nd shot he hit.

[gilesfan]

I guess he "choked" but watching that first putt, he barely tapped it. That put must have been a nightmare.

I have trouble with nerves playing my local league matches, doing it on that stage is incredible. Glad to see asperity win another one. Almost as happy as seeing Tiger play like crap.

[The Chosen One]

Merging all golf threads into one.

[The Chosen One]

Spieth bounced back rather nicely from yesterday. Good lord.

[The Chosen One]

DJ still hanging near the top of the leaderboard, but man if he can't seal the deal on this.

[NinersSBChamps]

Dustin Johnson has been bad today. He isn't sealing anything. Some Irish amateur is the co-leader right now. Crazy stuff!

[gilesfan]

DJ just doesnt have it mentally. Cant wait till tomorrow. Oos winning, Spieth a third major? Amatuer? Cant wait.

[thethe]

DJ just doesnt have it mentally. Cant wait till tomorrow. Oos winning, Spieth a third major? Amatuer? Cant wait.

Have to root for Spieth. Kid is just nails and so far has handled himself brilliantly off the course.

[Tapate50]

DJ just doesnt have it mentally. Cant wait till tomorrow. Oos winning, Spieth a third major? Amatuer? Cant wait.

Was a helluva day for golf yesterday. Should be a great finish.

[gilesfan]

Was a helluva day for golf yesterday. Should be a great finish.

Im in all kinds of draftkings, bets, tourneys, etc. My guys blew up yesterday...Fowler, Mick, Pepperell, Louie

[thethe]

Draft kings is bringing golf a tremendous amount of attention and revenues. Amazing what gambling does for sports.

[gilesfan]

not disappointing. Shaping up to be an amazing finish. Just about any outcome would be a great story.

[thethe]

SPIETH!!!
What a damn putt on 16.

[The Chosen One]

Damn. Spieth looks like he isn't gonna tie.

[The Chosen One]

Good for Zach. Well played playoff.

[gilesfan]

Good for Zach. Well played playoff.

Yeah, cool to see a guy win because of his short game when everyone thought length would do it here.

[The Chosen One]

Going to the oldest golf club in the US right now to walk a few holes.

[Runnin]

Going to the oldest golf club in the US right now to walk a few holes.
And where is that?

[The Chosen One]

And where is that?

The Savannah Golf Club est. 1794

I work there (tennis). So I can walk the course for free on Mondays when the course is closed.

[Runnin]

The Savannah Golf Club est. 1794

I work there (tennis). So I can walk the course for free on Mondays when the course is closed.
Cool. Is it a links style course?

The town where I live has a links style course with palm trees. They used to play the Mizuno Open there.

[The Chosen One]

Cool. Is it a links style course?

The town where I live has a links style course with palm trees. They used to play the Mizuno Open there.

Not really. We have one like that in Savannah called Savannah Harbor. They used to play Liberty Mutual Senior Tour there.

But the golf club is extremely tight. It's surrounded by downtown, an old catholic cemetery and an elementary school. They don't have room to really expand. It's a beautiful course definitely. If you're ever in this part of the world again you can be my Monday guest.

[Runnin]

Not really. We have one like that in Savannah called Savannah Harbor. They used to play Liberty Mutual Senior Tour there.

But the golf club is extremely tight. It's surrounded by downtown, an old catholic cemetery and an elementary school. They don't have room to really expand. It's a beautiful course definitely. If you're ever in this part of the world again you can be my Monday guest.Golf is on my retirement plan, so I may take you up on your offer.

[The Chosen One]

I'm improving my game. I play once a week for the last few months. It's hard separating my tennis instincts to golf.

[Runnin]

These days I prefer a decent municipal course over a fancy country club with all the trimmings. I just want to play golf and not deal with being wined and dined or having my ego stroked.

[Krgrecw]

Can someone explain to me this big outrage that took place at the woman's gold event this weekend? DAilymail paints this women as a villain and that did something unsportsmanlike.

[Runnin]

Can someone explain to me this big outrage that took place at the woman's gold event this weekend? DAilymail paints this women as a villain and that did something unsportsmanlike.
Haven't read the article or seen the video, but apparently the American player thought her putt had been conceded and picked it up. Evidently no one conceded her putt, so the penalty was right. I would've done the same thing. The outrage might come from the fact that with so much putt conceding in team events, some might start taking all short putts for granted. It's a huge mistake to expect your putt will be given to you, especially if you're in the lead. The American player should've clearly asked if the putt was good.

Usually it's the player in the lead who does most of the putt conceding. The trailing player or team is certainly under no obligation by rule or courtesy to concede any putts, ever, nor should they be.

[Krgrecw]

Haven't read the article or seen the video, but apparently the American player thought her putt had been conceded and picked it up. Evidently no one conceded her putt, so the penalty was right. I would've done the same thing. The outrage might come from the fact that with so much putt conceding in team events, some might start taking all short putts for granted. It's a huge mistake to expect your putt will be given to you, especially if you're in the lead. The American player should've clearly asked if the putt was good.

Usually it's the player in the lead who does most of the putt conceding. The trailing player or team is certainly under no obligation by rule or courtesy to concede any putts, ever, nor should they be.

Gotcha. Supposedly the villains own teammates started to break down crying saying it was a dick move

[Runnin]

Gotcha. Supposedly the villains own teammates started to break down crying saying it was a dick move
They are girls - they cry. Besides, she didn't say that.

The "villain"? Gotcha. You can't expect pros to all of a sudden play by weekend rules. Even if everyone is conceding putts, you have to make sure your putt is conceded before you pick it up. Just common sense.

[gilesfan]

Gotcha. Supposedly the villains own teammates started to break down crying saying it was a dick move

Its because everyone knows it was a dick move. The putt was 18 inches and it's a dick move to not concede (at the very least). But, Peterson is known to skirt the rules so pretty much everyone thinks she conceded the putt and then backed out when the American picked up her ball. The American says she clearly heard her say the putt was good. Unfortunately golf is managed by the players themselves bc 99.9% of them are honest players and there wasn't an official that could have heard the incident.

USA came back and beat them so it all worked out. If Peterson had any class at all in the first place, maybe 1 person would believe her, but no one did. I think her playing partner was even against her.

[Runnin]

There are no gimmes in pro golf.

[gilesfan]

There are no gimmes in pro golf.

Huh? In match play you concede short putts. And peterson likely did concede it.

[Krgrecw]

Huh? In match play you concede short putts. And peterson likely did concede it.

She must be a hellacious girlfriend/wife.

[Runnin]

Huh? In match play you concede short putts. And peterson likely did concede it.
I think you likely weren't there and don't know if she conceded it or not. Look, even if Peterson, a professional golfer who's been playing organized golf with basically the same players day in and day out for a decade, did trick Lee into picking up her putt, which nobody is saying she did, it was still Lee's fault for letting it happen.

If Peterson really is such a "dick player" with a Machiavellian reputation, Lee should've known that and not taken anything for granted. There isn't one scenario where Lee didn't screw up by not making sure the putt was conceded.

[Runnin]

She must be a hellacious girlfriend/wife.
Maybe I'm a sexist for saying it, but women golfers are like this. I was an assistant pro at a club for a couple summers and playing with the women on ladies day was one of my jobs. It was always something. They get nitpicky with the rules and upset easily.

[gilesfan]

I think you likely weren't there and don't know if she conceded it or not. Look, even if Peterson, a professional golfer who's been playing organized golf with basically the same players day in and day out for a decade, did trick Lee into picking up her putt, which nobody is saying she did, it was still Lee's fault for letting it happen.

If Peterson really is such a "dick player" with a Machiavellian reputation, Lee should've known that and not taken anything for granted. There isn't one scenario where Lee didn't screw up by not making sure the putt was conceded.


What are you talking about? That is exactly what everybody is saying she did. The Americans said they Europeans conceded the putt. Puts are conceded all the time and it's a "gentlemans" game. There isn't a golfer out there that would question when another player says a putt is good.

To recap, Lee missed a putt leaving it 18 inches from the hole. Someone says something in regards to the putt being good (which no one makes anyone putt under 3-4 feet) Lee, Peterson, their caddies and the rules official walk off the green in which case the rules official says the hole is halved before Lee picks up the ball. Why did the rules official call the hole halved if the putt wasn't conceded? You don't walk off the green before the hole is completed. Worst case, it was terrible sportsmanship for the Europians to walk off the green before the hole was finished. Their actions support the conceding of the putt, but Peterson figured out a way to snatch a point by claiming no one conceded putt (which you can't prove her wrong since the rules official was walking off the green).

If Petersen didn't concede the putt, why did she walk off the green? No one walks off the green if the putt isn't conceded. Pettersen's own playing partner disagreed with what Pettersen did.

"Poor old Alison Lee must think, 'I hope I never play a Solheim Cup again'. She has had food poisoning and now she has been wronged by one of the most senior players in golf and [who] used to be one of the most respected players.

"I know Pettersen is angry and justifying everything, but she has let herself down and she has certainly let her team down. I am so glad I am not on that team this time.

On Sky Sports, recent Hall of Fame inductee Laura Davies, who is friends with Pettersen, couldn't hide her disappointment.

'Disgusted. We have got our best player, Charley Hull, who has just won a point and she is in floods of tears. That tells you the wrong thing was done.

"How Suzann can justify that I will never, ever know. We are all fierce competitors but ultimately it's unfair," Davies said. "We have to play week in, week out together and you do not do something like that to a fellow pro."

[Runnin]

I don't think you can say "That's good. " and then unconcede the putt after the player picks up the ball. I understood the controversy to be that Lee assumed the putt was conceded by Peterson's demeanor. I don't believe you can concede a putt by walking away or any other vague body language. If she actually said, "That's good. Pick it up," the hole would've been over.

You never ever pick up your putt without a clear, vocal concession from your opponent. That's match play 101.

All the people bitching about this are basically upset over a bat flip. It was one hole in one match of a 2 day team event, not a big deal if it wasn't blown out of proportion. Tempest in a teacup. Actually, a little broohaha is good for viewers and good for the game. The Americans surely made good use of it.

The anger Laura Davies and Julie Inkster showed was in complete contradiction of their position, that the game was a friendly, non-competitive exhibition match. If that were true, why did players burst into tears over a measly loss of one hole???? Lee got sloppy, Petterson nailed her on a technicality and then the American team got motivated to win. I don't see the problem.

[Runnin]

Great interview about Augusta National and a guy from my hometown. Clay was older than me and I don't think I ever got to play with him. Clay designed the putter that Nicklaus won the Masters with.

http://tourdiaries.taylormadegolf.com/2016/03/what-its-really-like-to-play-augusta/ (http://tourdiaries.taylormadegolf.com/2016/03/what-its-really-like-to-play-augusta/http://)

[The Chosen One]

Sergio playing some great golf the last few holes.

[The Chosen One]

Wow Rose with a lucky bounce!

[The Chosen One]

Sergio with an even better shot! Holy cow!

[The Chosen One]

Sergio choked the Masters on his putter.

Onto the playoffs we go!

[CyYoung31]

****ing Sergio.

[The Chosen One]

Plz don't choke again Sergio!

[The Chosen One]

Sergio!

[NinersSBChamps]

Very incredible last few holes of golf. It was intense when Sergio and Rose has separated themselves from the field. It was basically match play from the 14th on! I think the turning point was on 13, maybe. Sergio had to take a penalty and I believe he saved par and if not would had fallen three back.

[Heyward]

good for Sergio, happy he finally got a major.

[Runnin]

Congrats to Sergio. I wasn't able to watch any of it but so glad for him to finally win a big one.

[The Chosen One]

Anyone see what's going on right now with Spieth? This is hilarious.

[Runnin]

Anyone see what's going on right now with Spieth? This is hilarious.
What were you talking about? The fiasco on 13?

After that he went birdie, eagle, birdie, birdie, par. One of the best major finishes I've ever seen.

[Tapate50]

What were you talking about? The fiasco on 13?

After that he went birdie, eagle, birdie, birdie, par. One of the best major finishes I've ever seen.

A back 9 for the ages right there. He looked absolutely lost out there through 13. Then, he had enough and rattled off some top notch golf.

Best putter I've ever seen and its not real close.

[gilesfan]

A back 9 for the ages right there. He looked absolutely lost out there through 13. Then, he had enough and rattled off some top notch golf.

Best putter I've ever seen and its not real close.

He's probably not the best putter to be honest. He is probably the best at long putters, but he's not near the best in short to intermediate putts. It just look good with him rolling in long ones.

[The Chosen One]

He's probably not the best putter to be honest. He is probably the best at long putters, but he's not near the best in short to intermediate putts. It just look good with him rolling in long ones.

Some of Tiger's putts still amaze the hell out of me.

[gilesfan]

http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02564.html

Speith is 36th in strokes gained putting. Granted, if there was a 40 foot putt to win, I would probably take him over anyone.

What he's elite at is approach shots. He doesn't drive the ball far or very accurate at all, but he is the best at getting the ball on the green.

[Tapate50]

http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02564.html

Speith is 36th in strokes gained putting. Granted, if there was a 40 foot putt to win, I would probably take him over anyone.

What he's elite at is approach shots. He doesn't drive the ball far or very accurate at all, but he is the best at getting the ball on the green.

Maybe. He was 9th and 2nd respectively the last two years. I'd say that's pretty damn good.

[Runnin]

Some of Tiger's putts still amaze the hell out of me.

For about 10 years it seemed like he never missed a putt he needed.

[Tapate50]

PGA Championship is this weekend right?

I read where its moving to April or May next year?

[The Chosen One]

PGA Championship is this weekend right?

I read where its moving to April or May next year?

This weekend yes.

Moving to May in 2019.

[Runnin]

Ernie Johnson, Jr. is a solid anchor and I really like him, but I think they could find an ex-golfer who could keep the the conversation more clued into golf.