GDT 9/13/14 - Braves at Rangers

[bravesnumberone]

Bonifacio - CF
Gosselin - 3B
Freeman - 1B
Justin - LF
Heyward - RF
CB - C
TLS - DH
Simmons - SS
Pena - 2B

[CrimsonCowboy]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 44s
Evan Gattis (strep throat) expected to miss entire weekend series in his hometown of Dallas. May not play until Tues or Wed.

[Ampere]

Did Gattis not go to a doctor, did he have the mother of all strep throat cases, or what? Strep throat shouldn't take this long to recover from if he was given antibiotics on the first day. It usually takes less than 24 hours before the person isn't contagious and less than 48 hours before symptoms disappear. Four days should have been more then enough time.

Again we have low OBP players at the top of the lineup, ugh.

[nsacpi]

Strange to see Pena at second and Gosselin at third. Pena has said he feels more comfortable on the left side of the infield and the vast majority of Gosselin's playing time in the minors was at second. Maybe Pena's arm post-shoulder surgery isn't good enough for third anymore.

[bravesnumberone]

Lol at Fox cutting to Yanks-Orioles.

[thewupk]

Good to see the Rangers defense suck

[Dalyn]

This is a small thread for a no-hitter.

[bravesnumberone]

This is a small thread for a no-hitter.

Unbelievable.

Ban?

:fredi:

[Dalyn]

Unbelievable.

Ban?

:fredi:

:Sad:

[thewupk]

Lol that was embarrassing

[Dalyn]

Mentioning a no-hitter has no bearing on the outcome. Does that really need to be said?

[bravesnumberone]

Calling Justin out. That's a bush league effort.

[bravesnumberone]

Mentioning a no-hitter has no bearing on the outcome. Does that really need to be said?

It got broken up literally right after you mentioned it, lol.

On another note, our team could throw a no-hitter and lose.

[bravesnumberone]

Justin can eat a bag of dicks

[thewupk]

Well this series is a good way to put this season to bed.

[Dalyn]

Texas. As good a place as any to die, I suppose.

[Dalyn]

Teheran lost the no-hitter, then the error happened, and still Roger didn't come out to calm him down? Of course he lost the lead after that. I support Roger, but he should've been out there.

[CyYoung31]

**** this ****ing team.

[NinersSBChamps]

Well it's officially football season. This team has mailed it in. Heck they were more concerned with their fantasy football league when it was still early August.

[NinersSBChamps]

Texas. As good a place as any to die, I suppose.

Even the deaths are bigger there apparently.

[bravesnumberone]

And this is why I can't fully get behind Justin. Because he is atrocious in the field. His fat ass couldn't even run down the double

[Heyward]

Team just aint that good.

Tank for a better pick.

[bravesnumberone]

Teheran lost the no-hitter, then the error happened, and still Roger didn't come out to calm him down? Of course he lost the lead after that. I support Roger, but he should've been out there.

He's crumbling and lying down like the rest of them.

[Dalyn]

And this is why I can't fully get behind Justin. Because he is atrocious in the field. His fat ass couldn't even run down the double

But he is our best player at the plate.

[bravesnumberone]

But he is our best player at the plate.

As if that's saying much. He cost us a game offensively last night swinging at crap in the dirt. He's choked a few times lately. And he's terrible in the field. Wish we could DH him.

[Dalyn]

As if that's saying much. He cost us a game offensively last night swinging at crap in the dirt. He's choked a few times lately. And he's terrible in the field. Wish we could DH him.

It IS saying a lot. He is having a great year. Would be in the running for MVP if we somehow stumbled into the playoffs.

[bravesnumberone]

It IS saying a lot. He is having a great year. Would be in the running for MVP if we somehow stumbled into the playoffs.

His chance to a real MVP and save his team's season is now. He's doing nothing at the moment.

[thewupk]

400 foot and an out. Sucks

[Dalyn]

His chance to a real MVP and save his team's season is now. He's doing nothing at the moment.

I'm not going to continue arguing about it. Just wanted to point out how silly it is to **** on Justin out of all the complete failures on this team. At least he came to Atlanta to play.

[bravesnumberone]

I'm not going to continue arguing about it. Just wanted to point out how silly it is to **** on Justin out of all the complete failures on this team. At least he came to Atlanta to play.

He has single-handedly lost us this game so far. He's a had a great year, but his team needs him the most right now. I'd much rather have him than not, but how some of you get so uptight when he takes any criticism is beyond me.

[bravesnumberone]

Three strikes, you're out.

[thewupk]

Julio going for the complete game loss

[Dalyn]

He has single-handedly lost us this game so far. He's a had a great year, but his team needs him the most right now. I'd much rather have him than not, but how some of you get so uptight when he takes any criticism is beyond me.

No one gets uptight. It's just constant. The Justin hate is ridiculous. He's led the offense every month except one.

[tvsportscaster]

I don't even think it was possible for this team to do this, but I was wrong. This is a new low point for the Atlanta Braves, losing the first two to the team with the worst record in baseball with a AAA lineup.

[bravesnumberone]

No one gets uptight. It's just constant. The Justin hate is ridiculous. He's led the offense every month except one.

Well I want to be clear I've been one of the defenders of him. But I expect great players, which he is, to be great at the biggest moments.

[sturg33]

Well I want to be clear I've been one of the defenders of him.

LOL

[bravesnumberone]

LOL

No criticism allowed. I know.

[goldfly]

Pathetic


Unbelievable.



And no one in the media will call for his firing

What is his record in September with the braves? Seriously

[sturg33]

No criticism allowed. I know.

Dude - you're the biggest Justin hater on the board

[Dalyn]

Pathetic



And no one in the media will call for his firing

What is his record in September with the braves? Seriously

Below .500. That's all that matters.

[bravesnumberone]

Dude - you're the biggest Justin hater on the board

How? I've only criticized his defense of late. Show me where or GTFO with that ****.

[Runnin]

CJ pinch hitting for LaStella.

[bravesnumberone]

Great ****ing swing, Simba. Lost a series to the worst team in baseball.

[sturg33]

How? I've only criticized his defense of late. Show me where or GTFO with that ****.

If I cared enough I'd go dig it up... But go look at some of the old GDTs before Justin went on fire in August. I called you on it several times.

[Dalyn]

What a game. What a season. :Sad:

[VirginiaBrave]

Uncalled for. Simple as that....

[sturg33]

CJ pinch hitting for LaStella.

That was the right call, actually. He gets one thing right a week

[Dalyn]

That was the right call, actually. He gets one thing right a week

No. Stella! can hit lefties. He should've hit CJ for Heyward.

[mossy]

Only fat women should be allowed to sing the Nationals anthem at Turner field for the rest of 2014.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Wow. All I can say.

[sturg33]

If this season doesn't get Fredi fired nothing will

[bravesnumberone]

If I cared enough I'd go dig it up... But go look at some of the old GDTs before Justin went on fire in August. I called you on it several times.

If anything, I criticized him for poor defense like today. Never spread any of that bull**** about how we shouldn't have traded for him like 10-15 people have. That and he has failed repeatedly lately at the plate when we needed him in a close game.

[bravesnumberone]

No. Stella! can hit lefties. He should've hit CJ for Heyward.

Half of the people on this board would explode if he dared pinch hit for Jason.

[goldfly]

Below .500. That's all that matters.

not imo

i want the numbers

and as an american, i would like for someone else to give them to me instead of going through it myself :snort:

[Dalyn]

Half of the people on this board would explode if he dared pinch hit for Jason.

It would be the right move. Heyward can't hit lefties. He's the worst starter on the team against them.

[thethe]

If this season doesn't get Fredi fired nothing will

There are going to be massive changes in the offseason. I expect blockbuster trade and a manager firing.

[Dalyn]

not imo

i want the numbers

and as an american, i would like for someone else to give them to me instead of going through it myself :snort:



:Alone:

[Mrs. Meta]

Those were not a fun two games to attend in person.

[Dalyn]

.175 .255 .234 .488

That's Heyward vs lefties. If not for his defense, he would be ideal for a platoon.

[CrimsonCowboy]

The Braves may get swept against what is basically a AAAA team. I just don't know what to saw about it. Oh to know what Terry McGuirk is thinking right now.

[bravesnumberone]

.175 .255 .234 .488

That's Heyward vs lefties. If not for his defense, he would be ideal for a platoon.

But, the walks....

[Dalyn]

The Braves may get swept against what is basically a AAAA team. I just don't know what to saw about it. Oh to know what Terry McGuirk is thinking right now.

"I hope they let me fire everyone before they fire me."

[mossy]

We better fire the hitting coaches too.

Pendleton for manager!

[bravesnumberone]

McGuirk is not going to do a damn thing.

[CrimsonCowboy]

McGuirk is not going to do a damn thing.

If he's serious about his "everyone is accountable" talks, then someone is taking the fall. There is no excuse for this garbage.

[thethe]

Braves front office is definitely going to go through a massive overhaul. There is too much riding on having a good team going into the new stadium.

[thethe]

I'd trade Heyward for Betts plus prospects if I were Wren.

[bravesnumberone]

If he's serious about his "everyone is accountable" talks, then someone is taking the fall. There is no excuse for this garbage.

If the Braves were serious about things, a lot more things would have been done already. It's all a bunch of talk. We have continued just like this for more than four months. Not one damn thing has been done. Hitting coaches not replaced. No flexibility given to the GM to go out and acquire someone. Same damn stupid approaches at the plate. Same damn idiotic managerial decisions. We are going backward. But it's OK because we're a young team.....

[bravesnumberone]

Braves front office is definitely going to go through a massive overhaul. There is too much riding on having a good team going into the new stadium.

Wake me up when it happens.

[VirginiaBrave]

I could see this coming, but I never thought they would go belly up like this. They had to give BJ another year and Uggla had to go no question but this is mind blowing. 2015 may prove this year to be an abberation but we need more offensively out of Heyward and Simmons. 60-75 RBI out of Heyward is just not enough, Simmons just needs more discipline period. The rotation needs a bonafide stopper. Julio has shown his youth by having meltdowns of late when things go wrong.

[bravesnumberone]

Julio needs to persevere more, but when you have no offense, and the defense fails you, it is extremely difficult to be effective.

I hate this, but I'm glad the collapse is being completed before the final week.

[NinersSBChamps]

Glad you guys finally got on board.

[Gary82]

I don't think I've witnessed a worse team offensively. This is going to be an interesting offseason. I expect massive changes. I know people are saying they won't do a damn thing, but I don't see it that way. They've given Fredi, Walker, and BJ enough opportunities.

[Gary82]

David O'Brien ‏@DOBrienAJC 3m
Before Teheran today, last #Braves pitcher with a complete-game, no-earned-runs loss was Greg Maddux in 1999

[bravesnumberone]

I don't think I've witnessed a worse team offensively. This is going to be an interesting offseason. I expect massive changes. I know people are saying they won't do a damn thing, but I don't see it that way. They've given Fredi, Walker, and BJ enough opportunities.

It will be a massive departure from precedent, at least from the management side of things. We've shown the willingness to cut ties with players in the past, but I'd be very surprised if Fredi and Wren are shown the door.

[VirginiaBrave]

What do you change outside of the obvious? I don't have a problem locking up Freeman and Julio. Getting rid of BJ won't be as difficult as feared but still have to pay him. I also see us parting ways with Gattis as well. They probably bring Johnson back even though they shouldn't. Heyward is most interesting, I think he is dead set on playing in front of his granddad in NYC no matter what we do.

[NinersSBChamps]

Wren is the genius who constructed this team. Anyone who thinks he isn't to blame at least partially is kidding themselves.

[bravesnumberone]

Everyone shares in the blame. BJ and Uggla are Wren's screwups. Other than that, what's he done wrong? You can say he constructed this, but Gattis, Freddie, TLS, Simmons and Heyward are all home grown players. CJ damn near won a batting title last year and was part of a great trade. Our pitching is fine.

In order, it's
1. Players.
2. Managers/certain coaches.
3. GM

[goldfly]

Pendleton for manager!

holy ****

NO!! PLEASE NO!

[NinersSBChamps]

Everyone shares in the blame. BJ and Uggla are Wren's screwups. Other than that, what's he done wrong? You can say he constructed this, but Gattis, Freddie, TLS, Simmons and Heyward are all home grown players. CJ damn near won a batting title last year and was part of a great trade. Our pitching is fine.

In order, it's
1. Players.
2. Managers/certain coaches.
3. GM

Wren seems to miss a lot more on his big signings than he hits on. Internal talent the team has always done a good job with. I can't blame this all on Wren, but he has to go. The team hit it's ceiling last season with a first round playoff exit.

[VirginiaBrave]

The pitching is not fine. We have lost a lot of low scoring games but we have lost several leads as well, we had a stretch of about two weeks where we lost a handful of games late after having leads Santana had a month of suck, Harang had a month of suck, Minor 2 and a half. That great start really skewed the stats.

[bravesnumberone]

Wren seems to miss a lot more on his big signings than he hits on. Internal talent the team has always done a good job with. I can't blame this all on Wren, but he has to go. The team hit it's ceiling last season with a first round playoff exit.

I'm gonna say give him one more year with the understanding that he needs to make some smart, big-time moves in the offseason.

But I don't really see what a different GM does at this point.

[bravesnumberone]

The pitching is not fine. We have lost a lot of low scoring games but we have lost several leads as well, we had a stretch of about two weeks where we lost a handful of games late after having leads Santana had a month of suck, Harang had a month of suck, Minor 2 and a half. That great start really skewed the stats.

I don't see how much better Teheran and Wood could be at this point. Minor had a bad half and has been better lately. I'm not 100 percent sold on him because I think he needs to grow up mentally, but give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't really know what else people realistically expected out of Santana. He's been about what I thought he'd be. Harang has been a bit better than I thought he would. I don't expect either of them will be back. Hopefully we acquire a good starter and the other spot is left to young arms/Medlen/Beachy. Bullpen has suffered from not having EOF and Avilan/Carpenter struggling. And Walden can't keep the freaking ball out of the dirt sometimes, which leads to Gattis screwing up back there.

[NinersSBChamps]

I'm gonna say give him one more year with the understanding that he needs to make some smart, big-time moves in the offseason.

But I don't really see what a different GM does at this point.

Yeah I mean I wouldn't even know where to start as to finding a new GM. While I would like to see him replaced, I understand if they don't.

[VirginiaBrave]

I agree on JT and Wood, and Minor has figured things out but it's a little late. Where Washington beat us was when they pulled the trigger and got Fister. That gave them a solid four we could not match long term. We need a frontline starter in Santana's place and hope Meds can take Harang's spot.

[Dalyn]

I agree on JT and Wood, and Minor has figured things out but it's a little late. Where Washington beat us was when they pulled the trigger and got Fister. That gave them a solid four we could not match long term. We need a frontline starter in Santana's place and hope Meds can take Harang's spot.

Wow. I agree with all of that. :Gasp:

[57Brave]

Gavin Floyd

?

[VirginiaBrave]

I would like to see a bigger name, but yeah I'd say Floyd's name is on the radar. For that matter, I would say so is Santana's, but at our price.

[mossy]

holy ****

NO!! PLEASE NO!

Congratulations, you have an opinion.

[skillet]

It really is sad that we are playing the worst team in baseball with so much riding on these games, and seem completely lifeless. :facepalm:

[goldfly]

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n579/goldfly66/F06D0D40-9C69-4188-97D7-665B0C15FF29_zps2eibesjn.jpg

[50PoundHead]

I agree on JT and Wood, and Minor has figured things out but it's a little late. Where Washington beat us was when they pulled the trigger and got Fister. That gave them a solid four we could not match long term. We need a frontline starter in Santana's place and hope Meds can take Harang's spot.

I think the only way Medlen contributes is if Benny Hinn is sitting next to him in the dugout. I think Harang has really stepped up, but I don't think he'll be back and he probably shouldn't be.