GDT 7/23/13: Braves (Medlen) @ Mets (Torres) 7:10 PM

[NYCBrave]

Braves:


1. Andrelton Simmons (R) SS
2. Jason Heyward (L) CF
3. Justin Upton (R) RF
4. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
5. Brian McCann (L) C
6. Evan Gattis (R) LF
7. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
8. Chris Johnson (R) 3B
9. Kris Medlen (S) P

Mets:


1. Eric Young (S) LF
2. Daniel Murphy (L) 2B
3. David Wright (R) 3B
4. Marlon Byrd (R) RF
5. Ike Davis (L) 1B
6. John Buck (R) C
7. Juan Lagares (R) CF
8. Omar Quintanilla (L) SS
9. Carlos Torres (R) P

[zitothebrave]

Our worst hitter is batting 1 and one of our best is batting 8? WTF?

Should be

Jason
Johnson
Justin
Freddie
MAc
Gattis
Uggla
Simmons

Horrible lineup Fredi (now watch us score 20 runs)

[jpx7]

If Simmons is forced to hit leadoff enough, eventually he will just learn to be a good hitter.

It's just like how if you beat someone with a protractor enough times, they'll become awesome at geometry.

[NYCBrave]

Just out of curiosity, how many people would be on board with Uggla as the lead off man instead of Simmons? I know neither is an ideal candidate, but how long can we keep trotting out someone with a .280 OBP at the top of the lineup? Plus, even though he's only hitting .195, Uggla has an OBP of .320 or so. He also wouldn't be counted on in RBI situations as much since he always fails at those, and also situational hitting situations since he can't seem to ever cut down on his swing.

[Dalyn]

Braves:


1. Andrelton Simmons (R) SS
P

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/article-1352226333973-15c0c432000005dc-5116_466x482.jpg

[Dalyn]

Just out of curiosity, how many people would be on board with Uggla as the lead off man instead of Simmons? I know neither is an ideal candidate, but how long can we keep trotting out someone with a .280 OBP at the top of the lineup? Plus, even though he's only hitting .195, Uggla has an OBP of .320 or so. He also wouldn't be counted on in RBI situations as much since he always fails at those, and also situational hitting situations since he can't seem to ever cut down on his swing.

Fine with that. Any non-pitcher in the starting lineup is a better option.

[Dunit24]

Id go with something crazy like this..

Uggla
Johnson
Upton
Freeman
McCann
Gattis
Heyward
Simmons

It wont ever happen, but Uggla walks alot, CJ leads our team in average, and Heyward drops down in a spot where he will get PLENTY of RBI chances like Uggla fails at now. Shoot. Why not? We aint scoring a lot of runs anyway.

[Enscheff]

Just out of curiosity, how many people would be on board with Uggla as the lead off man instead of Simmons? I know neither is an ideal candidate, but how long can we keep trotting out someone with a .280 OBP at the top of the lineup? Plus, even though he's only hitting .195, Uggla has an OBP of .320 or so. He also wouldn't be counted on in RBI situations as much since he always fails at those, and also situational hitting situations since he can't seem to ever cut down on his swing.

Uggla wouldn't be ideal, but literally ANYONE on the roster is a better option than Simmons. I imagine if Uggla could get his BA up into the .230s he might very well find himself in the leadoff role. As it currently stands, just sticking Simmons at 8 and moving everyone up one spot would be just fine.

Maybe now that Heyward is a "speedy CFer" Fredi might consider batting him leadoff?

[stpeteirish]

If Simmons is forced to hit leadoff enough, eventually he will just learn to be a good hitter.

It's just like how if you beat someone with a protractor enough times, they'll become awesome at geometry.

have to admit Simmons had some good AB's last night, even hit a few balls to the right side.

[NinersSBChamps]

It's such a dead horse subject though, it's not worth it getting bent out of shape. Fredi is stuck in his ways with the lineup and it's not going to change much. If it all.

[stpeteirish]

nobody should have expected Fredi to change the lineup after winning last night, that's his M.O. Might tweak it if its a LHP or a day game after a night game but if no one's hurt Fredi won't change much. Neither would I; look at our bench, its not exactly a wealth of underused talent right now.

Flipping CJ and Simmons might work, but don't you think CJ's success is at least partially due to the lower expectations of the 8 hole?

[parkvadawg]

Just out of curiosity, how many people would be on board with Uggla as the lead off man instead of Simmons? I know neither is an ideal candidate, but how long can we keep trotting out someone with a .280 OBP at the top of the lineup? Plus, even though he's only hitting .195, Uggla has an OBP of .320 or so. He also wouldn't be counted on in RBI situations as much since he always fails at those, and also situational hitting situations since he can't seem to ever cut down on his swing.

I would

[Dalyn]

nobody should have expected Fredi to change the lineup after winning last night, that's his M.O. Might tweak it if its a LHP or a day game after a night game but if no one's hurt Fredi won't change much. Neither would I; look at our bench, its not exactly a wealth of underused talent right now.

Flipping CJ and Simmons might work, but don't you think CJ's success is at least partially due to the lower expectations of the 8 hole?

Most want to put Simmons 8th and just move everyone up a spot (making Chris 7th). If his success is because of batting 8th ('lower expectations'), couldn't you say that Simmons' failure is because of batting 1st ('higher expectations')? Either way, Simmons should be batting 7th, 8th, or 9th.

[Dalyn]

"I think I have a fever."

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4546193925735667&pid=15.1

[Dalyn]

"Can't wait to coach third again. Thank you so much for the opportunity."

http://matchbin-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/public/sites/624/assets/B2UA_Braves_manager.jpg

"We brought you on to manage the team, Fredi."

http://ts3.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.4910162308957302&pid=15.1

[Julio3000]

"I think I have a fever."

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4546193925735667&pid=15.1

A lot of people say that at their first Chip Caray postgame party, Fredi.

[Braves1976]

I know Wood is coming up Thursday to replace Maholm. But why haven't we called anyone up for the bench till then? I mean we just sent Pastornicky down but we could've brought him back by going ahead and placing Maholm on DL. If not him Mejia is on the 40-man roster so we could call him up for a few games (give us an extra right handed pinch hitter with pop).

It may not mean much but every extra player helps should a game go extra innings. I just don't see why we don't do it since Maholm is DL bound anyway. We are basically going with a 24-man roster for a few days.

[BlackwaterPark]

So I have a feeling we will get 4 hit tonight

[Dalyn]

So I have a feeling we will get 4 hit tonight

And Chris will have half of them.

[Bdawg2309]

would you rather

-have constanza in center and leading off
-gattis in CF and simmons leading off

[BlackwaterPark]

Thats a clown question bro..


would you rather

-have constanza in center and leading off
-gattis in CF and simmons leading off

[Bdawg2309]

this is torres' 3rd start since 2009

[BlackwaterPark]

Andy haters! lol

[TURBO]

Andy said fawk all of us

[bravesnumberone]

Lol son of a *****, I guess Simmons aspires to be Brady Anderson, minus roids..

[Bdawg2309]

this will only encourage him to keep hacking, which if he can get better at not popping out, will be great

[Five]

Just like Rickey Henderson, true leadoff hitter, great job Fredi:cooter:

[Braves1976]

Good start, Simmons got all of that one. Let's have a big first boys!

[parkvadawg]

Lol at Simba telling me to shut the hell up. Good Jason

[Bdawg2309]

who's ponchoman on scout?

[Dalyn]

:Alone:

[BlackwaterPark]

I have a feeling Freddie is going to be average the rest of the year due to his finger again

[bravesnumberone]

Should have held him there.

[Dalyn]

Heyward looked really slow there. :Gasp:

[BlackwaterPark]

Looked in slow mo...he didnt want to score i guess

[Ampere]

That ball was hit way to hard to send Heyward on. Outfielder had it in shallow center when Heyward was hitting third base.

[Braves1976]

Man, I cannot believe Jason didn't score there. We got one but we could've had a big inning. Justin isn't running well, otherwise he beats that slow roller to short out.

[Julio3000]

Should have held him there.

^^

3B coach fail.

[Braves1976]

That ball was hit way to hard to send Heyward on. Outfielder had it in shallow center when Heyward was hitting third base.

Maybe so, but with two outs and the way Heyward runs the bases you expect him to score. So not surprised he sent him.

[Bdawg2309]

oh snitker.......

[jgriff3029]

Heyward looked really slow there. :Gasp:

Jason must not love scoring.

[Julio3000]

Nice rip by Gattis there.

[stpeteirish]

ball was hit too hard, easy play for Mets CF. If hitting the ball too hard will continue we won't be too worried about not getting that run.

[parkvadawg]

Pile on bravos need a beat down after last night

[parkvadawg]

Lol don't even think he blinked

[Dalyn]

Plunk.

[Bdawg2309]

BABIP

[Dalyn]

Cost us a run. Such a stupid rule.

[parkvadawg]

Bapin an bipin

[Braves1976]

Man, if that ball doesn't bounce over Uggla scores.

[Bdawg2309]

pirates up 3-0

[AJonesATL]

I thought it was fine sending Jason. 2 outs and when does Heyward ever get thrown out? I normally expect him to make it. You try to steal the run and not rely on a 195 hitter to get a 2 out hit in my opinion.

[Dalyn]

Man, if that ball doesn't bounce over Uggla scores.

And we would have Chris at third with one out.

[Braves1976]

We need Simmons to at least get a run home here.

[Dalyn]

Who didn't see that swing coming? :mad0182:

[TURBO]

A pop up lol

[parkvadawg]

Cmon Jason

[Braves1976]

Braves are going to strand them, they have been doing that a ton lately. It's part of why they lost Sunday too.

[Dalyn]

:Sad:

[parkvadawg]

Crap 3...2...1....

[AJonesATL]

What a frustrating game. Feels like we should have multiple runs.

[zitothebrave]

I wonder if Heyward leads baseball in lineouts.

[jsebe10]

"I wanna hit a homer!!!"

Piss poor AB...selfish man...very freakn selfish



Who didn't see that swing coming? :mad0182:

[AerchAngel]

At least it is an encouraging swing from J-Hey.

[stpeteirish]

they said we're over .300 with RISP in July. Seems hard to believe.

[Ampere]

When Heyward is thrown out even with a bad throw (and he doesn't trip, or whatever) that's on the coach. Again, Heyward was still at third base when the center fielder had the ball in shallow center. It would have taken a horrible throw to not get him. It was a poor decision.

[Dalyn]

At least it is an encouraging swing from J-Hey.

Definitely.

[jpx7]

Braves are going to strand them, they have been doing that a ton lately. It's part of why they lost Sunday too.

I was at that game; it was infuriating -- especially considering how many lucky bloops and bounces the White Sox received. Quintana was really struggling, but the Braves couldn't muster anything after putting men on base, and the Sox defense bailed him out every damn time.

[stpeteirish]

What a frustrating game. Feels like we should have multiple runs.

But we're crushing the ball vs a journeyman pitcher. Think there's more runs coming. (said the same thing on Sunday)

[Dalyn]

Nice of him.

[Bdawg2309]

they said we're over .300 with RISP in July. Seems hard to believe.

guessing most of those hits have not driven in runs

the problem this month has been pitching... an avg with RISP like that, there should be way more wins.

[bravesnumberone]

Add on please.

[Bdawg2309]

braves need some good luck..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP5XHzhCUAAyhzW.jpg

[bravesnumberone]

Can you not catch up to anything anymore, Justin?

[Braves1976]

Justin hasn't looked good lately, not running well either. Freeman has had some hits but swing looks inconsistent (thumb effecting him at times it seems).

[BlackwaterPark]

I want Justin to go on the 15 day DL when BJ gets back

[bravesnumberone]

Good job McCann. Hope Freeman isn't trying to play hurt.

[BlackwaterPark]

Why you do that! You made it wiggle


braves need some good luck..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP5XHzhCUAAyhzW.jpg

[Braves1976]

Hopefully Gattis can get another two out hit. But if like before we better not send Mac. We need an extra base hit here with Uggla on deck.

[bravesnumberone]

Ugh.

[parkvadawg]

Meh

[Braves1976]

Braves stranding too many runners again, not good. Medlen better stay sharp and pitch a gem tonight.

[jsebe10]

Gattis can't help himself....its like trying to quit smoking. Those high 1s are like vagina to him.

[bravesnumberone]

^story of the season

[stpeteirish]

Imagine how good Gattis would be if he could not swing at everything.

[parkvadawg]

Imagine how good Gattis would be if he could not swing at everything.

Question is if he gets better or refuses to adjust.

[Dalyn]

Imagine how good Gattis would be if he could not swing at everything.

If he couldn't swing at everything, he would be abysmal.

[Braves1976]

Bad 1-2 pitch, bad start.

[drewdat]

Not sure if 1 run is going to stand up tonight.

[thewupk]

Sluggish start to the second half but that catch by Jason last night was oh-so-amazing. Hopefully it gets the boys going. Nats are falling hard right now and the Phillies are too old to go on a run imo. If we can get over this .500 ball crap we've been playing for awhile we'll be able to rest by Sept.

[zitothebrave]

Womp womp

[Dalyn]

Weiss makes that play.

[parkvadawg]

Hold them here Meds we will get more runs

[Braves1976]

That was a terrible pitch.

[chopdrew]

You guys give up way too easy. It's early yet.

[stpeteirish]

Medlen unlucky in that inning. RBI single is a routine groundout if the infield isn't in.

[drewdat]

You guys give up way too easy. It's early yet.

Kind of like the offense gives up with men on base.

Kidding, mostly.

[Dalyn]

Uggla always hustles.

[parkvadawg]

Great job Dan

[AerchAngel]

Justin needs Owls hustle.

[Bdawg2309]

popup?

[emk418]

Uggla may be a terrible all around baseball player but at least he always plays hard. That's all you can ask.

[drewdat]

Uggla may be a terrible all around baseball player but at least he always plays hard. That's all you can ask.

I do wish he'd cratered a year or two earlier.

[chopdrew]

Uggla may be a terrible all around baseball player but at least he always plays hard. That's all you can ask.

Wow. Most clueless post ive seen in this game thread. The team leader in HR is a terrible all around baseball player...

Another "Fan" who's opinion i can put into the "no" pile...

[bravesnumberone]

Just a long strike.

[parkvadawg]

Crap

[parkvadawg]

Nice. Cmon Jason

[Braves1976]

Simmons with a great AB there, he also just missed a big hit down the line. We need Heyward to come up big here.

[emk418]

Wow. Most clueless post ive seen in this game thread. The team leader in HR is a terrible all around baseball player...

Another "Fan" who's opinion i can put into the "no" pile...

Hahaha great post.

[chopdrew]

Hahaha great post.
You're the wrong one. Not sure why you're laughing.

[bravesnumberone]

And ONCE AGAIN we fail.

[jsebe10]

Piss it away boys...

[chopdrew]

Dang. Wanted that one. Thats ok. Keep at it. Gonna get into that sorry bullpen soon. Getting WAY deeper into counts tonight. Seeing good things. Just gotta finish.

[parkvadawg]

Worked last night so I'm doing it again. We win this game.

[emk418]

You're the wrong one. Not sure why you're laughing.

Oh ok. Sorry.

[Braves1976]

Heyward had a hanger to hit out of the park, but pulls it foul. Then strikes out chasing a pitch no where near. We cannot keep stranding all these runners and expect to win. I hope we still win but we're surely making it harder on ourselves.

This pitcher we're facing isn't pitching well. He's just being let off the hook.

[Heyward]

Same story as Sunday.

Tons of baserunners cant cash in.

[drewdat]

Heyward had a hanger to hit out of the park, but pulls it foul. Then strikes out chasing a pitch no where near. We cannot keep stranding all these runners and expect to win. I hope we still win but we're surely making it harder on ourselves.

This pitcher we're facing isn't pitching well. He's just being let off the hook.

Are you proposing that he is who we thought he was?

[stpeteirish]

Heyward and Gattis nwith the same M.O. Crush one foul that was easy to hit and then strike out on a pitch that is impossible to hit.

[Bdawg2309]

too many LOBsters today

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6EuahRwhzug/Ta31-n_3b1I/AAAAAAAAAhM/MEe2jXYHSwE/s640/nfld4.jpg

[Braves1976]

Are you proposing that he is who we thought he was?

Who? Heyward? Also, who's this "we" and what is their view of Heyward? Personally, I like Heyward and expect him to be a little rusty coming off an injury. This is only his second game back of course.

[drewdat]

Who? Heyward? Also, who's this "we" and what is their view of Heyward? Personally, I like Heyward and expect him to be a little rusty coming off an injury. This is only his second game back of course.

Carlos Torres is who we thought he was, and we let him off the hook! If you want to crown his ass, then crown it. *bumps mic, walks off*

[chopdrew]

Who? Heyward? Also, who's this "we" and what is their view of Heyward? Personally, I like Heyward and expect him to be a little rusty coming off an injury. This is only his second game back of course.
I agree. I think it's pretty ridiculous how hard a lot of people are on heyward. It couldnt possibly be because he made "the natural" obsolete, could it?

[BlackwaterPark]

this is the worst team I have seen that will win 90+ games lol

[parkvadawg]

this is the worst team I have seen that will win 90+ games lol

Maybe they aren't a bad team. Just a thought

[Bdawg2309]

i hate these extra long innings

[Braves1976]

Carlos Torres is who we thought he was, and we let him off the hook! If you want to crown his ass, then crown it. *bumps mic, walks off*

I thought I made it clear that he wasn't pitching well. To sum it up, I meant simply what I stated in my post (nothing more or less).

[chopdrew]

Maybe they aren't a bad team. Just a thought

No, see, they dont play like the game is SUPPOSED to be played, therefore they're a bad team...:roll:

[Jay212033]

this is the worst team I have seen that will win 90+ games lol

Smh wow! Some so-called Braves fans are just the worst!

[parkvadawg]

I thought I made it clear that he wasn't pitching well. To sum it up, I meant simply what I stated in my post (nothing more or less).

Looks like we are both now in spring training braves1976, I'm taking your roster spot. Deal with it.

[drewdat]

I thought I made it clear that he wasn't pitching well. To sum it up, I meant simply what I stated in my post (nothing more or less).

Haha, sorry. It was just a Dennis Green press conference quote.

[Braves1976]

Haha, sorry. It was just a Dennis Green press conference quote.

No problem.

[chopdrew]

This is a pretty tame game thread. Hope people arent begging PD for forgiveness...
:panic:

[jsebe10]

Bunt the damn ball McCann

[emk418]

Freeman is due for one of his crazy hot streaks.

[weso1]

This game thus far and yesterday's game as well paint a picture of this season as a whole. You just want to pull your hair out, but in the end you look at where you are and you see you're in a good position.

[stpeteirish]

he's throwing lollypops. We hit him better early, the reverse of the usual

[Braves1976]

This is a pretty tame game thread. Hope people arent begging PD for forgiveness...
:panic:

I think his new alias is Jerry Starke. :happy0157:

[chopdrew]

I think his new alias is Jerry Starke. :happy0157:
Is he here? Are we gonna interrogate him?

[drewdat]

Mets tempting fate leaving Torres in?

Who am I kidding, 1-2-3 inning incoming.

[Braves1976]

This game thus far and yesterday's game as well paint a picture of this season as a whole. You just want to pull your hair out, but in the end you look at where you are and you see you're in a good position.

I think part of it is that since our 12-1 start we've been pretty much a .500 team (a game or two over).

[zitothebrave]

9 men on and a homer and we have only 1 run to show? LolBraves

[The Chosen One]

If this is how Medlen pitches when he's mediocre, I can't wait to see how he pitches when he's above average.

[Julio3000]

Kris Krip-walks through 5 in decidedly above-average fashion.

[Julio3000]

If this is how Medlen pitches when he's mediocre, I can't wait to see how he pitches when he's above average.

Mediocre minds think alike.

[Frek21]

If this is how Medlen pitches when he's mediocre, I can't wait to see how he pitches when he's above average.

People's expectations are skewed by last year.

[AJonesATL]

Honestly I can't complain about the offense today. Lots of bad luck on foul balls and hard hit outs.

[parkvadawg]

Hr time

[Bdawg2309]

But...but, I thought everything was solved yesterday???

[parkvadawg]

Will take it

[zitothebrave]

Don't look now but Uggla is approaching .200

WOOOOOOP WOOOOOOOOP WOOOOOOOOOP

[The Chosen One]

I'd rather Uggla K with nobody on base, and get seeing eyed singles with runners on.

[Tino25Dynasty]

Yo what was the answer to tonight's trivia question?

[Julio3000]

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff511/poinsett/bdf0d05b-fd06-484a-baf9-dfa104651065_zps9a108833.jpg

[nsacpi]

Gnats rooting for us tonight. They're only 3 up on the Mets. Feeling the heat.

[bravesnumberone]

Will we ever stop swinging at pitches in the dirt?

[parkvadawg]

But...but, I thought everything was solved yesterday???

It was. We may never lose again.

[Braves1976]

Chris chased ball four, now it will take a two out hit from Medlen.

[Freshmaker]

Uggs with a stolen base got get into scoring position. Up to you now Meds!

[jsebe10]

Good AB CJ....lord knows we can't have you taking a walk...that would be a travesty

[emk418]

People's expectations are skewed by last year.

Exactly. Medlen has been solid and anyone who expected him to repeat his success from last year was being unreasonable. I still think it's a complete waste of his value if we move him to the pen. If the Braves are dead set on removing him from the rotation and adding Wood and/or Beachy (which I'm fine with) I would much rather trade Medlen for prospects and pick up a guy like Crain.

[drewdat]

Uggla really had zero steals?

[jpack1]

If you ever question is Fredi a good manager just remember decisions like letting Medlen hit there.

[tvsportscaster]

This offense is a real embarrassment right now.

[Tino25Dynasty]

Yo what was the answer to tonight's trivia question?

Anyone? Just wanted to see if I was correct on my guess

[zitothebrave]

Anyone? Just wanted to see if I was correct on my guess

What's the question.

[bravesnumberone]

The offense is what will prohibit this team from going on any kind of tear.

[parkvadawg]

Gnats rooting for us tonight. They're only 3 up on the Mets. Feeling the heat.

Lol I still get way to much enjoyment out of them stinking

[Bdawg2309]

If you ever question is Fredi a good manager just remember decisions like letting Medlen hit there.

In the 6th inning with 70 pitches?? Hahahaha

[emk418]

If you ever question is Fredi a good manager just remember decisions like letting Medlen hit there.

I personally don't like Fredi as a manager but you don't pull Medlen that early in a 1-1 game. He made the right call.

[Braves1976]

This is where I expect Kris to lose it, if he does.

[The Chosen One]

Fredi's #1 lineup achilles heel has scored the only run today. lol

He has nothing to do with the fact the rest of our lineup is embarrassing.

[emk418]

The offense is what will prohibit this team from going on any kind of tear.

That's why I wish we would look for an upgrade. A Marco Scutaro type is exactly what we need.

[Tino25Dynasty]

What's the question.

The question was who was the last Met to lead the MAJORS in K's.... My guess was David Cone.

[Braves1976]

Yep, Kris fastball doesn't look good. He's not locating well and behind the count too much.

[bravesnumberone]

Medlen isn't even close.

[drewdat]

Offense should be able to pick us up.

[parkvadawg]

The offense is what will prohibit this team from going on any kind of tear.

you should know that I guaranteed a victory tonight. That should make you feel better

[Dalyn]

Wow.

[TURBO]

Stone hands with a nice play.

[The Chosen One]

BABIP boy!

[Frek21]

Chris's best play ever?

[chopdrew]

The question was who was the last Met to lead the MAJORS in K's.... My guess was David Cone.
Doc Gooden? Seems too obvious. Frank Viola? Too crappy. Seaver? Seems too long ago...

[zitothebrave]

The question was who was the last Met to lead the MAJORS in K's.... My guess was David Cone.

Cone is the right answer.

[Tino25Dynasty]

Doc Gooden? Seems too obvious. Frank Viola? Too crappy. Seaver? Seems too long ago...

Was nobody in here seriously watching the telecast when they revealed the answer? I was away from the TV for a sec and missed it, that's why I'm asking. LOL

[Dalyn]

What a terrible pitch.

[TURBO]

Kris really struggles when gets 2 strikes on hitters.

[bravesnumberone]

Medlen has made way too many ****ty 1-2, 0-2 pitches this year.

[The Chosen One]

Kris tsk tsk. How do you let Ike Davis do that to you.

[weso1]

Just a terrible 2 strike pitch. Braves need to load up the bases here.

[Grayson Dawg]

horrible pitch by Medlen....wish Braves hitters could hit hangers like that.

[Braves1976]

Terrible pitch again in a bad spot. This why I want Medlen to be replaced by Beachy when he's ready.

[Dalyn]

Kris really struggles when gets 2 strikes on hitters.

Without looking at the stats, it seems like a problem with the whole staff.

[stpeteirish]

hate to interrupt the Medlen pity party but you can't let Ike Davis beat you, he's hitting .185

[Frek21]

Why go to your worst pitch when you are in a tough situation?

[bravesnumberone]

He should have been taken out after the Davis double. Good shot Fredi.

[weso1]

Why pitch to him there? I don't get. Seems like loading up the bases is the right move there with the bottom of the order coming up.

[The Chosen One]

Roger didn't go out there and calm him down all inning. His confidence must be shot right now.

[CyYoung31]

Medlen is middlin'.

[Braves1976]

Way to keep him in there Fredi! Medlen will likely finally lose to Mets tonight. Fredi should've pulled him a batter earlier at least.

[emk418]

Why the hell do you not intentionally walk Buck to set up the DP? Is that too complicated for Fredi to think about?

[jsebe10]

To the own you go Cwis....

[stpeteirish]

If this is how Medlen pitches when he's mediocre, I can't wait to see how he pitches when he's above average.

still watching?

[drewdat]

Looks like a solid time to cut and run.

[stpeteirish]

Without looking at the stats, it seems like a problem with the whole staff.

you're right, we have the worst OBA with 0-2 counts, they said that on the broadcast last night

[AerchAngel]

game ova, the hitting funk will continue.......................

[bravebonebook]

I might just give my left arm to get back the 2012 Medlen rather than this pitiful clone they keep trotting out in 2013. Better get the bullpen seats ready...

[jsebe10]

In his defense, its got to be frustrating pitching with this offense getting your back. They haven't done sh*t for Kris all season...

[AerchAngel]

Why the hell do you not intentionally walk Buck to set up the DP? Is that too complicated for Fredi to think about?

ummmmmmm

look at our manager, maybe?

[The Chosen One]

still watching?

That's pretty harsh on the kid.

He had what, like 60 pitches through 5 innings?

He had a bad inning. We aren't going to win any games anyways if we can't score more than 1-2 runs a game.

[Dalyn]

Why the hell do you not intentionally walk Buck to set up the DP? Is that too complicated for Fredi to think about?

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4795138811561427&pid=15.1

[bravesnumberone]

Weak throw.

[jsebe10]

Fckn noodle ass arm...lol

[stpeteirish]

Why the hell do you not intentionally walk Buck to set up the DP? Is that too complicated for Fredi to think about?

Because John Buck is an easy out? Mgr mistake IMO not pulling Medlen sooner.

[Braves1976]

That should do it.

[parkvadawg]

Because John Buck is an easy out? Mgr mistake IMO not pulling Medlen sooner.

Definitely pitch to Buck also

[Grayson Dawg]

Lets not forget that Medlen always seems to pitch with zero run support. Actually most Braves starters pitch without much support. This offense is so lame and Fredi does nothing to attempt to improve. Sticks with his regulars come hell or high water.

[Dalyn]

I demand runs.

[The Chosen One]

Lets not forget that Medlen always seems to pitch with zero run support. Actually most Braves starters pitch without much support. This offense is so lame and Fredi does nothing to attempt to improve. Sticks with his regulars come hell or high water.

Fredi did learn the art of stubbornness and loyalty from Bobby.

And it worked out for Bobby on several occasion.

I seem to remember Fredi moving Chipper around the batting order plenty last year.

[zitothebrave]

I feel for Medlen, tonight was one of those nights, he didn't make many mistakes but he was beaten by BABIP. Shame for him as well. But this is the reverse games (FIP much lower than ERA) that can happen when you outperform your FIP by the margin Medlen was.

[The Chosen One]

Lets not forget that Medlen always seems to pitch with zero run support. Actually most Braves starters pitch without much support. This offense is so lame and Fredi does nothing to attempt to improve. Sticks with his regulars come hell or high water.

Agreed.

If he was spotted a few runs, he probably pitches differently.

[jsebe10]

Not going to change now. Simmons hit a leadoff HR. He's bought himself another 6 weeks in the leadoff spot



Lets not forget that Medlen always seems to pitch with zero run support. Actually most Braves starters pitch without much support. This offense is so lame and Fredi does nothing to attempt to improve. Sticks with his regulars come hell or high water.

[parkvadawg]

I demand runs.

Didn't you demand for them not to score runs in the 9th last night? You may be doing it wrong

[stpeteirish]

That's pretty harsh on the kid.

He had what, like 60 pitches through 5 innings?

He had a bad inning. We aren't going to win any games anyways if we can't score more than 1-2 runs a game.

If you can't get Ike Davis out in that situation it really doesn't matter how many pitches you threw or how much run support you did or didn't get. Medlen can't put people away when it counts, and until he does, he will keep losing.

[weso1]

I demand runs.

Be careful what you ask for. You might get something you don't want.

[jsebe10]

I feel for Medlen, tonight was one of those nights, he didn't make many mistakes but he was beaten by BABIP. Shame for him as well. But this is the reverse games (FIP much lower than ERA) that can happen when you outperform your FIP by the margin Medlen was.

Ummm...English please

[Grayson Dawg]

I would think benching some of these guys for an extended period of time could generate additional focus.

Fredi did learn the art of stubbornness and loyalty from Bobby.

And it worked out for Bobby on several occasion.

I seem to remember Fredi moving Chipper around the batting order plenty last year.

[jsebe10]

Good job leadoff man. Way to set the tone for the 7th...

[parkvadawg]

I would think benching some of these guys for an extended period of time could generate additional focus.

Who would you bench and who would you replace them with? I'm curious

[jsebe10]

Time for buzz kill Justin to spoil the walk.

[NYCBrave]

If you can't get Ike Davis out in that situation it really doesn't matter how many pitches you threw or how much run support you did or didn't get. Medlen can't put people away when it counts, and until he does, he will keep losing.

I have to agree with this. His stuff just isn't as crisp as it was last year, and the pinpoint location isn't there either. His K rate is down and his BB rate is up, a pitcher trending in the wrong direction.

[The Chosen One]

If we lose this game 4-1, it's still going to be Medlen's fault.

Some will say "it's hard to ask your offense for runs when you're down 4-1".

Same can be said for Medlen. Hard to ask him to go pitch relaxed (like he did last year) when he gets only 1 run per game of support.

He pitched very good this game minus that bottom of the 6th. Whereas our offense has sucked in almost every inning of this series.

[bravesnumberone]

Great job No. 3 hitter.

[jsebe10]

Good job Justin...

[emk418]

Who would you bench and who would you replace them with? I'm curious

Fredi has few options now but at least shake up the order a little. He literally has tried nothing. Put Heyward 1, CJ 2, Freeman 3, and Simmons 8.

[Braves1976]

Justin might need a night off to rest his injury.

[NYCBrave]

I know we're in first place by a good margin, but with so many hitters underperforming, doesn't someone have to take the fall for this? I'd love to see this team reach their full potential. Obviously something is holding them back.

[jsebe10]

Oh god. a reliever with an ERA over 4...know what that means....SHUTDOWN!!

[The Chosen One]

I know we're in first place by a good margin, but with so many hitters underperforming, doesn't someone have to take the fall for this? I'd love to see this team reach their full potential. Obviously something is holding them back.

We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

The only thing holding back our hitters is our hitters.

[bravesnumberone]

Wow that ball was crushed....

DOA

[CyYoung31]

I'm actually starting to miss the Peach Clobbers nickname.

[parkvadawg]

Fredi has few options now but at least shake up the order a little. He literally has tried nothing. Put Heyward 1, CJ 2, Freeman 3, and Simmons 8.

We agree on this

[The Chosen One]

It's like when the heart of our lineup comes to bat with runners on, it feels no different than if the bottom 3 are coming up.

[bravesnumberone]

We're in first place because everyone else in our division sucks mightily.

[Braves1976]

We could have more games like this ahead since both Justin and Freeman are playing hurt. I believe it's effecting both of them, though Freeman has still had some hits in recent games. Still, I don't see the consistency in his swing I did before his injury.

[Grayson Dawg]

Pastornicky for Uggla and Schafer/Gattis for BJ (when healthy). Might not improve the offense, but send message to guys who have been killing this team with lack of production. Needs to do something....maybe fire Walker. I don't know, but it is obvious what they are doing is not working.

Who would you bench and who would you replace them with? I'm curious

[NYCBrave]

Don't worry guys, the Nats and Phils are both losing again lol

[bravebonebook]

4 decent innings pitched, right? Failed badly in the 6th, right? 2 good pitches with (before this year) good control, right? Sounds like a "potential" bullpen candidate to me. Better he cleans up other people's messes than create his own. IF Wood and Beachy are ready, I just think Medlen could work in the bullpen and not have to worry about how the offense hits, just do his job and pitch to get outs!!!

[Grayson Dawg]

Well said
We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

The only thing holding back our hitters is our hitters.

[The Chosen One]

How in the world can anyone think Alex Wood is ready to be a starter over Medlen?

He didn't even pitch that dominantly in his bullpen outings...?!

Are some of you just that biased because he went to UGA?