AJC: Timing May Not Be Right For Chipper To Return

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/timing-may-not-be-right-for-chipper-to-return/nhT5p/

[Dalyn]

Sounds like Chipper would take the job if offered.

[JohnAdcox]

Sounds like he didn't slam the door, which is a pretty huge surprise to me. And as usual, I love his candor. If you don't want to know what he thinks, don't ask the question.

[Dalyn]

Sounds like he didn't slam the door, which is a pretty huge surprise to me. And as usual, I love his candor. If you don't want to know what he thinks, don't ask the question.

Truth.

[Tomahawking4life]

Sounds like if not this year then it will happen at some point. I think he'd have a hard time saying no.

[ramadon101]

Sounds like if not this year then it will happen at some point. I think he'd have a hard time saying no.

I told you guys already. He would seriously consider the job if he were offered it. I got a bunch of people poo-poo'ing the thought (not of Chipper as hitting coach but the likelihood of him accepting such a job) but I'm telling you I know otherwise. I'll leave it at that.

[jason27nc]

Hell after watching what Matt Williams has done with the Nats I would love to see Chipper as our manager.

[COGPK]

and Smoltz as the GM. Wouldn't it be great to have people in the organization that actually cared about it? Especially the owners.

[The Chosen One]

Complete silence on Chipper for the most part defending Fredi's managing...

[NinersSBChamps]

Why not just assemble a staff of ex players? And yes Smoltz belongs in a front office someday. Although I think he's comfortable where he is right now.

[The Chosen One]

So what has Smoltz proven that he's capable of being in the front office?

[NinersSBChamps]

So what has Smoltz proven that he's capable of being in the front office?

Nothing. He is intelligent and has a clear eye for talent. You can tell that much while he's in the booth.

I am not saying he needs to he handed a GM job, but a position inside the front office in some capacity would be good for him.

[VirginiaBrave]

Complete silence on Chipper for the most part defending Fredi's managing...

I didn't read it that way. I read Fredi deserves a chance to manage without Frank's meddling. Also read that Cox may well return to the dugout.

[The Chosen One]

I didn't read it that way. I read Fredi deserves a chance to manage without Frank's meddling. Also read that Cox may well return to the dugout.

Which would already be 200% more of an endorsement than anyone on here calling for Fredi's head would say.

I didn't read in his comments that Cox would return to the dugout, but rather Cox wasn't so ready to leave when he and Wren were on bad terms. I had no idea it was that bad between them, until Jeff Schultz wrote that Bobby actually packed up his belongings in his car during Spring Training 2009 and headed home because of Frank, until the other coaches lured him back.

[VirginiaBrave]

I just wonder how much of a knife will be will be taken to this roster and if CJ does come back, could he handle player failure.

[jcc03004]

Nothing. He is intelligent and has a clear eye for talent. You can tell that much while he's in the booth.

I am not saying he needs to he handed a GM job, but a position inside the front office in some capacity would be good for him.

If we didn't already have a damned good pitching coach, Smoltzie or Glavine would be my pics, would love to have either back in a Braves uni ... Maybe McDowell becomes the manager , chipper the hitting coach and Smoltz the pitching coach. John does seem like he'd enjoy the job. Have to wonder how much better Smoltz could make Teheran or Tommy could make Minor or Wood. I remember Damian Moss publicly crediting Glavine with helping him through his rookie season. Has Glavine ever spoke of the possibility?

[jcc03004]

Nothing. He is intelligent and has a clear eye for talent. You can tell that much while he's in the booth.

I am not saying he needs to he handed a GM job, but a position inside the front office in some capacity would be good for him.


Which would already be 200% more of an endorsement than anyone on here calling for Fredi's head would say.

I didn't read in his comments that Cox would return to the dugout, but rather Cox wasn't so ready to leave when he and Wren were on bad terms. I had no idea it was that bad between them, until Jeff Schultz wrote that Bobby actually packed up his belongings in his car during Spring Training 2009 and headed home because of Frank, until the other coaches lured him back.

Let's face it Bobby wasn't the greatest x and o's guy but he deserved to go out when HE WANTED to. If Wren tried to force him out shame on Frank

[Runnin]

I found Chipper's comments on Walker and Fletcher really interesting. IF they really are "very, very good", then how bad does that make our hitters? Or rather how stubborn and uncoachable does that make them appear?

Perhaps it was Frank all along making Fredi play BJ and bat him leadoff. If so, that would explain how he avoided getting the ax.

[Dalyn]

If all this stuff is true about Wren, shame on the organization for keeping him around this long. He should've been fired when he first started trying to push Bobby out. All of this is either bull**** or the Braves just stood around and let this guy run off a HOF manager and slowly destroy the team.

[50PoundHead]

I found Chipper's comments on Walker and Fletcher really interesting. IF they really are "very, very good", then how bad does that make our hitters? Or rather how stubborn and uncoachable does that make them appear?

Perhaps it was Frank all along making Fredi play BJ and bat him leadoff. If so, that would explain how he avoided getting the ax.

It's only been an impression I've had because I obviously don't know the whole story, but I got the feeling that Wren was managing from his office a lot this season, especially with Uggla and M. Upton. Big investments that Wren wanted to have work out. It was clear to all that Uggla's baseball talent mysteriously vanished (I was never a big fan of Uggla, but I've also never seen a decent player lose it all so quickly) last season and that bringing him back for another shot was a bit ludicrous. Pretty much the same for M. Upton, although he still has the look of a toolsy guy. What makes me think Frank had his nose in Fredi's business is that Fredi used Pena and Schafer much more liberally in 2013 than he did in 2014 and I was wondering why Uggla and M. Upton were continually trotted out there this season. I'm not defending Schafer or Pena as players per se, just pointing out that the usage pattern was very different this season and I have wondered why.

Wren may be one of those guys that is a very good second banana in the front office who simply can't do the job when sitting in the big chair.

[UNCBlue012]

It definitely sounded more Wren and less Fredi too me. I hope that it's not the case, because that's not only embarrassing on the organization but absolutely retarded of Wren.

[BlackwaterPark]

Where are you guys reading this

[zitothebrave]

Hell after watching what Matt Williams has done with the Nats I would love to see Chipper as our manager.

Yeah, I dont know if I'd want Chipper as a hitting coach, he's so damn naturally talented, those types usually have issues coaching, but I'd give him a crack at managing. Bring him on as a base coach or something and groom him to manage. Fire Fredi, bring someone in to fill in as manager who's a bit more older and experienced.

[Runnin]

If all this stuff is true about Wren, shame on the organization for keeping him around this long. He should've been fired when he first started trying to push Bobby out. All of this is either bull**** or the Braves just stood around and let this guy run off a HOF manager and slowly destroy the team.
I find it shocking that anybody in the Braves organization, even the GM, could piss BC off to the point of quitting in the middle of spring training and keep their job. If Wren's personal skills were that bad and that corrosive, then JS needs to step up to the whipping post as well, because everybody knows whose boy Wren was.

[Julio3000]

I find it shocking that anybody in the Braves organization, even the GM, could piss BC off to the point of quitting in the middle of spring training and keep their job. If Wren's personal skills were that bad and that corrosive, then JS needs to step up to the whipping post as well, because everybody knows whose boy Wren was.

Yeah, I'm surprised that he hasn't taken more heat...for the product on the field, and for Wren's performance, since Frank was JS's hand-picked successor.

I also suspect that Wren is getting scapegoated a little. OK, a lot. I wouldn't have thought that "The Braves Way" included knifing guys in the back on their way out the door.

[Dalyn]

I find it shocking that anybody in the Braves organization, even the GM, could piss BC off to the point of quitting in the middle of spring training and keep their job. If Wren's personal skills were that bad and that corrosive, then JS needs to step up to the whipping post as well, because everybody knows whose boy Wren was.


Yeah, I'm surprised that he hasn't taken more heat...for the product on the field, and for Wren's performance, since Frank was JS's hand-picked successor.

I also suspect that Wren is getting scapegoated a little. OK, a lot. I wouldn't have thought that "The Braves Way" included knifing guys in the back on their way out the door.

Yep. This spin makes JS look negligent and cowardly.

Because of that, I think at least some of this is scapegoating, which means the problem might still be here.