Legalize it

[zitothebrave]

I'll make it a poll so people who are less vocal can voice there opinion.

I'm open to hear arguments but I've yet to hear a real compelling argument for not legalizing pot. Especially when the argument for it monetarily is so strong.

[thethe]

I don't smoke anymore but I think it should be legal just for the revenue it would generate. I don't really advocate smoking though.

[sturg33]

Seems odd to me how it is illegal.

I have never smoked before in my life and it has nothing to do with the law.

I'm also confused how the supreme court has decided that a woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own body, but she can't take drugs or prostitute herself.

[AerchAngel]

Seems odd to me how it is illegal.

I have never smoked before in my life and it has nothing to do with the law.

I'm also confused how the supreme court has decided that a woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own body, but she can't take drugs or prostitute herself.

No kidding.

[Runnin]

Legalization will hurt the alcohol industry. Also because it's so easy to grow your own it will be hard to regulate and tax.

[thethe]

Legalization will hurt the alcohol industry. Also because it's so easy to grow your own it will be hard to regulate and tax.

YOu can make it illegal to grow in large quantities. Likemore than 2 plants on your premises.

[zitothebrave]

Legalization will hurt the alcohol industry. Also because it's so easy to grow your own it will be hard to regulate and tax.

Make seed/plants expensive. it's really easy to brew your own beer and wine, but people still don't do that.

[Krgrecw]

prostitution should be legal. I imagine if someone fully challenged the legality of it, it would pass.
I have no problem with what someone does in thier home but when they go outside and get behind the wheel of a car drunk/high and put others at risk I have a big problem with that. DUI penalties should be harsher.
If pot was legal drug abuse would increase. every drug addict starts with pot. drug addiction leads to crime and in many cases murder and people just throw thier life's away. Not everyone can smoke a blunt and not let it get to the next level.

honestly IMHO I've always thought pot was for pussies. If you want to get high, get high. Go snort some adderall or take some pills, thats the good ****.

[zitothebrave]

Waking up in the morning can lead to hard drug use, should we ban that? The whole gateway argument is just dumb

[sturg33]

prostitution should be legal. I imagine if someone fully challenged the legality of it, it would pass.
I have no problem with what someone does in thier home but when they go outside and get behind the wheel of a car drunk/high and put others at risk I have a big problem with that. DUI penalties should be harsher.
If pot was legal drug abuse would increase. every drug addict starts with pot. drug addiction leads to crime and in many cases murder and people just throw thier life's away. Not everyone can smoke a blunt and not let it get to the next level.


honestly IMHO I've always thought pot was for pussies. If you want to get high, get high. Go snort some adderall or take some pills, thats the good ****.



Why do you have the right to tell someone they can't throw their lives away?

[Dalyn]

I also think prostitution should be legal.

[goldfly]

If pot was legal drug abuse would increase. every drug addict starts with pot. drug addiction leads to crime and in many cases murder and people just throw thier life's away.

hahahahahahahahaha


:catchesbreath:


hahahahahahahahahaha

[Dalyn]

Saying every drug addict starts with pot is like saying every getaway driver starts with running. Guess that is why they don't allow running in school.

[Krgrecw]

the more people are introduced to drugs the more people will become addicted. That goes for anything. you introduce a mass of people to something new and a percent of the newbies will like it. but theres addiction involved in drugs. Addiction leads to crime and more of our tax money put towards drug counseling and drug abuse centers


And legalizing weed would make the roads more dangerous. your concentration and reflexes are slowed when your high.


I have no problem if it was legal but
A) dwi charges should be more severe
B) my taxes should never go towards helping people off drugs. Your choice, your responsibility

[Dalyn]

The money you would save from the 'war on drugs' would dwarf the cost of helping people off drugs.

[Julio3000]

Addiction leads to crime and more of our tax money put towards drug counseling and drug abuse centers

We need way, way more of our tax money put towards drug counseling and drug abuse centers.

[elmonthc]

Doesnt matter, im gonna smoke either way. Of course it should be legal.

[goldfly]

the more people are introduced to drugs the more people will become addicted. That goes for anything. you introduce a mass of people to something new and a percent of the newbies will like it. but theres addiction involved in drugs. Addiction leads to crime and more of our tax money put towards drug counseling and drug abuse centers


And legalizing weed would make the roads more dangerous. your concentration and reflexes are slowed when your high.


I have no problem if it was legal but
A) dwi charges should be more severe
B) my taxes should never go towards helping people off drugs. Your choice, your responsibility

your response is a perfect example of why America now falls behind so many countries these days on so many things

[weso1]

Legalize pot and prostitution. But keep prostitution while smoking pot illegal.

[Julio3000]

the more people are introduced to drugs the more people will become addicted. That goes for anything. you introduce a mass of people to something new and a percent of the newbies will like it. but theres addiction involved in drugs. Addiction leads to crime and more of our tax money put towards drug counseling and drug abuse centers


And legalizing weed would make the roads more dangerous. your concentration and reflexes are slowed when your high.


I have no problem if it was legal but
A) dwi charges should be more severe
B) my taxes should never go towards helping people off drugs. Your choice, your responsibility

Yeah, prison is a much more efficient use of your tax dollar.

[AerchAngel]

Why do you have the right to tell someone they can't throw their lives away?

Because you and I will have to pay for it eventually.

[Dalyn]

Legalize pot and prostitution. But keep prostitution while smoking pot illegal.

I guess I am okay with that. I can find something else to do with my Sundays.

[elmonthc]

Yeah, prison is a much more efficient use of your tax dollar.

Overcrowded prisons have nothing to do with all the black people doing nickels and dimes for pot possession.


Weed is illegal because an old white guy was losing money. It wont be legalized to some other old white guy finds a way to make billions off of it.

I should be able to bang an escort with an L in one hand and my desrt eagle in the other.

Lastly seat belt lawz are dumb as ****.

[Julio3000]

Overcrowded prisons have nothing to do with all the black people doing nickels and dimes for pot possession.


Weed is illegal because an old white guy was losing money. It wont be legalized to some other old white guy finds a way to make billions off of it.

I should be able to bang an escort with an L in one hand and my desrt eagle in the other.

Lastly seat belt lawz are dumb as ****.

That is my favorite sentence of the last 24 hours.

[yeezus]

the more people are introduced to drugs the more people will become addicted. That goes for anything. you introduce a mass of people to something new and a percent of the newbies will like it. but theres addiction involved in drugs. Addiction leads to crime and more of our tax money put towards drug counseling and drug abuse centers


And legalizing weed would make the roads more dangerous. your concentration and reflexes are slowed when your high.


I have no problem if it was legal but
A) dwi charges should be more severe
B) my taxes should never go towards helping people off drugs. Your choice, your responsibility

Wow, this post and your previous post are two of the dumbest things I've ever read.
Weed is not a gateway drug. A large percentage of people who smoke weed JUST smoke weed. Alcohol is far more likely to lead to other things, as are prescription drugs.
Go check out what's happened in Portugal since they decriminalized drugs.

"The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."

Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana."

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

It has also been proven NOT to be a gateway drug, that argument is stupid and archaic. And as the article above states, the cost of treatment is cheaper than putting another non-dangerous drug user in jail.

I know so many people who only smoke weed. I prefer to smoke over drink unless I'm out and about, and it's far less dangerous in pretty much every way.
Also, please find me reports that people are worse drives while high on weed. As far as I've looked, that has not been proven at all. And from an anecdotal standpoint, I'm far more careful, aware, and stay closer to the speed limit when I'm high and driving.

There's no logical reason marijuana shouldn't be legal. It's not going to lead to more people smoking or doing other drugs. If you want to smoke, you will easily find a way to smoke. It was easier to get weed in high school than alcohol. If the government didn't make money off building prisons, I think it'd be legal. They know it's better for society to legalize it.

[yeezus]

and LMAO off at "smoking leads to throwing your life away." My sister smokes almost every day (doesn't do any other drugs) and just got her masters from UPenn.
Alcohol is far more likely to ruin lives. No one comes home high on weed and beats up their wife. They eat teddy grahams and pass out. RX drugs and alcohol are a far bigger problem than weed would be, and those are both perfectly legal.

[thethe]

Its amazing how warped the minds are of some people in this Country. Pot doesn't lead to other drugs. Stupid decisions do. Its not the drugs fault...its the person.

[yeezus]

Its amazing how warped the minds are of some people in this Country. Pot doesn't lead to other drugs. Stupid decisions do. Its not the drugs fault...its the person.

It really is crazy. People really think weed is crazy and dangerous. My gf used to think like this, but she's slowly moving away from that. It's really not a big deal to smoke hear and there. I know a guy with two kids who smokes every day. He puts his kids to bed, gets everything ready for them for school and such for the next day, and smokes to relax and sleep really well. I don't advocate smoking every day to anyone, but that doesn't mean I don't believe some people can handle it without being foolish. I keep some around just in case I have a really hard time sleeping. I don't crave it, I have zero desire to experiment with other drugs. I've had this gram for over a month now. I just smoke a little hear and there when I need to relax or sleep. Totally rids me of the sleep anxiety I get when I need to wake up early, and far better than any other sleep-aid I've tried.

I don't think everyone should smoke, and I think even less should do it every day. But for it to be illegal is totally silly. Me smoking in my room a few nights every few weeks will hurt exactly 0 people, yet I'm not legally allowed to do so.

[elmonthc]

Its amazing how warped the minds are of some people in this Country. Pot doesn't lead to other drugs. Stupid decisions do. Its not the drugs fault...its the person.

Its a known fact that if you smoke weed youre gonna shhot your friend in the head with your fathers gun.

[yeezus]

Its a known fact that if you smoke weed youre gonna shhot your friend in the head with your fathers gun.

Me shooting my friend had nothing to do with the fact that I was stoned at the time.

[Gary82]

Its amazing how warped the minds are of some people in this Country. Pot doesn't lead to other drugs. Stupid decisions do. Its not the drugs fault...its the person.

B...bu...but it's a gateway drug. The TV told me so!

It should be legalized.

[Gary82]

my taxes should never go towards helping people off drugs. Your choice, your responsibility

Yeah! **** PEOPLE! Amirite?

[yeezus]

Yeah! **** PEOPLE! Amirite?

Yeah, it should go towards putting innocent, non-dangerous people in jail. That's much better.

[Gary82]

Private Prison system agrees.

[zitothebrave]

Private Prison system agrees.

Modern day slavery FTW!

[sturg33]

Its amazing how warped the minds are of some people in this Country. Pot doesn't lead to other drugs. Stupid decisions do. Its not the drugs fault...its the person.

You mean, we shouldn't believe everything the media and our government tell us???

No way that applies to any other portion of our lives, though.

[goldfly]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64802_672573680842_195068275_n.jpg

[Runnin]

Marijuana is a very strong drug, especially the designer strains being grown today. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's not. I've seen it totally screw up people's lives, just like alcohol.

And just like alcohol, some people can handle it and some can't. Still, it should be legal, and cheap.

[GMAJAH25]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64802_672573680842_195068275_n.jpg

You see..

Since all those potty smokers are already in jail...they wont be getting arrested for their violent crimes...which makes that number go down..

[Dalyn]

What a boring Sunday. Thanks, Weso.

[yeezus]

Marijuana is a very strong drug, especially the designer strains being grown today. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's not. I've seen it totally screw up people's lives, just like alcohol.

And just like alcohol, some people can handle it and some can't. Still, it should be legal, and cheap.

Very strong compared to what? I find it very hard to believe JUST weed screwed up someone's life. If someone who smokes screws up their whole life, there's a lot more going on with that person than just smoking weed.

[goldfly]

Marijuana is a very strong drug, especially the designer strains being grown today. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's not. I've seen it totally screw up people's lives, just like alcohol.

And just like alcohol, some people can handle it and some can't. Still, it should be legal, and cheap.

no you haven't seen it screw up anyones life

[elmonthc]

Ive been smoking weed since the 6th grade. I did other drugs but I hated most of them. Never did crack or heron. My life is pretty good . Weed isnt a gateway drug. Its just a scare tactic.

Its a known fact ciggys cause cancer. They ruin lives. You cant get sick from second hand pot smoke.

[Dalyn]

I tried heron once. Tasted like a duck on heroin.

[weso1]

What a boring Sunday. Thanks, Weso.

Maybe you could try funyuns and porn as a substitute.

[elmonthc]

I tried heron once. Tasted like a duck on heroin.

That one I didnt spell wrong lol. Its just slang.

Duck is nasty imo. So is duck sauce. Duck Hunt was the **** though. Darkwing Duck waa pretty kewl too.

[jpx7]

Don't call it that.

[elmonthc]

[QUOTE=weso1;15820]Maybe you could try funyuns and porn as a
Onion rings > funyons

[weso1]

Ive been smoking weed since the 6th grade. I did other drugs but I hated most of them. Never did crack or heron. My life is pretty good . Weed isnt a gateway drug. Its just a scare tactic.

Its a known fact ciggys cause cancer. They ruin lives. You cant get sick from second hand pot smoke.

I just changed my mind about legalizing Marijuana.

[jpx7]

Maybe you could try funyuns and porn as a substitute.

It's a known fact funyuns can't be digested without cannabis.

[elmonthc]

I just changed my mind about legalizing Marijuana.


Lol.

[Dalyn]

Maybe you could try funyuns and porn as a substitute.


And where would that leave me on Tuesday? Bored. Bored. Bored.

[thethe]

That one I didnt spell wrong lol. Its just slang.

Duck is nasty imo. So is duck sauce. Duck Hunt was the **** though. Darkwing Duck waa pretty kewl too.

I am the terror that flaps in the night!

[acesfull86]

I've yet to hear a real compelling argument for not legalizing pot.

Good luck...

[Runnin]

Very strong compared to what? I find it very hard to believe JUST weed screwed up someone's life. If someone who smokes screws up their whole life, there's a lot more going on with that person than just smoking weed.
Strong compared to alcohol. Of course it's a different kind of high and in many ways much safer than alcohol, but don't kid yourself that it's harmless or that it won't put you in a serious fog for a while. Do you want your dentist or doctor taking a bunch of bong hits before they go to work on you? Would you care if your pilot was smoking weed in the cockpit? How about your accountant, or taxi driver or somebody working for you? Would you care if your baby sitter was sneaking off to the backyard for a quick toke? It can be just as dangerous as alcohol.

[Runnin]

no you haven't seen it screw up anyones life

There are a lot of people in prison who would disagree with you. You could say that poor decision making got them arrested but there's something about pot that makes people do stupid ****, like putting their lives' in serious jeopardy just for a temporary buzz.

[cajunrevenge]

Freedom not just being allowed to make good choices because what is good is subjective. The benefits of legalization far outweigh the downsides of it being illegal. You can just look at prohibition as a good example of the pluses and minuses. As opposed to incarceration we could offer free or cheap rehab. For how much we pay to incarcerate them we could send them to Hawaii for rehab and it would still be cheaper. I wouldnt disagree that everyone has a right to do any drug but I can understand harder drugs being illegal. I cant see someone doing meth or heroin and maintaining a normal life. We as a nation criminalize way too many things. There are almost 5000 federal offenses for which you can be arrested. Seriously. On average congress creates one new offense a week. This crap is what really needs to stop.

[goldfly]

There are a lot of people in prison who would disagree with you. You could say that poor decision making got them arrested but there's something about pot that makes people do stupid ****, like putting their lives' in serious jeopardy just for a temporary buzz.

ah, i see your absurd angle now for the statement

[gilesfan]

FOr all the people that cry about legalizing it, how many have been arrested for smoking or possession of weed?

[ESP47]

Strong compared to alcohol. Of course it's a different kind of high and in many ways much safer than alcohol, but don't kid yourself that it's harmless or that it won't put you in a serious fog for a while. Do you want your dentist or doctor taking a bunch of bong hits before they go to work on you? Would you care if your pilot was smoking weed in the cockpit? How about your accountant, or taxi driver or somebody working for you? Would you care if your baby sitter was sneaking off to the backyard for a quick toke? It can be just as dangerous as alcohol.

It probably should be legal but the pro-weed people never think about things like this and how it should be regulated. I do find it funny how everyone has a "I know a guy who smokes every day and he makes $XXXXXXX money and has a wife and successful kids!" story. That's like saying you know a guy who has never worn a seat belt his entire life and is still alive or you know a guy who has smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years and is as healthy as a horse. It proves nothing other than the fact that you know a couple of people who can do it and function successfully in society. Not everyone is like that but it's not as bad as the tv makes it sound either.

[gilesfan]

That is the best argument I've hear for not legalizing.

[yeezus]

There are a lot of people in prison who would disagree with you. You could say that poor decision making got them arrested but there's something about pot that makes people do stupid ****, like putting their lives' in serious jeopardy just for a temporary buzz.

LOL wtf are you talking about.
People in prison for marijuana shouldn't be there. What the hell kind of life-threatening danger does the average weed smoker put themselves in? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You sound borderline facetious? I have never once put my life in serious jeopardy from smoking. Not even close.

[yeezus]

Strong compared to alcohol. Of course it's a different kind of high and in many ways much safer than alcohol, but don't kid yourself that it's harmless or that it won't put you in a serious fog for a while. Do you want your dentist or doctor taking a bunch of bong hits before they go to work on you? Would you care if your pilot was smoking weed in the cockpit? How about your accountant, or taxi driver or somebody working for you? Would you care if your baby sitter was sneaking off to the backyard for a quick toke? It can be just as dangerous as alcohol.

It is NOT strong compared to alcohol. Alcohol messes people up far more than weed. AND it's far more likely to make people violent compared to weed. The two aren't even close. It's not as bad for your body/mind as alcohol, either. You truly have zero idea what you're talking about. You sound like a goddamn DARE officer that comes to elementary schools. All BS.

And no, I wouldn't want any of those people doing any of those things. But that's totally irrelevant. Is it legal to drink before flying a plain? Would you want your dentist taking a few shots before working on you? You're making the worst points of all time. If it's legal it won't all of a sudden cause dentists and pilots to start smoking anywhere, anytime they wanted.

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense. Again, go look at what I posted earlier about Portugal. Prohibition doesn't work. Putting people in jail for possession of marijuana screws up someone's life far more than simply smoking the damn stuff does, and that's a HUGE problem.

[jpx7]

FOr all the people that cry about legalizing it, how many have been arrested for smoking or possession of weed?

On this board, or in this nation? If you mean this board: I suspect the very social and economic privileges that allow us to spend our time regularly posting on an internet message board are the same factors that militate the likelihood of any of us being arrested for possession or distribution of cannabis.

[yeezus]

Actually, I wouldn't care that much if my kid were in bed, sleeping, and my babysitter (that I know and trust) sat downstairs (where they would normally sit babysitting) and had a few tokes. Because I know it isn't that serious and doesn't do all that much to you besides make you hungry and think a little differently. It's also mildly mentally addictive, but has very, very little physical addiction involved - not the same with alcohol.

If you think weed should be illegal, then you should logically think alcohol and a lot of RX drugs should be too. Alcohol is so much worse in so many ways. Again, you really don't know what you're talking about, so please stop the ignorance. You sound very silly.

[yeezus]

FOr all the people that cry about legalizing it, how many have been arrested for smoking or possession of weed?

A JPX said, no one here may have been, but that's not the point.
Plenty of people in this country DO get arrested for simple possession. It can screw over my financial aid for school if I were to be caught with it. I have a 3.7 in a good business school while smoking weed here and there. It is having no negative impact on my life, especially compared to other drugs out there. But if they took away my financial aid? I can't go to school, and THAT will screw my life up.

[yeezus]

It probably should be legal but the pro-weed people never think about things like this and how it should be regulated. I do find it funny how everyone has a "I know a guy who smokes every day and he makes $XXXXXXX money and has a wife and successful kids!" story. That's like saying you know a guy who has never worn a seat belt his entire life and is still alive or you know a guy who has smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years and is as healthy as a horse. It proves nothing other than the fact that you know a couple of people who can do it and function successfully in society. Not everyone is like that but it's not as bad as the tv makes it sound either.

Sure I do. Regulate the way you regulate cigs and alcohol. There are countless things that are legal that some people simply can't handle. Casions. Strip clubs. Alcohol. RX drugs. Making these things illegal has proven not to work. Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking. Our drinking age doesn't stop under-21s from drinking.

[jpx7]

Our drinking age doesn't stop under-21s from drinking.

Often it just means they drink more excessively, in less rational fashion, and/or in more dangerous circumstances.

[yeezus]

Often it just means they drink more excessively, in less rational fashion, and/or in more dangerous circumstances.

Exactly.

[goldfly]

gov't has done a great job of keeping people dumb in this country

[gtcway]

A JPX said, no one here may have been, but that's not the point.
Plenty of people in this country DO get arrested for simple possession. It can screw over my financial aid for school if I were to be caught with it. I have a 3.7 in a good business school while smoking weed here and there. It is having no negative impact on my life, especially compared to other drugs out there. But if they took away my financial aid? I can't go to school, and THAT will screw my life up.

That will be you screwing up your life. You chose to smoke weed and risk losing you financial aid. You know what will happen if you get caught. You say it's not that addictive, so why do you choose to put you education and future at risk to smoke a little weed?
Sound's like it has a little more of an effect on you than you're willing to admit, or you are just making foolish decisions.

[Dalyn]

gov't has done a great job of keeping people dumb in this country

Not that they have to work hard at it.

[Carp]

Not that they have to work hard at it.


I say legalize it and tax the **** out of it like Cigarettes. Put the same laws that govern alcohol in place.

[Carp]

A JPX said, no one here may have been, but that's not the point.
Plenty of people in this country DO get arrested for simple possession. It can screw over my financial aid for school if I were to be caught with it. I have a 3.7 in a good business school while smoking weed here and there. It is having no negative impact on my life, especially compared to other drugs out there. But if they took away my financial aid? I can't go to school, and THAT will screw my life up.


While I understand the point you are trying to make, it would be no one's fault but yourself if that happened. You can't blame the government for your F-ups, even if the laws are stupid. You still know what the laws are and it's your responsibility to follow them until the law is changed.

[yeezus]

That will be you screwing up your life. You chose to smoke weed and risk losing you financial aid. You know what will happen if you get caught. You say it's not that addictive, so why do you choose to put you education and future at risk to smoke a little weed?
Sound's like it has a little more of an effect on you than you're willing to admit, or you are just making foolish decisions.

The point is, I would be fine in life if it weren't illegal. Weed in and of itself does not negatively effect my life. The stupid laws on it do. Do you not realize how stupid that sounds? My smoking will not hurt me or anyone else, yet if I get caught, I could have my life screwed over. Think about it. It's absurd.

[goldfly]

While I understand the point you are trying to make, it would be no one's fault but yourself if that happened. You can't blame the government for your F-ups, even if the laws are stupid. You still know what the laws are and it's your responsibility to follow them until the law is changed.

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

a great man who founded this country said that

[Carp]

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

a great man who founded this country said that

"A witty saying proves nothing."

Someone old said that.

Pretty sure that "founder" would not recommend using illegal drugs for recreational purposes.

[Carp]

The point is, I would be fine in life if it weren't illegal. Weed in and of itself does not negatively effect my life. The stupid laws on it do. Do you not realize how stupid that sounds? My smoking will not hurt me or anyone else, yet if I get caught, I could have my life screwed over. Think about it. It's absurd.

Again, I already see your point. But it's not fault but your own if you get caught.

[zitothebrave]

"A witty saying proves nothing."

Someone old said that.

Pretty sure that "founder" would not recommend using illegal drugs for recreational purposes.

Yeah he'd be more about letting people do his work for him for free.

[acesfull86]

It seems simple to me. Legalize it and regulate it as you would alcohol. Save money being wasted on overcrowded prisons. Allow people to enjoy weed responsibly the way they enjoy a couple of drinks here and there. Punish people who are irresponsible with weed the way we do with alcohol (no driving, no providing to minors, etc). How in the world would we be any worse off than we are now? IMO, it's low risk, high reward (no pun intended).

[yeezus]

Again, I already see your point. But it's not fault but your own if you get caught.

Sigh. The point is, it shouldn't be illegal. It makes zero sense. And the fact that the punishment far outweighs the potential danger is a joke.

[Gary82]

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

a great man who founded this country said that

Typical behavior from a traitor of the royal crown!!!!

[yeezus]

high reward

aww yeahhh :Bunchie1:

[Carp]

Sigh. The point is, it shouldn't be illegal. It makes zero sense. And the fact that the punishment far outweighs the potential danger is a joke.


You obviously are not reading my post.

[Carp]

Yeah he'd be more about letting people do his work for him for free.

I mean what else was he going to do? Pick that cotton himself? Psssshhhhh

[goldfly]

"A witty saying proves nothing."

Someone old said that.

Pretty sure that "founder" would not recommend using illegal drugs for recreational purposes.

the quotes on founder make me question if you think Jefferson would agree with the drugs laws in this country

[goldfly]

Typical behavior from a traitor of the royal crown!!!!

as i said to aussies on the queens bday when i was in australia

**** the queen

[Gary82]

I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson wouldn't give two ****s if people smoked doobies.

[goldfly]

I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson wouldn't give two ****s if people smoked doobies.

thus the point of the quote

[DjGrizz]

hahahahahahahahaha


:catchesbreath:


hahahahahahahahahaha

So ignorant imo. Pot never hurt anything. Smoked pot for years (don't anymore) and I never touched coke, meth, heroin, or any other hard drug. And pot does the opposite of making you wanna break the law cuz it makes you paranoid of shiz like that

[gilesfan]

On this board, or in this nation? If you mean this board: I suspect the very social and economic privileges that allow us to spend our time regularly posting on an internet message board are the same factors that militate the likelihood of any of us being arrested for possession or distribution of cannabis.

On this board.

[gilesfan]

Actually, I wouldn't care that much if my kid were in bed, sleeping, and my babysitter (that I know and trust) sat downstairs (where they would normally sit babysitting) and had a few tokes. Because I know it isn't that serious and doesn't do all that much to you besides make you hungry and think a little differently. It's also mildly mentally addictive, but has very, very little physical addiction involved - not the same with alcohol.

If you think weed should be illegal, then you should logically think alcohol and a lot of RX drugs should be too. Alcohol is so much worse in so many ways. Again, you really don't know what you're talking about, so please stop the ignorance. You sound very silly.

Im assuming you don't have kids? No parent is gonna want a babysitter downstairs smoking a bowl while there kids sleep upstairs. At least no parent worth a ****.

Im not against weed and I've had my share. But, I'm not doing it when I'm around my kids in case something were to happen than them and I can't help much because I'm stoned.

[gilesfan]

A JPX said, no one here may have been, but that's not the point.
Plenty of people in this country DO get arrested for simple possession. It can screw over my financial aid for school if I were to be caught with it. I have a 3.7 in a good business school while smoking weed here and there. It is having no negative impact on my life, especially compared to other drugs out there. But if they took away my financial aid? I can't go to school, and THAT will screw my life up.


Then don't smoke weed?

[Julio3000]

Yeah he'd be more about letting people do his work for him for free.

To say nothing of using at least one of the people for recreational purposes, too.

[AerchAngel]

Lot of pot heads in this thread.

Smell alone makes me want to puke. It smells like ass crack mixed with bad incense.

[sturg33]

Then don't smoke weed?
Good to know you're a pro-freedom kinda guy

[gilesfan]

Good to know you're a pro-freedom kinda guy

Good morning, Mr. Tin Foil.

[sturg33]

Good morning, Mr. Tin Foil.

Wanting to be able to live my life the way I see fit - presuming I don't hurt anyone else, is tin-foil?

Isn't that kind of just a distracting argument in an effort to deflect?

[gilesfan]

Then smoke weed if you want to.

[sturg33]

Then smoke weed if you want to.

But why should I have to fear criminal reprucssion? It could cause me to lose a job - not because it is bad, but because it is (foolishly) illegal. It could cause me to go to jail, not because it is hurting someone, but because it is (foolishly) illegal.

How much of our tax money goes to the incarceration of non-violent criminals? It's absurd, and we call ourselves the "land of the free"

I assume you in favor abolishing alcohol, cigarettes, and soda, then yes?

[jpx7]

On this board.

Well then I've already posited an answer to your query (in the very post you quoted above).

[gilesfan]

I don't fear prosecution for smoking weed. If I want to do it, I do it. (I don't carry a kilo around)

[gilesfan]

Well then I've already posited an answer to your query (in the very post you quoted above).

ok. Thanks.

[yeezus]

Im assuming you don't have kids? No parent is gonna want a babysitter downstairs smoking a bowl while there kids sleep upstairs. At least no parent worth a ****.

Im not against weed and I've had my share. But, I'm not doing it when I'm around my kids in case something were to happen than them and I can't help much because I'm stoned.

Someone can have a hit or two and not be stoned. Even if someone were stoned, it does not make everyone incapacitated.

People hear "weed" and they assume cheech and chong type dumbass people, who instantly lower their IQ 40 points with each toke, and can't do anything competently. I find that to be so far from the truth. Cheech and Chong was a couple of stoners' projections of stoners, not how they actually were. There is no reason for the drug to be illegal unless you get all your info from the DARE officer in elementary school. It's far less dangerous than so many legal things.

[yeezus]

Well then I've already posited an answer to your query (in the very post you quoted above).

Yes, and as far as gilesfan is concerned, as long as no one ON THIS BOARD has been in trouble for weed, we should not care that we potentially could, or that millions of people DO get arrested for doing something that hurts no one.

[yeezus]

You obviously are not reading my post.

I am. You obviously don't understand that a punishment that does not even come close to fitting the crime is a huge problem.
Would you like to lose your job because you went and bought alcohol? How many people still drank during prohibition? The fact that the government will screw over someone's otherwise fine, innocent, peaceful life is scary.

[yeezus]

Then don't smoke weed?

I do here and there, mostly when I have to wake up early and have sleep anxiety (as I often do). I trust more and prefer it over things like nyquil or RX sleep drugs (which can have bad side effects. weed? none. oh, food tastes good).

There is no reasonable argument for weed being illegal as long as alcohol and other drugs are legal. No one has come close to making a decent argument ("weed makes people do reckless things and risk their lives" is by no stretch of the imagination a reasonable argument).

[gilesfan]

Someone can have a hit or two and not be stoned. Even if someone were stoned, it does not make everyone incapacitated.

People hear "weed" and they assume cheech and chong type dumbass people, who instantly lower their IQ 40 points with each toke, and can't do anything competently. I find that to be so far from the truth. Cheech and Chong was a couple of stoners' projections of stoners, not how they actually were. There is no reason for the drug to be illegal unless you get all your info from the DARE officer in elementary school. It's far less dangerous than so many legal things.


I have experience with weed. I'm not trusting my babysitter to watch my kids after smoking weed.

[yeezus]

Wanting to be able to live my life the way I see fit - presuming I don't hurt anyone else, is tin-foil?

Isn't that kind of just a distracting argument in an effort to deflect?

ITT: giles is a fool. but we already knew that.

AA, that's fine if you don't like weed. I don't want the law to say "Everyone must smoke weed." I want to be able to go and buy it and sit in my room.

[jpx7]

I don't like ketchup, but I'm not trying to criminalize sugary-tomato-vinegar.

[yeezus]

I don't like ketchup, but I'm not trying to criminalize sugary-tomato-vinegar.

Ketchup is probably worse for someone (health wise) than weed.

[gilesfan]

I haven't said whether weed should be legal or not. I don't want people to deal with people that have been smoking weed unless i'm chilling at the house eating potato chips. I certainly don't want other drivers, pilots, dentists, doctors, babysitters to be high on weed. I don't really give a **** if its legal or not though, if I want to smoke weed, I will call someone up and smoke weed. But, I won't do it when I'm taking care of my children or when I am going to be on the road or need to do anything productive (besides empty out the pantry)

[elmonthc]

I take pain pills for my back and leg. Smoking helps enhace the strength of the pills. Thats one reason I smoke. It also helps take away, or at least take my mind off other **** ive gone through. Sometimes I think too much lol. Its relaxing. I dont smoke when I drive. That **** is scary the few times ive done it. I cqn drink qnd drive pretty good, dont do it anymore though. Smoking and driving is crazy. Its also cool that I can smoke with my girl, she smokes more than I do lol. Sje also gets way better **** lol.

[yeezus]

I certainly don't want other drivers, pilots, dentists, doctors, babysitters to be high on weed.

This is brought up again, and I'm still not sure why it's relevant.

[yeezus]

I take pain pills for my back and leg. Smoking helps enhace the strength of the pills. Thats one reason I smoke. It also helps take away, or at least take my mind off other **** ive gone through. Sometimes I think too much lol. Its relaxing. I dont smoke when I drive. That **** is scary the few times ive done it. I cqn drink qnd drive pretty good, dont do it anymore though. Smoking and driving is crazy. Its also cool that I can smoke with my girl, she smokes more than I do lol. Sje also gets way better **** lol.

Same, when I'm really anxious over something and can't stop thinking about it, bud really helps me relax and take my mind off it. For some people it's super effective for anxiety.

[mossy]

Legalize it. It's not my personal lifestyle choice, but as a Xanax user, who am I to judge?

[Carp]

I am. You obviously don't understand that a punishment that does not even come close to fitting the crime is a huge problem.
Would you like to lose your job because you went and bought alcohol? How many people still drank during prohibition? The fact that the government will screw over someone's otherwise fine, innocent, peaceful life is scary.


Obviously you aren't, as I said multiple times "I get your point."

But if something is illegal and you continue to do it, then that in fact is your own fault that you were stupid enough to do it and get caught. If you read my first post in this thread, I said I think it should be legal.

[gilesfan]

I take pain pills for my back and leg. Smoking helps enhace the strength of the pills. Thats one reason I smoke. It also helps take away, or at least take my mind off other **** ive gone through. Sometimes I think too much lol. Its relaxing. I dont smoke when I drive. That **** is scary the few times ive done it. I cqn drink qnd drive pretty good, dont do it anymore though. Smoking and driving is crazy. Its also cool that I can smoke with my girl, she smokes more than I do lol. Sje also gets way better **** lol.

If coke was legal, I would have aced college bc I wouldn't have needed to sleep

[ESP47]

Same, when I'm really anxious over something and can't stop thinking about it, bud really helps me relax and take my mind off it. For some people it's super effective for anxiety.

I'm going to write a book. It's going to be called "Take some god damn control over yourself". Here's a quick synopsis of it. There is such a thing in this world called a "brain" that does exactly what weed does in your case. Except it's free, healthy and doesn't impair you in any way. So if you're trying to sleep but you can't because you keep thinking about some other problem, you use this "brain" thing to shut that other junk out. Most of the people in the world can already attest to doing this and it works wonders. No drugs needed, just a little self control. People far too often try and use weed as a crutch when in fact they are just mentally lazy and it's easier to sit around and smoke or drink rather than internally work out their own problems. It's called self medicating and normally it isn't healthy and definitely does not fix the root of your problem.

[Runnin]

This is brought up again, and I'm still not sure why it's relevant.
It's absolutely relevant to any conversation about legalizing weed. It's an intoxicating drug that will have to be regulated like alcohol.

Legalization will probably be hard on pot heads who now get away with being high all the time because 1- a lot of people can't tell, and 2 -no one wants to turn them in. But what will happen when everyone can spot someone who's high? Just like it's really hard to get away with drinking a few beers at lunch, it's gonna be tougher to be secretly high once everyone becomes familiar with it.

[yeezus]

It's absolutely relevant to any conversation about legalizing weed. It's an intoxicating drug that will have to be regulated like alcohol.

Legalization will probably be hard on pot heads who now get away with being high all the time because 1- a lot of people can't tell, and 2 -no one wants to turn them in. But what will happen when everyone can spot someone who's high? Just like it's really hard to get away with drinking a few beers at lunch, it's gonna be tougher to be secretly high once everyone becomes familiar with it.

Sooooo...?
I have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, regulate it like alcohol. Just because alcohol is legal doesn't mean pilots and teachers do their jobs wasted. What makes weed different? Also, it's irrelevant because no one said otherwise. No one said "screw it let pilots smoke bongs in the cockpit."

I know a lot of people who smoke weed and I don't know anyone who's "high all the time." Obviously there are people out there who smoke constantly, but let's not act like everyone that smokes weed does it all day, every day, regardless of any responsibilities they have. It's very far from the truth.

[yeezus]

I'm going to write a book. It's going to be called "Take some god damn control over yourself". Here's a quick synopsis of it. There is such a thing in this world called a "brain" that does exactly what weed does in your case. Except it's free, healthy and doesn't impair you in any way. So if you're trying to sleep but you can't because you keep thinking about some other problem, you use this "brain" thing to shut that other junk out. Most of the people in the world can already attest to doing this and it works wonders. No drugs needed, just a little self control. People far too often try and use weed as a crutch when in fact they are just mentally lazy and it's easier to sit around and smoke or drink rather than internally work out their own problems. It's called self medicating and normally it isn't healthy and definitely does not fix the root of your problem.

LOL so are you saying RX drugs shouldn't exist?
People take pills for anxiety. People take pills to sleep. People take pills for depression. Should someone who's depressed just "mentally work it out"? That's extremely stupid and ignorant. I choose weed (occasionally) over pills. I don't have severe problems, my life is good and I'm very happy. But, when I'm a little stressed and can't sleep and have to be up early (which makes trying to sleep worse) I'll use it knock me out. I fail to see what's wrong with that. I'm not high all day. When problems in my life arise I don't just smoke and shut them out, and for you to assume so by saying I use weed as a "crutch." Nope, just replaces sleeping pills that have bad side effects. Thanks for your concern, keep up the ignorance.

[yeezus]

Obviously you aren't, as I said multiple times "I get your point."

But if something is illegal and you continue to do it, then that in fact is your own fault that you were stupid enough to do it and get caught. If you read my first post in this thread, I said I think it should be legal.

It's sad that we're just supposed to accept extremely unfair laws.

[yeezus]

And I still welcome someone to make a case against legalization.

[Carp]

It's sad that we're just supposed to accept extremely unfair laws.


Who said anything about accepting it? Right a letter to yuor senator. Get a movement started. Run for your local politcal office.

There are numerous ways to legally fight against a law you feel is unjust. Breaking the law on purpose doesn't really do a whole lot to help your cause.

[goldfly]

Who said anything about accepting it? Right a letter to yuor senator. Get a movement started. Run for your local politcal office.

There are numerous ways to legally fight against a law you feel is unjust. Breaking the law on purpose doesn't really do a whole lot to help your cause.

actually, that is a really good way to change a law sometimes

[yeezus]

Who said anything about accepting it? Right a letter to yuor senator. Get a movement started. Run for your local politcal office.

There are numerous ways to legally fight against a law you feel is unjust. Breaking the law on purpose doesn't really do a whole lot to help your cause.

I'd like to know when this was effective in changing a politician's mind and changing laws more so than a lot of people just breaking the law.

[ESP47]

LOL so are you saying RX drugs shouldn't exist?
People take pills for anxiety. People take pills to sleep. People take pills for depression. Should someone who's depressed just "mentally work it out"? That's extremely stupid and ignorant. I choose weed (occasionally) over pills. I don't have severe problems, my life is good and I'm very happy. But, when I'm a little stressed and can't sleep and have to be up early (which makes trying to sleep worse) I'll use it knock me out. I fail to see what's wrong with that. I'm not high all day. When problems in my life arise I don't just smoke and shut them out, and for you to assume so by saying I use weed as a "crutch." Nope, just replaces sleeping pills that have bad side effects. Thanks for your concern, keep up the ignorance.

A lot of RX drugs are for bogus symptoms. There's a pill for everything whether it's needed or not. Dude you act like you're the only one who's had anxiety or been depressed or had trouble sleeping. That's every day crap that millions of people every day put up with without taking pills or smoking weed. Yeah you can mentally work out depression. Not everyone can because some cases are more severe than others but not everyone has to take a pill or smoke weed to cover the symptoms either.

I wouldn't have said anything but the way you come across on this subject reminds me of the stoner weed legalization crusaders from my high school. A lot of "I know a guy who's 55 who smokes weed every day and he's rich with a family!" or "weed is medicine because it helps with anxiety and sleeping!". Yeah it might have it's place in medicine but anxiety, depression and trouble sleeping are BS excuses to be smoking. It's just a way for pot heads to justify smoking weed.

This goes for anything, not just weed. It's like people who smoke cigarettes because it "calms their nerves". Your brain can calm your nerves too but that takes a little bit of effort while smoking takes little to none. Pills are the same way. Some people take pills because they really need them and others justify it with BS excuses like stress and low levels of anxiety. These are normal every day human emotions that don't normally need any medication at all to work through. Yet for many doctors those are good enough excuses to get a bottle of pills every couple weeks.

[Carp]

I'd like to know when this was effective in changing a politician's mind and changing laws more so than a lot of people just breaking the law.


Are you really going to ask when starting a movement ever changed the law? Have you ever taken US History at all in your life?


Womens rights movement, organized labor movement/unions, ***E rights....

[yeezus]

No, that's not at all what I asked. I asked when a "write your local politician" movement was more effective than a "break the stupid law until it changes" movement. I don't believe writing to a politician will change their mind, and there's no evidence that it will accomplish anything. Please learn to read and stop straw manning me.

[yeezus]

A lot of RX drugs are for bogus symptoms. There's a pill for everything whether it's needed or not. Dude you act like you're the only one who's had anxiety or been depressed or had trouble sleeping. That's every day crap that millions of people every day put up with without taking pills or smoking weed. Yeah you can mentally work out depression. Not everyone can because some cases are more severe than others but not everyone has to take a pill or smoke weed to cover the symptoms either.

I wouldn't have said anything but the way you come across on this subject reminds me of the stoner weed legalization crusaders from my high school. A lot of "I know a guy who's 55 who smokes weed every day and he's rich with a family!" or "weed is medicine because it helps with anxiety and sleeping!". Yeah it might have it's place in medicine but anxiety, depression and trouble sleeping are BS excuses to be smoking. It's just a way for pot heads to justify smoking weed.

This goes for anything, not just weed. It's like people who smoke cigarettes because it "calms their nerves". Your brain can calm your nerves too but that takes a little bit of effort while smoking takes little to none. Pills are the same way. Some people take pills because they really need them and others justify it with BS excuses like stress and low levels of anxiety. These are normal every day human emotions that don't normally need any medication at all to work through. Yet for many doctors those are good enough excuses to get a bottle of pills every couple weeks.

Again, you just come across as very ignorant. For some people anxiety and depression (I'm not depressed, I used it as an example) are very real things that they can't "just work through." I've struggled with sleep since about 8th grade. Ill think about something little and when I'm trying to sleep, I make it a big deal. A doctor will just give me pills. I'd rather just smoke occasionally. I'm not a pothead. I don't smoke every day. In fact I went over a year without smoking simply because I don't want to. But when I'm at home at night with nothing to do, there's absolutely no reason someone should tell me I can't smoke, just like no on should tell someone not to have a few beers here and there. What is te difference?

I'm almost engaged, have a good job, will be graduating with an accounting degree soon. Weed has had no negative impact on my life (and I could EASILY argue positive). I don't blow tons of money on it. I'm never late for work bc of it and never smoke before work. I do it when it's night time and I need to wind down. Do I "need" it? Not at all. But...why not?

[ESP47]

Again, you just come across as very ignorant. For some people anxiety and depression (I'm not depressed, I used it as an example) are very real things that they can't "just work through." I've struggled with sleep since about 8th grade. Ill think about something little and when I'm trying to sleep, I make it a big deal. A doctor will just give me pills. I'd rather just smoke occasionally. I'm not a pothead. I don't smoke every day. In fact I went over a year without smoking simply because I don't want to. But when I'm at home at night with nothing to do, there's absolutely no reason someone should tell me I can't smoke, just like no on should tell someone not to have a few beers here and there. What is te difference?

I'm almost engaged, have a good job, will be graduating with an accounting degree soon. Weed has had no negative impact on my life (and I could EASILY argue positive). I don't blow tons of money on it. I'm never late for work bc of it and never smoke before work. I do it when it's night time and I need to wind down. Do I "need" it? Not at all. But...why not?

You know what I do when I'm laying in bed and I can't sleep because I keep thinking about stupid crap? I tell myself to stop thinking about stupid crap and then I stop thinking about stupid crap.

I don't care if people want to just sit and smoke weed at home or whatever but don't try and use this bro science to justify why weed should be legal. I have no sympathy for people who act like they need weed because they can't sleep or need to wind down. Welcome to the real world. If you have problems, deal with them like an adult. Put your big boy pants on and leave weed where it belongs in high school.

[yeezus]

You know what I do when I'm laying in bed and I can't sleep because I keep thinking about stupid crap? I tell myself to stop thinking about stupid crap and then I stop thinking about stupid crap.

I don't care if people want to just sit and smoke weed at home or whatever but don't try and use this bro science to justify why weed should be legal. I have no sympathy for people who act like they need weed because they can't sleep or need to wind down. Welcome to the real world. If you have problems, deal with them like an adult. Put your big boy pants on and leave weed where it belongs in high school.

So you mean to me :gasp: not EVERYONE is like YOU? Oooh the horror!

A lot of people can't put the anxiety of that test or other little anxieties out of Their head so easily. I've been trying to for years. If weed helps me do it and helps me sleep while having no negative impact on my life, who are you to tell ME it's not useful? You're also ignoring REAL science and doctors who back it for anxiety and relaxtion issues. You're you. Not everyone is, though. My life is great. Weed doesn't make it worse. And again you continue to say people use it instead of dealing with problems, which is not true at all. How else should I deal with a sleep problem? Just try and get over it? What's the point when weed is far more effective. Just stupid ignorance on your end.

And none of this is an argument against it being illegal. No one seems to want to make that case (they can't).

[Dalyn]

actually, that is a really good way to change a law sometimes

"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

[jpx7]

These are normal every day human emotions that don't normally need any medication at all to work through.

You don't just get to say that something is normal for everyone because you consider it "normal" for you.


You know what I do when I'm laying in bed and I can't sleep because I keep thinking about stupid crap? I tell myself to stop thinking about stupid crap and then I stop thinking about stupid crap.

All hail your massively powerful brain, which is not only able to master everything in your own life but also dictate the norms and expectations for all other humans!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z22XSICKBcs/T8yOS4WpW6I/AAAAAAAAEHM/riYKb9ehyUU/s640/brainspawn.jpg

[yeezus]

Pretty much every life problem I have I deal with without the use of weed. You keep saying the same thing over and over when it doesn't apply. Not being able to sleep because I have to get up early and have trouble sleeping? Why not just use weed? Am I much better person for trying unsuccessfully to fight through it?

[yeezus]

You don't just get to say that something is normal for everyone because you consider it "normal" for you.

This is something people who don't have those problems sometimes just cannot grasp.

[ESP47]

So you mean to me :gasp: not EVERYONE is like YOU? Oooh the horror!

A lot of people can't put the anxiety of that test or other little anxieties out of Their head so easily. I've been trying to for years. If weed helps me do it and helps me sleep while having no negative impact on my life, who are you to tell ME it's not useful? You're also ignoring REAL science and doctors who back it for anxiety and relaxtion issues. You're you. Not everyone is, though. My life is great. Weed doesn't make it worse. And again you continue to say people use it instead of dealing with problems, which is not true at all. How else should I deal with a sleep problem? Just try and get over it? What's the point when weed is far more effective. Just stupid ignorance on your end.

And none of this is an argument against it being illegal. No one seems to want to make that case (they can't).

That's like saying "How else should I deal with a weight problem? Just try to exercise and eat right? What's the point when diet pills are much more effective?". I'm not the only one with this big powerful brain you guys speak of. Literally millions of people all over the planet have these big powerful brains because they get over life's little issues on their own without taking drugs of any kind. If you want to believe all the BS you see on tv and hear from people that you need to take a drug for every little "problem" you come across in life then that's your choice because it's your body. There are people out there with real issues and then there are people out there that have trouble getting to sleep every once in a while. These aren't real problems. That's everyday **** we all deal with. Man up and deal with it or go cry with one of your fellow sympathizers and talk about how mean I am for thinking someone who can't get to sleep every once in a while doesn't need medication.

Anyway I think weed should be legal even though I think it's dumb. I'm just giving you crap about it because you're like the chop country internet avenger of weed.

[gilesfan]

Its because simply saying I like to get high isn't enough of justification so it warps into I need it to relax, sleep, function, etc.

[jpx7]

Its because simply saying I like to get high isn't enough of justification so it warps into I need it to relax, sleep, function, etc.

Personally, I think it is enough justification, considering the very substantial list of negatives and downsides associated with current cannabis policy in the US.

[gilesfan]

Personally, I think it is enough justification, considering the very substantial list of negatives and downsides associated with current cannabis policy in the US.

You have a good point. But, I'm talking about what potheads think.

[yeezus]

That's like saying "How else should I deal with a weight problem? Just try to exercise and eat right? What's the point when diet pills are much more effective?". I'm not the only one with this big powerful brain you guys speak of. Literally millions of people all over the planet have these big powerful brains because they get over life's little issues on their own without taking drugs of any kind. If you want to believe all the BS you see on tv and hear from people that you need to take a drug for every little "problem" you come across in life then that's your choice because it's your body. There are people out there with real issues and then there are people out there that have trouble getting to sleep every once in a while. These aren't real problems. That's everyday **** we all deal with. Man up and deal with it or go cry with one of your fellow sympathizers and talk about how mean I am for thinking someone who can't get to sleep every once in a while doesn't need medication.

Anyway I think weed should be legal even though I think it's dumb. I'm just giving you crap about it because you're like the chop country internet avenger of weed.

You're an idiot. Maybe not, but you sure sound like one.
Again, NO ONE SAID TO TAKE PILLS OR SMOKE WEED FOR EVERY LITTLE PROBLEM. Why is that so insanely difficult for you to comprehend?
Most diet pills have proven to be very bad for you and don't work. I don't take anything for any problems I have.
You can't say my sleeping problem isn't a "real" issue. These are the types of things that make you sound very ignorant. There were nights in high school I would get 3 hours of sleep if I were lucky. Is that not a problem? It had me falling asleep in class.

Again, why not just solve this problem by smoking a little weed? Can you answer that? I tried for years to be able to sleep peacefully every night. I can on most nights, but if I slept a little late or didn't exercise much, and I have to fall asleep early and wake up early, the easiest way to accomplish that is simply to smoke a little bit. Explain to me how that's harmful or stupid.

I congratulate you on being able to sleep easy. My gf is the same way, she'll put her head down and be out in 5 minutes. I'm not. I usually lie awake for an hour or so, and often times will wake up again after falling asleep. When I smoke? I sleep. Quickly, and all night.

You keep saying things like I "take drugs for every little problem," or I "can't sleep every once in a while." You don't know what you're talking about. If weed makes me sleep much better, why wouldn't I do it? Whether or not YOU think I need medication or not does not matter one bit. It benefits me to smoke a little bit to fall asleep and stay asleep. You cannot debate that.

[yeezus]

Its because simply saying I like to get high isn't enough of justification so it warps into I need it to relax, sleep, function, etc.

I won't deny I like to smoke. But, I don't do it every day or when I have important things to do. And yes, when I need to, I absolutely take it to fall asleep, because it is super effective for me.

[Carp]

No, that's not at all what I asked. I asked when a "write your local politician" movement was more effective than a "break the stupid law until it changes" movement. I don't believe writing to a politician will change their mind, and there's no evidence that it will accomplish anything. Please learn to read and stop straw manning me.



No that actually is not what you asked. You might want to reread what you actually wrote. You may meant it that way, but that is not what you said in your post.

[yeezus]

I'd like to know when this was effective in changing a politician's mind and changing laws more so than a lot of people just breaking the law.

That is precisely what I said. I said, in the above quote (I guess I'll paraphrase because it's the same exact thing), "When was writing to a politician more effective in changing their minds and laws than blatantly breaking the law."

When was "writing and calling local politicians" more effective than just breaking the law? That's what I said. I never, ever said "no movements have ever been or will ever be successful." What on earth are you talking about. I know you can't answer that question, which is why you're changing the argument (shocking).

[sturg33]

I still don't understand what gives the right to a bunch of people in DC to tell you that you can't consume something... I don't get it.

What is the difference between them saying "you can't smoke weed" and saying "you can't eat a cheeseburger?"

[acesfull86]

http://www.kvue.com/news/Father-of-murdered-foster-child-speaks-to-KVUE-218037541.html

But on Monday night, Hill’s daughter Alexandria, or Alex as they liked to call her, was rushed to a Rockdale hospital with severe head injuries, then flown to Scott and White Children’s Emergency Hospital in Temple and immediately placed on life support.

Alex was living with foster parents after DFPS removed her from her parent's home last November for "neglectful supervision."

Hill admits they were smoking pot when their daughter was asleep.

“We never hurt our daughter. She was never sick, she was never in the hospital, and she never had any issues until she went into state care.”

For two months, Alex was placed in a home that Hill says was dangerous.

“She would come to visitation with bruises on her, and mold and mildew in her bag. It got to a point where I actually told CPS that they would have to have me arrested because I wouldn't let her go back."

In January, CPS placed her with Sherill Small in Rockdale, and Hill says things seemed safe there.

“They listened, they paid attention when we had concerns, they tried to keep us in the loop, but in the end, it wasn't enough."

Hill got the call Monday night that his daughter was in a Temple hospital.

“They wouldn't tell me what condition she was in or what was wrong or what had happened. The only thing they would tell me is I needed to be there. When I got there, I found out that Alex was in a coma."

For two days, they held out hope she would regain consciousness but on Wednesday night Alex was taken off life support.

Rockdale detectives say Small's explanation didn't match Alex’s injuries, so Thursday they arrested the foster mother on murder charges.

Hill says he was less than four months away from getting Alex back and now he'll never get the chance.

CPS removed another child from the foster home on Monday after Alex was rushed to the hospital.

Small’s bond is set at $100,000.

Officials with the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services tell KVUE they rely on private child placing agencies to perform background checks on all foster homes.

The agency in this case is called Texas Mentor and state records show 15 total deficiencies for the Austin branch of that agency over the past two years.

Four of those deficiencies were for failing to perform proper background checks on people who live in foster homes.

The state does not specify which homes were involved in those cases.

[yeezus]

Good thing they took the girl out of that evil pot-smoking home.

[goldfly]

i love the argument of "if you continue to defy a societies stance on an issue, even though we agree that it is a dumb stance, that you are the problem and not the society"

[yeezus]

i love the argument of "if you continue to defy a societies stance on an issue, even though we agree that it is a dumb stance, that you are the problem and not the society"

That's carpe for you. Not much logic.

[yeezus]

I'd still love for you to explain to me what I meant by my very obvious quote carp.

[Carp]

That is precisely what I said. I said, in the above quote (I guess I'll paraphrase because it's the same exact thing), "When was writing to a politician more effective in changing their minds and laws than blatantly breaking the law."

When was "writing and calling local politicians" more effective than just breaking the law? That's what I said. I never, ever said "no movements have ever been or will ever be successful." What on earth are you talking about. I know you can't answer that question, which is why you're changing the argument (shocking).


No, it was not the exact same thing. You replied to my entire quote and said (no paraphrasing, exact quote)

"Id like to know when this was effective in changing a politician's mind and changing laws more so than a lot of people just breaking the law."

[Carp]

That's carpe for you. Not much logic.

yeah considering I never even remotely even said that....

I said it was your own fault if you caught when you knew the law, regardless if you agree with the law or not. Again, you're reading comprehension is terrible. I've pointed out at least 4 times in this thread that I understood your point, and hell I even agreed that it should be legal.

[Carp]

I'd still love for you to explain to me what I meant by my very obvious quote carp.

Your "very obvious quote" was actually very opaque, considering you were responding to three separate scenarios and did not specify in any way which one I was referring to. Would seem pretty obvious to the untrained eye you were replying to the whole quote and not simply one portion of it.

[yeezus]

Your "very obvious quote" was actually very opaque, considering you were responding to three separate scenarios and did not specify in any way which one I was referring to. Would seem pretty obvious to the untrained eye you were replying to the whole quote and not simply one portion of it.

Wouldn't a bunch of people breaking the law on purpose be considered a movement? So when I referenced politicians in response to your reference to politicians, you didn't understand what I was talking about?

[yeezus]

yeah considering I never even remotely even said that....

I said it was your own fault if you caught when you knew the law, regardless if you agree with the law or not. Again, you're reading comprehension is terrible. I've pointed out at least 4 times in this thread that I understood your point, and hell I even agreed that it should be legal.

No, that is what you said. You said we should obey the law even though it's stupid, and that if we break it, we're the problem..not the law you find stupid.

[Carp]

if we break it, we're the problem..not the law you find stupid.

plz show me where I said that

[Carp]

Wouldn't a bunch of people breaking the law on purpose be considered a movement? So when I referenced politicians in response to your reference to politicians, you didn't understand what I was talking about?

I don't know. Would you consider thieves part of a movement since more people commit theft than any other crime?

And considering that politicians are the ones that can change laws (what my quote was referencing) , then no

[sturg33]

I don't know. Would you consider thieves part of a movement since more people commit theft than any other crime?

And considering that politicians are the ones that can change laws (what my quote was referencing) , then no

LOL

[CK86]

Legalize it so we can tax the hell out of it.

[sturg33]

Legalize it so we can tax the hell out of it.

Or legalize it so we can pretend that we are actually a nation of freedom.

[yeezus]

I don't know. Would you consider thieves part of a movement since more people commit theft than any other crime?

And considering that politicians are the ones that can change laws (what my quote was referencing) , then no

This response doesn't even really deserve a response, as thievery and weed smoking is apples to potatoes.
I guess black people should have written to politicians in order to change laws against them. I mean, these politicians were totally unaware, and if they saw that people were upset, they'd have done something! Right???

[CK86]

Or legalize it so we can pretend that we are actually a nation of freedom.

That's a good reason too but we aren't actually a nation of freedom anymore so I didn't think it would be a valid argument.

[acesfull86]

link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/marijuana-activist-killed-drunk-driver-article-1.1447124)

After spending years of her life trying to convince people that marijuana is safer than alcohol, activist Jennifer Friede was tragically killed by a drunk driver over the weekend.

The Denver medical examiner's office said Friede, 34, died while traveling on Interstate 25 early Saturday when a car going the wrong way smashed into the vehicle she and her boyfriend were riding in.

[Dalyn]

link (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/marijuana-activist-killed-drunk-driver-article-1.1447124)

After spending years of her life trying to convince people that marijuana is safer than alcohol, activist Jennifer Friede was tragically killed by a drunk driver over the weekend.

The Denver medical examiner's office said Friede, 34, died while traveling on Interstate 25 early Saturday when a car going the wrong way smashed into the vehicle she and her boyfriend were riding in.

Some people will stop at nothing to make a point. :mad0182:

[Gary82]

Some people will stop at nothing to make a point. :mad0182:

I laughed at this comment. I am a terrible person.