Kimbrel/Melvin Trade Thread

[Hawk]

Kiley McDaniel
@kileymcd
Source: B.J. Upton has been traded to the Padres

Edit: Or I may have been seriously duped.

[dak]

!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rawwr]

it's an easter miracle

[50PoundHead]

It's April 5, not April 1.

[Hawk]

He's also now saying that they traded Kimbrel. Can't be real?

[Hawk]

MLBTR is going with it as legitimate. Holy ****.

[Hawk]

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
Hearing Maybin and Quentin going to #Braves. Kimbrel and Melvin Upton to #Padres, per @kileymcd. Likely more involved.

I'm ****ting all over myself right now.

[Hawk]

Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
Wisler in the deal going to Braves.

[chop2chip]

@kileymcd: Source: Matt Wisler, Carlos Quentin and Cameron Maybin headed to Atlanta in the Upton/Kimbrel deal.

[dak]

This is awesome!

@jonmorosi: Wisler in the deal going to Braves.

[50PoundHead]

Saw the Kimbrel inclusion. I figured there would have to be a legitimate player shipped with Upton to get a deal done. Odd timing.

[Hawk]

I don't even know how to react to this.

[Hawk]

Keithlaw keithlaw
Source tells me Atlanta to get number 41 overall draft pick in trade with Padres

Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
Jordan Paroubeck has been discussed in deal as well.

[dak]

keithlaw: Source tells me Atlanta to get number 41 overall draft pick in trade with Padres

[Hawk]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
It's true: #Braves have traded KImbrel and Upton to the Padres, but there's more to come.

[Hawk]

Kiley McDaniel
@kileymcd
So, as best I understand it now, ATL sends Kimbrel and BJ Upton to SD for Carlos Quentin, Cameron Maybin, Matt Wisler and Jordan Paroubeck

[MadduxFanII]

Uh...holy ****.

[MadduxFanII]

I guess I can't complain about the half-ass re-build any more.

[parkvadawg]

I can't believe this front office

[CrimsonCowboy]

Do What????? I just driving to Pensacola and I see this????

[parkvadawg]

Can we have Wren back please?

[zitothebrave]

Well, damn. Kimbrel gone. Damn damn damn.

Wish we got more prospects.

[Hawk]

Braves appear to be saving a helluva lot of money here, too.

[MadduxFanII]

Don't know much about Paroubeck, but he was a second-round pick in 2013 and had a really nice debut season as a switch-hitting left field in rookie ball last year.

[50PoundHead]

Wisler and Paroubeck look to be good-to-very good prospects. Not enamored with either Maybin or Quentin. Hope the draft pick is included.

Sad to see Kimbrel gone. A ton of money is now off the books. Curious to see how (and if and when) it is used.

[zitothebrave]

Braves appear to be saving a helluva lot of money here, too.

To bring Jason Heyward or Justin Upton back, but more likely to stash away. There's dick in FA. Aside from Price and Zimmerman there isn't even a really great FA pitcher unless Greinke opts out. So we'll have money to burn in a weak market, not a great scenario.

[dak]

So much to compute, but my gut reaction seeing all the parts is that this is a great trade for us.

[drewdat]

Love Kimbrel, but it didn't make sense wasting his arb years as a non-contender. And once he hits FA, I'm not sure it would make sense unless our budget changes significantly.

[sturg33]

This is what we needed to do... Dump BJ and use Kimbrel to do it.. money saved is worth it.

I guess the brothers will be reunited

[Julio3000]

In a Mukaki rebuild, you never know what direction it's coming from.

[Hawk]

So much to compute, but my gut reaction seeing all the parts is that this is a great trade for us.

Agreed. We get one stellar (top 50) prospect, one high-ceiling guy, a rebound candidate who had a great spring and is only 28 (and contract controlled for the next two years), a draft pick, and saved a boatload of cash.

And Carlos Quentin.

I hate to see Kimbrel go, but this was the way to do it.

[Hawk]

Ben Badler
@BenBadler
Matt Wisler is the best prospect the Braves have added this offseason. Throws strikes, two plus pitches, durable, near-MLB ready.

[Heyward]

Thats a big deal, umm interesting.

[MadduxFanII]

If you consider Melvin an utter non-entity (and he surely is), Quentin a one-year guy to soak up some ABs and even up the cash and Maybin a buy-low candidate, we basically traded Kimbrel for Wisler, Paroubeck and the 41st. That's not a sizzling return, but throw in the rest of Upton's contract and I think you have a pretty solid deal.

I would probably have preferred getting another handful of prospects instead of Quentin and Maybin, but I would wager those two were non-negotiables on San Diego's end.

[zbhargrove]

I'm utterly shocked! I did't see this coming from 2 feet away... I think I love this

[50PoundHead]

So does Gomes get released as a result of the trade?

[Heyward]

To bring Jason Heyward or Justin Upton back, but more likely to stash away. There's dick in FA. Aside from Price and Zimmerman there isn't even a really great FA pitcher unless Greinke opts out. So we'll have money to burn in a weak market, not a great scenario.

There's a TON of good SP's on the market next winter.

Cueto as well as others.

[Hawk]

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
Rival official on OF Jordan Pouerbeck, who is going to #Braves. “Tools. Good body. Very raw in baseball talent and acumen. Hit or miss type”

[sturg33]

What a great freakin trade. To unload BJ's and Kimbrel's money AND to get a top prospect and a player I like in Maybin is a great haul.

Well done John Hart

[JohnAdcox]

I am never leaving town again.

[50PoundHead]

If you consider Melvin an utter non-entity (and he surely is), Quentin a one-year guy to soak up some ABs and even up the cash and Maybin a buy-low candidate, we basically traded Kimbrel for Wisler, Paroubeck and the 41st. That's not a sizzling return, but throw in the rest of Upton's contract and I think you have a pretty solid deal.

I would probably have preferred getting another handful of prospects instead of Quentin and Maybin, but I would wager those two were non-negotiables on San Diego's end.

If not my exact thoughts, pretty darn close. I didn't realize that Maybin is making the kind of money he's making: $7 MM in 2015, $8 MM in 2016, and $9 MM in 2017.

[Hawk]

Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
#Braves save $19.35M swap Upton for Maybin/Quentin. More vital owe nothing after ’16 heading to new stadium in ‘17

[gilesfan]

Cant really complain about it. Seems like decent deal for both sides.

[Garmel]

They took all of BJ's money? That's fantastic!

[MadduxFanII]

I hope Freddie's comfortable doing a lot of PR, because he and Simmons are pretty much it in terms of marketing.

[Hawk]

Chris Cotillo
@ChrisCotillo
Melvin/BJ Upton will be owed $46.35M to be #Padres fourth outfielder for next three seasons.

[Hawk]

And now reality slowly sets in:

Jayson Stark
@jaysonst
When I asked this spring about the possibility #Braves could trade Kimbrel this year I was told they had Grilli & Johnson as backups in case

[dak]

This echos how I feel about the Padres end of this.

@matthewpouliot: Kimbrel is awesome. But the Padres just took on a horrible contract and gave their top SP prospect for something they didn't really need.

[Freshmaker]

Woah!!! Outta nowhere!

[zitothebrave]

There's a TON of good SP's on the market next winter.

Cueto as well as others.

FA SP

Brett Anderson
Bronson Arroyo *
Clay Buchholz *
Mark Buehrle
A.J. Burnett
Trevor Cahill *
Chris Capuano
Jhoulys Chacin
Wei-Yin Chen
Bartolo Colon
Johnny Cueto
Ross Detwiler
R.A. Dickey *
Marco Estrada
Doug Fister
Gavin Floyd
Yovani Gallardo
Jaime Garcia
Zack Greinke (opt-out)
Jeremy Guthrie *
J.A. Happ
Dan Haren
Tim Hudson
Hisashi Iwakuma
Scott Kazmir
Ian Kennedy
John Lackey
Mat Latos
Mike Leake
Colby Lewis
Tim Lincecum
Kyle Lohse
Justin Masterson
Brandon Morrow
Bud Norris
Mike Pelfrey
Rick Porcello
David Price
Jeff Samardzija
Alfredo Simon
Jerome Williams
Jordan Zimmerman

Asterisks are options.

Of that group, only Price and Zimmerman are great SP. Good SP is fine but Johnny ****ing Cueto isn't a difference maker. Sure he wouldn't be a bad add at all. But he's not a 1. He's not a guy I throw money at.

[Hawk]

I'm going to go ahead and slap a Braves jersey on David Price.

[Hawk]

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The #Padres just took on an extra $66.8 million in salary commitments with their #Braves trade.

[yeezus]

Cant really complain about it. Seems like decent deal for both sides.

I'm not even kidding I think you'd be jizzing your pants if the Nats made this deal from the Braves perspective.

this is a great great trade. I think those who criticized everything this off-season have to love this one. some were calling for dealing kimbrel and to get this return for a close who isn't even particularly cheap anymore is 100% as close to selling at highest value as you can get.

[NinersSBChamps]

Lol. It's obvious this front office does not even want to begin to attempt to win anytime soon.

[dak]

This.

@Joelsherman1: #Braves also get out of 3-$34M with Kimbrel. They were going to have an elite/expensive closer for few yrs with bad team. Didn’t make sense

[sturg33]

FA SP

Brett Anderson
Bronson Arroyo *
Clay Buchholz *
Mark Buehrle
A.J. Burnett
Trevor Cahill *
Chris Capuano
Jhoulys Chacin
Wei-Yin Chen
Bartolo Colon
Johnny Cueto
Ross Detwiler
R.A. Dickey *
Marco Estrada
Doug Fister
Gavin Floyd
Yovani Gallardo
Jaime Garcia
Zack Greinke (opt-out)
Jeremy Guthrie *
J.A. Happ
Dan Haren
Tim Hudson
Hisashi Iwakuma
Scott Kazmir
Ian Kennedy
John Lackey
Mat Latos
Mike Leake
Colby Lewis
Tim Lincecum
Kyle Lohse
Justin Masterson
Brandon Morrow
Bud Norris
Mike Pelfrey
Rick Porcello
David Price
Jeff Samardzija
Alfredo Simon
Jerome Williams
Jordan Zimmerman

Asterisks are options.

Of that group, only Price and Zimmerman are great SP. Good SP is fine but Johnny ****ing Cueto isn't a difference maker. Sure he wouldn't be a bad add at all. But he's not a 1. He's not a guy I throw money at.

Cueto is a beast if healthy

[50PoundHead]

Chris Cotillo
@ChrisCotillo
Melvin/BJ Upton will be owed $46.35M to be #Padres fourth outfielder for next three seasons.

Chris Cotillo is an optimist if he thinks Melvin is going to be the 4th OF. Pinch-runner deluxe.

[zitothebrave]

I'm going to go ahead and slap a Braves jersey on David Price.

Guess it depends on if the Yankees wnat ot come knocking. I don't think they will but IIRC they were salivating over him.

[NinersSBChamps]

To not even get a serviceable ML player for Craig Kimbrel is laughable. It's amazing how clueless people can have jobs in this front office.

[Orphan Black]

I wish nothing but the best for Kimbrel, but can't believe someone took on Melvin's contract.

I wonder if Wisler makes an impact this season.

What's with the draft pick trading...I didn't think they did that in baseball.

[zitothebrave]

Cueto is a beast if healthy

Cueto has a career 94 FIP-, hardly a beast. Good pitche,r and he has some great seasons, but he also has some mediocre ones.

[50PoundHead]

I wish nothing but the best for Kimbrel, but can't believe someone took on Melvin's contract.

I wonder if Wisler makes an impact this season.

What's with the draft pick trading...I didn't think they did that in baseball.

Competitive balance picks are tradeable.

[MadduxFanII]

If not my exact thoughts, pretty darn close. I didn't realize that Maybin is making the kind of money he's making: $7 MM in 2015, $8 MM in 2016, and $9 MM in 2017.

I guess the only questions are how much we lowered Kimbrel's value by chaining him to Upton and whether we would have been better off with the additional assets from trading Kimbrel straight up. Could we have gotten Renfroe as well if it had just been Kimbrel?

Still, hypotheticals. I'm satisfied with this.

[sturg33]

To not even get a serviceable ML player for Craig Kimbrel is laughable. It's amazing how clueless people can have jobs in this front office.

Your lack of knowledge is astounding... this is a great trade.

[dak]

I kinda feel bad for Craig and for all the casual Braves fans out there who don't get this, but this seems flat-out awesome.

[sturg33]

I guess the only questions are how much we lowered Kimbrel's value by chaining him to Upton and whether we would have been better off with the additional assets from trading Kimbrel straight up. Could we have gotten Renfroe as well if it had just been Kimbrel?

Still, hypotheticals. I'm satisfied with this.

I don't think many prospects would have been worth the money saved from dumping Upton

[Perfect Cell]

Why did we sign Nick Markakis again?

[NinersSBChamps]

Your lack of knowledge is astounding... this is a great trade.

Oh it must be because people on a message board say so.

[Tapate50]

To not even get a serviceable ML player for Craig Kimbrel is laughable. It's amazing how clueless people can have jobs in this front office.

You are a looney

[jsebe10]

Your lack of knowledge is astounding... this is a great trade.

MLB The Show 14' mentality.

[UNCBlue012]

I hate seeing Craig go, but holy crap. What a deal. This makes us way worse this year but down the road, dang. That's what, 80 million freed?

[zitothebrave]

Why did we sign Nick Markakis again?

Braves need a money pit. Markakis is filling an important role that BJ just left.

[Orphan Black]

Maybin's 2017 salary is an option with a 1 million dollar buyout.

[50PoundHead]

I guess the only questions are how much we lowered Kimbrel's value by chaining him to Upton and whether we would have been better off with the additional assets from trading Kimbrel straight up. Could we have gotten Renfroe as well if it had just been Kimbrel?

Still, hypotheticals. I'm satisfied with this.

True. I guess the hardest thing to do in baseball is gauge the value of a bad contract, which the elder Upton's clearly was.

[Oklahomabrave]

I truly hate to lose Kimbrel, but this is a fantastic trade. Quentin is a salary dump but can be bought out at the end of the year. I actually like Maybin. He either rebounds and we keep him or trade him for additional young talent or simply pay a 1 million buyout and he's off the books for 2017. Either way he actually is an upgrade at CF this and next year.

Add to that we get their best pitching prospect and another top 15-20 propsect of theirs PLUS a high draft pick? This is a slam dunk win of a trade, and in my opinion our best move of the offseason.

Bottom line is we freed up a huge amount of future commitments, got our best prospect of the offseason, added a draft pick for a reliever. The best reliever in the game, yes. But still a reliever.

[50PoundHead]

Why did we sign Nick Markakis again?

I ask that daily.

[Hawk]

Now watch the Braves sign Rafael Soriano.

[NinersSBChamps]

You are a looney

The best closer in baseball by a wide margin nets us two bad outfielders and some minor league players. Such an awesome deal!!!

[Orphan Black]

And unless Quentin is really good this season he doesn't make the games played for the 3 million buyout for next years option to kick in.

[NinersSBChamps]

This team is gonna struggle to win 60 games after they just handed Kimbrel over to San Diego.

[mossy]

Shocked. Wish we got more back, but anyone taking BJ AND Kimbrels entire contracts must be the difference.

That said........we'll be rooting for the laundry in 2015.

Still totally shocked. Goodbye Craig! :(

[sturg33]

The best closer in baseball by a wide margin nets us two bad outfielders and some minor league players. Such an awesome deal!!!

You just can't be this stupid... so nice trolling

[zitothebrave]

Now watch the Braves sign Rafael Soriano.

Is Bob Wickman still interested in pitchign?

[sturg33]

The best closer in baseball by a wide margin nets us two bad outfielders and some minor league players. Such an awesome deal!!!

You just can't be this stupid... so nice trolling

[chop2chip]

Now watch the Braves sign Rafael Soriano.
I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened yet.

[Julio3000]

Yeah, I'm sure that being on the same team with his brother will really get Melvin back in the swing of things.

[thethe]

What a brilliant trade. Thats even more than I thought we would get for Kimbrel straight up and we got to dump Upton. WOWOWOWOWOWO

[chop2chip]

This team is gonna struggle to win 60 games after they just handed Kimbrel over to San Diego.

Let's hope so. The 2016 draft is supposedly loaded.

[Perfect Cell]

Yeah, I'm sure that being on the same team with his brother will really get Melvin back in the swing of things.



If Im SanDiego i do whatever it takes to keep Justin happy. It isnt about whatever you get out of BJ.

[MadduxFanII]

There's a certain kind of joy that comes from knowing your team has a lights-out closer. And I don't think we've ever had a pitcher that made me laugh in disbelief more often than Kimbrel. Major League hitters should not look as bad as they routinely did against Craig- check out Ian Desmond's batting line against Kimbrel next time you get a chance, then look at the contract Desmond will get this off-season.

Thanks for all the good times, Craig. Enjoy Petco.

[zitothebrave]

Yeah, I'm sure that being on the same team with his brother will really get Melvin back in the swing of things.

If BJ becomes a servicable MLB player in San Diego I'll rage kill Fredi.

[Perfect Cell]

If BJ becomes a servicable MLB player in San Diego I'll rage kill Fredi.



He needs to be canned. Hopefully by July.

[Orphan Black]

Braves are sending 24 million to the Padres too so not as good...basically it becomes Upton + 24 million for Quentin and Maybin (which balances salary wise), and Kimbrel for Wisler, the outfielder and the draft pick...still not terrible though

[drewdat]

And unless Quentin is really good this season he doesn't make the games played for the 3 million buyout for next years option to kick in.

He's only played 132 games since 2013 and has to hit 320 to satisfy the buyout clause. Unless I'm missing something, he can't make it.

[FreemanFan]

I need to research the prospects, but at first glance this looks like a good deal. I hate losing Kimbrel, but he wouldn't have saved many games this year.

[Five]

Sucks to see CK gone, but this is a good deal for us fellas.

[chop2chip]

If Im SanDiego i do whatever it takes to keep Justin happy. It isnt about whatever you get out of BJ.
Wouldn't paying Justin BJ's money do the trick?

[Perfect Cell]

Braves are sending 24 million to the Padres too so not as good...basically it becomes Upton + 24 million for Quentin and Maybin (which balances salary wise), and Kimbrel for Wisler, the outfielder and the draft pick...still not terrible though



So Basically Kimbrel for Wisler an OF and the draft pick. Not an "amazing winner of a deal". Not terrible. But not amazing.

[NinersSBChamps]

Let's hope so. The 2016 draft is supposedly loaded.

Oh yeah the Braves have been awesome in the draft lately. Alex Wood is the only player the last three seasons.

[Orphan Black]

He's only played 132 games since 2013 and has to hit 320 to satisfy the buyout clause. Unless I'm missing something, he can't make it.

You're right...I was including 2012

[50PoundHead]

There's a certain kind of joy that comes from knowing your team has a lights-out closer. And I don't think we've ever had a pitcher that made me laugh in disbelief more often than Kimbrel. Major League hitters should not look as bad as they routinely did against Craig- check out Ian Desmond's batting line against Kimbrel next time you get a chance, then look at the contract Desmond will get this off-season.

Thanks for all the good times, Craig. Enjoy Petco.

Former Twins' manager Tom Kelly was a crank, but he always stressed the psychological value of having a strong closer. A lot of folks don't put much stock in the "between the ears" part of the game, but you watch a team with a shaky closer and often times, they get out of sync trying to put games away. You want to hand the ball to a guy and have thew team know full well that if the lead isn't held, it's an aberration and not a portent.

[keithlaw]

I love Kimbrel but this is an amazing deal. Seriously can't believe it

[Perfect Cell]

Wouldn't paying Justin BJ's money do the trick?



If theres 3 other teams paying Justin BJS money as well then no. If you can offer the same money plus your brother for the next 3 years.. Hes going to stay in San Diego.

[thethe]

Oh yeah the Braves have been awesome in the draft lately. Alex Wood is the only player the last three seasons.

We actually brought back the guys that knew what they were doing in the draft. Its going to be a new time soon for the Braves.

[keithlaw]

There's a certain kind of joy that comes from knowing your team has a lights-out closer. And I don't think we've ever had a pitcher that made me laugh in disbelief more often than Kimbrel. Major League hitters should not look as bad as they routinely did against Craig- check out Ian Desmond's batting line against Kimbrel next time you get a chance, then look at the contract Desmond will get this off-season.

Thanks for all the good times, Craig. Enjoy Petco.
I totally agree. We still robbed them blind

[57Brave]

This off season has been like the day Michael became a Godfather.

Waiting for the scene in the driveway where Fredi says " c'mon Bobby -- for old times "

[Perfect Cell]

Former Twins' manager Tom Kelly was a crank, but he always stressed the psychological value of having a strong closer. A lot of folks don't put much stock in the "between the ears" part of the game, but you watch a team with a shaky closer and often times, they get out of sync trying to put games away. You want to hand the ball to a guy and have thew team know full well that if the lead isn't held, it's an aberration and not a portent.



I still remember Craigs face when the camera would go to the bullpen during that playoff series vs the Dodgers. Made me love the guy even more (and hate Freddi more)

[chop2chip]

Braves are sending 24 million to the Padres too so not as good...basically it becomes Upton + 24 million for Quentin and Maybin (which balances salary wise), and Kimbrel for Wisler, the outfielder and the draft pick...still not terrible though
Where did you read we were sending money? The reports I have read says the contrary.

[zitothebrave]

Braves are sending 24 million to the Padres too so not as good...basically it becomes Upton + 24 million for Quentin and Maybin (which balances salary wise), and Kimbrel for Wisler, the outfielder and the draft pick...still not terrible though

24M? Damn I don't like it anywhere near as much now. Before I was in the it makes good baseball sense even if we traded our current most marketable player. Including half of BJ's salary while takign on Quentin is terrible. Quentin was an absolute SVOD last year. -0.9 fWAR in 50 games is pathetic.

[thethe]

Where did you read we were sending money? The reports I have read says the contrary.

Yeah, I'm not seeing that either.

[Orphan Black]

Where did you read we were sending money? The reports I have read says the contrary.

I just saw it on mlbtraderumors. Haven't seen it anywhere else

[chop2chip]

If theres 3 other teams paying Justin BJS money as well then no. If you can offer the same money plus your brother for the next 3 years.. Hes going to stay in San Diego.my point is they could offer a lot more if they didn't have BJ on the books.

[NinersSBChamps]

Oh gosh I hope Hart is sending the Padres money too. It's an awesome trade!!!

[drewdat]

My favorite is all the reactions about being excited for the season until this move. LOL. Like, if you're that fair-weather, then how are you still here?

[thethe]

Whats great is that Wisler could still use a bit more AAA seasoning. Works well to all him up next season after they find out what to do with Minor and Cahil.

Top 4 next year of Teheran/Wood/Miller/Wisler

Thats a great core to build around in the starting rotation.

[sturg33]

What's the outlook on Maybin... He's gotta be an improvement over EY and Melvin, yes?

[chop2chip]

Hate the Braves moves all you want, but they are loaded with young arms.

[Heyward]

What a great freakin trade. To unload BJ's and Kimbrel's money AND to get a top prospect and a player I like in Maybin is a great haul.

Well done John Hart

As much crap as i give you, you have mentioned trading BJ/Kimbrel together.

I was about to eat dinner, and saw on my TL on twitter BJ got traded, kinda figured Kimbrel would be traded, pretty nice haul.

[chop2chip]

24M? Damn I don't like it anywhere near as much now. Before I was in the it makes good baseball sense even if we traded our current most marketable player. Including half of BJ's salary while takign on Quentin is terrible. Quentin was an absolute SVOD last year. -0.9 fWAR in 50 games is pathetic.
They aren't sending any money.

[NinersSBChamps]

My favorite is all the reactions about being excited for the season until this move. LOL. Like, if you're that fair-weather, then how are you still here?

Anyone who was excited for this season needs to get their heads examined.

[50PoundHead]

The Braves aren't sending the Padres any money. The Padres get salary relief from dumping Quentin and Maybin. I believe that is what the writer at MLB Trade Rumors was referring to.

[NinersSBChamps]

What's the outlook on Maybin... He's gotta be an improvement over EY and Melvin, yes?

A blind sloth is better than the thief who played center field.

[thethe]

What's the outlook on Maybin... He's gotta be an improvement over EY and Melvin, yes?

At least defensively I think he would have to be. But he has been awful offensively now for some time.

[50PoundHead]

What's the outlook on Maybin... He's gotta be an improvement over EY and Melvin, yes?

I think it will safely ensconce EY, Jr., as the 4th OF.

[gilesfan]

Im not sure we are competitive in the next 3 years so I think the value of trading BJ is lowered. If we could have traded Kimbrel on his own and got more, then i would do that.

But good trade overall. Im guessing Pads wanted kimbrel so braves said take upton so Pads said take Maybin and Quentin.

Still solid pieces for devalued Kimbrel. We dont have a need for him under this contract.

[thethe]

Hate the Braves moves all you want, but they are loaded with young arms.

Wonder if they are thinking about capitalizing on Wood before the inevitable injury.

[gilesfan]

The Braves aren't sending the Padres any money. The Padres get salary relief from dumping Quentin and Maybin. I believe that is what the writer at MLB Trade Rumors was referring to.

Yes.

And there is at least some hipe that Maybin hits outside of SD

[Heyward]

FA SP

Brett Anderson
Bronson Arroyo *
Clay Buchholz *
Mark Buehrle
A.J. Burnett
Trevor Cahill *
Chris Capuano
Jhoulys Chacin
Wei-Yin Chen
Bartolo Colon
Johnny Cueto
Ross Detwiler
R.A. Dickey *
Marco Estrada
Doug Fister
Gavin Floyd
Yovani Gallardo
Jaime Garcia
Zack Greinke (opt-out)
Jeremy Guthrie *
J.A. Happ
Dan Haren
Tim Hudson
Hisashi Iwakuma
Scott Kazmir
Ian Kennedy
John Lackey
Mat Latos
Mike Leake
Colby Lewis
Tim Lincecum
Kyle Lohse
Justin Masterson
Brandon Morrow
Bud Norris
Mike Pelfrey
Rick Porcello
David Price
Jeff Samardzija
Alfredo Simon
Jerome Williams
Jordan Zimmerman

Asterisks are options.

Of that group, only Price and Zimmerman are great SP. Good SP is fine but Johnny ****ing Cueto isn't a difference maker. Sure he wouldn't be a bad add at all. But he's not a 1. He's not a guy I throw money at.

Cueto isnt Felix/Kershaw/Bumgarner, etc, but when healthy he's a legit #1.

[thethe]

Im not sure we are competitive in the next 3 years so I think the value of trading BJ is lowered. If we could have traded Kimbrel on his own and got more, then i would do that.

But good trade overall. Im guessing Pads wanted kimbrel so braves said take upton so Pads said take Maybin and Quentin.

Still solid pieces for devalued Kimbrel. We dont have a need for him under this contract.

Yeah, considering Upton was attached I think we got real good value for Kimbrel. Wisler is highly regarded and scouts so far have liked Paroubecks bat.

[chop2chip]

Wonder if they are thinking about capitalizing on Wood before the inevitable injury.
Ehhh... I doubt it. If he gets hurt they have time to let him heal.

[zitothebrave]

What's the outlook on Maybin... He's gotta be an improvement over EY and Melvin, yes?

Maybin is very meh. He was really good in 2011, 12 he was solid, 13 he was hurt and terrible, 14 he was pretty bad. Pretty much equal to Bossman last year.

Him at his best is a good defensive CF with slightly below average offense.

[NinersSBChamps]

Im not sure we are competitive in the next 3 years so I think the value of trading BJ is lowered. If we could have traded Kimbrel on his own and got more, then i would do that.

But good trade overall. Im guessing Pads wanted kimbrel so braves said take upton so Pads said take Maybin and Quentin.

Still solid pieces for devalued Kimbrel. We dont have a need for him under this contract.

How can it be a good trade with solid pieces in return? You just said we aren't competing in three years. What's the point then.

[Heyward]

Im not a prospect junkie, how good is Wisler?

[gilesfan]

Nice trade anaylsis Yeezus. Do you add anything to the board? Instead of stating your opinion, you are worried abput mine?

Obsessed?

[NinersSBChamps]

Im not a prospect junkie, how good is Wisler?

Within the hour he'll be the next Kershaw or Verlander in his prime.

[Garmel]

We got Paroubeck in the trade too. Very nice.

[zitothebrave]

Cueto isnt Felix/Kershaw/Bumgarner, etc, but when healthy he's a legit #1.

No, unless you consider like the 1 year or 2 years he's posted great numbers to just happen to be the healthy years. And why would you want to pay for a 30 year old with history of injuries?

[devilsbballfan]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
braves plan to DFA quentin. can help an AL team. doesnt belong in NL. just balanced the $ in trade.

[keithlaw]

Im not a prospect junkie, how good is Wisler?

Very good. I believe he's our #1 prospect now according to BA.

[Orphan Black]

I'm confused...how are the Padres getting 24 million in salary relief...even for this season they are taking on salary in the deal.

[Dalyn]

Hate to see Kimbrel go, but when you also factor in that we likely jumped a couple slots in the draft for this year AND next, I think it's a win. But, no doubt about it, we will remember how bad the 9th sucked before Kimbrel and that position will prove the hardest to fill and will be a huge weakness in 2017.

[Heyward]

This team is gonna struggle to win 60 games after they just handed Kimbrel over to San Diego.

No problem with me, gives the Braves a protected pick if they wanna sign a big name pitcher.

[zitothebrave]

Wonder if they are thinking about capitalizing on Wood before the inevitable injury.

They should consider trading him if someone makes the right offensive prospect or talent.

[The Chosen One]

I just woke up from a nap. I don't know whether to love this insanity or hate it.

[NinersSBChamps]

No problem with me, gives the Braves a protected pick if they wanna sign a big name pitcher.
They will manage to screw up with whatever free agent they sign.

[Orphan Black]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
braves plan to DFA quentin. can help an AL team. doesnt belong in NL. just balanced the $ in trade.

Ha...didn't think he had a place on the team.

[Tapate50]

So what are our draft slots now?

[zitothebrave]

I just woke up from a nap. I don't know whether to love this insanity or hate it.

I thought you were 20 something, not 50 something.

[Heyward]

Hate seeing Kimbrel go but getting rid of BJ's contract makes this a win.

[zitothebrave]

BBTN's opening night intro included Kimbrel on the Braves :Sad:

[gilesfan]

I'm confused...how are the Padres getting 24 million in salary relief...even for this season they are taking on salary in the deal.

Maybib/Quentin

[NinersSBChamps]

They should consider trading him if someone makes the right offensive prospect or talent.

I am sure San Diego will fleece Hart for Alex Wood in a few months.

[The Chosen One]

I thought you were 20 something, not 50 something.

Went out last night, got in at 2. Woke up this morning at 5 to join family for annual sunrise outdoor Easter Mass. Was awake since then.

[Dalyn]

One of my favorite Braves. Sad to see Kimbrel go. Hope he continues on his path to one of the best closers of all time.

[jsebe10]

They will manage to screw up with whatever free agent they sign.

Dude you got to go

[Heyward]

Hate the Braves moves all you want, but they are loaded with young arms.

Julio, Wood, Wisler, Miller is a pretty nasty top 4.

And whoever 5th, imagine adding one of the studs in FA to that?

While shopping off Cahill, and Minor for more prospects.

[50PoundHead]

I'm confused...how are the Padres getting 24 million in salary relief...even for this season they are taking on salary in the deal.

They won't be paying Maybin and Quentin, hence, that's salary relief for them. They are still taking on more total salary.

[NinersSBChamps]

Dude you got to go

Who's the last marquee free agent the Braves signed that performed like he should have?

[Orphan Black]

Maybib/Quentin

I see...he is just saying that by trading those two they get some salary relief.

[Heyward]

Nice trade anaylsis Yeezus. Do you add anything to the board? Instead of stating your opinion, you are worried abput mine?

Obsessed?

You were on the Nats butts after the Turner trade who has concerns.

He is right, you'd be giving them so much credit if Rizzo pulled this off.

[50PoundHead]

So what are our draft slots now?

#14, #28 (comp for Santana), #41 (acquired in Kimbrel trade), #54, and #89 in first three rounds.

[Heyward]

They will manage to screw up with whatever free agent they sign.

Will you shut it, holy crap you're annoying.

[Heyward]

#14, #28 (comp for Santana), #41 (acquired in Kimbrel trade), #54, and #89 in first three rounds.

They can re-stock the system quite a bit with those picks.

[thethe]

They should consider trading him if someone makes the right offensive prospect or talent.

If Wood has another good year then you could legitimately ask for a top 10 prospect for him plus another top 50-100 guy and some fillers. I think its worth thinking about considering how many arms are down on the farm.

[Tapate50]

How about some scouting reports on the new Braves farmhands for folks unable to look them up ?

[gilesfan]

You were on the Nats butts after the Turner trade who has concerns.

He is right, you'd be giving them so much credit if Rizzo pulled this off.

Yes, they traded - steven souza for Trae turner. Is that a bad trade?

[thethe]

One of my favorite Braves. Sad to see Kimbrel go. Hope he continues on his path to one of the best closers of all time.

I hope he stays healthy because the kid is special.

[Tapate50]

#14, #28 (comp for Santana), #41 (acquired in Kimbrel trade), #54, and #89 in first three rounds.

Damn!!

[Oklahomabrave]

Who's the last marquee free agent the Braves signed that performed like he should have?
Was Billy Wagner a FA?

[NinersSBChamps]

They can re-stock the system quite a bit with those picks.

Or trade them for major league talent.

[thethe]

How about some scouting reports on the new Braves farmhands for folks unable to look them up ?

Ask and ye shall receive:


2. Matt Wisler, RHP
Current Level/Age: AAA/22.3, 6’3/195, R/R
Drafted: 233rd overall (7th round) in 2011 out of Ohio HS by SD for $500,000 bonus, Agency: Sosnick Sports
Fastball: 55/60, Slider: 55/60, Curveball: 45/45+, Changeup: 45/50+, Command: 45/50

Scouting Report: While Wisler isn’t the tall tale type character that Renfroe is, he has plenty of it factor and makeup to his credit as well. To pitch at the Padres pre-draft workout in San Diego, Wisler flew to the west coast from Ohio and pitched the day after he threw in a playoff game, hitting 91 mph at PETCO Park. Teams were scared by his signability, but the Padres inked him for $500,000 just before the season ended. He threw a few innings, but then came to camp in 2013 looking like a completely different pitcher.

Wisler works 91-94, touching 95 mph with sink and commands the pitch to both sides of the plate. His two-plane slider is plus, his changeup is above average at times and he also works in a fringy curveball. Scouts rave about his makeup and strike throwing abilities, though his command isn’t quite big league ready, as he ran into trouble in the hitter-friendly PCL leaving the ball up the zone. Some scouts think his build is too slight and that he won’t be able to hold up for 200 innings, with a couple suggested he may end up as a late-inning reliever. The consensus is that he should be able to handle 180 innings as a third or fourth starter.

He hasn’t really hit the bumps in development yet that most young pitchers go through, but he did sulk for a few weeks after not breaking with the big league team in 2014, and carried a bad last spring training appearance with him to Triple-A for a few starts. The Padres think his mental maturity progressed after having to deal with the PCL for a season, and he has a chance to grab an MLB rotation spot to open 2015.

Summation: It was a toss-up between Renfroe and Wisler for the #1 spot, with a 50-50 split among scouts I talked to. The consensus is that Renfroe is higher upside and riskier, with one source saying he prefers Wisler by a good margin for that reason. The recently-traded Jesse Hahn was the team’s fourth starter, so now there are two open spots to claim between Despaigne, Erlin, Luebke, Wisler and Kelly, with Luebke and Kelly getting their first action after Tommy John surgery. This could give Wisler a real chance to break with the club, but he’s expected to head back to Triple-A at least initially.

FV/Role/Risk: 55, #3/4 starter, Low (2 on 1-5 scale)
Projected Path: 2015: AAA/MLB, 2016: MLB

[50PoundHead]

They can re-stock the system quite a bit with those picks.

Plus the international signing bonus pool money they acquired in the La Stella deal. Should be an interesting pre-draft/pre-international signing period for the team.

[Heyward]

Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
braves accomplished 3 main goals this winter/spring: rebuilt farm system, freed money, ridded themselves of melvin upton.

[NinersSBChamps]

Was Billy Wagner a FA?

I believe so.

[Carp]

I don't know what to think of this right now. Kimbrell was my favorite Brave. BJ was my least favorite. I know we clear alot of money, but for what exactly?

Need some time to digest this one.

[Heyward]

Yes, they traded - steven souza for Trae turner. Is that a bad trade?

It aint a good one.

[keithlaw]

Oh man imagine if we flip Quentin to an AL club and get them to take on part of his salary

[sturg33]

As much as I love this trade... makes the Markakis deal THAT much more stupid...

[Heyward]

If Wood has another good year then you could legitimately ask for a top 10 prospect for him plus another top 50-100 guy and some fillers. I think its worth thinking about considering how many arms are down on the farm.

I love Alex but you gotta consider it depending what offers would be out there.

Braves have a buttload of young arms.

[thethe]

#14, #28 (comp for Santana), #41 (acquired in Kimbrel trade), #54, and #89 in first three rounds.

Isn't it great to have Roy Clark back? Things are going to get serious soon for the Braves.

[NinersSBChamps]

As much as I love this trade... makes the Markakis deal THAT much more stupid...

It's almost as if they didn't really have a plan in place going into the off season. It's as if they signed Markakis and then decided to rebuild.

[thethe]

As much as I love this trade... makes the Markakis deal THAT much more stupid...

They had hte money to spend and the Braves believe that having leaders in the clubhouse mean something. Some will mock that and I get that but Markakis is going to play a big role in the next era of Braves baseball.

[gilesfan]

It aint a good one.

Please find me someone that agrees with you

[Orphan Black]

As much as I love this trade... makes the Markakis deal THAT much more stupid...

That...that deal just makes no sense whatsoever now.

[NinersSBChamps]

They had hte money to spend and the Braves believe that having leaders in the clubhouse mean something. Some will mock that and I get that but Markakis is going to play a big role in the next era of Braves baseball.

He will be gone before the start of next season. He isn't in their plans moving forward.

[weso1]

Obviously sad to see Kimbrel go, but this is a great trade for us. Exactly the trade that needed to be made.

[50PoundHead]

As much as I love this trade... makes the Markakis deal THAT much more stupid...

Still the head-scratcher of the off-season. I haven't agreed with all the moves, but they all seemed to have a measure of logic to them. The Markakis signing didn't.

[thethe]

He will be gone before the start of next season. He isn't in their plans moving forward.

Anything is possible with the Braves now but he didn't cost the Braves anything but money. All those other trades were going to happen with Markakis or not.

[sentenza]

This team is gonna struggle to win 60 games after they just handed Kimbrel over to San Diego.

How many games we would win with Kimbrel? 90?
A closer can't win games.
And this team needs a closer because they will not win much games this season. With or without Kimbrel!

[zitothebrave]

They had hte money to spend and the Braves believe that having leaders in the clubhouse mean something. Some will mock that and I get that but Markakis is going to play a big role in the next era of Braves baseball.

Yeah, he'll be the new money pit that we will have to package someone with to unload

[gcbraves]

I thought you were 20 something, not 50 something.

Hey, I represent that remark!

[thethe]

Yeah, he'll be the new money pit that we will have to package someone with to unload

11M is not a money bit for someone who won't drop into a nosedive like Uggla/Upton. He is a completeliy different type of player. Markakis will always have value. Maybe the Braves eat a couple of million on the contract at the tail end but it won' be a dump. You guys are severly underrating Markakis.

[The Chosen One]

The only reason I think this trade sucks because now after Chipper (and maybe Andruw), we won't have another legitimate player who could go to the Hall of Fame anytime soon.

Freeman unless he puts up godly numbers for the next 15 years isn't going to Cooperstown... but Kimbrel was by far the best candidate to go if he kept up what he was doing the previous 4 years.

[NinersSBChamps]

11M is not a money bit for someone who won't drop into a nosedive like Uggla/Upton. He is a completeliy different type of player. Markakis will always have value. Maybe the Braves eat a couple of million on the contract at the tail end but it won' be a dump. You guys are severly underrating Markakis.

He's the second best hitter on the team. I like Markakis more than most on here.

[The Chosen One]

Still the head-scratcher of the off-season. I haven't agreed with all the moves, but they all seemed to have a measure of logic to them. The Markakis signing didn't.

Maybe the Markakis move... was the Braves showing other teams "hey we might want to compete but are still fielding offers for ______ , ______ , ______). Maybe the team and Markakis have a gentleman's clause that if he breaks down in 2 years he can retire playing at home at least and the team wouldn't have to pay him the money like Wagner.

Wishful thinking I know.

[stpeteirish]

11M is not a money bit for someone who won't drop into a nosedive like Uggla/Upton. He is a completeliy different type of player. Markakis will always have value. Maybe the Braves eat a couple of million on the contract at the tail end but it won' be a dump. You guys are severly underrating Markakis.

MLBTR says we're going to DFA Quentin. So we replace Kimbrel on the 25 man roster with Maybin.

Not carrying 13 pitchers after all.

[weso1]

I can't believe Hart was able to make that trade. Thank you Padres. Not only was Melvin a huge burden to us in 2017, but he was one of my least favorite Braves of all time. Good to see him gone.

[stpeteirish]

Anyone done the math on what our payroll is down to?

[nsacpi]

I'm sorry we had to give up Melvin to move Kimbrel's contract, but getting Wisler and the draft pick makes this a more than palatable trade. Best move we've made this off-season.

[sentenza]

Carlos Quentin dfa!

[Coredor]

If we didn't do some things to rebuild the team Kimbrel wouldn't have the same value he'd have for a contender any way although he is a heck of a closer. I like this deal.

We've gotten ourselves a clean slate. We have the makings of a very good, young rotation and we have Simmons and Freeman who are excellent value and signed to extensions. Now we have some talent in the minors again, and we don't have to suffer with paying Uggla or B.J. after this season. We'll be able to sign free agents or trade for a couple of players with significant contracts if that's what we need to do. Now we have options. We just need to find some quality position players for the long term. It will be a rough year, but we're in position to turn things around.

[bravesfanforlife88]

Braves trade for Quentin and dfa him before he even gets to atl lol

[gilesfan]

I'm sorry we had to give up Melvin to move Kimbrel's contract, but getting Wisler and the draft pick makes this a more than palatable trade. Best move we've made this off-season.

I think the Gattis deal was the best. Then this one. Both much better than Heyward/Jup deals

[50PoundHead]

Maybe the Markakis move... was the Braves showing other teams "hey we might want to compete but are still fielding offers for ______ , ______ , ______). Maybe the team and Markakis have a gentleman's clause that if he breaks down in 2 years he can retire playing at home at least and the team wouldn't have to pay him the money like Wagner.

Wishful thinking I know.

We can't live in reverse time, but if this deal is made before the Winter Meetings, how does the rest of the off-season unfold? If you knew Trevor Cahill was going to be available, do you trade for Shelby Miller? If you could package the Uptons and Kimbrel to the Padres for what we got in return and make the Gattis trade, could you put the kind of offer on the table for Heyward that would make him at least think about staying in Atlanta?

Maybe none of it makes any difference. The thing that always bugged me about Wren is that he was too impulsive and I wonder if Hart and Company didn't have a bit of the same malady as the off-season unfolded.

For the record, I don't think Markakis will be a money pit. He's a decent player who will probably perform close to what he's slated to earn. But four years is a bit too long a deal for him in my book.

[The Chosen One]

Upside of this trade is with the team being put on the field, Chip's going to be doing a lot of lines during the broadcasts this year.

[jason27nc]

I can't believe Hart was able to make that trade. Thank you Padres. Not only was Melvin a huge burden to us in 2017, but he was one of my least favorite Braves of all time. Good to see him gone.

That is the one good thing about this trade. Only if Fredi could have been in the package.

[rico43]

The supreme irony in all this is that the Braves can afford to sign Heyward next year.

[CyYoung31]

Are we going to trade Freeman to get rid of CJ's contract now?

[Dunit24]

Loaded minors
Ton of money to spend
Still a very solid core intact

Hate losing Kimbrel but we all are going to love this trade when its all said and done. Not this year, but down the road.

[Heyward]

Are we going to trade Freeman to get rid of CJ's contract now?

Stop it.

[Knucksie]

Carlos Quentin dfa!

This looks like it's going to lead another trade of Quentin to AL team. So anything in return for the $8MM is gravy.

[Heyward]

Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Makes all the sense in the world for the Braves to trade Craig Kimbrel; there isn't a lot of value to a great closer on a bad team.

[bravesnumberone]

As depressing as it is to see Kimbrel go, this is by far the best trade Hart has made this offseason. Good riddance, Melvin.

[Hawk]

I don't really like the Quentin DFA, would have preferred him to Gomes.

[Orphan Black]

This looks like it's going to lead another trade of Quentin to AL team. So anything in return for the $8MM is gravy.

would be pretty shocked if anyone claimed Quentin.

[Knucksie]

Are we going to trade Freeman to get rid of CJ's contract now?

As we've just seen, not without including a valuable asset!

[Coredor]

I'm not a huge fan of C.J. either, but I really don't think his contract his a big problem. He does have some value and isn't that expensive.

[Perfect Cell]

They had hte money to spend and the Braves believe that having leaders in the clubhouse mean something. Some will mock that and I get that but Markakis is going to play a big role in the next era of Braves baseball.

No he really isnt. In fact he will be gone by the time the prospects we aquired and will draft now with Roy Clark actually start arriving in ATl. He wont provide leadership or anything


The Markakis move made little sense then and it makes little sense now. The veterans we aquired for the pen made sense. 1.We were obviously going to trade Kimbrel and 2.We can flip them for value later

heck even the AJ deal makes sense we need a tutor for CB. But the Markakis deal makes little sense. Its just wastefull spending of money.

[CyYoung31]

Stop it.

No.

[Hawk]

Anyone done the math on what our payroll is down to?

About $88MM.

[nsacpi]

Here is the net salary savings year by year of this trade:

2015 8.55M
2016 18.45M
2017 28.45M (assuming we decline Maybin's option)

The 2017 number is the one that leaves an impression on me. It had struck me before that it would be hard to gear up for 2017 if we had to pay Melvin the 16.45M is owed for that year. We have found a way to move that, which means that 2017 is much more in play now as a realistic goal for having a contending team.

The other thing that becomes pretty clear is that most of the available payroll the next two off-seasons will be spent on position players. We have needs especially in the outfield (and a lack of alternatives in the farm system, though perhaps someone like Peraza could be moved to center).

[Heyward]

No.

Yes, and CJ's contract isnt even that bad.

Compared to an Uggla/BJ at least it's not.

[Oklahomabrave]

Curious to see how our rotation shakes out over the next year plus. Teheran, Wood, Miller, Minor will all surely get x amount of innings, with Wisler, Folty, Man-Ban, Jenkins, all really close.

[sturg33]

I was willing to trade Kimbrel/Upton for no prospects... The deal that was struck was significantly better.

[zitothebrave]

Curious to see how our rotation shakes out over the next year plus. Teheran, Wood, Miller, Minor will all surely get x amount of innings, with Wisler, Folty, Man-Ban, Jenkins, all really close.

Whoever is healthy will pitch, some will be traded

[Julio3000]

Loaded minors
Ton of money to spend
Still a very solid core intact


Just another night at Caray Manor.

[smootness]

I think Wisler and Jenkins are the primary rotation prospects in the near future, followed by Fried and Sims a year or two behind. I think Banuelos' talent level is below that, and I think the odds Folty ends up in the pen just went up a little more, although I still definitely want to give him a chance to be a starter first.

And I think the talk of trading Wood is nonsense. There are a lot of people who consider him to have the highest ceiling among any of our guys. He's a huge part of this team's future.

[Dalyn]

Curious to see how our rotation shakes out over the next year plus. Teheran, Wood, Miller, Minor will all surely get x amount of innings, with Wisler, Folty, Man-Ban, Jenkins, all really close.

Minor is gone as soon as he regains some of his value.

[Perfect Cell]

I think Wisler and Jenkins are the primary rotation prospects in the near future, followed by Fried and Sims a year or two behind. I think Banuelos' talent level is below that, and I think the odds Folty ends up in the pen just went up a little more, although I still definitely want to give him a chance to be a starter first.

And I think the talk of trading Wood is nonsense. There are a lot of people who consider him to have the highest ceiling among any of our guys. He's a huge part of this team's future.


yeah agree on the folty thing

[nsacpi]

Curious to see how our rotation shakes out over the next year plus. Teheran, Wood, Miller, Minor will all surely get x amount of innings, with Wisler, Folty, Man-Ban, Jenkins, all really close.

Don't forget Hursh, Sims and even Martin. Injuries will play a role in sorting things out, but my guess is we will see some pitchers traded for hitters the next two off-seasons. I would also guess Folty, Man-Ban and Jenkins end up as relievers in the majors.

[Heyward]

I think Wisler and Jenkins are the primary rotation prospects in the near future, followed by Fried and Sims a year or two behind. I think Banuelos' talent level is below that, and I think the odds Folty ends up in the pen just went up a little more, although I still definitely want to give him a chance to be a starter first.

And I think the talk of trading Wood is nonsense. There are a lot of people who consider him to have the highest ceiling among any of our guys. He's a huge part of this team's future.

The Braves are absolutely loaded with SP prospects, i can see the reasoning.

[The Chosen One]

Simbrel will be ready for 2017.

[Heyward]

Curious to see how our rotation shakes out over the next year plus. Teheran, Wood, Miller, Minor will all surely get x amount of innings, with Wisler, Folty, Man-Ban, Jenkins, all really close.

Minor and Cahill are probably gone if Cahill rebounds, and Minor proves he's healthy.

I'd all but guarantee that.

Some will be dealt for hitters in the next few winters.

Some will get hurt, some end up was RP's.

[Braves1976]

yeah agree on the folty thing

Folty was destined for the pen anyway IMO. That is why I hope they're wise enough to trade him while his stock is high, that and because I don't believe he'll be anything special in either role.

[Oklahomabrave]

Whoever is healthy will pitch, some will be traded

Wel certainly that is true. I suppose, more specifically, I am curious to see what each individuals performance looks like and what additional trades are made as a result. Im fairly sure that Minor will be gone. Either he can come back healthy and nets us some talent or might just be let go. If Wisler and Folty look like rotation opens will we trade them or Miller/Wood. I may be way off, but I feel like Teheran is the only one relatively safe.

I know none of these questions can be reasonably answered at the moment, but for me it adds and interesting side narrative to the season. If even a moderate amount of our current crop of pitching stays healthy and pitches well, we could be looking at a very appealing surplus of valuable cheap pitching.

[AerchAngel]

About $88MM.

You got to pay for that new stadium you know?

[Hawk]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves Hart said Johnson, Grilli could close games, possibly Jaime eventually, etc.

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lolcats.

[Dalyn]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves Hart said Johnson, Grilli could close games, possibly Jaime eventually, etc.

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lolcats.

http://i.imgur.com/MM3g8oi.gif

[jason27nc]

I like how the Braves try to hide the incompetence of Fredi's coaching by getting rid of all of the good players. If Simmons could hit a lick, he would be gone too. SMH

[nsacpi]

Wel certainly that is true. I suppose, more specifically, I am curious to see what each individuals performance looks like and what additional trades are made as a result. Im fairly sure that Minor will be gone. Either he can come back healthy and nets us some talent or might just be let go. If Wisler and Folty look like rotation opens will we trade them or Miller/Wood. I may be way off, but I feel like Teheran is the only one relatively safe.

I know none of these questions can be reasonably answered at the moment, but for me it adds and interesting side narrative to the season. If even a moderate amount of our current crop of pitching stays healthy and pitches well, we could be looking at a very appealing surplus of valuable cheap pitching.

The downside to that scenario is that we are in an era where good hitting is at a premium relative to good pitching. I'd rather have a farm system like the Cubs that is top-heavy in position players.

[Hawk]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves seem likely to DFA Quention, use Maybin as backup CF or part-time CF for defense

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I'm calling bull**** on that. He should be leading off and playing full-time, if healthy.

[The Chosen One]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves seem likely to DFA Quention, use Maybin as backup CF or part-time CF for defense

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I'm calling bull**** on that. He should be leading off and playing full-time, if healthy.

Fredi likes EY better.

[Braves1976]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves Hart said Johnson, Grilli could close games, possibly Jaime eventually, etc.

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lolcats.

This whole Jaime situation gives me a lot of confidence in them rebuilding our once great bullpen...

[Oklahomabrave]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves seem likely to DFA Quention, use Maybin as backup CF or part-time CF for defense



I'm calling bull**** on that. He should be leading off and playing full-time, if healthy.

That would be incredibly dumb. Maybin is younger with more upside and is more expensive. See if he is usefully. **** EY

[Braves1976]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves seem likely to DFA Quention, use Maybin as backup CF or part-time CF for defense

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I'm calling bull**** on that. He should be leading off and playing full-time, if healthy.

Agreed but this is Fredi's team, he has more say now too. Fun fun. :)

[Braves1976]

That would be incredibly dumb. Maybin is younger with more upside and is more expensive. See if he is usefully. **** EY

Exactly.

[Tino25Dynasty]

I'm sorry but I cannot for the life of me see why we wouldn't keep Kimbrel at all cost... He was the BEST in baseball and is only 27!

Dominant closers ARE NOT easy to find.... We hadn't had one since Smoltz

I've lost all respect for John Hart

[Braves1976]

The downside to that scenario is that we are in an era where good hitting is at a premium relative to good pitching. I'd rather have a farm system like the Cubs that is top-heavy in position players.

Agreed. They have some of my favorite position player prospects too.

[Dalyn]

I'm sorry but I cannot for the life of me see why we wouldn't keep Kimbrel at all cost... He was the BEST in baseball and is only 27!

Dominant closers ARE NOT easy to find.... We hadn't had one since Smoltz

I've lost all respect for John Hart

Wagner did a great job, but your point still stands. Good trade on paper, but I think it'll hurt the 2017 team. More than it helps? That's the question.

[Hawk]

I still think that if the Braves are paying Quentin he might as well be out in left as often as health allows. Certainly provides better protection for Freddie than Gomes.

Not like it really matters.