CBB Thread

[holden]

Can't get stops. ND has scored like 6 or 7 times in a row. Can't come back if you can't stop them from scoring.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Both Towns and Auguste with four fouls each. You figure that is going to factor in during this last 3:45.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Wow. Wow. Wow.

[gilesfan]

Brey is taking a risk by playing August with 2 mins left in the game? These guys are idiots.

[Heyward]

Why do you care if we do, UK just barrels their head into the basket, foul all day.

Yep

[CrimsonCowboy]

Well, Kentucky had to earn it.

[NinersSBChamps]

Refs 68
ND 66

[holden]

Heart of champions.

[gilesfan]

Too good of a game to be decided on a block/charge call.

[NinersSBChamps]

Heart of champions.

Shut the **** up, quitter.

[bravesnumberone]

Kentucky will get the late calls every single time.

[holden]

Too good of a game to be decided on a block/charge call.

It was an obvious block. Surely you can't disagree? Dude slid over at the last minute.

I agree that it sucks it came down to that. But Notre Dame went for that instead of playing it straight up, and paid the price.

Great game.

[holden]

BTW, how you guys feel about Andrew Harrison and Karl Anthony-Towns now?

[Heyward]

BTW, how you guys feel about Andrew Harrison and Karl Anthony-Towns now?

Andrew didnt make one FG.

Towns is a stud but uses his arm to push off alot, Wis/UK should be quite the battle though.

[gilesfan]

Not sure that it was an obvious block and certainly not saying a bad call. But, I hate charge/block calls in college. I don't think thats always called a block. Just hate for a great game to come down to whether or not a ref thought a guy was sliding his feet or not. Hopefully Wisky/Kent can match this game.

I did laugh at heart of a champion. Not one of those players have even been a champion.

[NinersSBChamps]

BTW, how you guys feel about Andrew Harrison and Karl Anthony-Towns now?

Notre Dame's tallest player is like 6'7. That's so impressive.

[NinersSBChamps]

Cal's little speech afterwards was so sincere.

[gilesfan]

BTW, how you guys feel about Andrew Harrison and Karl Anthony-Towns now?

Andrew Harrison is a decent player. Much inferior to Booker. He had 7 points on 7 free throws...each bowling into the lane and praying to get fouled. They should have laid off him since he shoots so poorly inside the arc

I don't think anyone has ever said Towns is anything less than a great player. ONe of the top handful of players in the country. I was surprised August was able to pretty much match him.

[NinersSBChamps]

Mike Brey melted down and screwed his team out of a win. Why Auguste was left to guard Towns damn near by himself. At least the other kid had fouls to give instead of just letting Towns score.

[holden]

Survive and advance.

Can't believe they won that game.

Will be in Indy in a week!

[gilesfan]

Who else would you expect to guard Towns? They play with 4 guards.

[holden]

To be fair, I did say Notre Dame was good.

(Oklahoma is better than I gave them credit for, though).

[NinersSBChamps]

Who else would you expect to guard Towns? They play with 4 guards.

That other dude who barely played at all. Can't remember his name. He stole the ball and scored right before halftime.

[Heyward]

Survive and advance.

Can't believe they won that game.

Will be in Indy in a week!

Yeah, how can a team with 8-9 pros win a game, such a great win.

[holden]

Yeah.

But they won 37 others, too, so, you know.

[NinersSBChamps]

Yeah.

But they won 37 others, too, so, you know.
And how many of those did you quit on and say they were done?

[Heyward]

Yeah.

But they won 37 others, too, so, you know.

You never gave up during a game until today, although this was the only game other than UL/UNC they played anyone decent, so ya know....

[holden]

I said I thought we'd lose, and that we were getting outcoached, outworked, and outsmarted. The last three things were all true. Notre Dame had a great game plan and we never adjusted. Don't think that counts as "giving up." Not like I turned off the game.

I was wrong about us losing, though. Oh well. Glad I was!

[sturg33]

No matter the sport... No matter the game, Niners complains about the same thing in every instance

[gilesfan]

And how many of those did you quit on and say they were done?

This is something you do more than anyone.

[CrimsonCowboy]

What a game! Fitting that it goes to overtime.

[gilesfan]

Worst possession off all time for lousiville there

Surprised they are even in game with Rozier takjng awful shots and Harrell playing soft as hell

[thethe]

Okafor looks real slow out there.

[gilesfan]

Winslow is going to be good at the next level. A much better version of kidd gilcrist

[thethe]

Winslow is going to be good at the next level. A much better version of kidd gilcrist

He looks like the best player on his team.

[chop2chip]

Okafor looks real slow out there.its really ironic how much you hate Okafor when his worst case scenario is a better Enes Kanter whom you want to give 14 million a year too.

[thethe]

its really ironic how much you hate Okafor when his worst case scenario is a better Enes Kanter whom you want to give 14 million a year too.

I wouldn't take Kanter with the first pick in the draft.

[gilesfan]

its really ironic how much you hate Okafor when his worst case scenario is a better Enes Kanter whom you want to give 14 million a year too.

A much better version who is probably a better defender too

[thethe]

A much better version who is probably a better defender too

I'd wager that Kanter is a better rebounder and equally awful defensive player.

[chop2chip]

I wouldn't take Kanter with the first pick in the draft.
No, but you would give him 14 million. I am not sure if there is much of a difference between the two scenarios in terms of valuing a player.

[thethe]

No, but you would give him 14 million. I am not sure if there is much of a difference between the two scenarios in terms of valuing a player.

14 is going to be much different when the cap is 90+ M

[chop2chip]

A much better version who is probably a better defender too
Well Kanter grades out as the worst defensive big in the NBA, so I would hope he could clear that hurdle.

Okafor looks a little smoother on defense than I thought he would btw.

[gilesfan]

Shapes up to be an awesome final four. There might be 15 first-round draft picks

[holden]

Winslow is going to be good at the next level. A much better version of kidd gilcrist

nope

[holden]

What a road Kentucky/Wisconsin will have had to have played compared to Duke.

[gilesfan]

nope

Better shooter and a better defender.

[gilesfan]

What a road Kentucky/Wisconsin will have had to have played compared to Duke.

Gonazaga is better than any team Kentucky has played. Duke had to also beat Utah. Kentucky has hd the easiest road of the 4 so far.

[NinersSBChamps]

Gonazaga is better than any team Kentucky has played. Duke had to also beat Utah. Kentucky has hd the easiest road of the 4 so far.

Notre Dame is pretty good, but agreed.

[CK86]

Thought Duke would lose to Utah, was pleasantly surprised at that outcome. Thought they'd beat Gonzaga if they played and fortunately they did. Now they face the god of March. Hopefully Duke can sneak out a win but it'll be as tough a game as any they've played all season.

Regardless, pleasantly surprised with Duke making it to the final four when their defense has sucked all year. It's pretty stunning to see the difference two weeks has made.

[gilesfan]

Notre Dame is pretty good, but agreed.

based on kenpom, Kentucky beat 26 and 9
Wisky beat 11, 2
Duke beat 8, 7
Mich State beat 5, 13, 16

[holden]

Better shooter and a better defender.

better defender? you're high.

[holden]

Kenpom, Kenpom, Kenpom

Notre Dame would have beaten anyone in the country not named Kentucky last night.

Plus Kentucky/Wisconsin have to play each other.. Duke gets Michigan State.

[zitothebrave]

Reading holden talk about Kentucky is like listening to republicans talk about abortions. Jesus christ it's painful.

[gilesfan]

better defender? you're high.


People around Duke call him the best defender they've had. Over Grant Hill and Battier.

[gilesfan]

Kenpom, Kenpom, Kenpom

Notre Dame would have beaten anyone in the country not named Kentucky last night.

Plus Kentucky/Wisconsin have to play each other.. Duke gets Michigan State.

Base on what? They shot terrible and have no interior defense.

At this point Ky had easiest way. Then again, you think Utah is a mid major...

[chop2chip]

Kenpom is freaking legit.

His models > everyone on this board

[holden]

My my, you fellas sure are salty

[holden]

Base on what? They shot terrible and have no interior defense.

At this point Ky had easiest way. Then again, you think Utah is a mid major...

That's why I said they WILL have had a tougher road than Duke. Wisconsin and Kentucky have to play each other - the winner will have a harder road than Duke at that point.

Not sure why I need to explain this so carefully.

[NinersSBChamps]

Lol Duke "gets" Michigan State. Like they get an easy game in the final four.

[holden]

Kenpom is freaking legit.

His models > everyone on this board

Kenpom is great. I love Kenpom. But his models aren't perfect. They don't serve as an absolute ranking of all the teams, and they don't factor in match-ups.

[holden]

People around Duke call him the best defender they've had. Over Grant Hill and Battier.

He's a good defender, but he's not MKG. That's silly.

[gilesfan]

That's why I said they WILL have had a tougher road than Duke. Wisconsin and Kentucky have to play each other - the winner will have a harder road than Duke at that point.

Not sure why I need to explain this so carefully.

Kentucky will have had to play 2 top 10 teams. Duke would have had to play 2 plus Michigan state. I don't get the whining about Kentuckys road to the finals.

[gilesfan]

He's a good defender, but he's not MKG. That's silly.

Based on what?

[holden]

Not whining. Kentucky got a very fair bracket. No complaints about their road.

I think Wisconsin/Arizona got screwed a little bit. Virginia definitely. Duke somehow had the easiest bracket as the fourth #1 seed.

(insert Kenpom-based reply here)

[holden]

Based on what?

That's not how it works. You don't get to make an absurd assertion, get challenged on it, then say "prove me wrong."

[gilesfan]

That's not how it works. You don't get to make an absurd assertion, get challenged on it, then say "prove me wrong."

How is it absurd? Winslow is a great defender. He's been called the best defender they have had under K. His defensive metrics are similar or better than MKG at Kentucky. And is certainly a better offensive player.

[holden]

You think Winslow will be one of the best defenders in the NBA?

[holden]

Reading holden talk about Kentucky is like listening to republicans talk about abortions. Jesus christ it's painful.

Sorry, but it's funny when people who haven't watched college basketball all year are suddenly experts in March. And the ridiculous hate Kentucky gets for "ruining college basketball" is annoying.

[gilesfan]

Not whining. Kentucky got a very fair bracket. No complaints about their road.

I think Wisconsin/Arizona got screwed a little bit. Virginia definitely. Duke somehow had the easiest bracket as the fourth #1 seed.

(insert Kenpom-based reply here)

Duke had to play St. Johns, Utah, Gonzaga. 2 top 10 teams; another dangerous team that played well the last 2 months of the season. They also play top 15 team in Mich St.

Kentucky played Cincy-maybe 35ish, West Virginia-maybe 30ish, and Notre Dame-top 10. Now play probably 2nd best team.

[gilesfan]

You think Winslow will be one of the best defenders in the NBA?

Certainly.

[gilesfan]

Sorry, but it's funny when people who haven't watched college basketball all year are suddenly experts in March. And the ridiculous hate Kentucky gets for "ruining college basketball" is annoying.

I bet I watch 3 times as many games as you. What did you watch 38 games this year? How is what anyone else says more ridiculous than the thethe level stuff you say about Kentucky players?

[holden]

What have I said about Kentucky players that has been ridiculous? Maybe it was when I said Noel would be a very good player and you laughed at me?

[Heyward]

Figured Dook would make the FF, insanely easy bracket.

Similar to 2010, at least they'll face a good team in the title game this time around though.

[Heyward]

Duke had to play St. Johns, Utah, Gonzaga. 2 top 10 teams; another dangerous team that played well the last 2 months of the season. They also play top 15 team in Mich St.

Kentucky played Cincy-maybe 35ish, West Virginia-maybe 30ish, and Notre Dame-top 10. Now play probably 2nd best team.

Dook should have had Arizona or Virginia as their 2 seed.

Gonzaga is a paper tiger, every single year.

Utah isnt that good either.

UK somehow has to play Wisconsin or would have had to play Arizona who has an NBA-sized frontline and a top 5-10 pick with Stanley Johnson as well, yet Dook gets MSU who while good isnt as good in years past.

Stop being stupid, Dook had an insanely easy bracket, yet was the 3rd or 4th best 1 seed. Gonzaga, ISU, Georgetown, Utah were their 2-5's, get the f out.

[Heyward]

Lol Duke "gets" Michigan State. Like they get an easy game in the final four.

They do, Dook will win by 15-20.

[holden]

BUT GONZAGA AND UTAH WERE 7 AND 8 IN KENPOM

[Heyward]

BUT GONZAGA AND UTAH WERE 7 AND 8 IN KENPOM

Giles doesnt know much about basketball.

He's just defending Dook because he likes Okafor.

[Heyward]

Winslow is a really good player though.

This makes no sense, Winslow is Dook's most important player, not best, he makes that team go.

If it's Dook/UK, i'm having three bottles of liquor.

[gilesfan]

What have I said about Kentucky players that has been ridiculous? Maybe it was when I said Noel would be a very good player and you laughed at me?

Michael Kidd Gilchrist among other things.

[thethe]

Michael Kidd Gilchrist among other things.

Is MKG not a good player?

[NinersSBChamps]

They do, Dook will win by 15-20.

Lol sour grapes, pal. Please keep doubting MSU.

[gilesfan]

Dook should have had Arizona or Virginia as their 2 seed.

Gonzaga is a paper tiger, every single year.

Utah isnt that good either.

UK somehow has to play Wisconsin or would have had to play Arizona who has an NBA-sized frontline and a top 5-10 pick with Stanley Johnson as well, yet Dook gets MSU who while good isnt as good in years past.

Stop being stupid, Dook had an insanely easy bracket, yet was the 3rd or 4th best 1 seed. Gonzaga, ISU, Georgetown, Utah were their 2-5's, get the f out.

How is Gonzaga a paper tiger? They lost 2 games; both by 3 points. @Arizona and to BYU?

Why isn't Utah good? Bc you haven't watched them?

Poor Kentucky has to play a good team......in the final 4.

Lets see:

Kenpom:

Gonzaga-7
Utah-8
Iowa St-18
Georgetown-24

meanwhile, Kentucky played 1 top 10 team

Their bracket:

Kansas- 14
Notre Dame-9
Maryland- 32
West VA- 26

[Heyward]

How is Gonzaga a paper tiger? They lost 2 games; both by 3 points. @Arizona and to BYU?

Why isn't Utah good? Bc you haven't watched them?

Poor Kentucky has to play a good team......in the final 4.

Lets see:

Kenpom:

Gonzaga-7
Utah-8
Iowa St-18
Georgetown-24

meanwhile, Kentucky played 1 top 10 team

Their bracket:

Kansas- 14
Notre Dame-9
Maryland- 32
West VA- 26

Kenpom lol.

[gilesfan]

They do, Dook will win by 15-20.

Duke must be really good then.

[gilesfan]

Is MKG not a good player?

He's a pretty good to good defender that is a negative on offense.

[gilesfan]

Giles doesnt know much about basketball.

He's just defending Dook because he likes Okafor.

I hate Duke and everything about Duke.

[gilesfan]

Kenpom lol.

That's far more support than anything you've added to any conversation in history. You literally know less sports.....any sport than my wife.

[Heyward]

Duke must be really good then.

That they are.

[Heyward]

That's far more support than anything you've added to any conversation in history. You literally know less sports.....any sport than my wife.

Dook had an insanely easy bracket, stop it.

Gonzaga chokes every year, thats why i said that are a paper tiger.

[Heyward]

Lol sour grapes, pal. Please keep doubting MSU.

I love me some Izzo (no homo), but i cant see how his team beats Dook.

If he does, god bless that man.

[gilesfan]

Dook had an insanely easy bracket, stop it.

Gonzaga chokes every year, thats why i said that are a paper tiger.

They choked bc they lost to a higher seeded team that you just said was really good. What is your IQ?

[Heyward]

They choked bc they lost to a higher seeded team that you just said was really good. What is your IQ?

They lost because they are overrated.

If Dook got say, Arizona, we're talking something different here.

[gilesfan]

Gonzaga chokes every year:

08/09- lost to #1 UNC
09/10- lost to #1 Syracuse
10/11- lost to #3 BYU (as an 11)
11/12- lost to #2 Ohio State (as a 7)
12/13- lost to #9 WS (as a 1) WS made it to final 4
13/14- lost to #1 Arizona
14/15- lost to #1 Duke

[gilesfan]

They lost because they are overrated.

If Dook got say, Arizona, we're talking something different here.

So Gonzaga lost to Duke because they are overated?

[holden]

Gonzaga actually was pretty good this year. I didn't think they had much of a chance to hang with Duke because they don't have any where near the same caliber of athlete, but they were a good team this year.

I think any of Arizona/Wisconsin/healthy Virginia/Kentucky/Villanova could have given them trouble, or even if they had run into an athletic team like Iowa State, Baylor, or Oklahoma they could've gone down. But they somehow avoided all the teams that are really bad match-ups to them thus far.

Anyway, regardless of who wins it this year, they will have earned it. You're going to have to beat two really good teams at this point.

[gilesfan]

3 of the best 4 (and maybe top 3) teams in the country made the final 4 so it shapes up to be a good one. There were no teams that just got a lucky draw and didn't have to beat anyone. Whether Kentucky has to go thru Wisky then Duke or Duke then Wisky; it really doesn't matter.

[NinersSBChamps]

I love me some Izzo (no homo), but i cant see how his team beats Dook.

If he does, god bless that man.
They played once this season and it was a pretty good game. MSU hits their free throws they probabably win that one.

[gilesfan]

Being that Im now a Georgetown graduate student, you can expect Holden level homerism from me.

Saxa Hoya

[holden]

Grats, giles

[gilesfan]

Grats, giles

Thanks.

Copeland>MKG



I kid, I Kid

[gilesfan]

Just bc it's fun to complain about things, the AP awards came out:

Kaminsky
Grant
Russell
WCS
Okafor


Clearly Kaminsky was best player in country this year. BUt, I don't see how Delon Wright isn't first team. He's right behind Kaminsky, imo.

[Heyward]

3 of the best 4 (and maybe top 3) teams in the country made the final 4 so it shapes up to be a good one. There were no teams that just got a lucky draw and didn't have to beat anyone. Whether Kentucky has to go thru Wisky then Duke or Duke then Wisky; it really doesn't matter.

Dook got a lucky draw, didnt really play anyone of worthy.

[gilesfan]

Dook got a lucky draw, didnt really play anyone of worthy.

I guess if you keep saying dumb crap, maybe you will convince someone.

[BRule]

I guess if you keep saying dumb crap, maybe you will convince someone.

It's easier if you just ignore him, he hasn't said anything smart in 4 years.

[Heyward]

It's easier if you just ignore him, he hasn't said anything smart in 4 years.

And you have?

[Heyward]

I guess if you keep saying dumb crap, maybe you will convince someone.

Utah/Zaga arent bad but there's no reason UK's side of the bracket should have been so stacked and Dook's is pie.

But i guess the commitee people wanna see UK/Dook for ratings.

[gilesfan]

Utah/Zaga arent bad but there's no reason UK's side of the bracket should have been so stacked and Dook's is pie.

But i guess the commitee people wanna see UK/Dook for ratings.

"Kentucky's side of the bracket"

Yeah, Wisconsin in the final four. Notre Dame in the elite 8, and WVA in the sweet 16 vs. Duke playing Utah in the sweet 16, Gonzaga in the elite 8, and Michigan State in the final 4.

[gilesfan]

I forgot. How does Gonzaga choke every year again?

[BRule]

And you have?

Yes.

[Heyward]

Yes.

Pitino still god?

[Heyward]

I forgot. How does Gonzaga choke every year again?

How dont they?

Pile up lot of wins and lose early in the tourny, rinse, repeat.

[gilesfan]

How dont they?

Pile up lot of wins and lose early in the tourny, rinse, repeat.

08/09- lost to #1 UNC
09/10- lost to #1 Syracuse
10/11- lost to #3 BYU (as an 11)
11/12- lost to #2 Ohio State (as a 7)
12/13- lost to #9 WS (as a 1) WS made it to final 4
13/14- lost to #1 Arizona
14/15- lost to #1 Duke

[BRule]

Pitino still god?

If by God, you mean top 3 coach, then yes.

[BRule]

Welp....Harrell and Rozier to NBA and Gill transferring.

[weso1]

Rick Barnes to the real UT. I like the hire. Gets to the tourney every year and recruits good/great players. Not the best on the court coach, but I mean I think it's a real good hire considering we're far from an elite basketball school. Certainly a guy that will likely be here till he retires.

[holden]

I guess it's about as good as Tennessee can do.

If Alabama gets Marshall, the SEC is going to have some really good coaches.

[holden]

Kind of surprised Willie got first team, but he deserves it. He is our best player and an unreal defender. And there are times when he has completely carried us.

If I had to rank him, Noel, and AD (purely on defense)... it would be tough. Think I'd go:

1. AD
2. WCS
3. Noel

But really, those guys are all elite. WCS is the most versatile, Noel may be the best shot blocker, but AD is from another planet. Kentucky has been blessed with freaks of nature on defense.

[gilesfan]

Rick Barnes to the real UT. I like the hire. Gets to the tourney every year and recruits good/great players. Not the best on the court coach, but I mean I think it's a real good hire considering we're far from an elite basketball school. Certainly a guy that will likely be here till he retires.

Agreed. Not a basketball conference outside of Kentucky so getting someone that can recruit and bring a top 25 program has value

[gilesfan]

Kind of surprised Willie got first team, but he deserves it. He is our best player and an unreal defender. And there are times when he has completely carried us.

If I had to rank him, Noel, and AD (purely on defense)... it would be tough. Think I'd go:

1. AD
2. WCS
3. Noel

But really, those guys are all elite. WCS is the most versatile, Noel may be the best shot blocker, but AD is from another planet. Kentucky has been blessed with freaks of nature on defense.

Not crazy to put him first but I dont think hes one of the top 5 players in country. Think hes 6-10

[NinersSBChamps]

Montrazl Harrel did Dawson bring enough energy yesterday?

[NinersSBChamps]

And holy cow Rozier took 23 shots.

[Heyward]

Kind of surprised Willie got first team, but he deserves it. He is our best player and an unreal defender. And there are times when he has completely carried us.

If I had to rank him, Noel, and AD (purely on defense)... it would be tough. Think I'd go:

1. AD
2. WCS
3. Noel

But really, those guys are all elite. WCS is the most versatile, Noel may be the best shot blocker, but AD is from another planet. Kentucky has been blessed with freaks of nature on defense.

WCS is BORDERLINE top 5, he cant create his own offense, more of a putback player.

And there is no way he's better than Towns.

[Heyward]

If by God, you mean top 3 coach, then yes.

LOL.

Cal and Roy own Pitino who you say arent good coaches.

[holden]

He's not better than Towns, but he had a better season than Towns.

[weso1]

LOL.

Cal and Roy own Pitino who you say arent good coaches.

Pitino is a very close second on my top 5 college coaches list right behind Coach K. Pitino has two championships at two different schools, which is right up there with Saban/Meyer level. Calipari is a good coach, but let's not pretend that his success isn't built around World Wide Wes. It just is what it is.

[gilesfan]

He's not better than Towns, but he had a better season than Towns.

Yada yada you watched every game.

Towns destroys Steins stats.

[NinersSBChamps]

Yada yada you watched every game.

Towns destroys Steins stats.

Stein has neck tats.

[holden]

Yada yada you watched every game.

Towns destroys Steins stats.

I knew you'd say this.

Yes, his stats are better. Towns has had an unreal season in his own right. He's flat-out won Kentucky some games, and he's been their go-to offensively for the second half of the season.

That said, Towns has also been prone to getting into foul trouble and he makes some freshman mistakes. Willie also gets lost sometimes, but I feel like you know what you're getting on a game-to-game basis more so than you do with Towns. Plus, he is truly the only player in the country who can comfortably guard all five positions. I read something the other day that opposing perimeters players are shooting like 21% against him. That is crazy.

I'm not saying it's not close.. both have been awesome.. and Towns is the better player and probably has a brighter future. But for this season, Willie has been slightly better in my opinion.

[holden]

Pitino is a very close second on my top 5 college coaches list right behind Coach K. Pitino has two championships at two different schools, which is right up there with Saban/Meyer level. Calipari is a good coach, but let's not pretend that his success isn't built around World Wide Wes. It just is what it is.

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[Heyward]

Pitino is a very close second on my top 5 college coaches list right behind Coach K. Pitino has two championships at two different schools, which is right up there with Saban/Meyer level. Calipari is a good coach, but let's not pretend that his success isn't built around World Wide Wes. It just is what it is.

I'd have Izzo as the best, some may disagree but it's whatever, and yes i know they'll probably lose this weekend.

Cal does have stacked teams but making the FF 4 of the last 5 years is impressive as hell. You gotta be able to coach to accomplish that.

[holden]

4 Final Fours in 5 years.
22-3 record in the Tournament at Kentucky (15-1 in his last 16).

Cal is a bad coach.

[Heyward]

4 Final Fours in 5 years.
22-3 record in the Tournament at Kentucky (15-1 in his last 16).

Cal is a bad coach.

He's a pretty good coach but let's not act like he doesnt have loaded teams essentially every year.

[holden]

I hate when people act like personnel isn't a part of coaching at the college level. Who got those players to Kentucky? Recruiting is absolutely a part of college coaching.

Also, two of those Final Fours were as a 4 seed and an 8 seed.

[yeezus]

I hate when people act like personnel isn't a part of coaching at the college level. Who got those players to Kentucky? Recruiting is absolutely a part of college coaching.

Also, two of those Final Fours were as a 4 seed and an 8 seed.

agreed, he gets the best recruits for a reason. is he not supposed to get the best guys he can? hate those arguments.

[gilesfan]

I hate when people act like personnel isn't a part of coaching at the college level. Who got those players to Kentucky? Recruiting is absolutely a part of college coaching.

Also, two of those Final Fours were as a 4 seed and an 8 seed.

I agree to a certain degree. Cal can coach for sure but Kentucky also recruits itself.

[BRule]

LOL.

Cal and Roy own Pitino who you say arent good coaches.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You're sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dumb.

[NinersSBChamps]

I hate when people act like personnel isn't a part of coaching at the college level. Who got those players to Kentucky? Recruiting is absolutely a part of college coaching.

Also, two of those Final Fours were as a 4 seed and an 8 seed.

WWW

[NinersSBChamps]

You take any coach in America with that Kentucky team and every single one of them are still playing this weekend.

[gilesfan]

You take any coach in America with that Kentucky team and every single one of them are still playing this weekend.

Tubby?

[NinersSBChamps]

Tubby?

Yeah. Why not? He's good at inheriting a team and winning.

[BRule]

You take any coach in America with that Kentucky team and every single one of them are still playing this weekend.

Eh, that's not fair....Cal isn't the best in game coach but he's good....not every coach can coach all these stars and get them to play as a team. Got to give him credit for doing that. He's getting kids who should be playing 35 MPG and scoring 18 a game and they are playing 18 minutes a game & not complaining a bit.

[NinersSBChamps]

Eh, that's not fair....Cal isn't the best in game coach but he's good....not every coach can coach all these stars and get them to play as a team. Got to give him credit for doing that. He's getting kids who should be playing 35 MPG and scoring 18 a game and they are playing 18 minutes a game & not complaining a bit.

Sure that's impressive in its own right. I just don't believe for one second that these kids don't have reasons to keep their mouths shut. This all goes back to the type of person he is.

[chop2chip]

You take any coach in America with that Kentucky team and every single one of them are still playing this weekend.

I don't think that's what makes Cal special. He had to, ya know, recruit that team.

[NinersSBChamps]

I don't think that's what makes Cal special. He had to, ya know, recruit that team.

He's buddy buddy with the most powerful guy involved with High School recruits. Recruiting for him is a lot different than it is for most coaches.

[NinersSBChamps]

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/405/279/3279405.jpg

I will say Duke gets at least 14 more free throw attempts.

[yeezus]

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/405/279/3279405.jpg

I will say Duke gets at least 14 more free throw attempts.

already whining smh

[NinersSBChamps]

already whining smh

No just preparing myself for the inevitable. Duke is a great team, but having the referees call a super tight game makes this one even more difficult. They played earlier this year and it was a 16 free throw attempt difference between the two.

[gilesfan]

Damn, I enroll in Georgetown and Dvauntes Smith-Rivera opts to go pro (stupid decision on his part). I can't believe he would go pro as he probably doesn't even get drafted.

[NinersSBChamps]

Damn, I enroll in Georgetown and Dvauntes Smith-Rivera opts to go pro (stupid decision on his part). I can't believe he would go pro as he probably doesn't even get drafted.

It's a fair trade for Georgetown though, right? :)

[gilesfan]

It's a fair trade for Georgetown though, right? :)

net positive.

[holden]

Cal's strength is recruiting and managing personalities. He's a better in-game coach than people give him credit for, but I wouldn't call him a brilliant tactician. He excels at getting the most out of his players and getting them to buy in.. Not at Xs and Os.

He's more Phil Jackson than he is Greg Popovich.

[BRule]

Cal's strength is recruiting and managing personalities. He's a better in-game coach than people give him credit for, but I wouldn't call him a brilliant tactician. He excels at getting the most out of his players and getting them to buy in.. Not at Xs and Os.

He's more Phil Jackson than he is Greg Popovich.

This

[NinersSBChamps]

Managing personalities? That's classic. Hey Harrison brothers here's a check for a thousand dollars. Don't speak to the media about your playing time.

[BRule]

Managing personalities? That's classic. Hey Harrison brothers here's a check for a thousand dollars. Don't speak to the media about your playing time.

You're not a funny troll.

[NinersSBChamps]

You're not a funny troll.

It's not trolling when it's truth.

In seriousness. The entire country knows Cal is a slime ball. He may not straight up pay recruits, but he's as crooked as they come. It takes a one in a kind jerk off to have two final fours vacated at two separate schools. That is tough to do, so kudos to Cal for accomplishing that feat.

[Heyward]

I hate when people act like personnel isn't a part of coaching at the college level. Who got those players to Kentucky? Recruiting is absolutely a part of college coaching.

Also, two of those Final Fours were as a 4 seed and an 8 seed.

He's the best recruiter in the game.

I will give him credit for getting these kids to not complain about playing time though.

He's a better coach than some say.

[Heyward]

already whining smh

He isnt wrong, Dook hand-checks like crazy and is never called for it.

Dont even need to start on the flopping.

In their game this year, it was 26 FT's for Dook, 10 for MSU.

20 makes to 6.

Dook won by 10, no difference though.

[NinersSBChamps]

My biggest gripe with college basketball is the officiating. It's so random and every game and sometimes every halve is called completely different. There is just zero consistency. The referees have been announced for the final four games. Not sure which ref is doing what game, but the average number of fouls called per game where each ref has been assigned is something like the mid to upper 30s. This bodes well for everyone except one team.

[Heyward]

My biggest gripe with college basketball is the officiating. It's so random and every game and sometimes every halve is called completely different. There is just zero consistency. The referees have been announced for the final four games. Not sure which ref is doing what game, but the average number of fouls called per game where each ref has been assigned is something like the mid to upper 30s. This bodes well for everyone except one team.

Kentucky, Dook, and Wisconsin supposedly dont foul much, so it will be interesting how it's called.

UNC makes some dumb fouls, but some of the fouls is the refs out to get them because of the NCAA, im 100% sure of it.

In the UL game in UL, UL could prison rape our team and if we laid a finger on them, it was a foul. Couple players got tackled and nothing was called, it's just insane.

[gilesfan]

UNC makes some dumb fouls, but some of the fouls is the refs out to get them because of the NCAA, im 100% sure of it.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/index.jpg

[NinersSBChamps]

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/545/489/3489545.jpg

Big Ten Championship game. Don't remember who the referees were for this one.

[Heyward]

http://diablo.incgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/index.jpg

:Sad:

[yeezus]

My biggest gripe with college basketball is the officiating. It's so random and every game and sometimes every halve is called completely different. There is just zero consistency. The referees have been announced for the final four games. Not sure which ref is doing what game, but the average number of fouls called per game where each ref has been assigned is something like the mid to upper 30s. This bodes well for everyone except one team.

dude, this is basketball in general. i agree, the foul calls are ALWAYS inconsistent and seem very random. two exactly similar plays, one is a foul, one isn't. why? idk. that's basketball. but it's not a conspiracy.

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://diablo.incgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/index.jpg

Is it just me, or is the cat the smart one in that photo?

[NinersSBChamps]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/likability-index--which-final-four-teams-are-easiest-to-root-for-and-against-200315120-ncaab.html
Lol

[BRule]

Oubre entering NBA draft.

[BRule]

Marshall turns down Bama, staying at Whichita.

[Heyward]

Marshall turns down Bama, staying at Whichita.

Shocker.

[holden]

Kentucky is ruining college basketball.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2015/story/_/id/12595135/kentucky-wildcats-karl-anthony-towns-big-man-big-game-big-heart

[CrimsonCowboy]

Dad gum it

[CrimsonCowboy]

Not sure where Bama goes from here. It appears Texas and Shaka Smart are working on a deal, so that's out. My top candidate now would be Archie Miller.

[gilesfan]

Not sure where Bama goes from here. It appears Texas and Shaka Smart are working on a deal, so that's out. My top candidate now would be Archie Miller.

With all due respect, I don't see why Archie Miller would go to Bama. Bama isn't a basketball school and it's not a basketball conference. I think Bama has to go to more of a project than that. Maybe like a Mike Rhoades.

[NinersSBChamps]

Yeah no offense to Alabama or anyone else in the SEC. I don't see them landing coaches with a solid pedigree. Just not a lot of chances to be successful down there.

[NinersSBChamps]

Melo Trimble to return to Maryland for his Sopomore season.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Couple of the names being thrown around for Alabama are Josh Pastner and Richard Pitino.:facepalm:

[gilesfan]

Couple of the names being thrown around for Alabama are Josh Pastner and Richard Pitino.:facepalm:

Probably good options but not sure either would leave for Bama

[CrimsonCowboy]

Probably good options but not sure either would leave for Bama

Have to respectively disagree. Pastner hasn't really done anything remarkable at Memphis and Pitino hasn't had enough time to build a resume worthy of a bigger (in contract terms, I mean) job.

[NinersSBChamps]

Shaka Smart heading to Texas.

[gilesfan]

Have to respectively disagree. Pastner hasn't really done anything remarkable at Memphis and Pitino hasn't had enough time to build a resume worthy of a bigger (in contract terms, I mean) job.

What kind of coach do you expect for Bama?

[CrimsonCowboy]

I want a coach at Alabama who has a solid resume that is proven to lead the program back to making the NCAA Tournament. I'm not looking for a Coach K, or Roy Williams, or Tom Izzo (though some of out idiot fringe fans think Bama should go after Izzo just because he and Coach Saban worked together at Michigan State). Pastner has done okay, but nothing really that makes you jump up and say that he's a great coach. Pitino hasn't been a head coach long enough to build that resume and is coming off a rough year at Minnesota.

The SEC coaching ranks is getting stronger. In addition to Calipari and Donovan, Arkansas added Mike Anderson a couple years ago and is turning around their program. Last year, Auburn hired Bruce Pearl (even though I think he's a snake and would NEVER want him anywhere near Tuscaloosa). And in the last couple of weeks, Mississippi State got Ben Howland while Tennessee hired Rick Barnes. Alabama has to get this right, or they are going to get left behind in the SEC ranks.

[BRule]

Don't see Pitino leaving for Bama, he's going to be on the list for Louisville when his dad retires assuming he doesn't mess it up. I just don't see Bama as a step up from Minnesota in all honesty.

[weso1]

Don't see Pitino leaving for Bama, he's going to be on the list for Louisville when his dad retires assuming he doesn't mess it up. I just don't see Bama as a step up from Minnesota in all honesty.

$$$$$$$

There are several intriguing names still out there. Will Wade, Brad Underwood, Michael White, etc. Bama is a bit lucky as they really didn't even have to compete with UT and Texas for any of the really intriguing realistic mid major coaches. They have the pick of the litter.

[BRule]

Pitino is making 1.4 a year and Grant was at 1.9? Not a big difference and Pitino has a ton of bonuses in his contract + perks that it's probably not much of a difference at all.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Doesn't really matter. Pitino is not in the mix it was announced today. Reports suggest today the leaders are Steve Prohm from Murray State and Mike White from Louisiana Tech. Either would be a potential downer of a higher for a good many of the Bama basketball fans.

[NinersSBChamps]

Referees are the real MVP. I knew it was gonna be bad, but this is worse than I thought.

[Heyward]

Pretty much what i said.

MSU would get boned by the refs, and they dont have the scoring to beat Dook.

At least Dook will have to play a good team in the title game unlike 2010 but still one of the weakest bracket runs to the title game since 2010 ironically.

[NinersSBChamps]

Game isn't over. Give Duke's defense a ton of credit. They are playing that screen perfectly. They have the better players, but when the game is officiated like it is, it's tough to win. Down 11 at the half and -7 in free throws. Lol.

[sturg33]

Turning into a beatdown

[NinersSBChamps]

Turning into a beatdown

**** you piece of ****.

[bravesnumberone]

Game isn't over. Give Duke's defense a ton of credit. They are playing that screen perfectly. They have the better players, but when the game is officiated like it is, it's tough to win. Down 11 at the half and -7 in free throws. Lol.

I've been complaining about the officiating all tournament, including the Mich. St-UGA game in the first round. This is a real yawner. Hope the other game is more thrilling.

[NinersSBChamps]

We make a run and all of a sudden our best defensive player picks up two imaginary fouls.

[NinersSBChamps]

No moral victories here. Better team, but awesome officials stopped any chance of a comeback.

The NCAA wants Duke-Kentucky. They always get what they want.

[Heyward]

No moral victories here. Better team, but awesome officials stopped any chance of a comeback.

The NCAA wants Duke-Kentucky. They always get what they want.

I'll be interested how UW/UK is reffed, both teams draw a ton of fouls.

[NinersSBChamps]

I'll be interested how UW/UK is reffed, both teams draw a ton of fouls.

The narrative is the blue bloods. Wisconsin stays close for awhile, but the zebras are too much. Kentucky "wins" by 15.

[gilesfan]

Michigan St and UNC would be undefeated if the refs were fair.

[Heyward]

Michigan St and UNC would be undefeated if the refs were fair.

UNC lost at least 4-6 games this year off the refs alone, seeding would be better certainly.

[NinersSBChamps]

Michigan St and UNC would be undefeated if the refs were fair.

It's useless to talk anything, but baseball here. So many uneducated people populate this board.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Badgers taking to Kentucky early. Wildcats making some dumb mistakes.

[gilesfan]

It's useless to talk anything, but baseball here. So many uneducated people populate this board.

No kidding. If you arent a whining homer that blames the ref everytime your team loses, you dont know basketball.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Avery Johnson meeting with Alabama AD Bill Battle tonight about the head coaching job according to reports.

[bravesnumberone]

They are so in the bag for Kentucky, it's not even funny. That last "foul?" Are you freaking kidding me???

[CyYoung31]

Who's this color guy? He's horrible.

[bravesnumberone]

And now Wisconsin deciding to fall apart.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Did Lyles not think they'd see that slap?

Yet, no call! Wow!

[bravesnumberone]

Lol. No technical. What a joke.

[bravesnumberone]

Kentucky can slap people in the face, but Wisconsin can't extend an arm.

[CrimsonCowboy]

If I'm a Wisconsin fan, I'm ticked off right now

[CrimsonCowboy]

Awful Announcing ‏@awfulannouncing 1m1 minute ago
Apparently the judo chop to the throat is now a legal basketball play.

[thethe]

This officiating is terrible.

[bravesnumberone]

This officiating is terrible.

College refs don't know what a foul is; NBA refs don't know what walking is. It's a real drag on an otherwise fun sport.

[bravesnumberone]

Night night, Hackipari.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Nice job Wisconsin!

[Bj1133]

Despite some absolutely terrible calls, Wisconsin does it! B1G!

[gilesfan]

Kentucky jist fell apart at the end. Wow. Fantastic game and still a great final to look forward to.

Dekker has ****in balls of steel.

Kentuckys backcourt got worked pretty bad.

[BRule]

Okafor > Towns : )

But seriously this has gotta be a brutal ending for Kentucky and their fans. That second half was one of the worst officiated games I can remember, went both ways though. Happy for Bo Ryan, he deserves this moment.

[Runnin]

Nobody is unbeatable.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Hmmmm........................SEC vs. Big Ten in a national semifinal game. I've seen this script before...............

[zitothebrave]

The holden bitchfest is gonna be legendary. I just popped me some popcorn, hope I'm not let down.

[gilesfan]

Think you have to look at Cal here. Up 4 with a couple mins left and playcalls turn into run clock down with a Harrison shot.

[NinersSBChamps]

Lololollolololololoool

Even with the referees Kentucky lost. hahahahahhahahhhahahahahahha.

[BRule]

The holden bitchfest is gonna be legendary. I just popped me some popcorn, hope I'm not let down.

I hate Kentucky but he has a point, the refs were brutal....that shot clock violation miss is mind blowing. Granted Wisconsin got screwed as well but his bitching will be warranted.

But ....Rick > Cal

[gilesfan]

Okafor > Towns : )

But seriously this has gotta be a brutal ending for Kentucky and their fans. That second half was one of the worst officiated games I can remember, went both ways though. Happy for Bo Ryan, he deserves this moment.

Im not sure I buy Towns is significantly more athletic than Okafor. Better handles? Absolutley, not sure hes more athletic.

And he certainly isnt the scoring option that Okafor is.

[BRule]

Think you have to look at Cal here. Up 4 with a couple mins left and playcalls turn into run clock down with a Harrison shot.

It's his M.O....he always does it. Which is why I always kill him, his in game play calling sucks

[BRule]

Im not sure I buy Towns is significantly more athletic than Okafor. Better handles? Absolutley, not sure hes more athletic.

And he certainly isnt the scoring option that Okafor is.

I was saying the same thing tonight, I don't see him being a stretch 4 or way more athletic than Okafor.

[gilesfan]

I hate Kentucky but he has a point, the refs were brutal....that shot clock violation miss is mind blowing. Granted Wisconsin got screwed as well but his bitching will be warranted.

But ....Rick > Cal

Refs missed shot clock but also missed skap to face flagrant foul. Dont think either team can whine.

But heyward/Niners will

[bravesnumberone]

:popcorn:

[CrimsonCowboy]

Officiating was brutal on both sides. Should be no excuses from anyone. Wisconsin is a great team and Bo Ryan is a great coach.

[gilesfan]

I was saying the same thing tonight, I don't see him being a stretch 4 or way more athletic than Okafor.

He is not a stretch 4 at all. Unless he transforms his body and gets a lot better shooting.

[Heyward]

holden does have a point to bitch, the shot clock violation was awful.

Regarding Towns/Okafor, all depends on preference.

Refs in general were awful, UK got shafted.

That last shot was stupid, why not post up Towns?

[BRule]

He is not a stretch 4 at all. Unless he transforms his body and gets a lot better shooting.

Agreed, I don't see the Dirk comps that people are throwing around or stretch 4 crap thethe is. He looks like Bogut to me

[bravesnumberone]

Bad officiating, but in every close game, Kentucky has consistently gotten the majority of the calls. In the end, it came down to execution and coaching. 15-4 Wisconsin down the final stretch. Almost all the other teams that pushed Kentucky forgot how to play basketball in the closing minutes.

[AerchAngel]

F U CK Kentucky even if I went to high school there.

I hate the cheating ass Calipari. I was a UK fan until they hired him.

I am a Wisconsin fan because my wife went there as an accountant and work for their state as an accountant.

I was dancing, talking schit and what not the whole night.

I am high on adrenalin now that the cheating ass bastard and the 10 AA and McDonalds All Americans are going home. Undefeated season denied.


BWAHAHHHAHAHHHAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!

[Heyward]

Think you have to look at Cal here. Up 4 with a couple mins left and playcalls turn into run clock down with a Harrison shot.

Questionable shot for sure, idk why you dont post up Towns or try something better.

[NinersSBChamps]

Bunch of idiots around here...if the shoe fits..you know.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Um, how do you really feel, Aerch?:happy0157:

[AerchAngel]

you really don't want to know.

I hate cheaters, I really do.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Talk about the officiating all you want, but Wisconsin ended the game on a 15-4 run. That has nothing to do with no calls. That is solid basketball. Wisconsin played the best when it counted.

[gilesfan]

Yeah Wisky just doesnt make mistakes. Take good shots. Jackson gave them big spark.

Kentucky had one of best defenses of all time and Wisky put up 1.23 ppp

[zitothebrave]

you really don't want to know.

I hate cheaters, I really do.

I want to troll you, but I don't feel it would be appropriate for the thread.

[holden]

Well, that really ****ing sucks.

Ran into a red-hot Wisconsin team that got all the breaks. Absolutelt BRUTAL officiating. Wisconsin played out of their minds. Kentucky played pretty well.

All that said, don't get 3 shot clock violations in a row and you win anyway. No idea what Cal was doing there. Doesn't usually go into stall ball mode only up 4 with 4 minutes left. Made no sense.

Not going to hammer him too hard. Was a great season. It's the hardest tournament in the world to win. Hurts like hell right now, but I really love this team. No hard feelings for them at all.

Hate it for the Harrisons most of all. Those kids were tremendous. They don't deserve to go out like this. But the tournament isn't fair.

I hate Duke, but will probably be pulling for them. I despise Wisconsin and their cheap ass style of play. Should not be rewarded, but college officials are by-and-large terrible, so it is.

It is what it is. Worst possible ending to a great season.

[gilesfan]

Harrisons gone?

[thethe]

Agreed, I don't see the Dirk comps that people are throwing around or stretch 4 crap thethe is. He looks like Bogut to me

I never once called him a stretch 4.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Trust me, holden, I know the feeling. I had it when Ohio State beat Bama in the Sugar Bowl. Still, a great season from the Wildcats and the team has nothing to be ashamed of.

[Heyward]

Harrisons gone?

Lyles, Willie, Towns yeah.

I can maybe see them bolt, they're only 2nd rounders right now, but i dont know how much more they can improve.

Booker is probably the wildcard, he's key for UK next year.

[Heyward]

Trust me, holden, I know the feeling. I had it when Ohio State beat Bama in the Sugar Bowl. Still, a great season from the Wildcats and the team has nothing to be ashamed of.

They nothing to be ashamed of but to be that close to history is a bitter pill to swallow.

[AerchAngel]

Troll all you want.

I FU CK ING hate Calipari and i don't care where he coached. He is a FU CK ING ass cheater where ever he goes.

I was a UK fan until he arrived and then instantly hated them.

That is how much I hate that FU CK ING ass cheater.


You get 10 AA, 12 5 stars and not win it all? I really want to know how much money they lost in paying those players.

He suck as a coach and I always have.

[holden]

I honestly think college officials are racist. I think there was a study that proved that a few years ago actually.

[sturg33]

I thought niners assured me it was gonna be Duke/Kentucky finals?

[zitothebrave]

I honestly think college officials are racist. I think there was a study that proved that a few years ago actually.

Maybe they'd be called for less fouls if they committed less fouls

#krging

[sturg33]

**** you piece of ****.

Reasonable.

You got destroyed. Can't blame the officials for that