4/21/15 GDT: Markakis in the 2 spot / Gosselin tries to burn the Mets again

[thethe]

Maybin CF
Markakis RF
Gomes LF
Freeman 1B
Johnson 3B
Simmons SS
Bethancourt C
Gosselin 2B
Cahill P

[Julio3000]

Markakis higher and Bethancourt lower. Progress.

[MadduxFanII]

Hey, good on Fredi for cutting the cord on the "Eric Young, Jr.- Center fielder" gag with impressive celerity.

[Julio3000]

Hey, good on Fredi for cutting the cord on the "Eric Young, Jr.- Center fielder" gag with impressive celerity.

That was damn near instantaneous, for Fredi.

[jpx7]

Hey, good on Fredi for cutting the cord on the "Eric Young, Jr.- Center fielder" gag with impressive celerity.

Not one of the team's best bits, after a winter of spoofs and goofs—but it's a long season.

[Braves1976]

Hey, good on Fredi for cutting the cord on the "Eric Young, Jr.- Center fielder" gag with impressive celerity.

It might be just due to facing a lefty as Fredi said EYJ might sit vs lefties for Maybin. But Maybin isn't like Perez where he hits lefties best so not an ideal platoon if that's what this is.

Whatever the case, Maybin should be starting vs righties and lefties most games.

[bravesnumberone]

Gomes third....oh my lulz

[thethe]

Gomes third....oh my lulz

Gomes has been pretty beastly this year and kills lefties. I think its a smart move.

[Mad Dog Murph]

Yes, Maybin is having a career year so far. He should be starting without question

/ends sarcasm

[Dalyn]

Holy ****. This is almost the perfect vs LHP lineup.

Markakis
CJ
Freeman
Gomes
Simmons
Bethancourt
Jace
P
Maybin

Would be the perfect lineup, but damn...Fredi really pushed himself to get as close as he did. No complaints.

:FrediConfident:

[Braves1976]

Yes, Maybin is having a career year so far. He should be starting without question

/ends sarcasm

Ha, good to see you really thought about that one.

We need to give Maybin a shot in hopes to improve his trade value for down the road. Further, Mallex Smith looks like he may be ready no later than 2016 and Perez is out of options next year. I rather carry both of them in CF next year than say lose Perez via waivers simply because we were stuck with Maybin. Perez a righty hits lefties very well so he's an ideal back-up for Smith who is left handed.

[Garmel]

Could Fredi be actually........ learning? This must be the first sign of an upcoming apocalypse. I'm scared now.

[Dalyn]

Markakis higher and Bethancourt lower. Progress.

Progress THIS EARLY is remarkable. Fredi might be able to improve to just below average. That would be amazing.

[Mad Dog Murph]

Ha, good to see you really thought about that one.

We need to give Maybin a shot in hopes to improve his trade value for down the road. Further, Mallex Smith looks like he may be ready no later than 2016 and Perez is out of options next year. I rather carry both of them in CF next year than say lose Perez via waivers simply because we were stuck with Maybin. Perez a righty hits lefties very well so he's an ideal back-up for Smith who is left handed.

Ha, good to see you really think either of them will have any trade value.

[nsacpi]

Expecting a huge game from the Gosselin.

[Julio3000]

Progress THIS EARLY is remarkable. Fredi might be able to improve to just below average. That would be amazing.

Again, this is spooky fast for FG.

[Dalyn]

Again, this is spooky fast for FG.

I figure he's sick and someone else made it.

[sturg33]

I also heard Fredi talking about using Grili in non-save siturations in tie games on the road in the future... Maybe some hope after all

[Russ2dollas]

Other than Gosslin this is prob our best line up. I would say Dalyn's line up is best, but it's still progress.

Heyward evenutally hit first, so maybe we'll see Markakis up there soon. That said, first has been a plague for the Braves outside of Bourn and Furcal.......so maybe it's best to sacrifice CF to the Braves' line up gods.

Interested to see Simmons. I have no data....but in my mind he rakes at 8th and struggles everywhere else.

[Braves1976]

Ha, good to see you really think either of them will have any trade value.

It isn't a matter of that, it's about doing what's best to at least give us a shot at doing so. If Maybin bounces back a bit then maybe we can move him without paying for most of what he's owed next year. And as I said Maybin for his career has been better vs righties so he's not someone you want to platoon with EYJ or anyone else vs mostly lefties. That doesn't give him a shot at bouncing back, he needs to be starting more vs righties to have a shot at doing so.

[Julio3000]

Yes, Maybin is having a career year so far. He should be starting without question

/ends sarcasm

Starting the far superior defender, the guy with a small chance of having some legitimate value to this or another team, over the worse defender with zero upside? That's a wiser choice, both for the purposes of the rebuild and for the product on the field.

/ends complete earnestness

[Braves1976]

Starting the far superior defender, the guy with a small chance of having some legitimate value to this or another team, over the worse defender with zero upside? That's a wiser choice, both for the purposes of the rebuild and the product on the field.

/ends complete earnestness

Exactly.

[MadduxFanII]

Maybin probably shouldn't be hitting lead-off. You could probably go with something like Markakis-Gosselin/Peterson-Gomes-Freeman-Johnson-Maybin-Simmons-Bethancourt-Pitcher. Or not, it doesn't really matter that much.

[The Chosen One]

I've been saying it all along.

We're in store for what's going to be one of the legendary managerial seasons of all-time.

Fredi gave EY a shot because of loyalty through spring and being here before Maybin. He gave EY time to show he wasn't starter material and also humbled Maybin into earning the spot.

Now EY knows his role is 4th OF/defensive guy and Maybin is building confidence as our CF.

[Hawk]

I've been saying it all along.

We're in store for what's going to be one of the legendary managerial seasons of all-time.

Fredi gave EY a shot because of loyalty through spring and being here before Maybin. He gave EY time to show he wasn't starter material and also humbled Maybin into earning the spot.

Now EY knows his role is 4th OF/defensive guy and Maybin is building confidence as our CF.

The key is to keep Maybin driven by occasionally giving EYJ starts in LF and CF for no apparent reason.

[The Chosen One]

The key is to keep Maybin driven by occasionally giving EYJ starts in LF and CF for no apparent reason.

You're catching :FrediWut: drift now.

[The Chosen One]

The key is to keep Maybin driven by occasionally giving EYJ starts in LF and CF for no apparent reason.

Fredi is playing the small game.

He knows we won't score many runs, so EY will be a defensive replacement in the end of the game sometimes as early as the 7th so he may get an at-bat in a tie or close game so he needs AB's to stay sharp.

[Braves1976]

EYJ would make a great pinch runner late in a one run game, I'll give him that. I mean he could steal second and third a la Mallex Smith in AA and almost tie a game up himself if someone else gets a leadoff hit and you bring EYJ in to pinch run. The problem with EYJ is he has major issues getting on base himself. Which is too bad because I like his defense in LF a lot and his base stealing abilities.

That said, I doubt we'll get to see him do that much since in his non-starts he is usually brought in for defense in LF first.

[Hawk]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
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How do I pre-order?

[MadduxFanII]

David O'Brien
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves great Chipper Jones was here today in clubhouse. He's in NY meeting with his book publisher.

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How do I pre-order?

There will be order forms at every Hooter's in the southeast.

[Julio3000]

This is going to be the first book 100% dictated from a deer stand.

[UNCBlue012]

Personally, I'd love, at least against lefties:

Markakis RF
Peterson/Gosselin 2B
Gomes LF
Freeman 1B
CJoh 3B
Simba SS
Maybin CF
C-Beth C

[Dalyn]

Fredi has infested people with the idea of SUCK at the top of the lineup. It's so weird.

[jpx7]

Fredi has infested people with the idea of SUCK at the top of the lineup. It's so weird.

http://i.imgur.com/BT8Zb5A.jpg

[weso1]

Starting the far superior defender, the guy with a small chance of having some legitimate value to this or another team, over the worse defender with zero upside? That's a wiser choice, both for the purposes of the rebuild and for the product on the field.

/ends complete earnestness

Now if he would just use that same logic at second base.

[Julio3000]

3 GB outs for Cahill.

[Dalyn]

*puts on thethe face*

Wow. Cahill looked great there. If we can get him back to a #2, we'll have the best rotation in baseball.

[Garmel]

Cahill is looking sharp so far.

[Dalyn]

*puts on thethe face*

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH It's stuck! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2271363/rip-face-o.gif

[atl717]

Cahill was never really a #2.

[Dalyn]

Best lineup ever (balancing the options) from Fredi, and it looks like butt tears.

[Dalyn]

Cahill was never really a #2.

2010 called and wants to know if we want Bobby and Cahill back. Yes. That is the answer. Yes.

[cajunrevenge]

How long of layoff did Cahill have between his last ST apperance and his first start? That might have been the issue.

[Julio3000]

Roger McDowell is a sinker BALLER.

[Dalyn]

How long of layoff did Cahill have between his last ST apperance and his first start? That might have been the issue.

Nearly two weeks.

[Dalyn]

Roger McDowell is a sinker BALLER.

https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11165252_10153301957667952_6025295540588007160_n.j pg?oh=02dbad7cd46efa03cada4701f6e8e8c2&oe=55D55E69

[Julio3000]

How long of layoff did Cahill have between his last ST apperance and his first start? That might have been the issue.

Good point.

[Garmel]

This looks like the Cahill that was in Oakland. Very nice to see.

[cajunrevenge]

If we dont win the division I hope the Mets make it. I want to see Harvey pitch in the postseason.

[Julio3000]

This looks like the Cahill that was in Oakland. Very nice to see.

Did the Cahill that was in oakland look like an ugly baby? 'Cause this one does.

[Garmel]

Cahill looks like he has a hole in his bat. Awful sacrifice attempt.

[jsebe10]

Fckn bunt down pu$$y. Scared of the baseball.

[Garmel]

Did the Cahill that was in oakland look like an ugly baby? 'Cause this one does.

Yeah, he looked like a butt ugly baby back then too.

[Dalyn]

Did the Cahill that was in oakland look like an ugly baby? 'Cause this one does.


Yeah, he looked like a butt ugly baby back then too.

So, he looks like a normal baby?

[cajunrevenge]

ROFLBBQ, Ian Desmond 8 Errors, Braves 1.

[Dalyn]

Oh, give Markakis a hit there. Come on!

[Tapate50]

ROFLBBQ, Ian Desmond 8 Errors, Braves 1.

DAMN

[Garmel]

So, he looks like a normal baby?

Even uglier than a normal baby. Rosemary's Baby type of ugliness.

[Dalyn]

Even uglier than a normal baby. Rosemary's Baby type of ugliness.

It's hard to get uglier than a normal baby.

Here's something interesting. Cahill wasn't the ugliest guy on that Oakland team.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Adam+Rosales+Oakland+Athletics+Photo+Day+CJrgoHYo7 qbl.jpg

[Julio3000]

Oh, give Markakis a hit there. Come on!

Nick the Stick needs no more largesse from official scorers. Lady BABIP has chosen her consort.

[Dalyn]

Nick the Stick needs no more largesse from official scorers. Lady BABIP has chosen her consort.

Hope she left room for a Johnson.

[Tapate50]

Hope she left room for a Johnson.

Or two!

[Dalyn]

Or two!

Or three!

http://m.mlb.com/assets/images/1/7/6/109933176/cuts/Jim_Johnson_8wzsig6o_rph0xkqz.jpg

[Dalyn]

Terrible at-bat.

[atl717]

789 might as well be 3 pitchers batting.

[cajunrevenge]

Heywood quickly approaching the Melvin Line for the Cardinals.

[Runnin]

Heywood quickly approaching the Melvin Line for the Cardinals.
He's hitting between 2 dangerous hitters and should get plenty of good pitches to hit.

[Julio3000]

789 might as well be 3 pitchers batting.

Yeah, Chip said something like "Great chance to score the first run here with Bethancourt and Gosselin coming up . . ."

:FrediPuzzled:

[keithlaw]

Or three!

http://m.mlb.com/assets/images/1/7/6/109933176/cuts/Jim_Johnson_8wzsig6o_rph0xkqz.jpg

In a row?

[Julio3000]

In a row?

In a Mukaki rebuild . . .

[Braves78]

I had asked in one of the GDT at the beginning of the season what people see in CB because I don't see much. At this point having CB up with the big league club seems like a mistake he clearly doesn't look ready that is if he ever will. Why not send him down and let AJ be our everyday catcher? Seems to me that any confidence CB may have had in himself is diminishing by the day he looks terrible at the plate.

[Dalyn]

In a row?

In a hole.

With their pole.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

[Julio3000]

In a hole.

With their pole.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

In bed?

At the Ted?

[cajunrevenge]

I had asked in one of the GDT at the beginning of the season what people see in CB because I don't see much. At this point having CB up with the big league club seems like a mistake he clearly doesn't look ready that is if he ever will. Why not send him down and let AJ be our everyday catcher? Seems to me that any confidence CB may have had in himself is diminishing by the day he looks terrible at the plate.

He has always struggled when promoted. Its worth it to give him through the beginning of next year to see if he can adjust. He doesnt have to hit that much to be an average starter for the position.

[jsebe10]

Nick needs to be leading off

[atl717]

My bad we have 4 pitchers batting consecutively.

[Dalyn]

In bed?

At the Ted?

I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. Some come from ahead and some come from behind.

[Julio3000]

Nick Markakis is like a skinny, white, no-personality Tony Gwynn right now.

[jsebe10]

I had asked in one of the GDT at the beginning of the season what people see in CB because I don't see much. At this point having CB up with the big league club seems like a mistake he clearly doesn't look ready that is if he ever will. Why not send him down and let AJ be our everyday catcher? Seems to me that any confidence CB may have had in himself is diminishing by the day he looks terrible at the plate.

Because he's 23?

Because he's played in like a minimal amount of games at the professional level not even covering a full season?

Because he's the best catcher we've had in that position since David Ross?

And because he has an absolute cannon and can improve his hitting.

[Dalyn]

Nick Markakis is like a skinny, white, no-personality Tony Gwynn right now.

That's actually probably a lot like the current Tony Gwynn.

[Julio3000]

This feels like it may be one of those nights.

OTOH, Cahill's got me catching feelings like
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff511/poinsett/edf91084-bcac-405f-affe-d2f14d7e9b72_zps86a5c49c.jpg

[Julio3000]

That's actually probably a lot like the current Tony Gwynn.

Whoa. That is so very wrong and so very funny.

[keithlaw]

I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. Some come from ahead and some come from behind.

And then when Kelly finished first and James did the same
A sticky substance fell upon the scorer of the game

[atl717]

Cahill self destructing against their turds at the bottom of the lineup.

[jsebe10]

Sinker ain't sinking no more.

[Hawk]

What happened to Cahill all of a sudden?

[bravesnumberone]

Everything with Cahill is flat. Have no clue why he was signed.

[thewupk]

Cahill self destructing

All apart of the plan

[UNCBlue012]

I knew this was way too good to be true.

[thewupk]

Everything with Cahill is flat. Have no clue why he was signed.

We're gonna flip him in 2 months

[Dalyn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CC5y10BW0AAeH5S.jpg

[jsebe10]

Everything with Cahill is flat. Have no clue why he was signed.

No we traded for this clown. Actually pursued him.

[bravesnumberone]

No we traded for this clown. Actually pursued him.

Already forgot. Shows how insignificant he is.

Great job, Gosselin. But hey, at least we have another right hitter in there!

[Hawk]

That is precisely why that dude shouldn't be on a Major League roster.

[UNCBlue012]

Hahaha Jace easily has that.

[bravesnumberone]

Hahaha Jace easily has that.

Or Callaspo. But they're left-handed hitters, so...:FrediPuzzled:

[Dalyn]

Great call on playing Gosselin, Fredi.

[jsebe10]

Hahaha Jace easily has that.

But but but but...He bwats weft handed!!

[Dalyn]

That is precisely why that dude shouldn't be on a Major League roster.

He's like a Brooks Conrad who also can't hit.

[UNCBlue012]

And Cahill should be pulled. This makes me so mad.

[jsebe10]

Fckn head case. Completely different mechanics from the earlier innings and choking.

[atl717]

We can turn this one off. I hate Cahill. His stuff does not lend to success.

[Julio3000]

Well, Gosselin did run hard to first after grounding out a few minutes ago.

[UNCBlue012]

Hahaha these are garbage hitters, Cahill.

[Dalyn]

No meeting on the mound. Nothing. ****ty coaching.

[jsebe10]

Doesn't help that we make that fckn hook nose Neise look like Cy Young literally every time he faces us.

[Dalyn]

Cahill drinks butt tears.

[jsebe10]

Cahill drinks butt tears.

No worries. He'll have about 10 more starts to turn things around.

[bravesnumberone]

Ryne Sandberg....I mean, Ryan Gosling....I mean Phil Gosselin's error didn't help, but Cahill's pitches are straight as an arrow. Dude has got to go. Waste of a roster space. Martin, Wandy and all the other kids would have been better. Could have kept David Hale and done this for Christ's sake. At least give us Wang so we could make more dick jokes.

[Braves1976]

We can turn this one off. I hate Cahill. His stuff does not lend to success.

This is why I hated the trade as initially reported, Cahill hasn't been good in years. Plus I knew the trade would lead to my boy Wandy going byebye. So it was a double whammy for me. Oh well.

[Garmel]

We're going to kill the bullpen tonight and tomorrow with Stults pitching. It's time to think about bringing up some of our young Gwinnett guys. We can't continue to have the 4th and 5th spots be automatic losses.

[Dalyn]

Ryne Sandberg....I mean, Ryan Gosling....I mean Phil Gosselin's error didn't help, but Cahill's pitches are straight as an arrow. Dude has got to go. Waste of a roster space. Martin, Wandy and all the other kids would have been better. Could have kept David Hale and done this for Christ's sake. At least give us Wang so we could make more dick jokes.

Oh, Hale. :Sad:

[bravesnumberone]

Doesn't help that we make that fckn hook nose Neise look like Cy Young literally every time he faces us.

But righty hitters against the lefty! Gomes is third! HE KILLS LEFTIES ZOMGGGGGGGGGGG

[bravesnumberone]

We're going to kill the bullpen tonight and tomorrow with Stults pitching. It's time to think about bringing up some of our young Gwinett guys.

Starters have got to start pitching deeper. Hell, if this one is already lost and Cahiil has to give up 18 runs in 7 innings, then go for it.

[Braves1976]

I agree Gosselin should be in AAA but Cahill made his own mess and just isn't good. Plus Gosselin is a good defender normally at second, his bat isn't good though. Plus I'd argue that we have better players than him that can play his main positions in AAA. I even like Pedro Ciriaco better than Gosselin.

[Dalyn]

We're going to kill the bullpen tonight and tomorrow with Stults pitching. It's time to think about bringing up some of our young Gwinett guys.

http://s22.postimg.org/w64nnxqw1/Cozy_Martin.jpg

[jsebe10]

We're going to kill the bullpen tonight and tomorrow with Stults pitching. It's time to think about bringing up some of our young Gwinett guys.

They should be here already!!!!! That's the point. If the idea is to rebuild at all costs so you throw out a lineup of bench reserves the entire the season, the same should apply to the pitching staff. Folty and others are passing away on valueable experience right now.

[bravesnumberone]

http://s22.postimg.org/w64nnxqw1/Cozy_Martin.jpg

http://33.media.tumblr.com/1ca8bf9815d3591ed7e5a7971907054c/tumblr_n81wjvWkeE1sofyc6o1_500.gif

[Hawk]

@mlbbowman: The first four innings indicated a few weeks of limited activity helped Cahill's stuff. The fifth indicated inactivity affected his stamina

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That makes no sense.

[Garmel]

http://s22.postimg.org/w64nnxqw1/Cozy_Martin.jpg

Yeah, he's not a bad choice either. :)

[Dalyn]

@mlbbowman: The first four innings indicated a few weeks of limited activity helped Cahill's stuff. The fifth indicated inactivity affected his stamina

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That makes no sense.

:Bowman:

[Dalyn]

4-0

Best team in the NL putting us in our place.

[Garmel]

@mlbbowman: The first four innings indicated a few weeks of limited activity helped Cahill's stuff. The fifth indicated inactivity affected his stamina

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That makes no sense.

I think Bowman needs to spend more time learning baseball than eating Krispy Kremes.

[Braves1976]

I'd went with Wandy and Martin at the start and saved 5.5 million bucks for other needs.

[bravesnumberone]

@mlbbowman: The first four innings indicated a few weeks of limited activity helped Cahill's stuff. The fifth indicated inactivity affected his stamina

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That makes no sense.

http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/lewis_black.jpg

[Julio3000]

@mlbbowman: The first four innings indicated a few weeks of limited activity helped Cahill's stuff. The fifth indicated inactivity affected his stamina

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That makes no sense.

:Bowman:

That's probably what Hart just texted him.

[Hawk]

He looked safe, but it was close.

[jsebe10]

Challenge it fat a$$!!!

[bravesnumberone]

Lulz. He was safe, but Fredi will argue that and not the other day's crap?

[UNCBlue012]

FREDI

[Garmel]

Fredi didn't even challenge it. What a dip****.

[Dalyn]

There's no way this is going to get back to Gomes who hits a HR.

[WaitingFor2017]

So, Fredi will challenge a clear catch made by Christian Yelich and lose a challenge early in a game but won't challenge a call at 2nd where Andrelton looked safe in a game where we need runners in scoring position?

Makes sense.

[bravesnumberone]

Replace Horacio with Cahill in the replay booth. :Bowman:

[Dalyn]

I really really really really really dislike Fredi.

[Garmel]

SMH. I can't believe our manager. What a dumb non challenge.

[jsebe10]

And here come the walks.

[Dalyn]

I'm almost at the point where I would rather have Martin Prado managing.

[WaitingFor2017]

Will Cunniff still have an arm around Memorial Day?

I forgot that the Braves like Tommy John patients.

[TURBO]

Will Cunniff still have an arm around Memorial Day?

I forgot that the Braves like Tommy John patients.

Hes pitched like less then an inning the last few days.

[bravesnumberone]

SMH. I can't believe our manager. What a dumb non challenge.

I can. What I can't believe is some still think he's good. They have to be trolling.

[Braves1976]

SMH. I can't believe our manager. What a dumb non challenge.

I can, if you look up idiot in the dictionary there should be a picture of Fredi there. :)

[Dalyn]

Will Cunniff still have an arm around Memorial Day?

I forgot that the Braves like Tommy John patients.

Now that Uggla isn't on the team, Fredi's back to pounding Cunny nightly.

[Braves1976]

I can. What I can't believe is some still think he's good. They have to be trolling.

No kidding.

[Russ2dollas]

cahill not good. but on the road vs hottest team in baseball. If Gosslin gets the double play then he's probably through 5 with a couple of runs.............is it fair to expect more than that?

When 4/5 pitch we need to hit.

This is the Braves team most of us thought we'd see in the off season.

[Dalyn]

cahill not good. but on the road vs hottest team in baseball. If Gosslin gets the double play then he's probably through 5 with a couple of runs.............is it fair to expect more than that?

When 4/5 pitch we need to hit.

This is the Braves team most of us thought we'd see in the off season.

MEAT

[JusticeForAll23]

I'm not getting to watch and just saw the score. Can I just assume that any night Teheran, Wood, or Miller aren't pitching we can chalk up a loss unless the offense comes out on fire?

[Hawk]

The Grandy Man Can

[jsebe10]

And here comes the swift cool hitting Granderson to bat following finally getting his only two RBI on the season.

[Dalyn]

I'm not getting to watch and just saw the score. Can I just assume that any night Teheran, Wood, or Miller aren't pitching we can chalk up a loss unless the offense comes out on fire?

You know what they say about assuming. You make a Fredi out of yourself.

[jsebe10]

Walks kill you EVERYTIME!!!!!!!

[Braves1976]

Gosselin slowed that one where Markakis couldn't nail him, lol.

Gosselin needs to take a seat, nothing going right for him tonight.

[WaitingFor2017]

Gosselin likely costs another run by slowing the ball down. You can't make this stuff up.

[bravesnumberone]

Gosselin slowed that one where Markakis couldn't nail him, lol.

Heyward would have gotten him anyway.

[Braves1976]

Heyward would have gotten him anyway.

True, plus he'd ran over Gosselin in the process sending him to the DL and repeat of Pastornicky situation for Gosselin. :)

[dak]

@BravesReddit
FYI, Mets broadcast showed an angle that looks like it would have been impossible to overturn as Simmons leg came up while tag was on

@BravesReddit
Appeared to be a good decision not to challenge

[Dalyn]

Anyone else tired of our pitchers cheating and our hitters just being content sucking fair and square?

[bravesnumberone]

Lol. Seriously, what kind of dumb park has that rule?

[WaitingFor2017]

Ricocheted off the railing = homer

[Braves1976]

Maybin with his third homer.

[Garmel]

At least we won't get shut out.

[jsebe10]

Hit the showers hook nose.

[jsebe10]

So with the righty coming in, does Fredi take out all the RH?

[Dalyn]

So with the righty coming in, does Fredi take out all the LH hitters not named Freddie and Nick?

One small step at a time.

[WaitingFor2017]

Hit one to the Pepsi sign, Freddie.

[jsebe10]

Fckn Terry Collins

[jsebe10]

Hit one to the Pepsi sign, Freddie.

Not happening. Take a strike...foul one off...then swing and miss on a sweeping slider that's not even close

[dak]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1869360/images/o-ALEX-TORRES-facebook.jpg

[Braves1976]

BTW, the headline about Gosselin burning the Mets again backfired tonight. He burned us tonight, though Cahill's struggles did too.

[bravesnumberone]

Way to battle, Freddie

[jsebe10]

Yup he's ready to be the guy

[UNCBlue012]

Freddie has always had the tendency to struggle against some of the most garbage relievers.

[Garmel]

Ugh! Freddie's had some ugly at bats tonight.

[WaitingFor2017]

Wow. Freddie must've definitely been thinking off-speed there. That was a pitch Freddie typically pounds into left center.

[Dalyn]

Freeman has been AWFUL with RISP this year. Killing us. Ugh.

[Braves1976]

Teheran gets to watch his cousin pitch again.

[jsebe10]

And on comes the guy that everyone is in love with because of his name

[UNCBlue012]

Freeman has been AWFUL with RISP this year. Killing us. Ugh. it's super early, but he's pressing so hard to be the power guy,

[Dalyn]

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2nva32u.jpg

[Julio3000]

His momma call him Sugar Ray, his daddy call him Sugar Ray, Ima call him Sugar Ray.

[Braves1976]

BTW, Peraza has been on base four more times tonight for Gwinnett, 3 hits and a walk to go along with two stolen bases. He had three hits last night too, though a blind ump called one a catch in RF. Albies has another multi-hit game tonight for Rome too including a triple. All these speedy hitters are suddenly hot. Perez only has one hit tonight for Gwinnett but it was a great bunt and he then stole second easy as usual. He should've walked in the 9th too but got called out on strikes. Mallex Smith and Matt Lipka are doing great for Mississippi too, Lipka has two more hits tonight and Smith another RBI.

Good to see the Braves young speedy hitters in the minors doing well.

[jsebe10]

BTW, Peraza has been on base four more times tonight for Gwinnett, 3 hits and a walk to go along with two stolen bases. He had three hits last night too, though a blind up called one a catch in RF. Albies has another multi-hit game tonight for Rome too including a triple. All these speedy hitters are suddenly hot. Perez only has one hit tonight for Gwinnett but it was a great bunt and he then stole second easy as usual. He should've walked in the 9th too but got called out on strikes.

Good to see the Braves young speedy hitters doing well.

+1

[jsebe10]

Ooooo look. It's Carlos Torres. The former accountant and father of 3 from Brooklyn. Fcker owns us too

[Dalyn]

:FrediGreen:

[Dalyn]

The bench is a thing, Fredi. You can use it DURING the game. Not just when you're deciding who should lead off.

[jsebe10]

:FrediGreen:

Heyward 0-4 tonight. Sliding into his usual early half misery.

[Dalyn]

Heyward 0-4 tonight. Sliding into his usual early half misery.

I don't even give a ****.

:HeywardWut:

[Braves1976]

Well, at least Bethancourt hit it some place other than right at the RFer that time. :)

[jsebe10]

I don't even give a ****.

:HeywardWut:

Just trying to keep in the loop during the break.

Better than watching that gay @$$ Chevy commercial with that doucher Kid Rock screaming.

[jsebe10]

Maybe Cahill should do a Landmark car commercial since every pitcher we've had do one is gone.

[Braves1976]

Braves win, Braves win!

The Gwinnett Braves that is. :)

[bravesnumberone]

Just trying to keep in the loop during the break.

Better than watching that gay @$$ Chevy commercial with that doucher Kid Rock screaming.

The same doucher Kid Rock song John Hart had playing when he decided to keep Fredi and trade for Cahill.

[Braves1976]

Why is Gomes still in LF? Just wondering.

[jsebe10]

Gattis catches that.

[TURBO]

Gattis would have had it :icwudt:

[TURBO]

Gattis catches that.

Ha beat me to it.

[Braves1976]

Did y'all see Simmons? I think he told Gomes, damn I could've caught that if I knew you were that bad. JK but Simmons did go further than that one game in Toronto. :)

[Braves1976]

BTW, I doubt Teheran's cousin lasts long in the Majors.

[Julio3000]

Why is Gomes still in LF? Just wondering.

Chip compounded the misery by calling it a rulebook double.

[jsebe10]

Ha beat me to it.

Haha

[jsebe10]

BTW, I doubt Teheran's cousin lasts long in the Majors.

Shhhh

Dude, you will get stoned for saying that. They think hes good for some reason.

[jsebe10]

God help us when we have to face Harvey

[Braves1976]

Shhhh

Dude, you will get stoned for saying that. They think hes good for some reason.

I was hoping they just called him up to make Teheran happy. :)

[Braves1976]

So do y'all think the Mets are for real or pretenders?

[UNCBlue012]

So do y'all think the Mets are for real or pretenders?

Both. I think they're a good team, but I don't know how they hold up over the course of a season, especially with injuries to the rotation and bullpen.

Also, I don't trust Colon, at all.

[Julio3000]

So do y'all think the Mets are for real or pretenders?

Pretty good little team for a WC run if healthy. Probably on the outside looking in, but games in April count just as much as games in September.

[Braves1976]

Pretty good little team for a WC run if healthy. Probably on the outside looking in, but games in April count just as much as games in September.

Pretty much my take too, if healthy I like them better mainly due to their starting pitching.

[Millwood1Hitter]

Cahill is hot garbage? To me Rogers a top 3 pitching coach in the game, but I just don't see anything here that screams he can turn it around like so many have before. Am I missing something here, or is this just a bad judgement call on our organization and scouting departments? I just don't see any upside here, and you'd think we would have learned our lesson on acquiring pitchers from the Dbacks after the Albie Lopez experiment failed miserably.

[GovClintonTyree]

Cahill is hot garbage? To me Rogers a top 3 pitching coach in the game, but I just don't see anything here that screams he can turn it around like so many have before. Am I missing something here, or is this just a bad judgement call on our organization and scouting departments? I just don't see any upside here, and you'd think we would have learned our lesson on acquiring pitchers from the Dbacks after the Albie Lopez experiment failed miserably.

I think it's more like Rachel Phelps is running Liberty and trying to squeeze the team until she can move it to Smyrna. He fixed Avilan, Carpenter. Made Jorge Campillo, Buddy Carlyle and David Carpenter serviceable. Let's see if he can fix the sorriest swinging dick in the majors. $5.5m? No worries, we've got that in the cushions. It's not the money, we just want to **** with our non-core asset 'cause we can.

[Dalyn]

Cahill started to fall apart AFTER Young (best pitching coach in baseball) left Oakland in 2010/11. By the time Young returned to Oakland in 2012, Cahill was gone.

[CJ9]

Also, I don't trust Colon, at all.

I think we've all been there.

[thethe]

What an ugly ass game. I just don't get the point in playing Goselin. We know he isn't a major leaguer.

[50PoundHead]

His momma call him Sugar Ray, his daddy call him Sugar Ray, Ima call him Sugar Ray.

I'm torn. I want to call him Artificial Sweetener Ray because he's not the real thing, but on the other hand, the opposing hitters are getting fat off him, so I suppose Sugar Ray is appropriate.

[clvclv]

What an ugly ass game. I just don't get the point in playing Goselin. We know he isn't a major leaguer.

Afraid I have to agree at this point. I understand Fredi taking a few ABs away from Peterson to give to Callaspo in the "soft platoon" deal, so I don't scream about it. We'd love to get Callaspo's value up a bit and be able to get some kind of useful piece for him, even if it's only a potential pen arm. I won't say a word to anyone who screams about those ABs going to Gosselin however.

I understand that we're going to see a lot of players given time over the next couple seasons as Hart & Company try to find out what they've got, but I think there ought to be an almost consensus opinion about Phil at this point - his positional flexibility could make him a decent bench piece for someone, but on a team where you've got Peterson (who can handle 2B, SS, and 3B), Callaspo (who can handle 2B and 3B), KJ (who can handle 1B, 2B, 3B, and both corner OF spots), and EY (who can handle CF, LF, and 2B in a pinch) and you've got much better flex guys biding time in AAA and AA there's not much reason for Gosselin to be taking up space on this roster.

I'd almost argue that we'd be better off carrying an extra Pitcher in the pen over Gosselin to give some of those guys a look with the current maneuverability Fredi's got with position players.

[Enscheff]

Goss is the utility IFer on the roster and hasn't been in a game since the 15th. I have no problem with him getting a start against a LHed pitcher. Having both Goss and Simmons on the IF "should" have helped a groundball pitcher like Cahill.

Yes, his error likely led to Cahill's implosion (who looked pretty good before that inning), but this was exactly the right time to get Goss some ABs.

[Julio3000]

Shhhh

Dude, you will get stoned for saying that. They think hes good for some reason.

Necktied, maybe. Get your regional barbarities straight.

[Julio3000]

Shhhh

Dude, you will get stoned for saying that. They think hes good for some reason.

Indeed I will.

/Jordan Schafer

[jpx7]

Goss is the utility IFer on the roster

The essential argument is that this, in fact, is the problem.

[Julio3000]

Ed Giovanola thinks Gosselin is fringe-y.

[clvclv]

Goss is the utility IFer on the roster and hasn't been in a game since the 15th. I have no problem with him getting a start against a LHed pitcher. Having both Goss and Simmons on the IF "should" have helped a groundball pitcher like Cahill.

Yes, his error likely led to Cahill's implosion (who looked pretty good before that inning), but this was exactly the right time to get Goss some ABs.


This is where I think jpx7 and others are right in their criticism personally. Gosselin is absolute overkill at this juncture. If the goal is to load up with RH hitters against the lefty, Callaspo should've been playing 2B and Johnson should've been playing 3B since they're both better hitters. If the goal was to put the best defensive team on the field since we were running a sinkerballer like Cahill out there, Callaspo should've been at 3B and Peterson should've been at 2B.

For me, it really has nothing to do with the error he made last night. Gosselin is simply getting in the way of giving ABs to someone we need to find out more about (was Peterson's spring really just a flash in the pan, or is he going to hit well enough to potentially hold down 2B everyday until Albies is ready so Peraza could be dangled in another big deal perhaps?) or guys we're trying to build value for in the hope of getting something back for (can we get Johnson and Callaspo hot enough to potentially get useful returns for either or both?).

I'd think that if the EY experiment is coming to a close in favor of trying to find out more about Maybin (and even Perez or Cunningham at some point), it also makes sense to close the book on Gosselin to find out more about Peterson, Ciriaco, and eventually even Elmer Reyes. What we do already know is that all 3 CFs are likely better long-term options than EY and that all 3 utility guys are likely better long-term options than Gosselin.