6/7/15: GDT - Pittsburgh Pirates @ Atlanta Braves (Peterson back at 2B)

[thethe]

Peterson 2B
Maybin CF
Freeman 1B
Markakis RF
Uribe 3B
Pierzynski C
Simmons SS
Cunningham LF
Wood P

[Heyward]

Probably the best offensive lineup we got until KJ is back.

Gonna be a tough one today, Gerritt Cole is as good as any pitcher in baseball.

[jsebe10]

I hope Bethancourt enjoys his day off and getting back to ice cold in the bench. Stupid day games after night games that's not good for a 23 year old to catch in

[thethe]

What a pitch sequence to Mcutch.

[thethe]

Please never trade Simmons.

[jsebe10]

Nobody better on that back hand jump throw. Nobody better

[Braves1976]

Good job by Wood, but having Simmons at short helped there or it could be 2-0 Pirates.

[thethe]

Jace doing Jace things. Good AB resulting in a walk.

[Braves1976]

Welcome back Peterson, hope the hand is okay. Good start walking against a tough pitcher.

[Braves1976]

No appeal but we appealed last night? Look like he tagged Peterson on the back of his calf. Maybe out as it was a great throw, but very close.

[Braves1976]

Maybin is now hitting .291 after today's first inning infield hit.

[thethe]

Going to be tough to scratch some runs across on this kid. He's a stud.

[thethe]

I hope Uribe is open to signing on for another year with the Braves next year. We could do a lot worse than Uribe at 3B for next season.

[Braves1976]

Going to be tough to scratch some runs across on this kid. He's a stud.

Uribe got this inning started good. Maybe we can get him in for a run.

[Braves1976]

I hope Uribe is open to signing on for another year with the Braves next year. We could do a lot worse than Uribe at 3B for next season.

Given the other options for third, I am leaning towards that idea too.

[VirginiaBrave]

Woody getting it going. Two years from now, Miller, Wood, and Folty the new big three.... Also if we stay in this thing ( and we will), Uribe might be pickup of the year.

[USMA76]

Useless at bat by AJ.

[WaitingFor2017]

Worthless at-bat from AJ.

[Heyward]

Woody getting it going. Two years from now, Miller, Wood, and Folty the new big three.... Also if we stay in this thing ( and we will), Uribe might be pickup of the year.

Julio?

[cajunrevenge]

I hope Uribe is open to signing on for another year with the Braves next year. We could do a lot worse than Uribe at 3B for next season.

What if he wants a 2 year deal?

[Braves1976]

Woody getting it going. Two years from now, Miller, Wood, and Folty the new big three.... Also if we stay in this thing ( and we will), Uribe might be pickup of the year.

Wood is underrated around here IMO.

[VirginiaBrave]

Julio?

Hunch says he is wearing another uni by then. I hope not, but one of these guys will have to likely go to get that big bat they need.

[Braves1976]

What if he wants a 2 year deal?

If he wants two years I'd offer a year with a vesting option/team option (similar to Gomes contract).

[thethe]

Wood is underrated around here IMO.

I don't think he is underrated. We just dont' see that type of motion often so some of us are scared off by it.

[Braves1976]

I don't think he is underrated. We just dont' see that type of motion often so some of us are scared off by it.

Says one of those that underrates him IMO. :)

[Heyward]

What if he wants a 2 year deal?

Give it him?

What are our other options, realistically.

[thethe]

What if he wants a 2 year deal?

Depending on the AAV I'd do it. Worst case is that he is a great bench player in that second year.

[thethe]

Says one of those that underrates him IMO. :)

I think he is a borderline #1. I've always said that sir.

[Heyward]

Hunch says he is wearing another uni by then. I hope not, but one of these guys will have to likely go to get that big bat they need.

I think Wood is more likely to be dealt if they trade a pitcher for a bat.

[Heyward]

Wood is underrated around here IMO.

Most people like him, alot are just scared of his mechanics long-term and would sell him sooner than later.

[thethe]

Nice to see a sure handed third baseman out there. That alone makes Uribe worth extending.

[Julio3000]

Uribe always surprises me with his play at 3B.

[Braves1976]

I think he is a borderline #1. I've always said that sir.

I don't think you've always said that, and it isn't consistent with past arguments you made when he was struggling etc. Plus you've brought up offering him in trades for returns that are quite frankly not enough for a "borderline #1" too.

[thethe]

I don't think you've always said that, and it isn't consistent with past arguments you made when he was struggling etc. Plus you've brought up offering him in trades for returns that are quite frankly not enough for a "borderline #1" too.

I have always been extremely high on Alex. The only reason I ever trade him is because of his unorthodox motion. How can anyone argue with his performance so far in his career?

[Braves1976]

Most people like him, alot are just scared of his mechanics long-term and would sell him sooner than later.

I never said they didn't like him, I said he was underrated around here. I could copy and paste the posts but I rather not get into that debate again.

[thethe]

Geez, this kid can dial it up to high 90's whenever he wants.

[thethe]

Peterson just hit a 98 MPH fast with authority to left field. Was right over the plate but that was impressive.

[Braves1976]

I have always been extremely high on Alex. The only reason I ever trade him is because of his unorthodox motion. How can anyone argue with his performance so far in his career?

If not for that unorthdox motion he'd never fell to us in the draft, it's a big part of his deception and why we should keep him rather than trade him.

[thethe]

Maybin again hitting a ball hard to the opposite field and GREAT baserunning by Jace.

Love the top of this lineup right now.

[Braves1976]

Peterson just hit a 98 MPH fast with authority to left field. Was right over the plate but that was impressive.

Yea, looks like his hand is okay today.

[thethe]

If not for that unorthdox motion he'd never fell to us in the draft, it's a big part of his deception and why we should keep him rather than trade him.

I'm not going to pretend to know what I'm talking about. Just repeating things that others have said about the potential injury. If you tell me its the same risk as anyone else then sure I would keep Alex.

[jpx7]

Going the other way is the quickest, surest way to get Joe vocally engorged.

[VirginiaBrave]

Nobody out I would safety squezze

[Heyward]

Nobody out I would safety squezze

There's 1 out, Wood K'd to start the inning.

[thethe]

Why aren't the trainers out checking Freddie?

[USMA76]

Hope Freddie's okay. Break a tibia that way.

[Braves1976]

Maybin up to .295 average now, ouch that was bad. Freeman was nailed in the knee with a big fastball. Hope he's okay.

[thethe]

That might have been the worst AB for Nick all year. Awful.

[jpx7]

Terrible PA by Muks.

[Braves1976]

I'm not going to pretend to know what I'm talking about. Just repeating things that others have said about the potential injury. If you tell me its the same risk as anyone else then sure I would keep Alex.

Of course there are dangers with injury, but there is with all pitchers and some more than others. It's just his potential is so much and he's cheap and I'd argue a lot harder to replace than some around here make out with their trade ideas.

[USMA76]

That might have been the worst AB for Nick all year. Awful.

This.

[WaitingFor2017]

So many wasted opportunities against Cole so far. You have to take advantage of them since he is a great pitcher.

[Braves1976]

Markakis bad AB cost us that inning. Oh well.

[VirginiaBrave]

He almost booted that...

[thethe]

Damn, needed to get something there.

[Heyward]

Not good, at least his pitch count got up a little, that was where it hurt not having a legit cleanup hitter.

[AerchAngel]

Markakis bad AB cost us that inning. Oh well.

Go-Go's signature song....................

[jsebe10]

Not good, at least his pitch count got up a little, that was where it hurt not having a legit cleanup hitter.

+1

[Braves1976]

Not good, at least his pitch count got up a little, that was where it hurt not having a legit cleanup hitter.

Personally, I would give Uribe a shot at clean-up given his power compared to other options.

[USMA76]

Had no idea Uribe's this solid defensively.

[buck75]

Nick's best pitch to hit was the hanging curve that was outside. Thought he'd slap it to LF.

[Braves1976]

Had no idea Uribe's this solid defensively.

Uribe had a 17 DRS at third last season alone, for comparison CJ was like -13 DRS or -15 DRS (something like that). I think you can do the math there, night and day difference.

[Heyward]

Personally, I would give Uribe a shot at clean-up given his power compared to other options.

I was gonna say we should swap Uribe and Nick going forward to split the lefties up, but Nick has been good for the most part despite no power.

[USMA76]

Uribe had a 17 DRS at third last season alone, for comparison CJ was like -13 DRS or -15 DRS (something like that). I think you can do the math there, night and day difference.

For whatever reason, i've always been a little skeptical of many of the defensive metrics. However, the stats you cited above certainly verify what Braves fans are seeing as the stark defensive contrast between Uribe and CJ.

[Prikichi]

I just read somewhere that Melvin is making his 2015 debut tomorrow in Atlanta. Should be fun.

[jsebe10]

Please let CB catch....every game please

[Braves1976]

Simmons looked like he was ready to charge the mound.

[thethe]

Too bad we didn't have Folty going in this series.

[USMA76]

Too bad we didn't have Folty going in this series.

To put a 96 mph fastball between McCutcheon's ribs?

[thethe]

That woudl be beyond stupid to hit Cole here. Take the auto out dammit.

[thethe]

To put a 96 mph fastball between McCutcheon's ribs?

Yup, but more like 100 MPH.

[Braves1976]

I just read somewhere that Melvin is making his 2015 debut tomorrow in Atlanta. Should be fun.

Melvin vs Maybin? I'll take Maybin. :)

[chop2chip]

To put a 96 mph fastball between McCutcheon's ribs?
Makes sense to punish Cutch because Cole accidentally hit two of our guys.

[Heyward]

Walking the pitcher isnt good.

[jpx7]

Take the auto out dammit.

You were saying?

[jpx7]

Walking the pitcher isnt good.

And it's been a self-destructive pattern across the Braves staff over the past couple weeks.

[jsebe10]

To put a 96 mph fastball between McCutcheon's ribs?

He's a good ball player but I'm beginning to see he's a cocky and flashy mfer this series. He's done a couple small things that are making me dislike him.

[USMA76]

Makes sense to punish Cutch because Cole accidentally hit two of our guys.

They hit two of our best players, I was just asking teethe if he thought it appropriate that we hit one of theirs.

[jpx7]

Deserve this when you walk the pitcher.

[UNCBlue012]

The pirates have been so overly
Lucky this series

[UNCBlue012]

I don't get why this team doesn't take the should be auto out in the pitcher

[cajunrevenge]

There's a brown spot on Alex's hat that he keeps touching while "readjusting" his hat after every pitch.

[USMA76]

McCutcheon with the bases loaded and one out in the fifth could go a long way in determining the final outcome of this game.

[Braves1976]

Come on Wood one more!

[jpx7]

There's a brown spot on Alex's hat that he keeps touching while "readjusting" his hat after every pitch.

You think it's poop?

[USMA76]

DAMMIT!

[jpx7]

Not a good pitch by Wood.

[Five]

Keep walking pitchers.....terrible.

[Braves1976]

I didn't like that call by AJ nor the change-up call to start on Kang. Kang was all over the off-speed his first AB, so starting him with one was not smart IMO.

[AerchAngel]

Bases loaded 1 out, we don't score.

Bases loaded 2 out, they scored 3 so far.

smh

[USMA76]

Keep walking pitchers.....terrible.

Hate to say Wood deserves it but walking the pitcher with one out nobody on in a scoreless game...???

[UNCBlue012]

Stupid pitching. You'd think he would try to not do that.

[AerchAngel]

McCutcheon with the bases loaded and one out in the fifth could go a long way in determining the final outcome of this game.

he k'd but we have a catcher and pitcher with no brains and decided to throw something half this board could hit.

[atl717]

Why would you throw a pitch right down the middle on an 0-2 count. The stupidity of players amazes me sometimes.

[chop2chip]

They hit two of our best players, I was just asking teethe if he thought it appropriate that we hit one of theirs.

Sure. Arizona used that logic last year and they hit Cutch on his hand and ended his season. If you want to support that then go ahead.

[USMA76]

Did Wood just get tossed?

[jpx7]

Did Wood get tossed right there?

Guess so. The ump really was asking for it.

[jsebe10]

Great now Woody just got tossed

[USMA76]

Sure. Arizona used that logic last year and they hit Cutch on his hand and ended his season. If you want to support that then go ahead.

Lighten up Francis, I was simply asking thethe a question.

[atl717]

We have some nice pitchers but we need that stud. Hope Shelby is that guy. Even when Julio was on top of his game he was not striking out enough to be great.

[jsebe10]

Did Wood get tossed right there?

Fckn idiot! Team needs to fine his dumb ass for that. He just single handily put us in a tight spot.

[chop2chip]

Lighten up Francis, I was simply asking thethe a question.
So you don't want them to hit McCutchen?

[USMA76]

So you don't want them to hit McCutchen?

If you followed the thread, I was asking teethe the intent of one of his previous statements.

[jsebe10]

Lighten up Francis, I was simply asking thethe a question.

Lol

[Braves1976]

Now he almost hits Jace in the knee.

[Julio3000]

That ejection was a wagonload of horse****.

[Braves1976]

That ejection was a wagonload of horse****.

Yep.

[chop2chip]

If you followed the thread, I was asking teethe the intent of one of his previous statements.
My apologies. I thought you implied that we should have hit McCutchen with a 96 MPH fastball based off your statement. I'm just against the unnecessary revenge game.

[Braves1976]

I didn't like how AJ set-up to the pitcher, I thought that might have led to the walk. He should have gave Wood a target down the middle instead. That cost Wood a strike too IMO.

[Heyward]

My apologies. I thought you implied that we should have hit McCutchen with a 96 MPH fastball based off your statement. I'm just against the unnecessary revenge game.

I think we should.

Just a simple pitch in the back or thigh/hip would be no harm.

I mean they hit two of our best players, should hit one of theirs.

[USMA76]

Down three with our bullpen in the sixth inning--this one's not looking good.

[Heyward]

Walking the pitcher isnt good.

Kinda figured that wouldnt end well.

[jpx7]

More like BBullpen. :Bowman:

[Heyward]

He's a good ball player but I'm beginning to see he's a cocky and flashy mfer this series. He's done a couple small things that are making me dislike him.

Like this?

https://twitter.com/TheRealEvanio/status/604876294959054848

[chop2chip]

I think we should.

Just a simple pitch in the back or thigh/hip would be no harm.

I mean they hit two of our best players, should hit one of theirs.Except when it does do harm. I don't believe the D Backs pitcher had the intention of breaking McCutchen's hand, but he wanted to send a message and it ended McCutchen's season. Totally unnecessary.

I still remember Carlos Zambrano hitting Chipper with a pitch in the last series of the season and it hurt Chipper and it was one of these silly revenge game ploys. Faux machoism.

[Braves1976]

Down three with our bullpen in the sixth inning--this one's not looking good.

Plus Wood looked good despite three runs that last inning. I still say AJ was at fault that last inning as much as anyone, how he set-up and caught that last pitch made it look like a ball. That was strike three if he sets up differently and catches it better.

[Julio3000]

Like this?

https://twitter.com/TheRealEvanio/status/604876294959054848

Yeah, what a jerk.

[chop2chip]

Plus Wood looked good despite three runs that last inning. I still say AJ was at fault that last inning as much as anyone, how he set-up and caught that last pitch made it look like a ball. That was strike three if he sets up differently and catches it better.
He could have framed it better, but Wood missed the target by the width of the plate and the ball was 3 inches off the plate. Blame falls on Wood (and one the evil, mean "message" pitch to start the at bat).

[weso1]

I love McCutcheon. Maybe my favorite non Brave

[jpx7]

Yeah, what a jerk.

Just showboating.

[weso1]

I don't enjoy spelling his name correctly though.

[Braves1976]

He could have framed it better, but Wood missed the target by the width of the plate and the ball was 3 inches off the plate. Blame falls on Wood (and one the evil, mean "message" pitch to start the at bat).

It was a stupid target, you set-up down the middle to a pitcher on a 3-2 pitch. And the way AJ caught it made it look worse.

[WaitingFor2017]

Joey T. should stay aggressive here even though Cole has had control problems.

[jpx7]

I don't enjoy spelling his name correctly though.

Spleling is laim.

[Julio3000]

Joe T just needs to plunk one in somewhere.

[Braves1976]

Joey T didn't look sharp in AA when I saw him so I didn't agree with adding him right now (and pinch hitting he's not been good at even when sharp). I'd gave him some time in AAA first.

[WaitingFor2017]

Joey has had 2 at-bats; both in huge situations and failed miserably in both. He's not ready.

[chop2chip]

It was a stupid target, you set-up down the middle to a pitcher on a 3-2 pitch. And the way AJ caught it made it look worse.

Dude, it was a ball. Nobody has gotten that call today. Not even Cole.

[AerchAngel]

Joey has had 2 at-bats; both in huge situations and failed miserably in both. He's not ready.

Fredi disagrees with you and calls you a moran on top of it. :FrediConfident:



.....please have your sarcasm meter on, I just realize you are new here.

[Heyward]

Dude, it was a ball. Nobody has gotten that call today. Not even Cole.

76 doesnt like AJ and doesnt wanna blame Wood, dont worry about it.

[Heyward]

This ones gonna sting, Cole was hittable today, didnt have his top stuff like he usually does.

[Garmel]

Holy cow! Two scoreless innings by the bullpen.

[jpx7]

Cunniff hoping to hold onto his roster-spot.

[Braves1976]

76 doesnt like AJ and doesnt wanna blame Wood, dont worry about it.

AJ has a terrible DRS the last two years for a reason and is known to be a bad pitch framer. And at last checked he was the second worst in DRS among catchers. Further, It's true I don't like him and that he's a bad catcher but I am hardly alone among fans or players in that regard so using that as argument is weak.

[chop2chip]

AJ has a terrible DRS the last two years for a reason and is known to be a bad pitch framer. And at last checked he was the second worst in DRS among catchers. Further, It's true I don't like him and that he's a bad catcher but I am hardly alone among fans or players in that regard so using that as argument is weak.
You know what is a weak argument? Blaming AJ for Wood walking the pitcher.

[Braves1976]

Maybin now hitting better than Markakis in average, .298 vs .297 and needless to say he has a better OPS too.

[Braves1976]

You know what is a weak argument? Blaming AJ for Wood walking the pitcher.

So you assert, but even the announcers who always defend AJ questioned him there. Not that they are by any means a good source.

[Enscheff]

Ok, now I have to admit the 3rd by Maybin off Cole was the most impressive AB I've watched this year. He turned on that inside heat with a very nice compact swing and hit an absolute missile.

[USMA76]

Markakis is snakebit in this series.

[jsebe10]

Steady driving in runs!!

[Heyward]

Ok, now I have to admit the 3rd by Maybin off Cole was the most impressive AB I've watched this year. He turned on that inside heat with a very nice compact swing and hit an absolute missile.

We should trade him though, right?

[WaitingFor2017]

Joe, Eveland and Aardsma are not 2003 Ugueth Urbina.

[Braves1976]

We should trade him though, right?

You'll never change will you?

[chop2chip]

So you assert, but even the announcers who always defend AJ questioned him there. Not that they are by any means a good source.
Yeah... I don't consider Chip and Joe to be expert witnesses by any means.

[Heyward]

You'll never change will you?

Nope, not when i think it makes no sense to trade Maybin given the other stuff that comes with it.

[Garmel]

Cuniff showed much better control in those two innings.

[WaitingFor2017]

I like Cunniff. When revamping the pen in a week or two, keep Johnson, Grilli, Avilan, and Martin. As of now, keep Cunniff but watch him closely the next two weeks. Dump Cahill and Masset.

[Braves1976]

Yeah... I don't consider Chip and Joe to be expert witnesses by any means.

Me either, but I agreed with them in this case. However, if Folty were pitching it seems you'd probably look at things differently. :)

That said, maybe the pitch was just outside (it was very close and hard to say 100% for sure just looking at replay given how AJ caught it). Regardless, I had more issue with how he set-up and his target. I also didn't like some pitch calls later in the inning. Plus if you had blamed both Wood and AJ I wouldn't even be taking issue here.

[Braves1976]

Nope, not when i think it makes no sense to trade Maybin given the other stuff that comes with it.

I was talking about your baiting posters, etc. I wasn't even focusing on the subject.

[sturg33]

Joe, Eveland and Aardsma are not 2003 Ugueth Urbina.

Also weren't Miguel Cabrera & Dontrelle Willis added mid-season?

[chop2chip]

Me either, but I agreed with them in this case. However, if Folty were pitching it seems you'd probably look at things differently. :)

That said, maybe the pitch was just outside (it was very close and hard to say 100% for sure just looking at replay given how AJ caught it). Regardless, I had more issue with how he set-up and his target. I also didn't like some pitch calls later in the inning. Plus if you had blamed both Wood and AJ I wouldn't even be taking issue here.

AJ is atrocious. He's consistently pretty poor at pitch framing and there were a few close pitches early on that I thought he could have stolen.

I think Wood is our best pitcher and I certainly like him more than Folty, but, personal biases aside, that doesn't matter. Wood walked the pitcher and ultimately that's on him.

[WaitingFor2017]

Go get 'em tomorrow when the Upton boys and Kimbrel are returning.

[Braves1976]

AJ is atrocious. He's consistently pretty poor at pitch framing and there were a few close pitches early on that I thought he could have stolen.

I think Wood is our best pitcher and I certainly like him more than Folty, but, personal biases aside, that doesn't matter. Wood walked the pitcher and ultimately that's on him.

I didn't get that idea from previous threads but maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else. However, I am sure it was you that said Wood was getting hit hard his previous game.

[chop2chip]

I didn't get that idea from previous threads but maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else. However, I am sure it was you that said Wood was getting hit hard his previous game.
I did think He was getting hit hard the previous game. Why would that mean I don't like him?

[atl717]

We should absolutely sell high on Maybin. Hes only been good for 20 percent of his career.

[Braves1976]

I did think He was getting hit hard the previous game. Why would that mean I don't like him?

I am not saying it meant that, it just seemed you were making too much of some hard hit balls late. I also thought you were one of those agreeing with trading Wood, etc. But again I might have just mixed you up with another poster. Regardless, I am not saying that means someone doesn't like Wood. Everyone has their own rankings and understandings of pitchers, etc.

[chop2chip]

I am not saying it meant that, it just seemed you were making too much of some hard hit balls late. I also thought you were one of those agreeing with trading Wood, etc. But again I might have just mixed you up with another poster. Regardless, I am not saying that means someone doesn't like Wood. Everyone has their own rankings and understandings of pitchers, etc.
I also referred to him as Chris Sales lite in that same game thread. Trust me, I like the guy.

I might have advocated trading him for Mookie Betts or something of that ilk, but I don't believe I have said something along the lines of "SELL HIGH!!!"

[Braves1976]

We should absolutely sell high on Maybin. Hes only been good for 20 percent of his career.

I would rather trade Markakis if possible and keep Maybin.

[Braves1976]

I also referred to him as Chris Sales lite in that same game thread. Trust me, I like the guy.

I might have advocated trading him for Mookie Betts or something of that ilk, but I don't believe I have said something along the lines of "SELL HIGH!!!"

I am not questioning that you like him, I was just surprised you said that you ranked him as our best pitcher since you seemed harder on him than some others.

[chop2chip]

I am not questioning that you like him, I was just surprised you said that you ranked him as our best pitcher since you seemed harder on him than some others.

A good teacher is harder on his best students I guess.

Also "harder than others" could mean me calling him Chris Sales lite instead of the others calling Chris Sale "Alex wood lite". We have some real lunies on this board.

[Braves1976]

A good teacher is harder on his best students I guess.

Yea, I was thinking about that after you told me where you ranked him.

[Braves1976]

Wood apparently just asked a few questions about location and that was enough to get him thrown out. Sounds like the ump had quick trigger. Wood didn't even know he was thrown out till he was in the clubhouse.

Wood also cited some strike calls Cole got his AB that he didn't get when pitching to Cole.

[jpx7]

Yeah... I don't consider Chip and Joe to be expert witnesses by any means.

Me either, but I agreed with them in this case. However, if Folty were pitching it seems you'd probably look at things differently. :)

That said, maybe the pitch was just outside (it was very close and hard to say 100% for sure just looking at replay given how AJ caught it). Regardless, I had more issue with how he set-up and his target. I also didn't like some pitch calls later in the inning. Plus if you had blamed both Wood and AJ I wouldn't even be taking issue here.

It was a poorly-located and poorly-framed pitch, to be honest. Ne Plus didn't do young Wood any favors, but ultimately the pitcher missed his spot.

[jpx7]

Also weren't Miguel Cabrera & Dontrelle Willis added mid-season?

Don't know about Willis, but I'm pretty sure Cabrera was.

[Heyward]

We should absolutely sell high on Maybin. Hes only been good for 20 percent of his career.

And we're replacing him with who?

We arent gettin Jason, Justin or Cespedes.

And dont know what outfielders are available via trade.

You dont trade him just to trade him, makes zero sense.

[gilesfan]

Maybin has been solid. I don't think we would get that great of a haul (ie top 50 prospect) because of 2 months of decent play. Lets not get carried away. He could potentially be a longer term option at a position of scarcity. .750 OPS with decent defense is fine for CF.

[Braves1976]

And we're replacing him with who?

We arent gettin Jason, Justin or Cespedes.

And dont know what outfielders are available via trade.

You dont trade him just to trade him, makes zero sense.

Since you posted basically the same thing in both threads, I'll post my take in response here too:

I don't see him traded just to trade him, that would be stupid. I expect they could trade him due to a number of factors. They may try to bundle him with CJ if someone has a need in CF and a lefty masher off the bench. How soon they bring up not just Smith, but even Peraza (unless he's traded) could also factor into play since Peraza may play a lot in CF. Plus they then could use that extra cash on a power hitter for outfield, 3B or catcher. If they bundle him with CJ too then maybe spread it around to fill multiple positions or get one big name player for at least one position. The point is there is a number of ways they could go here. Do I want them to trade him? No, I like his character and he's basically a local player being so close to home. He seems to work well with Seitzer so I have hopes he can stay successful this time around. However, he has to prove he can stay healthy too so that may be my one concern.

To sum it up, I'd do all in my power to trade Markakis before considering moving Maybin. But I do think one of them will have to go by 2017 if not earlier. And my best guess is that will be trading Maybin at some point.

PS: Obviously, my take is different than atl717 as I actually could see Maybin staying successful here if he sticks with his approach and continues to listen to Seitzer.

[WaitingFor2017]

Today's game reminded me of a 2014 game -- Lots of chances and bad strikeouts when only contact is needed.

[Heyward]

Since you posted basically the same thing in both threads, I'll post my take in response here too:

I don't see him traded just to trade him, that would be stupid. I expect they could trade him due to a number of factors. They may try to bundle him with CJ if someone has a need in CF and a lefty masher off the bench. How soon they bring up not just Smith, but even Peraza (unless he's traded) could also factor into play since Peraza may play a lot in CF. Plus they then could use that extra cash on a power hitter for outfield, 3B or catcher. If they bundle him with CJ too then maybe spread it around to fill multiple positions or get one big name player for at least one position. The point is there is a number of ways they could go here. Do I want them to trade him? No, I like his character and he's basically a local player being so close to home. He seems to work well with Seitzer so I have hopes he can stay successful this time around. However, he has to prove he can stay healthy too so that may be my one concern.

To sum it up, I'd do all in my power to trade Markakis before considering moving Maybin. But I do think one of them will have to go by 2017 if not earlier. And my best guess is that will be trading Maybin at some point.

PS: Obviously, my take is different than atl717 as I actually could see Maybin staying successful here if he sticks with his approach and continues to listen to Seitzer.

Eh, money isnt a huge issue.

I can get packaging him with CJ to get his deal off the books but given we're a mid-market team, i'd rather just keep him for another year.

If Maybin is legit, at his contract, thats quite valuable.

[sturg33]

Love that Fredi decided to throw Wood under the bus to the press rather than defend his guy... again

[Braves1976]

Eh, money isnt a huge issue.

I can get packaging him with CJ to get his deal off the books but given we're a mid-market team, i'd rather just keep him for another year.

If Maybin is legit, at his contract, thats quite valuable.

I didn't say money was a huge issue, I said it could be used for other needs (esp. if he was moved in a package trade with CJ dumping more salary). Plus I am not ruling out that he could be back to start next year. I really doubt he's with us come 2017 though.

[Heyward]

David O'Brien ‏@DOBrienAJC

#Braves Maybin on Cole: “He was throwing 98, 99. You never want to see your guys get plunked, especially 2 of your most important guys."

[Braves1976]

Love that Fredi decided to throw Wood under the bus to the press rather than defend his guy... again

Fredi also didn't even bother to ask him what he said or anything before doing so. Fredi said he had no idea what was said etc but still went on to throw Wood under the bus. That was bad.

[Heyward]

I didn't say money was a huge issue, I said it could be used for other needs (esp. if he was moved in a package trade with CJ dumping more salary). Plus I am not ruling out that he could be back to start next year. I really doubt he's with us come 2017 though.

What if they move Markakis to a 4th outfielder role in 2017.

Depending how some of the guys on the farm develop but alas, you're probably right.

[gilesfan]

Love that Fredi decided to throw Wood under the bus to the press rather than defend his guy... again

What did he say?

[Braves1976]

BTW, it seems the ump really overreacted throwing out Wood and I think it was because he couldn't hear what he said. He had to ask Wood twice and seemed he assumed Wood cussed at him when he didn't. But hey if you're Fredi don't bother finding that out, just blame your player and kiss the umps ass and throw your player under the bus.

[dak]

What did he say?

@KevinMcAlpin 57m57 minutes ago
Fredi: "Woody cant get thrown out of that game. He's got to keep his composure a little bit. He cant get thrown out of the game there"

[thethe]

I'm sick of Freddi talking about the players to the media. A good manager takes care of this crap behind closed doors.

[Braves1976]

@KevinMcAlpin 57m57 minutes ago
Fredi: "Woody cant get thrown out of that game. He's got to keep his composure a little bit. He cant get thrown out of the game there"

That was part of it, Fredi also admitted to not even knowing what was said while still blaming Wood totally.

[chop2chip]

I didn't agree with Sturg when he said Fredi threw Teheran under the bus, but I definitely agree with him here.

I wish Fredi would have been like Girardi today. CC got thrown out in a very similar fashion and Girardi stormed out of the dug out to defend CC (who was much worse than Wood).

The post game comments are unnecessary. Stand by your guy, Fredi.

[sturg33]

@KevinMcAlpin 57m57 minutes ago
Fredi: "Woody cant get thrown out of that game. He's got to keep his composure a little bit. He cant get thrown out of the game there"

That was after saying he had no idea what was said...

[Braves1976]

I'm sick of Freddi talking about the players to the media. A good manager takes care of this crap behind closed doors.

Yea, plus in this case it seems that he didn't say anything to get thrown out. That the ump just didn't hear him and assumed he got cussed at when that wasn't even so.

[KB21]

Love that Fredi decided to throw Wood under the bus to the press rather than defend his guy... again

With Bobby, Wood doesn't get thrown out there. Bobby does.

[Braves1976]

I didn't agree with Sturg when he said Fredi threw Teheran under the bus, but I definitely agree with him here.

I wish Fredi would have been like Girardi today. CC got thrown out in a very similar fashion and Girardi stormed out of the dug out to defend CC (who was much worse than Wood).

The post game comments are unnecessary. Stand by your guy, Fredi.

What did he say about Teheran? I must have missed that one.

[KB21]

I'm sick of Freddi talking about the players to the media. A good manager takes care of this crap behind closed doors.

Time to see what Terry can do with the team.

[thethe]

Yea, plus in this case it seems that he didn't say anything to get thrown out. That the ump just didn't hear him and assumed he got cussed at when that wasn't even so.

Also, if Fredi ever got off his ass and said something to an ump Wood wouldn't feel the need to have to take it in his own hands. What a joke.

[thethe]

What did he say about Teheran? I must have missed that one.

He didn't have the same confidence with Julio out there than he did last year. Said he is completely healthy.

[chop2chip]

What did he say about Teheran? I must have missed that one.That Teheran made him feel "uncomfortable" in the SF start.

[thethe]

Time to see what Terry can do with the team.

Time to see what anyone else can do other than Fredi. It would be one thing if he was a brilliant tactician but he is a dolt.

[Braves1976]

He didn't have the same confidence with Julio out there than he did last year. Said he is completely healthy.

Oh, now that you mention it I recall that. But that seemed to more a reaction by Fredi to the media asking him that same question about Teheran so much. Fredi seemed to decide to admit that because he was tired of answering that question over and over. Now I agree it's still not a wise move but still not the same as this IMO.

[Braves1976]

Time to see what anyone else can do other than Fredi. It would be one thing if he was a brilliant tactician but he is a dolt.

Yea, only a moron throws his player under the bus right after admitting he didn't even know what was said, etc. I mean that is like, umm I don't what happened or why but hey the ump cannot be in the wrong so lemme throw my player under the bus to let off some frustration.

[Braves1976]

David Aardsma struckout 2 his scoreless inning for Gwinnett today. We might want to add him to our pen tomorrow.

[Heyward]

David Aardsma struckout 2 his scoreless inning for Gwinnett today. We might want to add him to our pen tomorrow.

top 50 prospect?

[GovClintonTyree]

Love that Fredi decided to throw Wood under the bus to the press rather than defend his guy... again

90% of the Fredi criticism on here is the same crap every team's fans say about their manager, but I did not like this. Not at all. Wood got thrown out for jack****.

[Braves1976]

90% of the Fredi criticism on here is the same crap every team's fans say about their manager, but I did not like this. Not at all. Wood got thrown out for jack****.

If even Gov didn't like it Fredi must have did something wrong. I didn't know if I'd see the day he'd question Fredi (partly joking there btw). :)

[NinersSBChamps]

Braves will be 10 games under .500 and 15 back by the end of the month.

[Heyward]

Braves will be 10 games under .500 and 15 back by the end of the month.

If they are, i dont think anyone will be that mad, it's a throwaway year.

[Braves1976]

If they are, i dont think anyone will be that mad, it's a throwaway year.

It will be a shame though as this team is better than expected, and other teams in the division have struggled more than expected, making this year more ideal for making a run that probably next year. If we had a bullpen and manager good enough to put it all together. The latter two areas are where we are most lacking IMO.

That said, I have always said if no playoffs then I want the best draft pick position we can get.

[Heyward]

It will be a shame though as this team is better than expected, and other teams in the division have struggled more than expected, making this year more ideal for making a run that probably next year. If we had a bullpen and manager good enough to put it all together. The latter two areas are where we are most lacking IMO.

That said, I have always said if no playoffs then I want the best draft pick position we can get.

I agree actually but i think the lack of hitting talent will hurt us the rest of the way.

But yes, with a better pen and manager, we could probably contend for the division/WC spot as crazy as that seemed before the year.

[bravesnumberone]

Also, if Fredi ever got off his ass and said something to an ump Wood wouldn't feel the need to have to take it in his own hands. What a joke.

Yep, but the front office had a chance to take care of one of the biggest problems and failed to do so.

[bravesnumberone]

The whole post-game thing is for any of you who still think Fredi is so star-spangled awesome. The reasons he needs to be gone extend far beyond bringing the wrong reliever in or whatever.

[Braves1976]

The whole post-game thing is for any of you who still think Fredi is so star-spangled awesome. The reasons he needs to be gone extend far beyond bringing the wrong reliever in or whatever.

Agreed. Someone reminded me of this ejection by Wood from over a year ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y75YqNhT46Q&feature=youtu.be

If I am Wood, I'd be tempted to respond to Fredi the same way he did Bucknor in this video.

[GovClintonTyree]

If even Gov didn't like it Fredi must have did something wrong. I didn't know if I'd see the day he'd question Fredi (partly joking there btw). :)

LOL

I think the manager's impact is wildly overrated unless they're an epsilon semi-moron.

**** like that makes me wonder. Your player just got thrown out for nothing. Run your lard ass out there and protect him, if you get there too late you get thrown out too. then tell the press the ump overreacted to a few words.

Protect your players. That's important and he should know that.

Now, managing this bullpen is not on Fredi. Tony LaRussa, Joe Torre, or the ghost of Casey ****ing Stengel couldn't polish this turd.

[GovClintonTyree]

The whole post-game thing is for any of you who still think Fredi is so star-spangled awesome. The reasons he needs to be gone extend far beyond bringing the wrong reliever in or whatever.

Indefensible.

[bravesnumberone]

LOL

I think the manager's impact is wildly overrated unless they're an epsilon semi-moron.

**** like that makes me wonder. Your player just got thrown out for nothing. Run your lard ass out there and protect him, if you get there too late you get thrown out too. then tell the press the ump overreacted to a few words.

Protect your players. That's important and he should know that.

Now, managing this bullpen is not on Fredi. Tony LaRussa, Joe Torre, or the ghost of Casey ****ing Stengel couldn't polish this turd.

I'm ready to give fatty a pass on this one too. It's garbage that cannot be saved outside of overpaying for some, which I'm against.

[Braves1976]

It seems we might be getting calls on Jason Grilli:

"Jason Grilli, RHP, Braves — Several teams have Grilli as a target near the trade deadline. Teams such as the Red Sox and Yankees have always viewed Grilli as a perfect late-inning reliever who has been willing to take the ball in any role."

Source link: https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/06/06/baseball-executives-looking-for-some-real-characters/SLNi37gvg0TPGKbau9iQLP/story.html

[57Brave]

I think it is kinda obvious. Wood can't get thrown out of games.

[bravesnumberone]

It seems we might be getting calls on Jason Grilli:

"Jason Grilli, RHP, Braves — Several teams have Grilli as a target near the trade deadline. Teams such as the Red Sox and Yankees have always viewed Grilli as a perfect late-inning reliever who has been willing to take the ball in any role."

Source link: https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/06/06/baseball-executives-looking-for-some-real-characters/SLNi37gvg0TPGKbau9iQLP/story.html

Hopefully we can get some decent value for him. Need to be patient on it and hope the stink of the pen doesn't wear off on him.

[Braves1976]

I think it is kinda obvious. Wood can't get thrown out of games.

Thanks Fredi, it's good to know you still post here. :)

[gilesfan]

Someone ask Fredi if he would take wood or Hamels. Just to hear an answer

[Julio3000]

LOL

I think the manager's impact is wildly overrated unless they're an epsilon semi-moron.

**** like that makes me wonder. Your player just got thrown out for nothing. Run your lard ass out there and protect him, if you get there too late you get thrown out too. then tell the press the ump overreacted to a few words.

Protect your players. That's important and he should know that.

Now, managing this bullpen is not on Fredi. Tony LaRussa, Joe Torre, or the ghost of Casey ****ing Stengel couldn't polish this turd.

This is one of the things that has always bugged me about Fredi. Bobby may have looked ridiculous gimping out there to argue a lost cause, but it was one of the ways he bred loyalty and unity in the dugout. I can't believe that he didn't give the umpire hell for that.

[KB21]

I agree with Gov. Most of the in game decisions that Fredi gets criticized for are things you can criticize 90% of all managers for. Today though, to throw your player under the bus and not defend him....that's an area where a manager has more control of than any outcome on the field. It makes it very clear why this team wilts at the end of the season.

[Heyward]

It seems we might be getting calls on Jason Grilli:

"Jason Grilli, RHP, Braves — Several teams have Grilli as a target near the trade deadline. Teams such as the Red Sox and Yankees have always viewed Grilli as a perfect late-inning reliever who has been willing to take the ball in any role."

Source link: https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/06/06/baseball-executives-looking-for-some-real-characters/SLNi37gvg0TPGKbau9iQLP/story.html

Not much of a surprise, him and Jim are pretty decent bets to get dealt.

AJ too if they can get anything worth a **** for him.

[GovClintonTyree]

This is one of the things that has always bugged me about Fredi. Bobby may have looked ridiculous gimping out there to argue a lost cause, but it was one of the ways he bred loyalty and unity in the dugout. I can't believe that he didn't give the umpire hell for that.

And another thing. There's not a damn thing wrong with Alex Wood wanting to win. I'll take a whole rosterful. The guy wants the ball and he expects a consistently called game. Sometimes you don't get it and you have to deal, and he will. But you don't need to say that **** to David OBrien and Mark Bowman. You say it to Alex Wood tomorrow in your office in a calm voice with the door closed.

[GovClintonTyree]

I agree with Gov. Most of the in game decisions that Fredi gets criticized for are things you can criticize 90% of all managers for. Today though, to throw your player under the bus and not defend him....that's an area where a manager has more control of than any outcome on the field. It makes it very clear why this team wilts at the end of the season.


I agree. When you reach down in September, this is one of those things that can hurt or help.

[CyYoung31]

I don't see where Fredi said he didn't know what was said between the two, just that he didn't know it was a heated exchange until Wood got ejected. He even admitted that he would have gotten out there sooner if he did. Can anyone link me to where he said that?

[Braves1976]

I don't see where Fredi said he didn't know what was said between the two, just that he didn't know it was a heated exchange until Wood got ejected. He even admitted that he would have gotten out there sooner if he did. Can anyone link me to where he said that?

Try this one:

@DOBrienAJC 6h6 hours ago
VIDEO: #Braves Fredi G on loss and Wood's untimely ejection http://on-ajc.com/1RWlR5A

Quoting Fredi from that video: "He can't get thrown out of the game there. And I don't know what was said, obviously if I thought it was a heated conversation I would've gone out there a little bit sooner..."

[CyYoung31]

Try this one:

@DOBrienAJC 6h6 hours ago
VIDEO: #Braves Fredi G on loss and Wood's untimely ejection http://on-ajc.com/1RWlR5A

Quoting Fredi from that video: "He can't get thrown out of the game there. And I don't know what was said, obviously if I thought it was a heated conversation I would've gone out there a little bit sooner..."

Meh. I'd definitely like to see Fredi defend his players more in the ilk of Bobby, but I don't think that quote is that bad.

[Braves1976]

Meh. I'd definitely like to see Fredi defend his players more in the ilk of Bobby, but I don't think that quote is that bad.

I just focused on quoting the portion related to your "I don't see where Fredi said he didn't know what was said between the two" question. But maybe you're saying you don't think what Fredi said overall in that video was that bad? If so, I'll just have to disagree with you in this case.

[CyYoung31]

I just focused on quoting the portion related to your "I don't see where Fredi said he didn't know what was said between the two" question. But maybe you're saying you don't think what Fredi said overall in that video was that bad? If so, I'll just have to disagree with you in this case.

That's fine, but we really don't disagree on the point of Fredi defending his players. We just don't agree on the degree of the sin.

[Braves1976]

That's fine, but we really don't disagree on the point of Fredi defending his players. We just don't agree on the degree of the sin.

Yea, that's what I figured.

[57Brave]

Braves left-hander Alex Wood admitted he allowed his emotions to get the best of him before he was ejected during the decisive fifth inning of Sunday afternoon's 3-0 loss to the Pirates at Turner Field.
/////////////

I have to laugh because it seems people watching on TV and reading Twitter feeds are more upset by this than ---- Alex Wood.
Kid seems to get it.
Same thing happened last week with Tehran

Relax people

[gilesfan]

While there may be specific times where you go to the media to light a fire under a guy, I don't think it's particularly constructive to consistently talk badly of your players in the media. The one thing I loved about Bobby was you knew he had the players back; whether in arguments with umps or through the media. He would tell the media Prado was the next A-Rod.

[Chipper]

Wow, some of you guys are cherry picking and overblowing things in you hatred of Freddy. Thrown under the bus!!?? Really, I literally ROTFLMFAO You guys need to see your eye doc to get your hatred shaded lenses updated.

[Braves1976]

If we're overreacting so is every Braves forum I've read on this issue. Sounds more to me like some Fredi fans desperate to defend him no matter what he does.

[Garmel]

If we're overreacting so is every Braves forum I've read on this issue. Sounds more to me like some Fredi fans desperate to defend him no matter what he does.

Bingo!

[jpx7]

If we're overreacting so is every Braves forum I've read on this issue.

There are other Braves forums?

[Braves1976]

There are other Braves forums?

Haha, yes. But this one is by far the best one and the most active too.

[GovClintonTyree]

Wow, some of you guys are cherry picking and overblowing things in you hatred of Freddy. Thrown under the bus!!?? Really, I literally ROTFLMFAO You guys need to see your eye doc to get your hatred shaded lenses updated.

Not really. Braves1976 says I'm a registered Frediphile and I buried him on this issue.

Of course Wood should have calmed down. The issue is whether the Skipper needed to say anything to The Pissed-off Guy and The Sweaty Fat Guy.

Bobby never, ever did and I think that's one of the reasons guys liked playing for him.

[Chipper]

If we're overreacting so is every Braves forum I've read on this issue. Sounds more to me like some Fredi fans desperate to defend him no matter what he does.

I'm not a Fredi fan, or a hater. He's just an average to below average MLB manager. I won't be upset if he loses his job, but anyone else who replaces him isn't guaranteed to be a big improvement either.

I still don't see how he was throwing Wood under the bus. That's just silly. People are too sensitive these days. Maybe it's all of the extra estrogen from soy everyone's eating these days!

[sturg33]

Fredi still being our manager is just as baffling as Ruben Amaro Jr. being the Phillies GM... There's no logic or sense behind it.