6/12/15: GDT - Atlanta Braves @ NY Mets

[Garmel]

Braves
1. Jace Peterson (L) 2B
2. Cameron Maybin (R) CF
3. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
4. Nick Markakis (L) RF
5. Juan Uribe (R) 3B
6. A.J. Pierzynski (L) C
7. Jonny Gomes (R) LF
8. Andrelton Simmons (R) SS
9. Alex Wood (R) P

Mets
1. Curtis Granderson (L) RF
2. Juan Lagares (R) CF
3. Michael Cuddyer (R) 1B
4. Wilmer Flores (R) SS
5. John Mayberry Jr. (R) LF
6. Dilson Herrera (R) 2B
7. Eric Campbell (R) 3B
8. Anthony Recker (R) C
9. Bartolo Colon (R) P

[jsebe10]

I missed Thurs' sh*t show.

Did KJ get reinjured??

[Julio3000]

I missed Thurs' sh*t show.

Did KJ get reinjured??

Gotta keep Jonny Tats sharp.

[chop2chip]

Starting Gomes over Kelly is asinine with a RHP.

[Heyward]

Gomes vs a righty with KJ back makes no sense, even Todd.

[Julio3000]

Starting Gomes over Kelly is asinine with a RHP.

What, Jonny's .499 OPS vs. RHP this season doesn't do it for you? Kelly's at .831, fwiw.

[chop2chip]

That Mets starting lineup has to be the ugliest thing I have ever laid eyes upon.

[Julio3000]

We've got to beat this lineup + Bartolo the Hutt.

[Garmel]

Wood is going to have to go deep if we are to have any chance in this game.

[Garmel]

Gomes' OPS vs. RHP just went up.

[Braves1976]

Gomes' OPS vs. RHP just went up.

Colon is one of the few righties Gomes has historically hit very well.

[Garmel]

Colon is one of the few righties Gomes has historically hit very well.

I was making a joke. Gomes got on by getting hit by a pitch.:icon_biggrin:

[Braves1976]

I was making a joke. Gomes got on by getting hit by a pitch.:icon_biggrin:

Oh, I figured. I just thought I'd add that as I kinda wonder if Colon didn't hit him on purpose. Maybe he didn't but I wouldn't be surprised. Didn't Gomes homer off him not long ago?

[Braves1976]

Now that David Carpenter is with the Nats, maybe we'll get to see Uribe take him deep again in our favor for a change.

[Garmel]

Oh, I figured. I just thought I'd add that as I kinda wonder if Colon didn't hit him on purpose. Maybe he didn't but I wouldn't be surprised. Didn't Gomes homer off him not long ago?

Yeah, Gomes got him earlier this year.

[WaitingFor2017]

John Mayberry exists in the MLB to hurt Atlanta.

[Garmel]

Wood has given up 3 runs already to a AAAA lineup.

[NinersSBChamps]

Cool beans.

[CyYoung31]

What kind of name is Dilson?

[Braves1976]

Wood has given up 3 runs already to a AAAA lineup.

Mayberry hits lefties well though. That was a bad pitch call and location, that was a 90 mph 4-seam over the middle again (similar pitch Flores hit out).

[WaitingFor2017]

Bartolo Colon is the last former Expo in the major leagues.

I miss those guys. They were more likable than their current version.

[Braves1976]

Gomes seems to own Colon like he thinks he's a lefty. :)

[CyYoung31]

Love this all singles offense!

[WaitingFor2017]

Bases loaded and 0 out... but for Alex Wood. Gotta get at least 2 here in the inning.

[Julio3000]

Love this all singles offense!

Who needs anything else?! As long as we get the good bounces and defensive mistakes, we'll be an above average offensive club!

[Braves1976]

Way to go Peterson! He almost hit that out.

[Julio3000]

Way to go Peterson! He almost hit that out.

Raw power.

[Braves1976]

That hurts, not Maybin's best AB there.

[WaitingFor2017]

A rare bad at-bat from Maybin.

[jsebe10]

Pitching around Freddie to pitch to a leadoff hitter batting 4th

[Braves1976]

Damn, why did Markakis swing at that after he had him 2-0? That was stupid.

[jsebe10]

Boy he got ahold of that 1. That RBI total is piling up

[Julio3000]

Ugh. Poor AB by Maybin and...well, nobody's scared of Nearly Punchless Nick.

[Oklahomabrave]

I unreasonably like Jace Peterson.

[Braves1976]

Markakis had the count in his favor and shouldn't have swung at that, let Colon bust him inside making poor contact. He should've spit on it keeping in mind who's in trouble. Oh well.

[jsebe10]

Markakis had the count in his favor and shouldn't have swung at that, let Colon bust him inside making poor contact. He should've spit on it keeping in mind who's in trouble. Oh well.

Or he shouldn't be batting 4th....😜

[Braves1976]

What a cheap hit that was, good pitch by Wood and just had eyes up the middle.

[Braves1976]

Or he shouldn't be batting 4th....��

I wanted to try Uribe there, give us someone with some power in that spot.

[Julio3000]

Uribe transfers and throws approximately 1000000000000 times faster than CJ.

[57Brave]

I wanted to try Uribe there, give us someone with some power in that spot.

why

[Braves1976]

Wow, Gwinnett gave Wisler a 8-0 lead and he gives up 7 runs back before being pulled. That ain't pretty.

[Braves1976]

why

See Uribe's latest AB for "why" I want to try him there. :)

[jsebe10]

God I hate AJ

[Braves1976]

God I hate AJ

I don't like him either and I hate that he catches Wood so much too. I'll be happy when he's gone.

[Braves1976]

Great, looks like we'll waste Uribe's double. Fredi is pinch hitting for Wood now? LOL!

Oh no he's not, Chip fooled me saying Cunningham was pinch hitting.

[57Brave]

See Uribe's latest AB for "why" I want to try him there. :)

Markakus hits doubles too. Their slg% is all but identical.

[NinersSBChamps]

Fredi really leaving Wood in to bat here?

[Braves1976]

Damn, almost a great bunt hit by Wood. Nice try.

[jsebe10]

Markakus hits doubles too. Their slg% is all but identical.

Just stop.

[57Brave]

Just stop.

quit saying stuff that is wrong

[Braves1976]

quit saying stuff that is wrong

OK Fredi, we'll try harder next time. :)

[jsebe10]

Unbelievable walk! Wood deserves to give up a bases clearing double here.

[stpeteirish]

Unbelievable walk! Wood deserves to give up a bases clearing double here.

to the guy hitting .186

[jsebe10]

So fckn STUPID!!!!!!!!!!

[CrimsonCowboy]

It's time to abandon the pickoff at second play

[57Brave]

Tommy Lasorda used to call them errors of enhusiasm

[CrimsonCowboy]

Could have been a DP without the error

[jsebe10]

Also, Mayberry is slow as molasses. Why not look hime there

[NinersSBChamps]

Fredi is a smart person.

[Braves1976]

We should've had two errors that inning, those errors and the walk cost us. But I'd also played the infield in to cut that run off too but we didn't.

[WaitingFor2017]

Yeah, you can't be giving runs away in the bottom of the 6th when already losing. You know the offense is capable of getting the two runs back, but with the bullpen, you have to hold them to 3 runs.

[jsebe10]

Wont be getting too much off Tores here...dude owns us

[Braves1976]

Yeah, you can't be giving runs away in the bottom of the 6th when already losing. You know the offense is capable of getting the two runs back, but with the bullpen, you have to hold them to 3 runs.

I was surprised Simmons wasn't playing closer in on that grounder. If he had been he'd had a shot at cutting that run down at the plate.

[Braves1976]

We also had plenty of chances to score 5 or more off Colon earlier but blew it.

[Braves1976]

Peterson with another two hit game and another hit vs a lefty too.

[jsebe10]

Nice leadoff...stay out the middle here Maybin...Gap to gap

[WaitingFor2017]

I'm not much of an offensive expert, but Bartolo Colon looks very easy to hit. But since he's still in the majors at age 40, I can see why some struggle with him.

[Julio3000]

What a supremely frustrating game so far. I swear Bartolo is some curse visited upon us for the way we abused the Mets in years past.

[thethe]

How can you not love Jace Peterson? This kid is good.

[jsebe10]

I'm not much of an offensive expert, but Bartolo Colon looks very easy to hit. But since he's still in the majors at age 40, I can see why some struggle with him.

Movement man...He has outstanding movement with his pitches...his two seemer has gotten really good over his years of being fat

[Julio3000]

How can you not love Jace Peterson? This kid is good.

He is winning friends and influencing people.

[jsebe10]

Gap, Fred...Just a simple Gapper will do....Gap Gap Gap Gap Gap

[Braves1976]

That was a great AB by Maybin this time. Nice patient approach leading to a walk.

[jsebe10]

Alright...

Come on Nikkie....Come on buddy....

[Braves1976]

Very good AB by Freeman too. Time to make 'em pay Markakis!

[WaitingFor2017]

Don't be swinging at garbage, Mark

[thethe]

So I get that the Braves have to string together more hits to score runs but it does seem like they are playing with runners on base almost every inning.

[WaitingFor2017]

Wow, Markakis has been garbage tonight.

[thethe]

Awful game by Markakis today. Awful.

[Braves1976]

Terrible AB again, was that even a strike? Damn.

Markakis chased ball three for the DP.

[jsebe10]

And thats why that fckn clown should not be hitting 4th....That is why....Never ask why again because that is why!

[CrimsonCowboy]

Talk about good news, bad news

[Garmel]

Nick swung at a bad pitch.

[jsebe10]

0 for his last 4 in the past 3 games with bases loaded and not even hitting it out of the fckn infield...

[atl717]

One of the worst contracts in baseball. I hate that cheater. Used to hit 20 bombs regularly, now he cannot hit one. Dude sucks.

[WaitingFor2017]

Maybe Jace should hit 4th since his Slg% is about as high as Nick's.

[Braves1976]

One of the worst contracts in baseball. I hate that cheater. Used to hit 20 bombs regularly, now he cannot hit one. Dude sucks.

Cheater?

[Braves1976]

Maybe Jace should hit 4th since his Slg% is about as high as Nick's.

Haha, good one.

[jsebe10]

Cheater?

He means Brady Anderson

[Braves1976]

Torres always pitches us tough it seems.

[jsebe10]

Maybe Jace should hit 4th since his Slg% is about as high as Nick's.

NOOO...you don't have to have power and RBI prowess to bat 4th...***jacking off motion with hand***

Unreal

[WaitingFor2017]

Is that now 3 come-backers to the mound with 2 outs and a man on 3rd?

You're lucky to get one of those situational outs every couple of weeks.

[jsebe10]

Wood is sh*t canned...get him out of the game

[Braves1976]

Wood is sh*t canned...get him out of the game

He was over 100 pitches already, so I didn't expect him back out.

Looks like just to face the two lefties.

[jsebe10]

Is that now 3 come-backers to the mound with 2 outs and a man on 3rd?

You're lucky to get one of those situational outs every couple of weeks.

Don't fret bro....We've got AJ and Gomes coming right on up for ya!!

[jsebe10]

He was over 100 pitches already, so I didn't expect him back out.


Unfortunately it was cute to use 5 pitchers in the 8th inning yesterday...

[Julio3000]

Wood is sh*t canned...get him out of the game

Just bring in one of our stellar bullpen arms, I guess.

[WaitingFor2017]

Come on Fredi. If you start Wood in the inning, let him try to finish it unless he implodes. I hate it when our bullpen comes into the game with runners on. Let them come in fresh if they come in.

[Braves1976]

Unfortunately it was cute to use 5 pitchers in the 8th inning yesterday...

You gotta love getting one out with four pitchers, no? :)

How about bringing in our newest lefty to face a righty first with the bases loaded? :)

[Braves1976]

Markakis makes me nervous, but hey he got there at least. :)

[jsebe10]

Just bring in one of our stellar bullpen arms, I guess.

lol touche

[Braves1976]

Now Wood is charged with another run, thanks Fredi but hey you do it Teheran every time out lately so might as well do it to Wood too.

[jsebe10]

I can't believe this garbage ass Mets team is in 1st place..I honestly can't believe it

[thethe]

You gotta love getting one out with four pitchers, no? :)

How about bringing in our newest lefty to face a righty first with the bases loaded? :)

That move was so obvious I can't believe Freddi made it. Literally tried to serve that game up to the Pads.

[Braves1976]

That move was so obvious I can't believe Freddi made it. Literally tried to serve that game up to the Pads.

Fredi has no confidence in Teheran so Teheran had to be punished, that was the best way to do it. :)

[jsebe10]

Fredi has no confidence in Teheran so Teheran had to be punished, that was the best way to do it. :)

lol...

Do you have confidence in Teheran?>

[WaitingFor2017]

Looking like 5 straight losses to the Mets; 5 in a row to the Nationals as well.

[Julio3000]

Rough one tonight. The RISP Fairy seems to have abandoned us.

[Braves1976]

lol...

Do you have confidence in Teheran?>

It was a joke based on Fredi's press conference a while back regarding Teheran. But to answer your question, yes I have confidence in Teheran because his last three games he's been good despite his line not telling the whole story.

[jsebe10]

Todd is awful off the bench, unfortunately

[NinersSBChamps]

deGrom is gonna pitch a no hitter tomorrow.

[jsebe10]

deGrom is gonna pitch a no hitter tomorrow.

LOL...you know he is pacing back and forth in the duggout and probably wont sleep a wink tonight because he can't wait to mow us down

[jsebe10]

Good AB Jace...

Maybin.... STAY OUT OF THE MIDDLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Braves1976]

Peterson one bases three times again, another two hit one walk game.

[NinersSBChamps]

Maybin game ending double play coming up.

[jsebe10]

Christ...Maybin is going to roll one over here for a twin killing

[Julio3000]

Clutch AB. Gonna have a shot to tie if Maybin can come through

[jsebe10]

That a boy Mayback!!!!

Keep it rolling Freddie!!!

[Braves1976]

Good AB Maybin, though he did hang that last pitch thankfully. Come on Freeman!

[WaitingFor2017]

Freddie needs to try to hit a home run here.

[NinersSBChamps]

This type of language is not acceptable.

-thethe

[Julio3000]

Keep. The. Line. Moving.

:FrediConfident:

[WaitingFor2017]

Too bad Todd's ball didn't drop. It was hit well.

[WaitingFor2017]

If Freddie walks, the Mets have us right where they want us. Nick with them loaded.

[jsebe10]

If Freddie walks, the Mets have us right where they want us. Nick with them loaded.

haha

[Braves1976]

Great AB Freeman, but now up to Markakis again.

[thethe]

All will be forgotten Nick if you come through right now.

[jsebe10]

Sh*t...

Two pass balls please!

Fck....Come on Nikkie!!! Lets go buddy!

[Julio3000]

Wow.

[Garmel]

Nick owes us big time.

[NinersSBChamps]

http://sportscrack.com/images/nickthestick_large.jpg

[Julio3000]

Take a strike, Nick. In fact, take 2.

[jsebe10]

Unbelieveable...

[thethe]

On my **** list tonight Markakis.

[The Chosen One]

Lol Markakis. Sorry ass

[WaitingFor2017]

Can we just call the year 2015 "The Year of the Tease"?

[Braves1976]

Markakis lost this game, he left an army on base--9 total I think. Just bad AB after bad AB all night.

[NinersSBChamps]

This type of language is not acceptable.

-thethe


Umm what?

[jsebe10]

If that fck hole is in the 4th spot tomorrow....I am going to be really angry

[TDlxANDER]

Markakis going all Heyward tonight with the ground balls to 2b.

[Prikichi]

**** off Markakis.

[WaitingFor2017]

Markakis going all Heyward tonight with the ground balls to 2b.

At least the J-Hey Kid would slow roll them to 2nd and avoid DP's!

[thewupk]

I thought we were supposed to be good with RISP?

[jsebe10]

0 for 5 in the last 3 games with bases loaded and not hitting the ball out of the infield...Markakis alone

[Krovahn]

Markakis loses the game and screws up my Ynot. wtf. How do you swing at that when Familia has been struggling, especially in that situation. He should realize that he is in the cleanup spot because the Braves have no one else... not because he is a true cleanup hitter. 9 LOB is inexcusable.

[thewupk]

Markakis lost this game, he left an army on base--9 total I think. Just bad AB after bad AB all night.

But we avoided strikeouts

[The Chosen One]

At least the J-Hey Kid would slow roll them to 2nd and avoid DP's!

And run out the ball to try and only make it a fc.

[Julio3000]

Seriously. Take a ****ing strike. For a guy whose long suit is weak contact, that should be automatic.

[WaitingFor2017]

A 29-32 team that feels like it's a 36-25 team even though the run differential is negative. What an odd year.

[jsebe10]

Markakis sucks

[jsebe10]

Joe suggesting that Nick get a day off tomorrow...Hes fine...Just get him out of the fckn 4 hole

[NinersSBChamps]

Can anyone explain to me why my post was edited? I typed "Freddie can hit this goon."

[jsebe10]

Can anyone explain to me why my post was edited? I typed "Freddie can hit this goon."

because the "GOON" actually had a C in it at first??? lol

[Braves1976]

Can anyone explain to me why my post was edited? I typed "Freddie can hit this goon."

Goon is only allowed in hockey. :)

[NinersSBChamps]

because the "GOON" actually had a C in it at first??? lol

If that was the case, it was a typo. I do make mistakes on my phone and the "G" and "C" are right by one another.

[jsebe10]

If that was the case, it was a typo. I do make mistakes on my phone and the "G" and "C" are right by one another.

I was kidding

[NinersSBChamps]

I was kidding

Well now you got me wondering. Haha.

[jsebe10]

Well now you got me wondering. Haha.

haha

[Russ2dollas]

only good thing is it keeps looking like I may be wrong about Jace....maybe he his going to be a long term solution at 2B.

[Julio3000]

Jace and Maybin are killing at 1-2.

[Braves1976]

Jace and Maybin are killing at 1-2.

Yea, it seems often those two start our rallies and big innings too. Plus both have been great with runners in scoring position.

[sturg33]

Like I said... no power equals the need for many hits in a row.

[skillet]

We are on track to go 77-85. Pretty close to what many thought prior to the season starting. We aren't awful, but not very good either.

[Braves1976]

@DOBrienAJC 59s59 seconds ago
#Braves Markakis is 0-for-7 w/ no RBIs when batting with bases loaded this season.

[Russ2dollas]

what would jace have to end the year with for folks to say he's our long term 2B?

I think the d is going to be there. I'm thinking I'd need to see him get over 1 offensive war. If he does that he'll probably be pushing 2.5 WAR.

[jpx7]

@DOBrienAJC 59s59 seconds ago
#Braves Markakis is 0-for-7 w/ no RBIs when batting with bases loaded this season.

Cleaning up.

[chop2chip]

what would jace have to end the year with for folks to say he's our long term 2B?

I think the d is going to be there. I'm thinking I'd need to see him get over 1 offensive war. If he does that he'll probably be pushing 2.5 WAR.
I am Team Peraza, but Jace is making me change my mind a bit. He looks at least average offensively for a 2B and the defense is obviously superb.

[chop2chip]

Freddie is quietly having an amazing season. He might be the most under appreciated super star the Braves have ever had since I've followed the team.

[thethe]

Jace is legit.

[cajunrevenge]

We are on track to go 77-85. Pretty close to what many thought prior to the season starting. We aren't awful, but not very good either.

We are going through a rough patch because of the pen. I think the pen will turn it around at some point and we will go on a roll. Aardsma looks like a quality addition. Vizcaino will be back around the All Star break. Banuelos could get a shot in the pen. Maybe we make a small trade for a halfway decent reliever before the trade deadline.

[CrimsonCowboy]

So lets see for a moment: Mallex Smith continues his good work in the minors. Peraza will be up with the big club, I believe, at some point this season. Either Peraza or Peterson moves to third with the other at second. How about a combination of Peraza/Smith/Peterson at the top of the lineup in 2016? I could go for that.

[Russ2dollas]

So lets see for a moment: Mallex Smith continues his good work in the minors. Peraza will be up with the big club, I believe, at some point this season. Either Peraza or Peterson moves to third with the other at second. How about a combination of Peraza/Smith/Peterson at the top of the lineup in 2016? I could go for that.

Dob keeps saying they won't put one at 3rd bc they don't have enough power and arm strength issues. This is from a team who extended Chris Johnson....looking at u JS.

Peraza smith peraza leads to a lot of games like last night where we can load bases and not get any runs.

Some scouts think peraza could get prado like power. Might need 2 yrs to grow into his body. Peraza is 6 foot and thin while mallex and albies are just tiny

[thethe]

I really do think that as Jace gets his feet underneath him he is going to show more power. This kid is going to be a good one. 1.3 WAR and counting....

[Russ2dollas]

I really do think that as Jace gets his feet underneath him he is going to show more power. This kid is going to be a good one. 1.3 WAR and counting....

for me it can't be all defensive driven at 2B. I think he's needs to get 1 offensive war. He's on pace for that. if he could get to 3 WAR that would be something.

He has the size that you think he could be a double digit HR guy. The swing just seems to not get a lot of loft. But if the doubles come a little more frequently and the base running improves....

[thewupk]

We are on track to go 77-85. Pretty close to what many thought prior to the season starting. We aren't awful, but not very good either.

Assuming we keep hitting well (lucky) with RISP. We are on the very high end in that area right now. If that stops then it's going to get worse. Of course you would assume we get better relievers at some point to possibly counteract that.

[Heyward]

Like I said... no power equals the need for many hits in a row.

Captain obvious.

[Heyward]

Dob keeps saying they won't put one at 3rd bc they don't have enough power and arm strength issues. This is from a team who extended Chris Johnson....looking at u JS.

Peraza smith peraza leads to a lot of games like last night where we can load bases and not get any runs.

Some scouts think peraza could get prado like power. Might need 2 yrs to grow into his body. Peraza is 6 foot and thin while mallex and albies are just tiny

Wren extended CJ, different regime.

And i agree, we need some power at C, 3B, and LF.

[thethe]

Assuming we keep hitting well (lucky) with RISP. We are on the very high end in that area right now. If that stops then it's going to get worse. Of course you would assume we get better relievers at some point to possibly counteract that.

Or if Teheran and hte back end of the rotation continues to pitch well. I think there is plenty of reason to believe the Braves will improve in some areas while regressing in others.

[thewupk]

Or if Teheran and hte back end of the rotation continues to pitch well. I think there is plenty of reason to believe the Braves will improve in some areas while regressing in others.

Probably right. These things generally even themselves out over the course of the season. I still think we lose close to 90 games.

[thethe]

Probably right. These things generally even themselves out over the course of the season. I still think we lose close to 90 games.

Well if this bullpen doesn't improve we are going to definnitely lose 90 games. The aggregate effect of a bad bullpen over the course of 162 is tremendous. I was hopeful for a little bit and still will hold out hope until we see how Aardsma/Eveland/Viz/Mckirkan integrate come mid July. The team is surprisingly not far away from being a playoff team. Problem is the thing they are lacking (power) is the hardest thing to come by so they have to be more creative to be a productive offense.

I'm very encouraged and surprised just how competitive we have been. There is a lot of help on the way.

[keithlaw]

Jace and Maybin are killing at 1-2.

Its really hard to believe how well those 2 deals worked out for us. Jace and Maybin have outperformed Justin and Kimbrel so far and all the prospects (except for Fried) are doing well. Plus we cleared up $55 million over the next 3 years. As bad as the Tex trade was, these are looking 10x better.

[thethe]

Its really hard to believe how well those 2 deals worked out for us. Jace and Maybin have outperformed Justin and Kimbrel so far and all the prospects (except for Fried) are doing well. Plus we cleared up $55 million over the next 3 years. As bad as the Tex trade was, these are looking 10x better.

Even in my ultimate homeristic view I could not have dreamed these trades would have worked out this well. Push forward the rebuild by 2+ years.

[jsebe10]

I really do think that as Jace gets his feet underneath him he is going to show more power. This kid is going to be a good one. 1.3 WAR and counting....

Agreed.

Regardless though, I think we lose Jace or PERAZA via trade...The Braves have to address the lack of power issue either through trade or free agency since they failed to address it via the draft...

[jsebe10]

Its really hard to believe how well those 2 deals worked out for us. Jace and Maybin have outperformed Justin and Kimbrel so far and all the prospects (except for Fried) are doing well. Plus we cleared up $55 million over the next 3 years. As bad as the Tex trade was, these are looking 10x better.

Not so sure I can agree with the outperformance of Justin. Justin is currently on mark for a career season...he's a stud and I want him back. He's killing the ball this year.

[Dalyn]

Upton is on pace for a 30/30 season with a chance of adding 100/100.

[Heyward]

Yeah JUp has been a monster this year.

I'd love to have him back but i think that ship has sailed.

[WaitingFor2017]

Upton (and a decent bullpen) is what this team is missing to be contenders.

[The Chosen One]

Upton is on pace for a 30/30 season with a chance of adding 100/100.

But he's too inconsistent and strikes out too much.

[keithlaw]

Upton is the best player of the 4, but we're a better team with Maybin and Jace than with Justin and Kimbrel. And while Justin has oodles of offensive value, his defense sucks even for a left fielder. The gap between him, Maybin, and Jace isn't as big as you'd expect looking at his offensive stats.

fWar for the 4 of them:

Justin: 1.6
Jace: 1.3
Maybin: 1.3
Kimbrel: .4

Also keep in mind that fWAR evaluates pitchers based on peripherals rather than ERA, which will overvalue Kimbrel's contribution thus far. If you go by bWAR instead Jace and Maybin are the same while Justin is at 2.1 and Kimbrel is at 0.

[Heyward]

But he's too inconsistent and strikes out too much.

JUp wasnt a problem, you live with his K's.

Uggla, CJ, BJ, and to a lesser extent even Gattis were the problems.

[jsebe10]

JUp wasnt a problem, you live with his K's.

Uggla, CJ, BJ, and to a lesser extent even Gattis were the problems.

The whole tenure with Gattis as a whole was just weird. Who misses a month with Mono and then his first year missed like a month with a stomach bug.

[Russ2dollas]

Wren extended CJ, different regime.

And i agree, we need some power at C, 3B, and LF.

No JS doesn't get off that easy. He was Wrenn's boss.

[cajunrevenge]

What would you say to offering Justin 5 years 150 million. The part I fear most about a Justin Upton contract is the amount of years. I don't want a 10 year 250 million type deal. 5 years gets his age 28 thru 32 seasons. That's statistically likely to be his peak years. I think Justin might consider the shorter deal that pays more per year because it would set him up for free agency again at age 33 where he could probably get another long term contract. For the Braves payroll is supposed to go way up with the opening of the new park so I don't see why we couldn't afford to do it.