6/19/15: GDT - NY Mets @ Atlanta Braves

[Garmel]

Mets
1. Curtis Granderson (L) RF
2. Ruben Tejada (R) 3B
3. Lucas Duda (L) 1B
4. Michael Cuddyer (R) LF
5. Wilmer Flores (R) SS
6. Juan Lagares (R) CF
7. Dilson Herrera (R) 2B
8. Kevin Plawecki (R) C
9. Jacob deGrom (L) P

Braves
1. Jace Peterson (L) 2B
2. Cameron Maybin (R) CF
3. Kelly Johnson (L) 1B
4. Nick Markakis (L) RF
5. Chris Johnson (R) 3B
6. A.J. Pierzynski (L) C
7. Andrelton Simmons (R) SS
8. Eury Perez (R) LF
9. Matt Wisler (R) P

[nsacpi]

Expecting a huge game from Anthony John.

[cajunrevenge]

Wisler has reverse splits so only 2 lefties could work to n his advantage.

[NinersSBChamps]

Fully expect the Mets catcher whom I have never heard of to have a great game.

[smootness]

Wisler has reverse splits so only 2 lefties could work to n his advantage.

?

[cajunrevenge]

?

Left handed pitchers typically do better against lefty hitters. Wisler was mashed by lefties and was good vs righties. That's a reverse platoon split.

[chop2chip]

Left handed pitchers typically do better against lefty hitters. Wisler was mashed by lefties and was good vs righties. That's a reverse platoon split.

Except Wisler is RH...

[jimsnores]

Left handed pitchers typically do better against lefty hitters. Wisler was mashed by lefties and was good vs righties. That's a reverse platoon split.

Wisler is a righty. His splits are normal ones but the premise that fewer lefties is potentially good is a correct one, since they are normal splits.

[cajunrevenge]

Drugs are bad.

[cajunrevenge]

Jace sets the pace.

[Braves1976]

What is interesting about Wisler getting the call is that Marty Reed recently said in an interview that he didn't think he was ready yet. He said in his view he needs to spend the rest of this year in AAA. But he did add that he could see him going up earlier if there is a need or someone goes down to injury.

[jpx7]

Expecting a huge game from Anthony John.

http://www.michelobultra.com/content/michelobultra/en/our-beers/ultra-light-beer/jcr:content/contentPar/section/full-section-content/image.img.png/michelob-ultra-light-beer-bottles.png

[Hawk]

'Superior Light Beer' is the quintessential oxymoron, IMO.

[Julio3000]

'Superior Light Beer' is the quintessential oxymoron, IMO.

No doubt.

[Braves1976]

Fredi isn't doing the front office any favors starting CJ vs tough righties or righties in general as much as he does. CJ needs to start vs almost only lefties to put up good numbers. And without that trading him will be even harder IMO.

CJ also came back from his rehab way too fast IMO.

[Julio3000]

'Superior Light Beer' is the quintessential oxymoron, IMO.

What kills me about Mich Ultra is that there is no shortage of light beers—****ty, yes, I grant that—that are at least drinkable in desperation and feature maybe 4-5 more calories per pop than Mich Ultra, consuming which is like drinking municipal water filtered through a sheet of corn-infused cardboard. Somehow, though, the idea that it's "ultra light" has conned some poor souls into buying it.

[Runnin]

What kills me about Mich Ultra is that there is no shortage of light beers—****ty, yes, I grant that—that are at least drinkable in desperation and feature maybe 4-5 more calories per pop than Mich Ultra, consuming which is like drinking municipal water filtered through a sheet of corn-infused cardboard. Somehow, though, the idea that it's "ultra light" has conned some poor souls into buying it.
My wife buys the cheap, light beer. I can drink it with frosted mug but I have to drink it fast.

[Hawk]

My wife buys the cheap, light beer. I can drink it with frosted mug but I have to drink it fast.

I think I could intake Japanese light beers intravenously, though.

[Braves1976]

Jace sure ends up in a lot of full counts, I love the way he battles and works pitchers.

[Braves1976]

Jace was safe! Why wasn't that reviewed? If that was reviewed that was fast and he looked safe to me.

[Garmel]

WTF? They are not looking at that?

[cajunrevenge]

Jace needs to stop trying to steal.

[stpeteirish]

I think I could intake Japanese light beers intravenously, though.

taking a short break from the Beer, how's Wisler looking?

[Garmel]

Jace was safe! Why wasn't that reviewed? If that was reviewed that was fast and he looked safe to me.

He was safe by a mile.

[Garmel]

taking a short break from the Beer, how's Wisler looking?

Sharp

[Braves1976]

He was safe by a mile.

I don't think that was challenged, if so I have never seen a review done so fast.

[mfree80]

It wasn't challenged because the 2nd replay angle showed he was out. Looked safe without replay, but replay was definitely not conclusive, in fact it looked like a good call.

[jpx7]

Jace was safe! Why wasn't that reviewed? If that was reviewed that was fast and he looked safe to me.

:FrediWut:

[Braves1976]

Jace needs to stop trying to steal.

Three of his caught stealing coming in were more pickoffs at first where he misread the pitcher. That wasn't the case here, he looked safe to me and there were two other bang bang that Fredi didn't challenge on him I thought could go either way too. To sum it up, I think he has had some terrible luck that way so far. He is better than this at stealing bases. However, he does need to learn the Major league pitchers better as he has misread too many getting basically picked off and then thrown out by the first baseman at second.

[Braves1976]

It wasn't challenged because the 2nd replay angle showed he was out. Looked safe without replay, but replay was definitely not conclusive, in fact it looked like a good call.

I disagree, he looked safe on both. But I can see arguing that it was too close to overturn given the call on the field but still looked safe moreso with that argument.

[nsacpi]

Anthony John doing a nice job guiding the rookie thru his first game

[jpx7]

Somehow, though, the idea that it's "ultra light" has conned some poor souls into buying it.

Not to mention, great alphabetalogy:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7cgeafhnnjk/VMrrZZgj1tI/AAAAAAAAtf8/tBgcfeMn4Tc/s1600/Michelob-Ultra-Girls-TA.jpg

[stpeteirish]

we need to run on this guy, ain't getting a lot of hits, and XBH's are a pipe dream with this team and no FF.

[Braves1976]

Can we call that a double please for CJ? Let's skew those stats!

[nsacpi]

Inexcusable loafing by Johnson. Almost wish he was thrown out

[Garmel]

AJ swinging at **** head high.

[Hawk]

Inexcusable loafing by Johnson. Almost wish he was thrown out

He looked out.

[buck75]

CJ was a little slow hitting second gear

[jpx7]

Inexcusable loafing by Johnson. Almost wish he was thrown out

Lord BABip expects to be carried to the extra base via palanquin.

[Julio3000]

My wife buys the cheap, light beer. I can drink it with frosted mug but I have to drink it fast.

That's the key. Cold and fast.

[Runnin]

I think I could intake Japanese light beers intravenously, though.
They don't say "Light" or "Lite", which helps.

Non-alcoholic beer is popular in Japan, which I really don't understand.

[NinersSBChamps]

Ball. Game.

[Braves1976]

Nice turn for that DP by Peterson.

[weso1]

Wow. That was a great turn by Peterson there on that DP. Made it look easy.

[Garmel]

Lucky ass Mets.

[Runnin]

Wow. That was a great turn by Peterson there on that DP. Made it look easy.
Good stop by CJ or that's a double.

[weso1]

Good stop by CJ or that's a double.

It was a good play, but his reactions are so slow. I'm just not a big CJ fan so maybe I'm biased.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Can't complain about Wisler tonight.

[Braves1976]

It was a good play, but his reactions are so slow. I'm just not a big CJ fan so maybe I'm biased.

He should've stopped that, Uribe usually makes that play no problem without being so slow to get off a throw. CJ reaction time is part of why his range at third is so lacking.

[thethe]

Can't complain about Wisler tonight.

Very impressive debut. I'm encouraged about his future.

[Braves1976]

Can't complain about Wisler tonight.

Yea ready or not, he's did a good job so far.

[Braves1976]

If we keep playing CJ vs righties he'll be hitting under .200 soon.

[UNCBlue012]

Wisler is a baller.

[weso1]

2 hard hit outs for the Braves. Met's score on a worm burner. That's baseball.

[weso1]

Wisler has good movement on his pitches and seems competitive. I think he'll be a solid middle of the rotation guy in MLB. Although he's one of the rare exceptions in regards to my baseball names philosophy.

[cajunrevenge]

Wisler has good movement on his pitches and seems competitive. I think he'll be a solid middle of the rotation guy in MLB. Although he's one of the rare exceptions in regards to my baseball names philosophy.

I have a similar name theory but what's wrong with the name Wisler ?

[weso1]

I have a similar name theory but what's wrong with the name Wisler ?

You know it's not just the last name, which obviously has issues, but it's the first name/last name combo that doesn't add up. Maybe something like Butch Wisler or Rollie Wisler and I'd be there, but I'm just personally not feeling it.

[Julio3000]

Get some. Matt Wisler.

[CrimsonCowboy]

For Matt Wisler:
http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/022011/chuck-norris-approves.gif

[Braves1976]

I know Wisler is due up third, but if anyone reaches before him I'd let him bunt and stay in. And give him a shot at a CG in his first career MLB start.

[NinersSBChamps]

I know Wisler is due up third, but if anyone reaches before him I'd let him bunt and stay in. And give him a shot at a CG in his first career MLB start.

He better get used to not winning.

[Orphan Black]

Kimbrel trade looks like a serious win for the Braves...Wisler is definitely more polished than Fonte. He looks like he has 4 nice pitches.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin 23s23 seconds ago
Matt Wisler is the first #Braves starter to go 8 innings in his MLB debut since John Smoltz on July 23, 1988 against the Mets.

[Orphan Black]

Marco Estrada has a no hitter through 7 against the O's.

[Garmel]

I wish that was a homer.

[Julio3000]

I seriously don't give a **** if we lose, but I sure hope we get Wisler off the hook.

[Braves1976]

I didn't like the bunt call with the speedy Perez but hope it works.

[nsacpi]

Would be nice to have a lefty or switch hitter here

[WaitingFor2017]

Ciriaco swings at everything. Not sure I'd send him up there in this situation.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Great hustle by Pedro and great fake by Andrelton

[weso1]

great hustle by Ciriaco. A solid backup SS.

[Braves1976]

Nice hustle by Ciriaco and great job Simmons to deke the third baseman making that a tougher play.

[Julio3000]

Tron is a ninja.

[weso1]

Thank you Mets for getting deGrom out of there.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman 1m1 minute ago
Ciriaco ran to first base at "I want to stay at the Major League level" speed

[Garmel]

Thank you Mets for getting deGrom out of there.

Exactly. I don't think this is a good move on their part.

[nsacpi]

Yeah. I like starters with a deep repetoire. Gives them flexibility from start to start depending upon which pitch they have a good feel for.
Kimbrel trade looks like a serious win for the Braves...Wisler is definitely more polished than Fonte. He looks like he has 4 nice pitches.

[Braves1976]

Thank you Mets for getting deGrom out of there.

Jace has battled deGrom well tonight and he looked to be tiring. I think Gilmartin being a lefty might be a tougher matchup for Jace. Hopefully he comes through regardless.

[CrimsonCowboy]

JACE DAD GUM PETERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Braves1976]

Wow, what an AB by Peterson again! Clutch!

[nsacpi]

Jace!

[weso1]

Great f'ng AB by Peterson.

[smootness]

Jaaaaaaaaace!!!!

[Julio3000]

Oh hell yeah!

[Runnin]

Who is this Jace guy? He's pretty good.

[thethe]

I want a team of all Jace Petersons.

[bravesnumberone]

BOOOM

[NinersSBChamps]

Thanks, Collins. No reason to take out deGrom.

[Braves1976]

Gilmartin is tough on lefties folks, that was just a great great AB. Great patience not chasing anything, then boom nailed his pitch.

[thethe]

Thanks, Collins. No reason to take out deGrom.

No, there realy wasn't.

[Garmel]

Jace = Money

[CrimsonCowboy]

Somewhere in San Diego, the Padres GM is shouting and cursing right now.

[weso1]

Jace has battled deGrom well tonight and he looked to be tiring. I think Gilmartin being a lefty might be a tougher matchup for Jace. Hopefully he comes through regardless.

I hear your thinking but Jace has had really good AB's vs a lot of guys. deGrom is a dynamic pitcher and I was glad to see him go.

[Dalyn]

:tchop:

[nsacpi]

Thanks, Collins. No reason to take out deGrom.
I would also like to thank the mets infield for some atrocious defense this inning

[thethe]

With AB's and swings like that...you can easily get real excited about Petersons future.

[Braves1976]

No, there realy wasn't.

Maybe not but I think Peterson would've hit him again too. Peterson has been really clutch in these situations and he had already battled deGrom tough tonight.

[thewupk]

Jace to the face

[weso1]

I want a team of all Jace Petersons.

Our pitching would suck.

[thethe]

Maybe not but I think Peterson would've hit him again too. Peterson has been really clutch in these situations and he had already battled deGrom tough tonight.

I said it last time we faced him but I think for my money Degrom is one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball. I watch him pitch a lot over here in NY and he is way too overshadowed by harvey. Kid is an absolute stud. I am about as big of a Jace fan as it gets but I think Degrom gets out of that jam.

[thethe]

Our pitching would suck.

Oh, you didn't know?

Jace can pitch as well.

[Braves1976]

I hear your thinking but Jace has had really good AB's vs a lot of guys. deGrom is a dynamic pitcher and I was glad to see him go.

True, I don't disagree. Just Gilmartin had success against Jace before and Jace had battled deGrom tough tonight plus I thought he might be tiring. Jace is just so clutch in these spots so maybe didn't matter.

[Pugfan]

Jace with his 7th double of the month and slugging .468 in june

[Braves1976]

Darn, Uribe nailed that good just right at him.

[Hawk]

RAW DOG

[thethe]

Jace with his 7th double of the month and slugging .468 in june

Kid obviously won't be a big time power hitter but he looks like a guy that could get 55+ XBH in a season.

[yeezus]

had to log in on mobile to say ****KING JACE PETERSON BABY.

this dude is legit.

[WaitingFor2017]

I keep laughing at the "Vote Gomes" and "Vote CJ" pictures popping up.

[Julio3000]

Ok, thethe...I've got one for you:

Jace or John Hart?

[thethe]

Ok, thethe...I've got one for you:

Jace or John Hart?

I think Jace could do John Harts job better.

[Julio3000]

Joe: "Classic Markakis right there."

[stpeteirish]

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman 1m1 minute ago
Ciriaco ran to first base at "I want to stay at the Major League level" speed

really got a good read on the hit by Jace as well.

Pedro doesn't have a lot of competition for that spot on the roster, just Gosselin when he's healed.

[Hawk]

Ok, thethe...I've got one for you:

Jace or John Hart?

We need to make him pick between Jason Heyward and Frank Wren instead.

[WaitingFor2017]

Terry Collins is having a "San Diego Game 4" Fredi Gonzalez moment here.

[Braves1976]

Can they bring in a lefty for CJ? Pretty please with sugar on top! :)

[Julio3000]

I think Jace could do John Harts job better.

Dat raw power.

[NinersSBChamps]

Our pitching would suck.

And we would thrown out trying to steal.

[thethe]

We need to make him pick between Jason Heyward and Frank Wren instead.

You do realize that I still root for Heyward right? Its been totally twisted what my feelings towards Heyward are.

[Braves1976]

If Peterson keeps this up he has an argument to make the All-Star team considering his plus defense too.

[Hawk]

You do realize that I still root for Heyward right? Its been totally twisted what my feelings towards Heyward are.

That's not what it sounded like when you called him a lazy coke fiend.

[weso1]

And we would thrown out trying to steal.

In an interesting twist Jace has a great pick off move.

[cajunrevenge]

Somewhere in San Diego, the Padres GM is shouting and cursing right now.

Probably updating his resume.

[Heyward]

I said it last time we faced him but I think for my money Degrom is one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball. I watch him pitch a lot over here in NY and he is way too overshadowed by harvey. Kid is an absolute stud. I am about as big of a Jace fan as it gets but I think Degrom gets out of that jam.

My fantasy team agrees, he's been a rock for me.

But yes, DeGrom is a legit.

[smootness]

Coming into tonight, according to Fangraphs, Peterson had 1.7 WAR and JUp had 1.9. Just saying.

[Russ2dollas]

Mets pitching scares me. We loaded up on pitching in off season and draft and I don't think we touch deform or Harvey. They still have Thor and several other mid rotatin guys.

Nats have way more talent and won't keep terrible manager forever

Fl has Stanton and Fernandez with some other young studs

Division is down now but not long term

[Hawk]

My fantasy team agrees, he's been a rock for me.

But yes, DeGrom is a legit.

I just traded him tonight (before the games started, of course) for Jordan Zimmerman and Danny Salazar. I think he's going to fade in the second half.

[Garmel]

That wasn't surprising.

[Braves1976]

Typical CJ there, take the pitches to hit and swing at the one well outside and low. Hopefully two is enough to get Wisler his first W tonight.

[DaneHill]

Classic Johnson right there.

[yeezus]

I just traded him tonight (before the games started, of course) for Jordan Zimmerman and Danny Salazar. I think he's going to fade in the second half.

you got both of them for just degrom? that's a great trade.

[NinersSBChamps]

If Peterson keeps this up he has an argument to make the All-Star team considering his plus defense too.

I take Panik and Lemahieu before him.

[yeezus]

I took Jace really late in a dynasty league. someone asked me about him in a trade and I didn't wanna deal him because knew his stock would rise. currently my starting SS.

[Hawk]

you got both of them for just degrom? that's a great trade.

I also gave up AJ Burnett (who was an early season FA pickup).

[smootness]

Mets pitching scares me. We loaded up on pitching in off season and draft and I don't think we touch deform or Harvey. They still have Thor and several other mid rotatin guys.

Nats have way more talent and won't keep terrible manager forever

Fl has Stanton and Fernandez with some other young studs

Division is down now but not long term

We'll see. DeGrom was a 9th round pick out of college.

And all these guys outside of Fernandez are currently already playing great. We're the ones with the bigger stockpile that is coming.

[yeezus]

I take Panik and Lemahieu before him.

Panik is really hitting well. I take Jace over DJ. but Dee Gordon has a good case, too.

[thethe]

I take Panik and Lemahieu before him.

No Lemahieu.

[smootness]

I take Panik and Lemahieu before him.

What a shocker.

[yeezus]

I also gave up AJ Burnett (who was an early season FA pickup).

ah ok. is it a keeper/dynasty?

[Julio3000]

Get. The Kid. The W.

[Heyward]

Mets pitching scares me. We loaded up on pitching in off season and draft and I don't think we touch deform or Harvey. They still have Thor and several other mid rotatin guys.

Nats have way more talent and won't keep terrible manager forever

Fl has Stanton and Fernandez with some other young studs

Division is down now but not long term

I posted it before and you never responded, alot of the Nats roster is scheduled to hit FA in next 1-3 years. And there's always the Harper/Yankee rumors.

Span, Desmond (say what you will, he's a top 3 offensive SS), Ramos, Stras, Fister, JZimm, Storen, along with some others are due to hit FA soon.

While i agree the Nats will still be good, i'll wait and see who they lose, and who we gain with the extra money to spend and assets. Other than Giolito the Nats dont really have much coming up from the farm while our farm is stocked.

DeGrom and Harvey is as good as it gets, but we got some good studs on the pitching department as well, so we'll see.

We're better than Miami in a rebuilding year, they are what they are.

[NinersSBChamps]

Panik is really hitting well. I take Jace over DJ. but Dee Gordon has a good case, too.

Isn't he the voting leader? Gordon that is.

[CrimsonCowboy]

I thought Uribe had a good glove

[NinersSBChamps]

No Lemahieu.

Why?

[Braves1976]

Damn Uribe has not been so good on defense of late. Fluky stuff sure but still two untimely errors.

[Tapate50]

How did the Whistler do?

https://i.ytimg.com/i/PPhG4Yh3mlObOXCFqtFmLQ/mq1.jpg?v=a97181.

[smootness]

Why?

Jace's defense is much better. Lemahieu has hit a little better, but most WAR numbers have Jace with a comfortable lead over him.

Gordon, though, absolutely has to be ahead of everyone else.

[Hawk]

ah ok. is it a keeper/dynasty?

Haha, no, I'm way too impulsive for those formats.

[Braves1976]

I thought Uribe had a good glove

He hasn't the last two nights, lol.

[WaitingFor2017]

Wouldn't be a normal Grilli game if he didn't have his 20+ pitches.

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

[smootness]

Thanks for this win, Padres!

[Hawk]

FIRE.

[jimsnores]

Finally...a "relieved" smile for Wisler's Mother.

[Braves1976]

Congrats Wisler, great AB by Jace wins it for the kid who deserved it! Good game boys.

[UNCBlue012]

I know it was one game, but I really like Wisler. Man, his pitches are so crisp.

[Heyward]

Good win, fantastic job by Wisler tonight.

[weso1]

What a fun game to watch.

[nsacpi]

Huge win against a team we sre chasing

[Runnin]

Great to have a team who can score without relying on the HR.

[smootness]

I think Wisler, in his first start, set a record for most f-bombs clearly dropped by a player when on camera.

[yeezus]

enormous nights from young guys acquired this offseason. awesome win.

[Krovahn]

Wisler did work tonight. Great start and a huge hit from Jace. Good win tonight.

[thethe]

Great to have a team who can score without relying on the HR.

They don't get that job done all hte time but man this team gets a lot of chances. If you get enough guys in scoring position over the course of a game you are going to get some in.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Live look at the San Diego Padres front office:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-06NpQFp-Cc0/T8_cfS3LoFI/AAAAAAAABS4/_8SoBCn-bD0/s1600/throwing-computer.gif

[NinersSBChamps]

Didn't see the game. Did Wisler look good out there? I see he had only one strikeout. Which means nothing. Looks like he had great control as well. Just a lot of weak contact?

[thethe]

Didn't see the game. Did Wisler look good out there? I see he had only one strikeout. Which means nothing. Looks like he had great control as well. Just a lot of weak contact?

Commanding multiple pitches all night and spotting the corners to both lefties and righties. It was very impressive.

[yeezus]

Didn't see the game. Did Wisler look good out there? I see he had only one strikeout. Which means nothing. Looks like he had great control as well. Just a lot of weak contact?

2 Ks actually.

[smootness]

Didn't see the game. Did Wisler look good out there? I see he had only one strikeout. Which means nothing. Looks like he had great control as well. Just a lot of weak contact?

He ended up with 2 Ks. He looked great...seemed in control of all his pitches, and he was really efficient...only threw 80-something pitches in 8 innings.

[thethe]

Live look at the San Diego Padres front office:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-06NpQFp-Cc0/T8_cfS3LoFI/AAAAAAAABS4/_8SoBCn-bD0/s1600/throwing-computer.gif

Going to be fun when Mallex Smith is getting on base at a 35% clip with his speed next season.

[The Chosen One]

We're 2.5 back.

Thank god the NL East blows.

[cajunrevenge]

What a game for Wisler. This is a game I think we lose 9 times out of 10. Lets get Folty and Vizcaino to the MLB pen and we could butter some of those rolls the Nats are always about to be on.

[bravesnumberone]

Great work by the Padres tonight. :Bowman:

[yeezus]

can you thank a post on mobile?

[Heyward]

We're 2.5 back.

Thank god the NL East blows.

Imagine if we had a solid pen, probably 3-5 games in front.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Oh, and I have to give credit to Fredi Gonzalez for keeping Wisler in the game for the 8th inning.

[NinersSBChamps]

can you thank a post on mobile?

Only mine.

[Runnin]

They don't get that job done all hte time but man this team gets a lot of chances. If you get enough guys in scoring position over the course of a game you are going to get some in.
Even without Freddie available we sent 8 batters to the plate in the 8th inning. Against excellent pitching.

[CrimsonCowboy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH6M1kjWwAAMdGD.jpg

[yeezus]

Only mine.

which is how it should be.

[Runnin]

Grilli was good too. That's the sharpest I've seen him look since his first couple of outings.

[Dalyn]

Probably my favorite win of the year. :tchop:

[CrimsonCowboy]

#VoteBraves ‏@Braves 24s24 seconds ago
.@wisler233 went 8.0 innings w/no walks. No pitcher in Atlanta franchise history (since 1966) ever went as long in his debut w/no walks.

[Krovahn]

What a game for Wisler. This is a game I think we lose 9 times out of 10. Lets get Folty and Vizcaino to the MLB pen and we could butter some of those rolls the Nats are always about to be on.

Folty in the pen with his fastball would be something to watch if Wisler and Perez stay decent in the rotation. Plus, Weber, Kelly, and Carpenter in the AAA pen all could help too.

[NinersSBChamps]

Faulty needs to be in the bullpen if he's in Atlanta. The bullpen is lacking a hard throwing guy.

[Braves1976]

Folty would probably have more value in a trade than in our bullpen. I don't think he'd been much better out of the pen than he was last year for Houston at this point. This is partly why he'd be the one I'd include in a big trade for say Lucroy for example.

[Braves1976]

BTW, that deke by Simmons on the infield grounder by Ciriaco turned out to be a huge play in this game. It set-up Jace scoring both players.

[Braves1976]

Jace roommate in AAA was Wisler and they got drafted together, they're apparently very close so he probably really wanted to come through even more for him.

[smootness]

Oh, and I have to give credit to Fredi Gonzalez for keeping Wisler in the game for the 8th inning.

I guess, but it would have been real, real dumb to take him out with fewer than 80 pitches thrown.

[weso1]

We're 2.5 back.

Thank god the NL East blows.

As a posibrave the most absurd thing I could possibly say is that I'm really happy we have Cameron Maybin going forward this year instead of Craig Kimbrel. Yet, I'm kind of glad we have Maybin instead of Kimbrel. I'm also kind of glad we have Peterson instead of Justin. I like the KJ/Gomes Platoon in left with Peterson at 2B. I think it's better than what we had last season. I would have never have said these things before the season started yet... f' it I'm saying it.

[Braves1976]

I guess, but it would have been real, real dumb to take him out with fewer than 80 pitches thrown.

Agreed. I thought it was strange to give Fredi such props for not doing something stupid. His pitch count was very low, shoot he could've went 9 inning most likely tonight.

[Braves1976]

Jace has been both a doubles and walking machine lately, y'all already noted those stats I know. But he's also now second on the team with 26 walks despite having considerably less AB's than both Markakis and Freeman.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman 2m2 minutes ago
Wisler congratulated Peterson for making the OD roster. An hour later (after the trade) he texted him, "We might be teammates this year."

[Hawk]

I guess, but it would have been real, real dumb to take him out with fewer than 80 pitches thrown.

We're talking about Fredi here.

[Braves1976]

We're talking about Fredi here.

I thought about that too, I guess when talking about Fredi it makes more sense to give him props when he doesn't do something stupid.

[Braves1976]

Folty gave up a touch down including the extra point tonight. He also walked four in the game for Gwinnett.

[Braves1976]

CJ is now hitting .137 vs righties this year, that is so terrible.

[nsacpi]

CJ is now hitting .137 vs righties this year, that is so terrible.

Weird that he had reverse splits in his major league career before coming to Atlanta.

[Julio3000]

I think Wisler, in his first start, set a record for most f-bombs clearly dropped by a player when on camera.

Madduxian.

[Julio3000]

Folty gave up a touch down including the extra point tonight. He also walked four in the game for Gwinnett.

Maybe he's being mentored by some undesirable islander down there in AAA. Apparently that happens.

[The Chosen One]

Madduxian.

Actually wasn't Maddog more "shet!" Than f-bomb?

Greg and his trademark s-bomb and turn his head to the left and pull his hat off to wipe his forehead.

[cajunrevenge]

Thought I would tune into Baseball Tonight to see the highlights and it may have well been The Mets vs no one because it was all about the Mets. Wisler pitches 8 innings 1 run ball in his debut and they don't even say his name or mention it. Next up a 30 minute break down of the Yankees game.......

[CrimsonCowboy]

David O'Brien ‏@DOBrienAJC 2m2 minutes ago
Wisler 1st MLB pitcher since 1914 to go 8 innings in debut in so few pitches (88)

[buck75]

Got to go to the game tonight. Glad they pulled out a win for Wisler.

There were some crazy loud Mets fans in the outfield (until the 9th!!).

[GovClintonTyree]

Probably updating his resume.
Preller?

That dude is gone.

[GovClintonTyree]

We're talking about Fredi here.

Really?

A Braves debut hasn't gone eight since Smoltz 27 years ago. Russ Nixon was the last manager to give a rook the ball in the eighth.

Is it possible Fredi is actually a sentient human being capable of making a good decision once in a while, or are we committed to slamming him bad and good, like Chris Johnson or a long line of whipping boys?

It gets old, is all I'm sayin'. Saint Bobby was a moron when he worked here, too.

[GovClintonTyree]

Weird that he had reverse splits in his major league career before coming to Atlanta.

Yeah. He doesn't see righties any more, so he doesn't hit them. He's the type of guy who needs to play to stay in a groove.

The guy can hit. Anyone saying otherwise isn't paying attention. I think the real problem everybody has with him is that he's overpaid.

[GovClintonTyree]

Maybe he's being mentored by some undesirable islander down there in AAA. Apparently that happens.

Probably guzzling vodka with another dumb Polack. Kurcz, most likely. It's a mentoring program they have at Gwinnett. Knuckle was telling us about it.

[GovClintonTyree]

Thought I would tune into Baseball Tonight to see the highlights and it may have well been The Mets vs no one because it was all about the Mets. Wisler pitches 8 innings 1 run ball in his debut and they don't even say his name or mention it. Next up a 30 minute break down of the Yankees game.......

Why waste your time? I haven't watched ESPN in years. It's a regional network.

[yeezus]

Yeah. He doesn't see righties any more, so he doesn't hit them. He's the type of guy who needs to play to stay in a groove.

The guy can hit. Anyone saying otherwise isn't paying attention. I think the real problem everybody has with him is that he's overpaid.

he can only really hit when he's getting really lucky. he has little power. he can't take a walk, strikes out too much, and is about as slow as any major league player I've ever seen. I really don't see how he can hit. he's a poor overall player.

[yeezus]

Really?

A Braves debut hasn't gone eight since Smoltz 27 years ago. Russ Nixon was the last manager to give a rook the ball in the eighth.

Is it possible Fredi is actually a sentient human being capable of making a good decision once in a while, or are we committed to slamming him bad and good, like Chris Johnson or a long line of whipping boys?

It gets old, is all I'm sayin'. Saint Bobby was a moron when he worked here, too.

I'm not giving fredi credit for wisler going 8.

[Hawk]

Really?

Is it possible Fredi is actually a sentient human being capable of making a good decision once in a while

No.

[cajunrevenge]

Why waste your time? I haven't watched ESPN in years. It's a regional network.

Yeah I havent for years because I got rid of cable TV a long time ago. I got this thing called sling tv that has a few channels including ESPN and ESPN2.

[Runnin]

Wisler did not even look like a 22 yr old rookie making his first start in the bigs. Now what do you do with him?

[CyYoung31]

Wisler did not even look like a 22 yr old rookie making his first start in the bigs. Now what do you do with him?

You just keep running him out there and see what he's got. If he struggles you just tip your cap and move on.

[nsacpi]

Yeah. He doesn't see righties any more, so he doesn't hit them. He's the type of guy who needs to play to stay in a groove.

The guy can hit. Anyone saying otherwise isn't paying attention. I think the real problem everybody has with him is that he's overpaid.

He got a lot of at bats last year. The problem is when he isn't hitting he kills the team because he doesn't draw a walk and is poor on defense and the bases. But I do think he should get a game or two a week. It doesn't make sense to bury a player on the bench.

[thethe]

Trying to plan the Wisler HOF trip. Who is coming?

[Dalyn]

Trying to plan the Wisler HOF trip. Who is coming?

Jace.

[GovClintonTyree]

Wisler did not even look like a 22 yr old rookie making his first start in the bigs. Now what do you do with him?

Start him?

[GovClintonTyree]

He got a lot of at bats last year. The problem is when he isn't hitting he kills the team because he doesn't draw a walk and is poor on defense and the bases. But I do think he should get a game or two a week. It doesn't make sense to bury a player on the bench.

Yeah, he needs to be hitting.

Fortunately, when he's not, it's harder for him to kill the team with base running, cause he's rarely on base.

[zitothebrave]

Watching Wisler's highlights, I'm seeing some Tommy Hanson type of mechanics that could indicate issues. He has the same basic start slow, stop arm, then go fast that can be indicative of timing issue.

[nsacpi]

Watching Wisler's highlights, I'm seeing some Tommy Hanson type of mechanics that could indicate issues. He has the same basic start slow, stop arm, then go fast that can be indicative of timing issue.

Am I misremembering or did you claim that there wasn't anything wrong with Hanson's mechanics.

[chop2chip]

Watching Wisler's highlights, I'm seeing some Tommy Hanson type of mechanics that could indicate issues. He has the same basic start slow, stop arm, then go fast that can be indicative of timing issue.

Tom Glavine broke his mechanics down last night. He said everything looks extremely fluid in his delivery, but he would be worried about Wisler short arming his delivery.

[zitothebrave]

Tom Glavine broke his mechanics down last night. He said everything looks extremely fluid in his delivery, but he would be worried about Wisler short arming his delivery.

Tom Glavine also thought Beachy had great mechanics when he had some of the poorest hip/shoulder separation I've ever seen in a major leaguer. I love GLavine, but after that I take his opinions on mechanics with a huge grain of salt.

[zitothebrave]

Am I misremembering or did you claim that there wasn't anything wrong with Hanson's mechanics.

You're misremembering. What I said was that I couldn't find anything obviously wrong with Hanson's mechanics because he didn't have traditional mechanics, and cautioned that just cause someone has unusual mechanics doesn't mean they're bad. When I got access to better footage of Hanson (aka frame by frame footage) you can see his timing issue that happened because of his slow, stop, fast mechanics.

[chop2chip]

Tom Glavine also thought Beachy had great mechanics when he had some of the poorest hip/shoulder separation I've ever seen in a major leaguer. I love GLavine, but after that I take his opinions on mechanics with a huge grain of salt.
You said Hanson had great mechanics. Should we take your opinion with a grain of salt?

I think the HOF pitcher would understand mechanics enough to offer insight.

[Julio3000]

Jace.

1st-ballot HOFer Jace Peterson will be on hand to introduce him. Justin Upton and Craig Kimbrel--both sad, broken men--will peer longingly through the fence.

[zitothebrave]

You said Hanson had great mechanics. Should we take your opinion with a grain of salt?

I think the HOF pitcher would understand mechanics enough to offer insight.

Never said he had great mechanics. That's just a myth perpetrated by a select few that I would expect you not to be so dumb to fall into.

Actually a lot of pitchers don't understand mechanics. and what he's looking for may not be inefficient mechanics but repeatable,

[chop2chip]

1st-ballot HOFer Jace Peterson will be on hand to introduce him. Justin Upton and Craig Kimbrel--both sad, broken men--will peer longingly through the fence.

Speaking of Justin, he's having a season much like the ones we were accustomed to. Three weeks ago he looked like he was on pace to hit 35 home runs and have an all around career season. Today, his numbers are right in line with what he did in Atlanta.

I can't quite think of another hitter that would oscillate as much between red fire hot and ice blue cold as much as him.

[chop2chip]

Never said he had great mechanics. That's just a myth perpetrated by a select few that I would expect you not to be so dumb to fall into.

Actually a lot of pitchers don't understand mechanics. and what he's looking for may not be inefficient mechanics but repeatable,
Well I don't honestly know what your exact words on Hanson were, but I do know that you admitted to not understanding Hanson's mechanics until you took the time to break them down frame by frame. Glavine, obviously, isn't going to do that, so I'm not going to crucify him for making a passing judgment on Wisler's injury risks. I just found it interesting that Glavine noticed how Wisler short arms the ball and how he could envision that causing problems in the future.

[zitothebrave]

Well I don't honestly know what your exact words on Hanson were, but I do know that you admitted to not understanding Hanson's mechanics until you took the time to break them down frame by frame. Glavine, obviously, isn't going to do that, so I'm not going to crucify him for making a passing judgment on Wisler's injury risks. I just found it interesting that Glavine noticed how Wisler short arms the ball and how he could envision that causing problems in the future.

I admitted several times I had no real opinion on Hanson because from watching him live I couldn't see anything.

I rarely say anything about a pitcher if I have nothing to say. Minor for example almost certainly has something wrong with his mechanics because he's had shoulder issues. There's a handful of guys who I've said have great mechanics and most aren't playing now. And when you're dealing with something like mechanics where a hundreth of a second can be the difference between good and bad, sometimes you have to go to the super slow motion or ideally, frame by frame because frame by frame lets you really see everything. Only pitchers I've said seem to have good mechanics out there now (IIRC) are Price, King Felix, and Verlander. And with them it's mainly cause of their health. Verlander has something going wonky lately though. Not sure what. May be mechanics, may be hitters being used to him, may be in between his ears. Velocity is still there though.

[thethe]

Speaking of Justin, he's having a season much like the ones we were accustomed to. Three weeks ago he looked like he was on pace to hit 35 home runs and have an all around career season. Today, his numbers are right in line with what he did in Atlanta.

I can't quite think of another hitter that would oscillate as much between red fire hot and ice blue cold as much as him.

I'm happy with Jace!

[chop2chip]

I admitted several times I had no real opinion on Hanson because from watching him live I couldn't see anything.

I rarely say anything about a pitcher if I have nothing to say. Minor for example almost certainly has something wrong with his mechanics because he's had shoulder issues. There's a handful of guys who I've said have great mechanics and most aren't playing now. And when you're dealing with something like mechanics where a hundreth of a second can be the difference between good and bad, sometimes you have to go to the super slow motion or ideally, frame by frame because frame by frame lets you really see everything. Only pitchers I've said seem to have good mechanics out there now (IIRC) are Price, King Felix, and Verlander. And with them it's mainly cause of their health. Verlander has something going wonky lately though. Not sure what. May be mechanics, may be hitters being used to him, may be in between his ears. Velocity is still there though.
Well that's my point. I am not going to take issue with what Glavine said because he's not going to take the time to go through Wisler's mechanics frame by frame. He was just asked by Chip what he thought of his delivery and he talked about what he noticed.

[zitothebrave]

Well that's my point. I am not going to take issue with what Glavine said because he's not going to take the time to go through Wisler's mechanics frame by frame. He was just asked by Chip what he thought of his delivery and he talked about what he noticed.

Then, what you're saying is my original statement is fine, and you just posted something unrelated.

And I can't tell if he's showing the ball to second or not. It's hard to tell from camera angles with that. It kind of looks like he is, but it's hard to say for sure.

[chop2chip]

Then, what you're saying is my original statement is fine, and you just posted something unrelated.

And I can't tell if he's showing the ball to second or not. It's hard to tell from camera angles with that. It kind of looks like he is, but it's hard to say for sure.
Unrelated? I commented about what Glavine said in regards to Wisler's mechanics which you broke down in your original statement. How is that unrelated?

[zitothebrave]

Unrelated? I commented about what Glavine said in regards to Wisler's mechanics which you broke down in your original statement. How is that unrelated?

You presented it as counter evidence then basically said you can't expect him to be totally right because he hasn't taken the time to go through it frame by frame. And I think when Glavine is talking about short arming, he could be indicating a timing issue FWIW, It seems like when I hear people talk about short arming, they're talking about guys rushing through their delivery which happens when your arm is playing catchup to your body.

[chop2chip]

You presented it as counter evidence then basically said you can't expect him to be totally right because he hasn't taken the time to go through it frame by frame. And I think when Glavine is talking about short arming, he could be indicating a timing issue FWIW, It seems like when I hear people talk about short arming, they're talking about guys rushing through their delivery which happens when your arm is playing catchup to your body.
If you consider me validating your concerns by adding that Glavine was concerned with Wisler short arming the balls as "counter evidence", then fine by you. But it wouldn't be unrelated if I did disagree with you.

[thethe]

Will Jace Peterson have more fWAR per PA at the end of the season than Justin Upton?

[zitothebrave]

Will Jace Peterson have more fWAR per PA at the end of the season than Justin Upton?

Not likely. Never know though. Baseball is a funny game.

[thethe]

Not likely. Never know though. Baseball is a funny game.

Not sure why we would think that. Ever since Freddi was sent to the principals office and played Jace everyday he has been awesome. From the point on he is pacing at around a 5WAR season.

[chop2chip]

Will Jace Peterson have more fWAR per PA at the end of the season than Justin Upton?
He definitely will have less fWAR per caught stealing than Justin.

[thethe]

He definitely will have less fWAR per caught stealing than Justin.

He needs to work on his crossover step. It seems that he doesn't get good acceleration.

[chop2chip]

He needs to work on his crossover step. It seems that he doesn't get good acceleration.
All joking aside, I'm on team Jace. If your stolen base percentage is your biggest problem, then you're in good shape.

[thethe]

All joking aside, I'm on team Jace. If your stolen base percentage is your biggest problem, then you're in good shape.

No doubt. Kid should be our second baseman for quite some time. May even be an extent-tion in the near future.

[chop2chip]

No doubt. Kid should be our second baseman for quite some time. May even be an extent-tion in the near future.
Sure.. Something to be considered discussing in 3 years from now.

[AerchAngel]

I admitted several times I had no real opinion on Hanson because from watching him live I couldn't see anything.

I rarely say anything about a pitcher if I have nothing to say. Minor for example almost certainly has something wrong with his mechanics because he's had shoulder issues. There's a handful of guys who I've said have great mechanics and most aren't playing now. And when you're dealing with something like mechanics where a hundreth of a second can be the difference between good and bad, sometimes you have to go to the super slow motion or ideally, frame by frame because frame by frame lets you really see everything. Only pitchers I've said seem to have good mechanics out there now (IIRC) are Price, King Felix, and Verlander. And with them it's mainly cause of their health. Verlander has something going wonky lately though. Not sure what. May be mechanics, may be hitters being used to him, may be in between his ears. Velocity is still there though.

Zeet, you are my little bro that I love. And being a catcher like AJ size I can understand your viewpoint, but some of us who played baseball like, we can tell things just like you. Gilesfan said he has family where I came from. He can ask his family members about Finley and Shumpert (who dated my cousin, who to this day regretted dumping him because she thought she was Beyonce), I played with them both on the traveling teams. I played along side both 3rd/LF but I was the younger of the group. I was not on their level (LOL) mechanically wise, but athletically better than both, but basketball was my calling so I quit. Mechanics on a pitcher grows through maturation some will change some don't. We do not know if they are willing to listen (Hanson) or will (Wisler) because I saw some Mad Dog like command from him in that game...his first effing game. Not like he wanted to strike them out, just get them out with any means necessary with minimum effort....aka Mad Dog. Mechanics be damned in that scenario.

[Hawk]

Zeet, you are my little bro that I love.

Careful, this is one of Zito's (many) fetishes.

[thewupk]

Speaking of Justin, he's having a season much like the ones we were accustomed to. Three weeks ago he looked like he was on pace to hit 35 home runs and have an all around career season. Today, his numbers are right in line with what he did in Atlanta.

I can't quite think of another hitter that would oscillate as much between red fire hot and ice blue cold as much as him.

Andruw was like that. Maybe not to the degree that Justin is though.

[chop2chip]

Andruw was like that. Maybe not to the degree that Justin is though.
Eras be damned. Andruw is a better hitter than Justin.

It's a shame how criminally underrated he was.

[The Chosen One]

Era's be damned. Andruw is a better hitter than Justin.

It's a shame how criminally underrated he was.

He smiled when he K'd. He was the original Heyward and not caring about baseball.

[The Chosen One]

If you couldn't see the flaw in Tommy Hanson's mechanics when he was pitching live or on TV, you're zeets.

Minor I've always felt was a matter of time. Teheran is due for shoulder problems soon.