Liberal/Goldfly: I'm pro choice

[VOLracious]

Me: Can I choose my own health care?

Liberal/Goldfly: No.

Me: Can I choose what I do with the money I earn?

Liberal/Goldfly: No.

Me: Can I choose how to defend my family and possessions?

Liberal/Goldfly: No.

Me: What can I choose?

Liberal/Goldfly: Infanticide and queer marriage.

Me: I don't agree with your opinions.

Liberal/Goldfly: OMG STOP OPRESSING ME YOU RACIST, SEXIST, BIGGOT!

Probably published by others first.

Who is really trying to oppress who? Who is trying to force what on who? Was goldfly successful in putting a lien on that couple's house who refused to bake a cake for a queer couple?

Are you peeps going to let the goldfly types brig Greece to our shores?

[njc108]

WOW this is going to be good!!!


Can I ask you a question? How old are you? Are you an older white male? "Queer" huh? lol


Hmmm I thought Greece's problems was all that trickle down economics crap...But I could be wrong.

[Runnin]

This thread has nothing to do with me, but how about we see just how "liberal/conservative" people are. This test of course is highly accurate and scientifically created.

Political Coordinates Test (http://www.celebritytypes.com/political-coordinates/test.php)

http://www.celebritytypes.com/graph.php?n0=1&n1=13.9&n2=0&n3=0&n4=2.8

[weso1]

Hmmm I thought Greece's problems was all that trickle down economics crap...But I could be wrong.

Greece is a major welfare state. They shouldn't have joined the European union. They are basically trapped now. Milton Friedman was prophetic when he essentially said that a single monetary system can work in a situation in which everyone has similar fiscal ideals, like the US. But in Europe where you have very different customs, different languages and such, it just can't work. Greece wasn't able to manipulate its currency. Iceland had its own financial collapse and that country has fully recovered and then some, largely because it was able to manipulate its currency.

[goldfly]

Vol

How old are you?

Cause I am guessing older than I thought since you are posting mass forwarded right wing emails that grand parents pass a long

[Hawk]

Hmmm I thought Greece's problems was all that trickle down economics crap...But I could be wrong.

There's not exactly one singular reason that is to blame ... lots of contributing factors -- but trickle-down economics are/were not involved at all.

There are basically three major components which contributed to the failure of the Greek economic system:

1) Quick-fix austerity measures implemented (to impress the Euro finance Gods, like Germany and Northern Europe) prior to Greece joining the Eurozone in 2001.
2) The subsequent undoing of those measures upon joining the Euro, followed by unchecked borrowing/spending in preparation for the 2004 Olympic games.
3) The Greek government trying to offset the country's monstrous debt -- which was over 150% of their GDP (!) -- by raising taxes, on top of re-implementing austerity programs, during the Global Financial crisis circa 2007-2009.

The Greek people revolted/protested/rioted and the country has more or less been in a state of financial and political flux (meanwhile borrowing [to survive] essentially double their debt from Europe) ever since.

Many economists use Greece as Example A of why socialist economics are potentially dangerous. France/Spain/Portugal are example B.

[The Chosen One]

Iceland I believe jailed the corrupt bankers after their collapse. We haven't yet.

[Gary82]

This thread has nothing to do with me, but how about we see just how "liberal/conservative" people are. This test of course is highly accurate and scientifically created.

Political Coordinates Test (http://www.celebritytypes.com/political-coordinates/test.php)

http://www.celebritytypes.com/graph.php?n0=1&n1=13.9&n2=0&n3=0&n4=2.8

http://www.celebritytypes.com/graph.php?n0=1&n1=41.7&n2=0&n3=66.7&n4=0

I've moved to the right since the last time I took this.

[weso1]

Iceland I believe jailed the corrupt bankers after their collapse. We haven't yet.

Yes, and there should have been. I would say we'll probably pay for that later, but they did arrest a bunch of guys after the savings and loan scandal and that didn't help prevent another much bigger crisis a couple of decades later.

[Coredor]

39% right 25% liberal bottom right quadrant. I have a lot of libertarian tendencies, but there are some rather notable exceptions to my attitudes. I'm ok with regulation, but I'm not an advocate of wealth redistribution although I believe deeply in education, healthcare, and infrastructure. I also believe that there does need to be regulation of business to insure transparent markets and to curb blatant abuses. I also hate socially conservative viewpoints from a government standpoint although I am personally pretty conservative. For instance I'm for legalizing marijuana, but personally I detest the stuff. I am also not a fan of the many constituencies in the Democratic party. I don't like all the racial and feminist stuff, and frankly I hate the 99% progressive crap.

I don't like either party. Honestly I would have fit in a lot better with the Republican party when their base was more in the northeast and they weren't catering to southerners and westerners.

[weso1]

I was down in the lower left quadrant.

[zitothebrave]

http://www.celebritytypes.com/graph.php?n0=1&n1=16.7&n2=0&n3=86.1&n4=0

Shocked I'm that far right, but not shocked I'm that far liberal. I usually wind up a bit more to the left on these quizzes.

[AerchAngel]

I am just left of center, just a bar left and one bar down in the blue, next to Slick Willie. I don't have internet buckets to save files.

but you have to drug me for me to vote Dem ever again especially after what we are experiencing now.


2.8% Left, 16.7% Liberal

[The Chosen One]

I was exactly center in the bottom left quadrant.

[Krgrecw]

36.1 in the upper right quadrant.

[57Brave]

55 Left
75 Liberal

[Runnin]

I am just left of center, just a bar left and one bar down in the blue, next to Slick Willie. I don't have internet buckets to save files.

but you have to drug me for me to vote Dem ever again especially after what we are experiencing now.


2.8% Left, 16.7% Liberal
You guys are all more liberal than me. LOL

[zitothebrave]

You guys are all more liberal than me. LOL

You do knwo this is the classical definition of liberal right?

[Runnin]

You do knwo this is the classical definition of liberal right?The term has been misused to the point that who knows anymore.

[zitothebrave]

Well they put it clearly

All liberals start from the belief that upholding individual liberties is more important than catering to the needs of society.

Again, there is left liberal and right liberal. I've also seen the words libertarian and authoritarian used instead.

[goldfly]

Me: Can I choose my own health care?

Liberal/Goldfly: No.

Me: Can I choose what I do with the money I earn?

Liberal/Goldfly: No.

Me: Can I choose how to defend my family and possessions?

Liberal/Goldfly: No.

Me: What can I choose?

Liberal/Goldfly: Infanticide and queer marriage.

Me: I don't agree with your opinions.

Liberal/Goldfly: OMG STOP OPRESSING ME YOU RACIST, SEXIST, BIGGOT!

Probably published by others first.

Who is really trying to oppress who? Who is trying to force what on who? Was goldfly successful in putting a lien on that couple's house who refused to bake a cake for a queer couple?

Are you peeps going to let the goldfly types brig Greece to our shores?


by the way, to answer your very stupid mass email:

yes
yes
sure
a lot

[Oklahomahawk]

The term has been misused to the point that who knows anymore.

FWIW, mine was almost identical to yours.

[Runnin]

All liberals start from the belief that upholding individual liberties is more important than catering to the needs of society.

I've never held that belief so maybe I'm not "a liberal". Being from the South and knowing how individual liberties/states rights so quickly leads to shutting certain people out of the process, how could I? But I naively included ALL people in my notion of society, which I guess is where the problem begins.

[zitothebrave]

I've never held that belief so maybe I'm not "a liberal". Being from the South and knowing how individual liberties/states rights so quickly leads to shutting certain people out of the process, how could I? But I naively included ALL people in my notion of society, which I guess is where the problem begins.

That's why you're smack dab in the middle of that scale.

[weso1]

Despite the awkward use of the word "queer" I agree with the op. The phrase "pro choice" was nothing more than certain liberals trying to make themselves feel better about saying the were pro pregnancy termination. The first attack on vol was his race and his age. Just seems really lame. Attack his points if you disagree with him. I mean should I ignore sturg and goldly because they are old?

[zitothebrave]

Despite the awkward use of the word "queer" I agree with the op. The phrase "pro choice" was nothing more than certain liberals trying to make themselves feel better about saying the were pro pregnancy termination. The first attack on vol was his race and his age. Just seems really lame. Attack his points if you disagree with him. I mean should I ignore sturg and goldly because they are old?

As is pro-life and pro-choice are both marketing term rather than what they are. One being keeping the government out of a woman's decision of terminating a pregnancy and the other outlawing said act.

I think it was years ago when someone on here took to calling pro-choice pro-abortion and to be a snarky jerk that I am, called him/her anti-choice or anti-freedom or something like that.

[BedellBrave]

Always thought this place was full of a bunch of leftwing nut jobs. :-) Have a nice day you bunch of pinkos.

[BedellBrave]

As is pro-life and pro-choice are both marketing term rather than what they are. One being keeping the government out of a woman's decision of terminating a pregnancy and the other outlawing said act.

I think it was years ago when someone on here took to calling pro-choice pro-abortion and to be a snarky jerk that I am, called him/her anti-choice or anti-freedom or something like that.


What anti-free-to-kill-your-child? Something like that? :-)

[goldfly]

Despite the awkward use of the word "queer" I agree with the op. The phrase "pro choice" was nothing more than certain liberals trying to make themselves feel better about saying the were pro pregnancy termination. The first attack on vol was his race and his age. Just seems really lame. Attack his points if you disagree with him. I mean should I ignore sturg and goldly because they are old?

haha, attack him?

there is no reason to discuss with him but funny to paint him as the victim when the title is "Liberal/Goldfly: I'm pro choice"

i live rent free in his dome

he won't respond and is a crazy person who posts and runs.

get the **** out of here with your post weso.

[AerchAngel]

This thread has nothing to do with me, but how about we see just how "liberal/conservative" people are. This test of course is highly accurate and scientifically created.

Political Coordinates Test (http://www.celebritytypes.com/political-coordinates/test.php)

http://www.celebritytypes.com/graph.php?n0=1&n1=13.9&n2=0&n3=0&n4=2.8

Hey Running, I am just SE of you on the dot, one square. Still in the blue on the liberal side (I want to puke).

[sturg33]

As is pro-life and pro-choice are both marketing term rather than what they are. One being keeping the government out of a woman's decision of terminating a pregnancy and the other outlawing said act.

I think it was years ago when someone on here took to calling pro-choice pro-abortion and to be a snarky jerk that I am, called him/her anti-choice or anti-freedom or something like that.

I'm 26.

But you are correct - the only thing liberals are pro-choice about is abortion. And that seems to be about the worst things to support, IMO

[Runnin]

Hey Running, I am just SE of you on the dot, one square. Still in the blue on the liberal side (I want to puke).
Aim to the right before you puke.

I left many of those questions in the middle because I didn't like the way they were phrased.

[AerchAngel]

Aim to the right before you puke.

I left many of those questions in the middle because I didn't like the way they were phrased.

I totally agree there.

[acesfull86]

I ended up on the far right/liberal. Basically where Milton Friedman lands on the example it gives. No shock there.


Right-liberalism (Libertarianism): Individuals in this quadrant seek to uphold liberty as the primary political good in all respects. They tend to see themselves as staunch supporters of both personal and economic freedom and are deeply skeptical of collective plans and goals, stressing instead the principle of voluntary association and the individual’s capacity to make his own judgments. They typically see less of a role for the state than individuals in the other three quadrants, believing instead in the spontaneous social order of the market.

Yeah, pretty much.

[sturg33]

I was in the bottom right... a little below Friedman

[Dalyn]

http://www.celebritytypes.com/graph.php?n0=1&n1=5.6&n2=0&n3=27.8&n4=0

[AerchAngel]

I bet Steak Sauce bent the scale, it couldn't go further south west.

[Runnin]

I bet Steak Sauce bent the scale, it couldn't go further south west.
Living in Japan has skewed my social sense and political leanings. I now naively believe that most people can behave themselves like sensible adults.

[bravesnumberone]

http://www.celebritytypes.com/graph.php?n0=1&n1=0&n2=25.0&n3=33.3&n4=0

[bravesnumberone]

This is one I've taken a couple times. Seems pretty consistent with the coordinates test. Placed me right in between Rand and Bernie.

http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/1130077107

[zitothebrave]

I've got similar percentages but flipped. Also Hildog is further down on mine.

[bravesnumberone]

39% right 25% liberal bottom right quadrant. I have a lot of libertarian tendencies, but there are some rather notable exceptions to my attitudes. I'm ok with regulation, but I'm not an advocate of wealth redistribution although I believe deeply in education, healthcare, and infrastructure. I also believe that there does need to be regulation of business to insure transparent markets and to curb blatant abuses. I also hate socially conservative viewpoints from a government standpoint although I am personally pretty conservative. For instance I'm for legalizing marijuana, but personally I detest the stuff. I am also not a fan of the many constituencies in the Democratic party. I don't like all the racial and feminist stuff, and frankly I hate the 99% progressive crap.

I don't like either party. Honestly I would have fit in a lot better with the Republican party when their base was more in the northeast and they weren't catering to southerners and westerners.

This is probably largely true of me.

[bravesnumberone]

I've got similar percentages but flipped. Also Hildog is further down on mine.

Predictably, I'm separated from pretty much all of the candidates when you look at it on the map.

[50PoundHead]

16.7% Left, 50.0% Liberal

[Coredor]

This is one I've taken a couple times. Seems pretty consistent with the coordinates test. Placed me right in between Rand and Bernie.

http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/1130077107

I come out much more liberal and closer to Hillary and Sanders on that test. It seemed to hit some issues that were exceptions to my general philosophy though. I'm very liberal as long as it doesn't involve money. Of course exceptions for me are healthcare and education. which were covered pretty well in that test. I'm also a liberal who thinks employment decisions should be made however an employer wants to, and I don't think income equality is the government's business. That being said I have a lot of contempt for people who do discriminate. Somehow though the test put me closest to Bernie Sanders. Go figure. I won't vote for him.