REAL FOOTBALL Thread

[zitothebrave]

Falcons rule

Discuss

[TURBO]

Pats>

[Bdawg2309]

flukernick.

[AUTiger7222]

If Julio Jones or some other Falcon isn't in the opening intro on NBC this season my head might exploded. I'm sick of seeing less deserving players like DeSean Jackson and Nick Mangold in the opening over someone like Julio.

[NinersSBChamps]

If Julio Jones or some other Falcon isn't in the opening intro on NBC this season my head might exploded. I'm sick of seeing less deserving players like DeSean Jackson and Nick Mangold in the opening over someone like Julio.

lol I didn't know this was some big accomplishment.

[AUTiger7222]

lol I didn't know this was some big accomplishment.

It's not. It would just be pretty cool to finally see the Falcons get some good pub.

[AUTiger7222]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&client=mv-google&hl=en&v=rZgpjA2IQMo&feature=youtube_gdata_player&nomobile=1

[AUTiger7222]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s77/AUTiger1/uv6Ist4_zps352db636.jpg

[thethe]

flukernick.

Who are you a fan of again?

[elmonthc]

Cruz resigns with the giants. Basically a five year extension plus this years ten4er. Only 15 mil guarenteed. Good deal for both sides. Though he was offered tge same deal months ago. On to jpp and nicks.

[thethe]

Cruz resigns with the giants. Basically a five year extension plus this years ten4er. Only 15 mil guarenteed. Good deal for both sides. Though he was offered tge same deal months ago. On to jpp and nicks.

This is the way to build a team. Target your top players and pay them. Fill the rest of the roster with picks and underpaid free agents.

[thethe]

If Julio Jones or some other Falcon isn't in the opening intro on NBC this season my head might exploded. I'm sick of seeing less deserving players like DeSean Jackson and Nick Mangold in the opening over someone like Julio.

Its just going to be Kaepernick the whole time.

[Bdawg2309]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOrVzu_CAAEdfL9.jpg

[thethe]

I didn't care about that. If the 49ers show him the money he will stay.

[TURBO]

I cant believe it is even a deal that he wears a hat of a different sports city. Who cares. Players are fans too. The kid is going to be special. Hopefully thethe doesnt ruin that for me. Not a 49ers fan, but Im looking forward to watching him play.

[thethe]

I cant believe it is even a deal that he wears a hat of a different sports city. Who cares. Players are fans too. The kid is going to be special. Hopefully thethe doesnt ruin that for me. Not a 49ers fan, but Im looking forward to watching him play.

Oh, I'll ruin it.

As a Pats fan you saw up close just how special he can be.

[GMAJAH25]

You're supposed to be representing and promoting your team....if the NFL has similar standards as MLB...he will be fined....meaning he shouldnt be doing it.

[Bdawg2309]

Roddy white: "Zimmerman is guilty" but "Hernandez is innocent until proven guilty" ...... Lol

[thethe]

Roddy white: "Zimmerman is guilty" but "Hernandez is innocent until proven guilty" ...... Lol

Athletes need to keep their mouths shut. They are paid because of their athletic ability and not their 2 cent heads.

[gilesfan]

Roddy White is one of the dumber players in the NFL.

LOL off Kapernick wearing a Dolphins hat. What an idiot.

[BRule]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH KAP

[thethe]

Definitely wasn't his smartest move but I still dont' see what the big deal is. If the 49ers pay him he will be a 49er for life.

[BRule]

It's just stupid....would the CEO of any major company show up wearing or supporting his competition?

[thethe]

It's just stupid....would the CEO of any major company show up wearing or supporting his competition?

You can't compare sports to business. Not when the major players are kids. In a league where arrests are happening weekly, I'm more than happy with Kaeps big misstep being that he wore an opposing teams hat. You know, one of hte teams he beat last year.

[BRule]

You can't compare sports to business. Not when the major players are kids. In a league where arrests are happening weekly, I'm more than happy with Kaeps big misstep being that he wore an opposing teams hat. You know, one of hte teams he beat last year.

Uhhhhhh, isn't the NFL one of the most popular and sucessful businesses around?

[thethe]

Uhhhhhh, isn't the NFL one of the most popular and sucessful businesses around?

Sports business is completely unique. Its not comparable. But, I know you will have some sort of retort.

[zitothebrave]

Uhhhhhh, isn't the NFL one of the most popular and sucessful businesses around?

No the NFL is one of the most successful non-profits in the world

[zitothebrave]

What is it about guys wanting to be shirtless around other guys? Kap in that whatever is happening there, VY in the club with a bunch of other shirtless guys.

[BRule]

Sports business is completely unique. Its not comparable. But, I know you will have some sort of retort.

How is it unique?

[thethe]

How is it unique?

First off, all but one of the organizations is privately held while the majority of the largest companies in the world are publically held.

Secondly, and most important is the lifeblood of the league are youths before the age of 30 and they are going to make stupid decisions.

There are plenty others but I just don't care to think that hard while I'm at my desk.

[BRule]

So there are not 20 somethings who run their own company?

Pretty sure the FaceBook dude isn't running around wearing twitter T-Shirts......

You're being silly if you think the NFL doesn't run itself or view itself as a major corporation.

[NinersSBChamps]

What is it about guys wanting to be shirtless around other guys? Kap in that whatever is happening there, VY in the club with a bunch of other shirtless guys.

Have you seen his physique? If I looked like that minus all the tattoos I'd walk around in the nude.

[zitothebrave]

Have you seen his physique? If I looked like that minus all the tattoos I'd walk around in the nude.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/855/35xyux.jpg

[thethe]

So there are not 20 somethings who run their own company?

Pretty sure the FaceBook dude isn't running around wearing twitter T-Shirts......

You're being silly if you think the NFL doesn't run itself or view itself as a major corporation.

Trying to liken "Business" to facebook is foolish. In the majority of situations they are run by old white men.

Further, the type of atire that is worn by these CEO's is not condusive to advertising for another company. There aren't going to be professional twitter ties or baseball caps that these people are wearing around. The fact that you are trying to compare the two just shows a lack of fundamental understanding of the differences between sports business and all other business. If you really want to compare what a CEO would not wear then it would be more appropriate to say what Jed York would not wear or what John Mara would not wear. Not Colin Kaepernick. So foolish.

[BRule]

I used CEO as an example....do you think if an hourly employee at FaceBook showed up to work in a Twitter shirt that he would have a job for much longer?

Point is, if you are employed by one business then you shouldn't be advertising for another, at least not at work or in public....pretty basic.

[thethe]

I used CEO as an example....do you think if an hourly employee at FaceBook showed up to work in a Twitter shirt that he would have a job for much longer?

Point is, if you are employed by one business then you shouldn't be advertising for another, at least not at work or in public....pretty basic.

If Kaep showed up to 49ers practice in a Dolphins cap then I agree he should get in trouble. He was out with friends at a party and wore a hat that he thought looked good. People buy hats for teams they don't care for at all. I have looked silly numerous times going up to a random stranger saying go 49ers/Braves and have received a response that they don't like hte team just the colors. You are making this an issue because you want to and not becuase it is.

[zitothebrave]

Don't really care about Kaepernick wearing Phins gear, simply because I don't think it means anything with people my age and younger. I know many people who wear multiple teams hats, they use hats for style rather than fandom.

[thethe]

Don't really care about Kaepernick wearing Phins gear, simply because I don't think it means anything with people my age and younger. I know many people who wear multiple teams hats, they use hats for style rather than fandom.

Which is exactly what I just said. We know BRule is just stirring to the pot because he is a player on my team. Its cool.

[zitothebrave]

That said though, he shouldn't be wearing a Phins cap otu in public. When I worked for Verizon we weren't allowed to have non-Verizon phones out for obvious reasons and I think the same common sense rule should apply. Kaepernick I'm sure had no ill intent, but no good could come from wearing it and I don't know why he would.

[thethe]

That said though, he shouldn't be wearing a Phins cap otu in public. When I worked for Verizon we weren't allowed to have non-Verizon phones out for obvious reasons and I think the same common sense rule should apply. Kaepernick I'm sure had no ill intent, but no good could come from wearing it and I don't know why he would.

I agree. I would rather he not wear the hat. He should have more sense to realize how much of a public figure he has become since he took the sport by storm last year. I'm just not going to make such a big deal about it since he was wearing that hat for fashion.

[zitothebrave]

Also got to love all the negative publicity around the Redskins, amazingly stupid they won't change their horribly racist team name.

[BRule]

LOLLions

3/53 with 43 gtd for Staff hahahahahahah

[zitothebrave]

LOLLions

3/53 with 43 gtd for Staff hahahahahahah

Teams need to stop being stupid with this money, gonna make keeping Ryan harder.

[thethe]

I have no clue how the 49ers are going to keep all this talent together and keep Kaep. They have already made so many fiscal committments. Hopefully Kaep doesn't try to break the bank.

[BRule]

Teams need to stop being stupid with this money, gonna make keeping Ryan harder.

I can't wait

[zitothebrave]

I can't wait

Still will be better than the Bucs. Falcons could Flacco contract Ryan and cut half the team and they'd make the playoffs.

[thethe]

Still will be better than the Bucs. Falcons could Flacco contract Ryan and cut half the team and they'd make the playoffs.

They better keep those receivers because we are not sure how good he would be without all those weapons. But that is the nature of hte NFL. Offense offense and more offense.

[BRule]

Still will be better than the Bucs. Falcons could Flacco contract Ryan and cut half the team and they'd make the playoffs.

Not for much longer

[zitothebrave]

Roddy I think will go in the near future. He's getting up there in age. Julio will go nowhere, and the Falcons will have money to get another receiver or 2. Need to get a TE though.

[thethe]

Roddy I think will go in the near future. He's getting up there in age. Julio will go nowhere, and the Falcons will have money to get another receiver or 2. Need to get a TE though.

Should have been smart like hte niners and drated Lattimore. Can't wait till 2014. Hope that kid is healthy. Ryan would be deadly with an effective play action.

[zitothebrave]

Should have been smart like hte niners and drated Lattimore. Can't wait till 2014. Hope that kid is healthy. Ryan would be deadly with an effective play action.

Wouldn't have minded Lattimore, but I was very happy with the Falcons draft. Now they'll have the secondary to play teams man up on the WRs, and not to mention got their DE as well.

And as far as Lattimore goes, the Falcons are playing all in this year, they brought Tony back, got Stephen Jackson so they were gonna shoot for impact guys immediately. Which is risky, but if they win it all it will make them look like geniuses, if they don't there will be questions.

[thethe]

Wouldn't have minded Lattimore, but I was very happy with the Falcons draft. Now they'll have the secondary to play teams man up on the WRs, and not to mention got their DE as well.

And as far as Lattimore goes, the Falcons are playing all in this year, they brought Tony back, got Stephen Jackson so they were gonna shoot for impact guys immediately. Which is risky, but if they win it all it will make them look like geniuses, if they don't there will be questions.

A fourth or third round pick would not have hurt. I like Demitriov. He has done a great job but the Falcons have a GLARING need at RB long term. It was a mistake.

[zitothebrave]

Falcons were able to win a ton of games with an ineffective Turner. No reason they can't do the same with other RBs.

Unless he tanks they have 2 years of Jackson for cheap. They can take a RB next year, or who knows, maybe Quizz is legit (don't think so though)

[TURBO]

A fourth or third round pick would not have hurt. I like Demitriov. He has done a great job but the Falcons have a GLARING need at RB long term. It was a mistake.

But its impossible to predict the future. Like Zito said, they are playing to win this year. How many mid round HB flame out. Theres a chance Lattimore doesnt amount to anything. But I do think it was a excellent pick, becuase he had to talent to be a top pick, but its no guarantee.

[thethe]

But its impossible to predict the future. Like Zito said, they are playing to win this year. How many mid round HB flame out. Theres a chance Lattimore doesnt amount to anything. But I do think it was a excellent pick, becuase he had to talent to be a top pick, but its no guarantee.

RB is certainly a position where yoiu can draft late. Maybe people passed on Lattimore for a reason and he will be worthless in the future. I just thought for a team starved of RB's would take that chance. I mean, the 49ers have two guys long term and still took him they though so much of his talent.

[Carp]

Would be surprised if lattimore is still in the league in 4 yrs. I think he'll be out and be a commentator by then

[thethe]

Would be surprised if lattimore is still in the league in 4 yrs. I think he'll be out and be a commentator by then

Because of one injury?

[Carp]

Because of one injury?

It hasn't been just "one injury." He's has had torn ligaments and surgery on BOTH knees within the last 2 yrs. That is basically the kiss of death of any RB, no matter what age. If it was just the one injury, he would have still gone 1st round (especially in this draft). McGahee went in the 1st round literally 4 months after basically the same injury. You are fooling yourself if you think Lattimore is remotely likely to get back to same player he was in college.

[thethe]

It hasn't been just "one injury." He's has had surgery on BOTH knees within the last 2 yrs. If it was just the one injury, he would have still gone 1st round (especially in this draft). McGahee went in the 1st round literally 4 months after basically the same injury. You are fooling yourself if you think Lattimore is even likely to get back to same player he was in college.

We will just have to wait and see. Frank Gore had similar injury problems coming into the NFL and he turned out just fine. Surgery gets better and better and athletes are coming back stronger and stronger from it.

[NinersSBChamps]

It hasn't been just "one injury." He's has had torn ligaments and surgery on BOTH knees within the last 2 yrs. That is basically the kiss of death of any RB, no matter what age. If it was just the one injury, he would have still gone 1st round (especially in this draft). McGahee went in the 1st round literally 4 months after basically the same injury. You are fooling yourself if you think Lattimore is remotely likely to get back to same player he was in college.

He was a luxury pick. When you no glaring needs you can do this.

[parkvadawg]

Falcons were able to win a ton of games with an ineffective Turner. No reason they can't do the same with other RBs.

Unless he tanks they have 2 years of Jackson for cheap. They can take a RB next year, or who knows, maybe Quizz is legit (don't think so though)

Agreed. Turner was the worst back in the league last year. Matt has also done well with limited help. (Rookie year)

[thethe]

Agreed. Turner was the worst back in the league last year. Matt has also done well with limited help. (Rookie year)

Roddy White and a fresh Michael Turner is no help?

[parkvadawg]

Roddy White and a fresh Michael Turner is no help?

Roddy while had a good year before with Redmon, Jury was still out. Was widely considered a bust with Vick. No other receivers. Jenkins was awful. Turner was great. A lot less then what he has now.

[zitothebrave]

Roddy White and a fresh Michael Turner is no help?

I'd take Julio and a potential other option over Roddy and Turner.

[parkvadawg]

Love the Falcon support on this board

[thethe]

I'd take Julio and a potential other option over Roddy and Turner.

Turner was damn good when he first came over.

[thethe]

Love the Falcon support on this board

Just wait till the football season. Zito and I are vicious towards each other.

[parkvadawg]

Just wait till the football season. Zito and I are vicious towards each other.

Looks like I'm backing Zito on this :)

[NinersSBChamps]

Love the Falcon support on this board

Just wait until the season starts...

I kid I kid.

[parkvadawg]

Just wait until the season starts...

I kid I kid.

Oh I know lol. We shall see y'all again sir

[thethe]

Oh I know lol. We shall see y'all again sir

If we're both lucky. NFL is a funny game. It could easily be Seattle and Green Bay next year in the NFC Championship game.

[Bdawg2309]

the 3rd word in this tweet is more a appalling than wearing a dolphins cap

https://twitter.com/Kaepernick7/statuses/354394146422796289

[zitothebrave]

Turner was damn good when he first came over.

Turner could only run the ball though. Ryan only had like 2 or 3 targets ona given play that year. Now he has 4-5 on a given play and he can handle them.

[Carp]

He was a luxury pick. When you no glaring needs you can do this.


I understand that. And I certainly hope Lattimore turns out to be the next AP. He's an absolute terrific guy. But I highly doubt he amounts to much.

[Carp]

We will just have to wait and see. Frank Gore had similar injury problems coming into the NFL and he turned out just fine. Surgery gets better and better and athletes are coming back stronger and stronger from it.

On both Knees?

[zitothebrave]

On both Knees?

Yeah that's the most concerning part. And he had the McGehee injury. ACL, PCL, and MCL. One can hope he comes back like Willis did, but it's not a given.

[thethe]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2013/2013-nfl-draft-report-card-report

Yup, the 49ers know what they are doing. Depth over depth and when its time to say goodbye to some veterans there will be plenty on the way to help.

[AUTiger7222]

Just saw a commercial advertisting NFL Kickoff weekend on NBC featuring the Manning Brothers! You know it's getting close once you start seeing football commercials! So ready for it!

[elmonthc]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2013/2013-nfl-draft-report-card-report

Yup, the 49ers know what they are doing. Depth over depth and when its time to say goodbye to some veterans there will be plenty on the way to help.


They havent one anything yet so......

[GMAJAH25]

Summer is flying by...bittersweet.

Cant wait for the season to start though. I just wish these Indian Casinos had Sportsbooks!!

[NinersSBChamps]

They havent one anything yet so......

And their window is getting smaller. Losing the SB last season is inexcusable.

[zitothebrave]

And their window is getting smaller. Losing the SB last season is inexcusable.

Especially since they should'nt have been there in the first place :icwudt:

[thethe]

They havent one anything yet so......

No but that isnt the only way to measure whether or organization knows what they are doing. Kaep was a kid and made some mistakes in the SB and they dtill almost won. This will be a special year.

[thethe]

Especially since they should'nt have been there in the first place :icwudt:

YEah cause Seattle might have beaten them.

[zitothebrave]

YEah cause Seattle might have beaten them.

Or you know, the refs didn't miss an obvious defensive penalty. :elefant:

[NinersSBChamps]

Or you know, the refs didn't miss an obvious defensive penalty. :elefant:

I think we can all agree that Baltimore wasn't going to lose no matter who they played. The NFL wasn't having that.

[GMAJAH25]

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/nfl-myth-busting-tony-romo-and-the-dallas-cowboys-are-americas-chokers/23434/

Very nice article.

[thethe]

I agree that Romo gets too much criticism but thats what happens when you are the starting QB of the Cowboys.

[ChapelHillMatt]

RG3's recovery seems to be going well:icon_biggrin:


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7406

[thethe]

RG3's recovery seems to be going well:icon_biggrin:


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7406

Thats great news. I hope he comes back even better next year.

[GMAJAH25]

I agree that Romo gets too much criticism but thats what happens when you are the starting QB of the Cowboys.

But that seems like an improper way of evaluating a player? Example A, B, and C....but oops hes a Cowboy so all analysis aside he's this, that, and the other.

If you wanna use that thought process of comparing him to former Cowboys...fine. But in comparison to the rest of the NFL how is that relevant?

[thethe]

But that seems like an improper way of evaluating a player? Example A, B, and C....but oops hes a Cowboy so all analysis aside he's this, that, and the other.

If you wanna use that thought process of comparing him to former Cowboys...fine. But in comparison to the rest of the NFL how is that relevant?

Its only relevant because more people analyze Romo simply because more people watch as a result of Dallas being a more popular team. Hard to label other QB's clutch or not when they aren't watched as much. I kid mostly with my criticism of Romo. He is clearly one of the better QB's int he league. Top 10-15. Any team would be lucky to have him. he does have some warts but everyone does (aside from kaep).

[GMAJAH25]

Its only relevant because more people analyze Romo simply because more people watch as a result of Dallas being a more popular team. Hard to label other QB's clutch or not when they aren't watched as much. I kid mostly with my criticism of Romo. He is clearly one of the better QB's int he league. Top 10-15. Any team would be lucky to have him. he does have some warts but everyone does (aside from kaep).

But if he is always watched..then how is the full body of work left out when analyzing(criticizing) him as a player? He's not the best QB in the league...but he's extremely undervalued. Especially considering where he came from..

Im sure you think Kaep was a steal in the draft...but imagine your throbbing schmeckel if Kaep was an UDFA

[thethe]

But if he is always watched..then how is the full body of work left out when analyzing(criticizing) him as a player? He's not the best QB in the league...but he's extremely undervalued. Especially considering where he came from..

Im sure you think Kaep was a steal in the draft...but imagine your throbbing schmeckel if Kaep was an UDFA

Well considering Kaep is going to be teh best QB of all time then even if he was drafted first overall he would have been a steal.

[elmonthc]

No but that isnt the only way to measure whether or organization knows what they are doing. Kaep was a kid and made some mistakes in the SB and they dtill almost won. This will be a special year.


They havent had to pay a franchise qb yet. Once that happens youll see how hard it is to make moves. Franchise qbs are great but they also hurt their team with the contracts they make. The new cba should have had a cap on qb contracts.

[elmonthc]

Its only relevant because more people analyze Romo simply because more people watch as a result of Dallas being a more popular team. Hard to label other QB's clutch or not when they aren't watched as much. I kid mostly with my criticism of Romo. He is clearly one of the better QB's int he league. Top 10-15. Any team would be lucky to have him. he does have some warts but everyone does (aside from kaep).

The nfl itself is overanalyze. Romo is a really good qb. However the last two years he could have put his team in the playoffs and choked. He hasnt proven to be a big game qb yet.

[TURBO]

Everybody wanting me to do pick em again?

[Heyward]

I think we can all agree that Baltimore wasn't going to lose no matter who they played. The NFL wasn't having that.

Sadly this.

[Heyward]

The nfl itself is overanalyze. Romo is a really good qb. However the last two years he could have put his team in the playoffs and choked. He hasnt proven to be a big game qb yet.

Romo > Eli.

[Heyward]

No but that isnt the only way to measure whether or organization knows what they are doing. Kaep was a kid and made some mistakes in the SB and they dtill almost won. This will be a special year.

They'll miss Crabtree more than some think imo, he was Kap's go-to guy.

I love the Boldin pickup, but the rest of the WR's are so-so, we'll see how good Kap really is now.

The battle between SF/Seattle is gonna be sick.

[Heyward]

Broncos sign Ryan Clady to a 5 year, 57.5 million extension, with 33 million guaranteed.

With incentives if he makes 2 Pro Bowls.

Glad that's over, big man deserves every penny.

[GMAJAH25]

Everybody wanting me to do pick em again?

Yes Sir

[thethe]

They havent had to pay a franchise qb yet. Once that happens youll see how hard it is to make moves. Franchise qbs are great but they also hurt their team with the contracts they make. The new cba should have had a cap on qb contracts.

Yeah...it will be tough but you cant win without one. Hopefully all thes3 picks that the niners have accrued work out. Soon they wont have to pay rogers/whitner and Smith is taking less money. Have to find a way to keep Kaep/Aldon/Iupati.

[thethe]

They'll miss Crabtree more than some think imo, he was Kap's go-to guy.

I love the Boldin pickup, but the rest of the WR's are so-so, we'll see how good Kap really is now.

The battle between SF/Seattle is gonna be sick.

They have guys to step in in the meantime. Kyle Williams will have a solid year and they have plenty of running backs to lighten the load. It wont be as good as it coukd have been but as lon as crab is back for the playoffs strong we will be fine.

[Heyward]

They have guys to step in in the meantime. Kyle Williams will have a solid year and they have plenty of running backs to lighten the load. It wont be as good as it coukd have been but as lon as crab is back for the playoffs strong we will be fine.

Probably need to get HFA, Seattle is pretty much unbeatable at home.

[AUTiger7222]

Everybody wanting me to do pick em again?

I'm game. Is it against the spread or not? I'm really good picking games straight up. Not so much against the spread. My record picking games is almost always better than any of the ESPN idiots.

[TURBO]

I'm game. Is it against the spread or not? I'm really good picking games straight up. Not so much against the spread. My record picking games is almost always better than any of the ESPN idiots.

No spread. Just picks.

[AUTiger7222]

No spread. Just picks.

Awesome. Then I expect to win! :)

2012 - 183-84 (.685)
2011 - 181-86 (.678)
2010 - 174-93 (.652)
2009 - 170-97 (.637)
2008 - 176-91 (.659)
2007 - 164-103 (.614)
2006 - 153-114 (.573)

[TURBO]

theres a couple qquirks with it, but I will explain in detail in a couple weeks

[thethe]

Probably need to get HFA, Seattle is pretty much unbeatable at home.

I think theyll need 12 wins to get HFA over Seattle. Not sure if they can get there. We'll see.

[Heyward]

I think theyll need 12 wins to get HFA over Seattle. Not sure if they can get there. We'll see.

A lot of their tough games are at home, while the opposite is true with the Seahawks.

[thethe]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1703775-why-colin-kaepernick-is-the-nfls-most-dangerous-qb


Yeah, I know....Bleacher Report

[gilesfan]

****, i went to real football thread and got NFL talk instead.

[thethe]

****, i went to real football thread and got NFL talk instead.

In the right place sir. RG3 looks good so far supposedly. That has to have you psyched. They going ot start him on opening day? Would you?

[gilesfan]

If he's healthy, he will start. If not, he won't.

[Heyward]

If he's healthy, he will start. If not, he won't.

Brilliant insight.

[gilesfan]

Brilliant insight.

what the **** do you want to hear? There is nothing else to add.

[NinersSBChamps]

Pete Carroll is a cheat. I hope his old ass breaks a hip.

[BRule]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1703775-why-colin-kaepernick-is-the-nfls-most-dangerous-qb


Yeah, I know....Bleacher Report

BANHAMMER for linking B/R. I'm emailing SAV to take care of this

[thethe]

BANHAMMER for linking B/R. I'm emailing SAV to take care of this

Hey man...the Sports Science video in there is cool as ****. Kaep is just a freaky athlete.

[zitothebrave]

BANHAMMER for linking B/R. I'm emailing SAV to take care of this

Not just bleacher report but a horribly written article. i've discussed ad nauseum Kaepernick's arm and it's not legendary. He has a great arm, but he's not even the best in the game.

[thethe]

Not just bleacher report but a horribly written article. i've discussed ad nauseum Kaepernick's arm and it's not legendary. He has a great arm, but he's not even the best in the game.

Hard to grade out one arm against the other. But, Phil Sims who is more qualified then you seems to think its right up there with anyone.

Don't you think that Sports Science stuff gives great insight into measureable ability?

[zitothebrave]

It does, Kaeprnick at the combine threw at a velocity of 59 mph, other QBs with the same velocity at the combine, Weeden, Cousins, Bray, Dysert, many others close, and that's obviously excluding the tippy top prospects not throwing (luck, RG3, Scam, etc.)

Kaepernick has great talent, but the exageration is just that, exageration. Maybe he'll finally be the QB of the future the NFL has been wanting for years, or maybe he'll be just like all the rest and leave you wanting some more.

[thethe]

It does, Kaeprnick at the combine threw at a velocity of 59 mph, other QBs with the same velocity at the combine, Weeden, Cousins, Bray, Dysert, many others close, and that's obviously excluding the tippy top prospects not throwing (luck, RG3, Scam, etc.)

Kaepernick has great talent, but the exageration is just that, exageration. Maybe he'll finally be the QB of the future the NFL has been wanting for years, or maybe he'll be just like all the rest and leave you wanting some more.

What about him being clocked at the highest velocity of any QB in 2012? I mean, there is a lot of data that makes Kaep look freakish. Its not just one piece. Thats why people talk like this about him.

Then there is the statistical measures. Small sample size obvoiusly but everything is there. Top 5 DVOA/QBR since he started and the one I like the best is highest percentage completion rate of deep passes. Its just a lot to like but of course he needs to do it for longer.

[Heyward]

Hey man...the Sports Science video in there is cool as ****. Kaep is just a freaky athlete.

Did you see the pic of him on ESPN, naked........

[thethe]

Did you see the pic of him on ESPN, naked........

Every night before I go to bed...:eusa_dance:

[Heyward]

Wilson > Kap?

[thethe]

Wilson > Kap?

I don't think so just because of size. Size does matter with QB's. I think Kaep is also more athletic. But, Wilson has a larger sample to show his ability and did a hell of a job. He is ahead of Kaep right now but I think that will change this year.

[Tapate50]

Very bullish on Wilson this year. Maybe more so than Kap if Im drafting... Both will have their down games when the running game takes over. Our long standing league allows you to play a QB at the OP spot and its a huge advantage. Id really have to consider all the dual threat guys and take the good games with the bad and live with it.

[Tapate50]

Not much reason Matt Ryan doesn't have another big year. SJ out of the backfield will be BIG.

[Heyward]

Every night before I go to bed...:eusa_dance:

I wouldnt doubt it.

[Heyward]

I don't think so just because of size. Size does matter with QB's. I think Kaep is also more athletic. But, Wilson has a larger sample to show his ability and did a hell of a job. He is ahead of Kaep right now but I think that will change this year.

Even without Crabtree for a good chunk of the year?

Seattle's offense is ridiculous, now with Harvin and of course their running game lead by Beast Mode and the other weapons they have.

[thethe]

Not much reason Matt Ryan doesn't have another big year. SJ out of the backfield will be BIG.

Why shouldn't he? He is a really good QB who has the best offensive weapons in the leauge.

[Heyward]

Not much reason Matt Ryan doesn't have another big year. SJ out of the backfield will be BIG.

For sure, the NFC is so stacked.

A lot of good teams will miss the playoffs.

[thethe]

Even without Crabtree for a good chunk of the year?

Seattle's offense is ridiculous, now with Harvin and of course their running game lead by Beast Mode and the other weapons they have.

Crabs was great but he was not the only weapon they have. The thing I'm wondering is how they are going to adjust without Walker. He and Kaep had a nice connection going.

Either way, there are three really good running backs and still a nice collection of pass catchers (Boldin/Davis/Williams) and then hopefully the young guys step up like Jenkins/Patton/McDonald.

[Heyward]

Why shouldn't he? He is a really good QB who has the best offensive weapons in the leauge.

In before Zito says his weapons aren't that good...

[Heyward]

Very bullish on Wilson this year. Maybe more so than Kap if Im drafting... Both will have their down games when the running game takes over. Our long standing league allows you to play a QB at the OP spot and its a huge advantage. Id really have to consider all the dual threat guys and take the good games with the bad and live with it.

Not down on either, but probably Kap a little more b/c of the losses of Walker/Crabtree for who knows how long.

But they do have some younger guys who will get time, so we'll see how good Kap is.

[Bdawg2309]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/conversations/_/id/9481929/cam-newton-carolina-panthers-remains-fan-atlanta-falcons

[GMAJAH25]

Ill say as of right now...

I believe Seattle will win the division and SF will not make the playoffs.

[thethe]

Ill say as of right now...

I believe Seattle will win the division and SF will not make the playoffs.

Don't make the first statement.

You either believe it will happen or not. Don't qualify it with someting else.

[BRule]

Don't make the first statement.

You either believe it will happen or not. Don't qualify it with someting else.

Well....injuries can happen.....so there's nothing wrong with what he said.

I'll take Seattle over SF right now, as well.

[thethe]

Well....injuries can happen.....so there's nothing wrong with what he said.

I'll take Seattle over SF right now, as well.

Aside from the QB's both teams will have to deal with injuries so that doesn't matter. The strength of your football team lies with your stars and depth. Both SF/SEA have that. Althought Seattle is a bunch of cheaters but thats besides the point.

Yes, if either Kaep or Wilson get hurt then I wouldn't expect the teams to do very well.

[BRule]

Aside from the QB's both teams will have to deal with injuries so that doesn't matter. The strength of your football team lies with your stars and depth. Both SF/SEA have that. Althought Seattle is a bunch of cheaters but thats besides the point.

Yes, if either Kaep or Wilson get hurt then I wouldn't expect the teams to do very well.

That's not the point I was making....the reason you preface by saying "As of right now" is because it's as the teams are RIGHT NOW. If Gore, Lynch, whoever breaks their leg tomorrow....that OBVIOUSLY changes things.

[TURBO]

Aside from the QB's both teams will have to deal with injuries so that doesn't matter. The strength of your football team lies with your stars and depth. Both SF/SEA have that. Althought Seattle is a bunch of cheaters but thats besides the point.

Yes, if either Kaep or Wilson get hurt then I wouldn't expect the teams to do very well.

Ceteris paribus

[GMAJAH25]

The point is that its July 16th and training camp hasnt even started yet.

Seattle really had a nice offseason..That defense is exciting as well.

[thethe]

Ceteris paribus

If both teams remain at the same level of health (which of course is not the case now since Crabs is hurt) then the 49ers are the better team.

[thethe]

The point is that its July 16th and training camp hasnt even started yet.

Seattle really had a nice offseason..That defense is exciting as well.

Yes they have...Overall just a great great team. The NFC West is going to be by far the best division in footbal.

[gilesfan]

Its the NFL. It wouldn't shock me if the Rams won the division and all you losers miss the playoffs.

[thethe]

Its the NFL. It wouldn't shock me if the Rams won the division and all you losers miss the playoffs.

Good point. Thats what makes the NFL the best sport in America.

[Julio3000]

Good point. Thats what makes the NFL the best sport in America.

Well, that and the murder.

[Heyward]

If both teams remain at the same level of health (which of course is not the case now since Crabs is hurt) then the 49ers are the better team.

Very, very debateable on that.

[Heyward]

I'd take Seattle just slightly as of now, not that ridiculous of a statement.

I think the loss of Crabtree will hurt more than some believe, as well as other losses like Walker/Goldson/RJF.

[thethe]

I'd take Seattle just slightly as of now, not that ridiculous of a statement.

I think the loss of Crabtree will hurt more than some believe, as well as other losses like Walker/Goldson/RJF.

Every team has gains and losses in an offseason. 49ers replaced those guys with good players.

Also, Seattle lost their defensive coordinator so lets see how much of an impact that has.

[Heyward]

Ill say as of right now...

I believe Seattle will win the division and SF will not make the playoffs.

Seattle definately could win the division.

SF missing the playoffs, anything is possible, Kap would have to regress big-time.

[Heyward]

Every team has gains and losses in an offseason. 49ers replaced those guys with good players.

Also, Seattle lost their defensive coordinator so lets see how much of an impact that has.

Fair point.

And true on the loss of Gus Bradley.

Should be a hell of a division though.

[Heyward]

Taking away QB's, or calling it a wash, is it that crazy to say Seattle could be a better TEAM.

RB- Lynch > Gore, depth-wise, Seattle has Turbin and drafted a RB Christine Michael.

WR- Tate/Rice/Harvin/Baldwin > Boldin/Patton/Jenkins/Williams/Manningham

TE- Edge to SF b/c Davis is a monster.

OL- Slight edge to SF as a unit but Seattle's is really good.

I would give the DL edge to Sea, and LB's to SF, but Seattle's LB core is pretty underrated. Hard to compare though since Sea is a 4-3, and SF runs a 3-4 scheme.

Big edge in the secondary to Seattle, those dudes are absolute monsters, add in Winfield just makes it insanely good.

Don't care too much about FB.

[Heyward]

Its the NFL. It wouldn't shock me if the Rams won the division and all you losers miss the playoffs.

Rams are building a hell of a team.

Even though i think they took Austin too high but that's another story for another day.

[Heyward]

Its the NFL. It wouldn't shock me if the Rams won the division and all you losers miss the playoffs.

Or the Saints could win the South.

[BRule]

Hard to grade out one arm against the other. But, Phil Sims who is more qualified then you seems to think its right up there with anyone.

Don't you think that Sports Science stuff gives great insight into measureable ability?

The same Phil Sims who said Andrew Luck couldn't make NFL throws? That guy?

[zitothebrave]

The same Phil Sims who said Andrew Luck couldn't make NFL throws? That guy?

Haha did he actually say that? Man Sims is a bigger retard than I thought.

[GMAJAH25]

Haha did he actually say that? Man Sims is a bigger retard than I thought.

But man that is one qualified retard..

[thethe]

The same Phil Sims who said Andrew Luck couldn't make NFL throws? That guy?

said he doesnt have nfl top arm strength. I havent watched enough of Luck. Does he?

You should be truthful in the quote. Sims said he couldnt make BIGTIME NFL throws.

[thethe]

Five scouts who have closely watched Luck were asked to discuss him, and they agreed to do so on the condition they not be identified. The overall consensus was the love-fest -- except for one thing.
Scouts maintain Luck's arm strength is a bigger issue than generally known. While he hits touch passes with great accuracy, some throws requiring a lot of power don't always reach their targets.
"It's not a mild concern," said a scout. "It's a little more than that."
Scouts say there are several examples on film of Luck putting a lot of effort into a deep pass

[thethe]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/17407281/enamored-scouts-stretch-for-concerns-about-luck-settle-on-arm-strength

[zitothebrave]

Five scouts who have closely watched Luck were asked to discuss him, and they agreed to do so on the condition they not be identified. The overall consensus was the love-fest -- except for one thing.
Scouts maintain Luck's arm strength is a bigger issue than generally known. While he hits touch passes with great accuracy, some throws requiring a lot of power don't always reach their targets.
"It's not a mild concern," said a scout. "It's a little more than that."
Scouts say there are several examples on film of Luck putting a lot of effort into a deep pass

Just like that bum Matt Ryan right!

When will guys learn that having a cannon isn't important. There's a reason why guys with not spectacular arms but amazing heads (Brees, Brady, Peyton) are almost always in the top of QBs but guys with big arms aren't. Sure you'd love a total package, but if Luck had a spectacular arm, it wouldn't be fair. He'd be like a character created for Madden.

Luck has plenty of arm strength to make every necessary throw and that's what really matters. The best QBs in the NFL don't go deep very often (typically 80% or so of their passes are under 20 yards)

[thethe]

Just like that bum Matt Ryan right!

When will guys learn that having a cannon isn't important. There's a reason why guys with not spectacular arms but amazing heads (Brees, Brady, Peyton) are almost always in the top of QBs but guys with big arms aren't. Sure you'd love a total package, but if Luck had a spectacular arm, it wouldn't be fair. He'd be like a character created for Madden.

Luck has plenty of arm strength to make every necessary throw and that's what really matters. The best QBs in the NFL don't go deep very often (typically 80% or so of their passes are under 20 yards)

Which is fine. I don't disagree with you. I just posted that to ensure proper context into what Sims said. BRules quoting was misleading.

You obviously don't need everything but when you do you are special like Rodgers. I also think Brady's arm strength has been underrated forever. That guy has a cannon. He won't be confused with the top of all time but I don't think its fair to lump him in with Brees/Manning.

[molankuma]

Go Dolphins!

That is all.

:)

[thethe]

Go Dolphins!

That is all.

:)

Meh, maybe you shouldn't post more!

[molankuma]

Meh, maybe you shouldn't post more!

Haha. I'm a dolphins fan (grew up a fan of them, just like grew up a fan of the braves) living in Indianapolis. Week 2 will be interesting for me when the Dolphins visit the Colts (gonna go to that game with family).

[The Chosen One]

Just like that bum Matt Ryan right!

When will guys learn that having a cannon isn't important. There's a reason why guys with not spectacular arms but amazing heads (Brees, Brady, Peyton) are almost always in the top of QBs but guys with big arms aren't. Sure you'd love a total package, but if Luck had a spectacular arm, it wouldn't be fair. He'd be like a character created for Madden.

Luck has plenty of arm strength to make every necessary throw and that's what really matters. The best QBs in the NFL don't go deep very often (typically 80% or so of their passes are under 20 yards)

Brady and Peyton can gun it in a tight spot if they need to.

They also have two of the prettiest deep balls ever (Peyton's lack of spiral is what people laugh about).

As for Brees, he may not have hte most arm strength, but his accuracy is uncanny.

[thethe]

Haha. I'm a dolphins fan (grew up a fan of them, just like grew up a fan of the braves) living in Indianapolis. Week 2 will be interesting for me when the Dolphins visit the Colts (gonna go to that game with family).

Thats awesome. Football is such a great sport. You have a lot to be excited about this year. I think Tannehill has all the physical tools to become a top QB. Not sure where his head is at but the two games I saw last year I was impressed. That should be a great game.

[Heyward]

Luck has a ****ing cannon, whoever said he doesn't have a strong arm needs to get their head checked.

[Heyward]

Saw on twitter world some people saying Ryan's new deal will be around 18-22 million a year, maybe will trump Flacco's deal.

Just ridiculous some of the contracts QB's are getting now.

[Heyward]

Which is fine. I don't disagree with you. I just posted that to ensure proper context into what Sims said. BRules quoting was misleading.

You obviously don't need everything but when you do you are special like Rodgers. I also think Brady's arm strength has been underrated forever. That guy has a cannon. He won't be confused with the top of all time but I don't think its fair to lump him in with Brees/Manning.

I agree on Brady's arm strength, but...

Peyton has never had elite arm strength but when he needs to, he can fit it in a tight window when he needs too and pump it up.

Same with Brees, but both of them have absolutely insane accuracy, some of the throws they make are insane. Brees arm strength is a little underrated though, above average imo.

[thethe]

Luck has a ****ing cannon, whoever said he doesn't have a strong arm needs to get their head checked.

Well there were plenty of scouts around draft time that said he didn't have elite arm strength and thats all Simms was saying.

[Heyward]

Thats awesome. Football is such a great sport. You have a lot to be excited about this year. I think Tannehill has all the physical tools to become a top QB. Not sure where his head is at but the two games I saw last year I was impressed. That should be a great game.

Would be nice if they unseated the Cheaters, but unlikely.

[Heyward]

Well there were plenty of scouts around draft time that said he didn't have elite arm strength and thats all Simms was saying.

Well, depends what your meaning of elite arm strength is.

I'd say Stafford/Flacco/Rodgers have elite-level arm strength.

Luck has a very strong arm, certainly not weak or a noodle arm.

[thethe]

Well, depends what your meaning of elite arm strength is.

I'd say Stafford/Flacco/Rodgers have elite-level arm strength.

Luck has a very strong arm, certainly not weak or a noodle arm.

Nobody ever said he had a weak arm.

[BRule]

“But the one thing I don’t see, I just don’t see big time NFL throws. I don’t care what anybody says. I’ve watched a lot of him. He never takes it and rips it in there. And you can say what you want but, man, you’ve got to be able to crease that ball every once in a while. We see it every week in these games. Hey, he can develop it but even in the USC game, you know, he’s very careful with it, guides it a lot, Rich. That’s what I see. There’s not a lot of rotation on the ball and there’s not a tremendous amount of power. Not that you need to have that power arm. I’m not saying you’ve got to have that exclusively but, man, it sure helps when you can do that because there’s four or five plays a game it is about arm strength. And sometimes quarterbacks who don’t have it, they pass those plays up. Why? Well, they go, ‘I don’t know if I can make that throw,’ so they throw it short. That’s why I’m a little more reserved in my judgment than everybody else.”

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY LULZ

[thethe]

“But the one thing I don’t see, I just don’t see big time NFL throws. I don’t care what anybody says. I’ve watched a lot of him. He never takes it and rips it in there. And you can say what you want but, man, you’ve got to be able to crease that ball every once in a while. We see it every week in these games. Hey, he can develop it but even in the USC game, you know, he’s very careful with it, guides it a lot, Rich. That’s what I see. There’s not a lot of rotation on the ball and there’s not a tremendous amount of power. Not that you need to have that power arm. I’m not saying you’ve got to have that exclusively but, man, it sure helps when you can do that because there’s four or five plays a game it is about arm strength. And sometimes quarterbacks who don’t have it, they pass those plays up. Why? Well, they go, ‘I don’t know if I can make that throw,’ so they throw it short. That’s why I’m a little more reserved in my judgment than everybody else.”

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANY LULZ

Where is weak arm in there? You don't think I read that quote this morning after your post?

[BRule]

LULZ

[thethe]

LULZ

Nice comeback. There is nowhere in there that says he thought Luck had a weak arm. All he said was that he doesn't think he has the elite level arm strength to make TOUGH NFL throws. But keep looing foolish. You often do when you get into arguments with me.

[TURBO]

Nice comeback. There is nowhere in there that says he thought Luck had a weak arm. All he said was that he doesn't think he has the elite level arm strength to make TOUGH NFL throws. But keep looing foolish. You often do when you get into arguments with me.

Careful he may comeback with Lulz or bahwhwhwhaha or whatever. Hes good at those.

[thethe]

Careful he may comeback with Lulz or bahwhwhwhaha or whatever. Hes good at those.

He does that when he knows he is wrong.

[BRule]

So you read that and you thought Sims was implying he had a strong arm? Because he basically took a dump all over Luck and his arm.

[thethe]

So you read that and you thought Sims was implying he had a strong arm? Because he basically took a dump all over Luck and his arm.

Simms specifically mentioned he couldn't make the tough NFL throws. Everybody in the NFL has a strong arm. Well besdies Matt Ryan. The differentiation are the ones with the elite arm strengths. The guys like Stafford/Flacco/Rodgers/Kaep/Tannehill/etc....

What I am wondering is why in your original post where you quote Simms did you leave out the word "tough".

[NinersSBChamps]

Well....injuries can happen.....so there's nothing wrong with what he said.

I'll take Seattle over SF right now, as well.

Same here. They are a much better than the 49ers. Crabtree missing the entire season is going to hurt them considering the 49ers have one viable option at receiver.

[BRule]

Simms specifically mentioned he couldn't make the tough NFL throws. Everybody in the NFL has a strong arm. Well besdies Matt Ryan. The differentiation are the ones with the elite arm strengths. The guys like Stafford/Flacco/Rodgers/Kaep/Tannehill/etc....

What I am wondering is why in your original post where you quote Simms did you leave out the word "tough".

First off I didn't quote anyone....did I use quotes?

I'm not arguing with you about this over and over, Sims kills Luck and his ability to make an NFL throw and the way he throws the football.

[thethe]

First off I didn't quote anyone....did I use quotes?

I'm not arguing with you about this over and over, Sims kills Luck and his ability to make an NFL throw and the way he throws the football.

Please, you completely misrepresented what Simms said and you know it.

Saying someone can't make TOUGH NFL throws and someone who can't make NFL throws are two completely different things. Nice try. And now you will bow out of the conversation because you know you are wrong.

[thethe]

Same here. They are a much better than the 49ers. Crabtree missing the entire season is going to hurt them considering the 49ers have one viable option at receiver.

Crabs is scheduled back by week 10. That could change but he is playing this year. Hopefully he is healthy come playoff time.

[thethe]

The same Phil Sims who said Andrew Luck couldn't make NFL throws? That guy?

This is what Simms said?

[BRule]

Please, you completely misrepresented what Simms said and you know it.

Saying someone can't make TOUGH NFL throws and someone who can't make NFL throws are two completely different things. Nice try. And now you will bow out of the conversation because you know you are wrong.

If I did....how come I'm not the only person to kill Sims for it? If you read that paragraph and came away with that....then I have nothing else to say to you.

[Heyward]

He does that when he knows he is wrong.

Which is often.

[GMAJAH25]

Chances Crabtree's injury will be used as an excuse at some point this season?

Chances after Crabtree returns.. the term "rusty" will be used at some point directly related to Colin Kaepernick.

Chances Kyle Williams and Kendall Hunter's injuries get thrown into the defense?

[BRule]

Which is often.

"Chris Bosh is the Heats MVP" - Heyward

[NinersSBChamps]

Crabs is scheduled back by week 10. That could change but he is playing this year. Hopefully he is healthy come playoff time.

He completely tore his Achilles. He will be lucky to be back at the end of the regular season and it's doubtful that he even plays at a quarter of what he's capable of. He could return week 15 let's say, but it will take a few weeks to get him into game speed. Don't hold your breathe. Honestly this could be a very long and painful season. I am preparing for the worst.

[NinersSBChamps]

Chances Crabtree's injury will be used as an excuse at some point this season?

Chances after Crabtree returns.. the term "rusty" will be used at some point directly related to Colin Kaepernick.

Chances Kyle Williams and Kendall Hunter's injuries get thrown into the defense?

You serious? I'd say losing your best receiver for what looks like all season is a viable excuse. Not too mention the second and third receivers from last year are recovering from injuries themselves. (Manningham and Williams) Lastly our back up running back is also coming off a season ending injury. You can't name a team that has this many injury related question marks at the skill positions.

[GMAJAH25]

Hmm..umm..Dallas?

[NinersSBChamps]

Hmm..umm..Dallas?

Go on. That is a strong argument. :roll::roll:

[GMAJAH25]

Obviously you would make a statement such as this "You can't name a team that has this many injury related question marks at the skill positions"

Considering you cant make the connection when Dallas is referenced.

You named a "number 1" in an underutilized Wide Receiver core. A backup running back...and like a 4th/5th WR?

Starting safety Barry Church coming off torn Achilles.
Starting ILBs
Sean Lee coming off IR with turf toe
Bruce Carter IR Elbow surgery
Ware Elbow/shoulder surgery
Starting RB Murray back to back injured season ankle then foot now hammy
Dez Bryant ankle then thigh then permanently damaged finger
Miles Austin continued hammy injuries
Witten Spleen
Romo had minor back surgery but whatever...more important than Kyle Williams
New backup RB hand surgery

[NinersSBChamps]

Obviously you would make a statement such as this "You can't name a team that has this many injury related question marks at the skill positions"

Considering you cant make the connection when Dallas is referenced.

You named a "number 1" in an underutilized Wide Receiver core. A backup running back...and like a 4th/5th WR?

Starting safety Barry Church coming off torn Achilles.
Starting ILBs
Sean Lee coming off IR with turf toe
Bruce Carter IR Elbow surgery
Ware Elbow/shoulder surgery
Starting RB Murray back to back injured season ankle then foot now hammy
Dez Bryant ankle then thigh then permanently damaged finger
Miles Austin continued hammy injuries
Witten Spleen
Romo had minor back surgery but whatever...more important than Kyle Williams
New backup RB hand surgery

And these guys played games for the Cowboys. There is a huge difference between missing a few weeks and missing 6-8 weeks or an entire season.

[GMAJAH25]

Murray missed 6 games down the stretch
Church missed the final 13 games
Sean Lee missed the final 10 games
Bruce Carter missed the last 5 games

Witten played through a lacerated spleen
Bryant through a broken and now permanently injured finger
Austin limped through the season in an out of the lineup after missing 6 games the prior year.

Those guys seem pretty important.

But not as important as Hunter, Williams, and Crabtree

[Heyward]

Crabtree, i'll give you, the others are backups and not a huge deal.

Those happen to every team.

[Heyward]

You serious? I'd say losing your best receiver for what looks like all season is a viable excuse. Not too mention the second and third receivers from last year are recovering from injuries themselves. (Manningham and Williams) Lastly our back up running back is also coming off a season ending injury. You can't name a team that has this many injury related question marks at the skill positions.

Crabtree is a massive loss, no way to sugarcoat it, i agree achillies injuries are a ***** to come back from.

LaMichael James filled in more than fine.

Not like Manningham/Williams are Jerry Rice/Calvin Johnson.

[AUTiger7222]

Simms specifically mentioned he couldn't make the tough NFL throws. Everybody in the NFL has a strong arm. Well besdies Matt Ryan. The differentiation are the ones with the elite arm strengths. The guys like Stafford/Flacco/Rodgers/Kaep/Tannehill/etc....

What I am wondering is why in your original post where you quote Simms did you leave out the word "tough".

Matt Ryan doesn't have a strong arm? Wow. SMH.

[NinersSBChamps]

Crabtree is a massive loss, no way to sugarcoat it, i agree achillies injuries are a ***** to come back from.

LaMichael James filled in more than fine.
Not like Manningham/Williams are Jerry Rice/Calvin Johnson.

Not saying they are. However they are important pieces to a team with a weak wide receiving core.

[Heyward]

And these guys played games for the Cowboys. There is a huge difference between missing a few weeks and missing 6-8 weeks or an entire season.

SF lost 3 players.

Still had your entire defense for the most part intact healthy, entire OL, Frank Gore, VD, Kap, and others playing.

But a backup WR, backup RB is why the Niners are doomed this year, smh.

[zitothebrave]

Matt Ryan doesn't have a strong arm? Wow. SMH.

thethe is just trolling me.

[Heyward]

Matt Ryan doesn't have a strong arm? Wow. SMH.

Well, it's not Chad Pennington bad, but not a rocket either, so somewhat true in a sense.

[Heyward]

Not saying they are. However they are important pieces to a team with a weak wide receiving core.

Well, if Kap is as good as thethe and others think he is, he should be able to make due with below average WR's.

[zitothebrave]

Well, if Kap is as good as thethe and others think he is, he should be able to make due with below average WR's.

Not at all, every QB needs stud receivers, look at those studs Tom Brady had all career. Lol

[GMAJAH25]

Well, if Kap is as good as thethe and others think he is, he should be able to make due with below average WR's.

Well if he does it will be because of his greatness. If he doesnt...its not his fault.

Story of the 2013 season...here we go!

[zitothebrave]

Well if he does it will be because of his greatness. If he doesnt...its not his fault.

Story of the 2013 season...here we go!

Thethe is one of the most interesting internet posters out there. He's like exactly what you imagine an internet poster to be.

[Heyward]

Jaws doing his QB rankings heading into the year.

His Top 5 in no order is...

Rodgers.
PManning
Brady
Ryan
Flacco

How Brees isn't Top 5, i have no idea.

He's one of the 3 QB's in the league you can plug on any team and they can contend for a SB, can't say that about anyone else not named PManning, Rodgers, or Brady.

[GMAJAH25]

Jaws doing his QB rankings heading into the year.

How Brees isn't Top 5, i have no idea.

He's one of the 3 QB's in the league you can plug on any team and they can contend for a SB, can't say that about anyone else not named PManning, Rodgers, or Brady.

I dont remember all those SBs he won in San Diego...or even contended for.

I believe he was left out because he is a system QB...therefore he is suck.

[zitothebrave]

Jaws doing his QB rankings heading into the year.

His Top 5 in no order is...

Rodgers.
PManning
Brady
Ryan
Flacco

How Brees isn't Top 5, i have no idea.

He's one of the 3 QB's in the league you can plug on any team and they can contend for a SB, can't say that about anyone else not named PManning, Rodgers, or Brady.

Should be

Rodgers
Brady
Peyton
Brees
Ryan/Romo (pick one, I take Ryan cause of age)

[zitothebrave]

I dont remember all those SBs he won in San Diego...or even contended for.

I believe he was left out because he is a system QB...therefore he is suck.

I miss your creepy Brees shower avatar. Almost as much as the creepy kid Giles thought was Heyward.

[Heyward]

Well if he does it will be because of his greatness. If he doesnt...its not his fault.

Story of the 2013 season...here we go!

lol pretty much.

[Heyward]

I dont remember all those SBs he won in San Diego...or even contended for.

I believe he was left out because he is a system QB...therefore he is suck.

We'll never know what would of happened if SD kept Brees, and dumped Rivers.

As for your last part, every QB is technically a system QB.

[GMAJAH25]

http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01287778a9fa970c-250wi

[GMAJAH25]

We'll never know what would of happened if SD kept Brees, and dumped Rivers.

As for your last part, every QB is technically a system QB.

Singular system QB

[Heyward]

Should be

Rodgers
Brady
Peyton
Brees
Ryan/Romo (pick one, I take Ryan cause of age)

I'd go the same, but have Big Ben.......

[NinersSBChamps]

SF lost 3 players.

Still had your entire defense for the most part intact healthy, entire OL, Frank Gore, VD, Kap, and others playing.

But a backup WR, backup RB is why the Niners are doomed this year, smh.

I didn't say they are doomed. However missing out on the playoffs could happen and I am reserved to that. Windows in the NFL aren't open for very long and the 49ers aren't any different. Seattle is head and shoulders better than this 49ers team with all the question marks at receiver.

[zitothebrave]

http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01287778a9fa970c-250wi

You got a thanks and a rep. That **** is gold.

[GMAJAH25]

I'd go the same, but have Big Ben.......

...in the bathroom forcing a pass? http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/378/646/BigBen_display_image.jpg?1283710598

[zitothebrave]

I'd go the same, but have Big Ben.......

Rapelisberger used to be great, but he's going on the other side of 30 and there are health questions with him.

[Heyward]

http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01287778a9fa970c-250wi

Brees>>>>

[Heyward]

I didn't say they are doomed. However missing out on the playoffs could happen and I am reserved to that. Windows in the NFL aren't open for very long and the 49ers aren't any different. Seattle is head and shoulders better than this 49ers team with all the question marks at receiver.

The only reason i won't completely bash you on the miss playoffs part is because the NFC is so stacked. I wouldn't bet on it, but nothing surprises me in sports anymore.

There are like 8-10 teams who SHOULD make the playoffs from the NFC, but obviously that won't happen.

As far as the Niners "window", eh, i agree teams have windows to win and you gotta take advantage of it. But not like the Niners are old, a lot of their players are entering it's prime or at the peak so they got time.

I disagree Seattle is head and shoulders better but Seattle has one hell of a squad, and if they get HFA, it's gonna be tough for anyone else to make it out of the NFC. They are pretty much unstoppable/unbeatable at home. Niners are better at certain areas, vice versa with Seattle.

Boldin/Williams/Manningham/Jenkins/Patton isn't atrocious, we'll see how good Kap really is though. And still have a top-3 TE in Davis and a great OL/running game.

[zitothebrave]

NFC doesn't really have a weak team. They have 4 teams who should be elite - Niners, Seachickens, Packers, and Falcons, Then a slew of teams who should be in the playoff mix, Rams, Saints, Panthers, Vikings, Bears, Lions, Redskins, Cowboys, and Giants. Even the teams left off could surprise, If the Eagles get a healthy season out of Vick who knows, if the Bucs luck into a ton of wins who knows, if the Cardinals get miracle production from Palmer, who knows. I don't think there's truly a can of corn team on paper in the NFC. Eagles are the weakest and who knows with them. Injuries will be the great equalizer in the end.

[Heyward]

Rapelisberger used to be great, but he's going on the other side of 30 and there are health questions with him.

Prior to getting hurt, he was having arguably his best season yet, soooooooo...

I do agree i don't see him aging well however.

[Heyward]

NFC doesn't really have a weak team. They have 4 teams who should be elite - Niners, Seachickens, Packers, and Falcons, Then a slew of teams who should be in the playoff mix, Rams, Saints, Panthers, Vikings, Bears, Lions, Redskins, Cowboys, and Giants. Even the teams left off could surprise, If the Eagles get a healthy season out of Vick who knows, if the Bucs luck into a ton of wins who knows, if the Cardinals get miracle production from Palmer, who knows. I don't think there's truly a can of corn team on paper in the NFC. Eagles are the weakest and who knows with them. Injuries will be the great equalizer in the end.

Pretty much, but technically 5 since a division winner from the East.

And i'd say Cardinals are the worst, but i like some of the moves they made.

Eagles still have some nice pieces in place.

[zitothebrave]

Prior to getting hurt, he was having arguably his best season yet, soooooooo...

I do agree i don't see him aging well however.

2010 was his best season. He had like 65 less yards than in 2012 but on like 50 less attempts. But his 30 year old season by the rate stats wasn't as good as Ryan's 27 year old season. So I have to give the edge to the guy who's 3 years younger and looked much better most of last season.

[thethe]

2010 was his best season. He had like 65 less yards than in 2012 but on like 50 less attempts. But his 30 year old season by the rate stats wasn't as good as Ryan's 27 year old season. So I have to give the edge to the guy who's 3 years younger and looked much better most of last season.

I Know someone who had better rate stats than Ryan last year and was even younger!

[AUTiger7222]

Well, it's not Chad Pennington bad, but not a rocket either, so somewhat true in a sense.

It's plenty strong enough to get the job done. Who cares that it's not in the Aaron Rodgers/Matthew Stafford/Joe Flacco, ect. class? It's in the Peyton Manning/Drew Brees ect. class and that's plenty strong enough.

[AUTiger7222]

This really has nothing to do with nothing but I posted it on another board and felt like posting it here. Basically I was trying to make the point that WR's are just as important as the QB in which one benefits more from the other.

People talk about what Brady has done with nobody to throw the ball to but it wasn't until he got Randy Moss in 2007 that he started putting up all world numbers and since then he's always had a 1 or 2 stud players to throw the ball to. Go back and look at Brady's numbers pre 2007. They were ok but nothing special.

2001 - 264/413 (63.9%), 2843 YDS (6.9), 18 TD, 12 INT - 86.5 QB Rating
2002 - 373/601 (62.1%), 3764 YDS (6.3), 28 TD, 14 INT - 85.7 QB Rating
2003 - 317/527 (60.2%), 3620 YDS (6.7), 23 TD, 12 INT - 85.9 QB Rating
2004 - 288/474 (60.8%), 3692 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 14 INT - 92.6 QB Rating
2005 - 334/530 (63.0%), 4110 YDS (7.8), 26 TD, 14 INT - 92.3 QB Rating
2006 - 319/516 (61.8%), 3529 YDS (6.7), 24 TD, 12 INT - 87.9 QB Rating

Now look at 2007 with an elite weapon like Randy Moss

2007 - 398/578 (68.9%), 4806 YDS (9.4), 50 TD, 8 INT - 117.2 QB Rating

You can't tell me Randy Moss wasn't the reason Tom Brady went from good QB to elite QB. Even with Randy Moss still around Brady's numbers came back down to earth in 2009.

2009 - 371/565 (65.7%), 4398 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 13 INT - 96.2 QB Rating

Since 2010 Brady has put up elite numbers and that was the first year he had Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski and Wes Welker all together.

[thethe]

This really has nothing to do with nothing but I posted it on another board and felt like posting it here. Basically I was trying to make the point that WR's are just as important as the QB in which one benefits more from the other.

People talk about what Brady has done with nobody to throw the ball to but it wasn't until he got Randy Moss in 2007 that he started putting up all world numbers and since then he's always had a 1 or 2 stud players to throw the ball to. Go back and look at Brady's numbers pre 2007. They were ok but nothing special.

2001 - 264/413 (63.9%), 2843 YDS (6.9), 18 TD, 12 INT - 86.5 QB Rating
2002 - 373/601 (62.1%), 3764 YDS (6.3), 28 TD, 14 INT - 85.7 QB Rating
2003 - 317/527 (60.2%), 3620 YDS (6.7), 23 TD, 12 INT - 85.9 QB Rating
2004 - 288/474 (60.8%), 3692 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 14 INT - 92.6 QB Rating
2005 - 334/530 (63.0%), 4110 YDS (7.8), 26 TD, 14 INT - 92.3 QB Rating
2006 - 319/516 (61.8%), 3529 YDS (6.7), 24 TD, 12 INT - 87.9 QB Rating

Now look at 2007 with an elite weapon like Randy Moss

2007 - 398/578 (68.9%), 4806 YDS (9.4), 50 TD, 8 INT - 117.2 QB Rating

You can't tell me Randy Moss wasn't the reason Tom Brady went from good QB to elite QB. Even with Randy Moss still around Brady's numbers came back down to earth in 2009.

2009 - 371/565 (65.7%), 4398 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 13 INT - 96.2 QB Rating

Since 2010 Brady has put up elite numbers and that was the first year he had Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski and Wes Welker all together.

There is the rare receiver though That falls under that mode. Obviously MOss in his prime is that. Calvin is that. Julio is that. AJ Green is that. I think Crabtree was getting there.

But for the most part its the QB that makes the wide receivers. You have to put the ball on the receiver in a good spot in most situations and guys like Brady do that consistently.

[zitothebrave]

I Know someone who had better rate stats than Ryan last year and was even younger!

And played a total of half a season in a gimmick offense.

They took the field in the post season and Ryan was the better QB, posting better passing stats against 2 of the 3 best defenses in the NFL while Kaepernick played a miserable one and 2 average ones.

[zitothebrave]

This really has nothing to do with nothing but I posted it on another board and felt like posting it here. Basically I was trying to make the point that WR's are just as important as the QB in which one benefits more from the other.

People talk about what Brady has done with nobody to throw the ball to but it wasn't until he got Randy Moss in 2007 that he started putting up all world numbers and since then he's always had a 1 or 2 stud players to throw the ball to. Go back and look at Brady's numbers pre 2007. They were ok but nothing special.

2001 - 264/413 (63.9%), 2843 YDS (6.9), 18 TD, 12 INT - 86.5 QB Rating
2002 - 373/601 (62.1%), 3764 YDS (6.3), 28 TD, 14 INT - 85.7 QB Rating
2003 - 317/527 (60.2%), 3620 YDS (6.7), 23 TD, 12 INT - 85.9 QB Rating
2004 - 288/474 (60.8%), 3692 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 14 INT - 92.6 QB Rating
2005 - 334/530 (63.0%), 4110 YDS (7.8), 26 TD, 14 INT - 92.3 QB Rating
2006 - 319/516 (61.8%), 3529 YDS (6.7), 24 TD, 12 INT - 87.9 QB Rating

Now look at 2007 with an elite weapon like Randy Moss

2007 - 398/578 (68.9%), 4806 YDS (9.4), 50 TD, 8 INT - 117.2 QB Rating

You can't tell me Randy Moss wasn't the reason Tom Brady went from good QB to elite QB. Even with Randy Moss still around Brady's numbers came back down to earth in 2009.

2009 - 371/565 (65.7%), 4398 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 13 INT - 96.2 QB Rating

Since 2010 Brady has put up elite numbers and that was the first year he had Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski and Wes Welker all together.

You have to remember QB stats looked much different back then. Also you honestly don't know how much of Gronk and Welker's success was the system they were in which is essentially Brady's system. Welker did dick for the Phins. He'll probably be fine in Denver since Peyton is amazing though.

2004-2006 Brady was one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL with no weapons. Obviously he's much better with weapons, everyone is much better with weapons, but you cannot deny his greatness.

[thethe]

And played a total of half a season in a gimmick offense.

They took the field in the post season and Ryan was the better QB, posting better passing stats against 2 of the 3 best defenses in the NFL while Kaepernick played a miserable one and 2 average ones.

This year is going to be a fun year. It would have been horrible on scout because everything would have been censured. I can't wait till you admit how good Kaep is!

And, if you payed attention, the 49ers defense was horrible after the Smith's got hurt.

[zitothebrave]

This year is going to be a fun year. It would have been horrible on scout because everything would have been censured. I can't wait till you admit how good Kaep is!

And, if you payed attention, the 49ers defense was horrible after the Smith's got hurt.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The same 49ers D that held Aaron ROdgers playing from behind to 250 yards.

You can admit it that Ryan shredded your vaunted defense, he did it against the Seachickens as well. though not to the same degree (wasn't as necessary)

[thethe]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The same 49ers D that held Aaron ROdgers playing from behind to 250 yards.

You can admit it that Ryan shredded your vaunted defense, he did it against the Seachickens as well. though not to the same degree (wasn't as necessary)

Clueless as usual. Go lookat the precipitous decline in the 49ers defense once Justin went down.

[zitothebrave]

Go look at holding Aaron Rodgers the best in the game to 250 yards.

Also I'm not sure if the Niners D decline had to do with losing Smith, or actually playing better teams.

With Smith they still got shredded up by the Giants and Vikings, they also let Rodgers throw for more yards in Week 1.

Smith tore his triceps against the Pats which was the biggest whooping their D took, but the Pats were the best offense in the NFL, second best at worst

After that game they played the Seachickens and the Cardinals. Cardinals threw for less yards than their first outing and the Seachickens game was at home so I wouldn't use them as an example.

So basically without a healthy Justin Smith, the Packers and Cardinals passed for less yards, and the Seachickens at home passed for like 60 more yards. I know he had an effect when he got hurt, but Ryan threw for 477 yards against them the week after Rodgers threw for 250. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[zitothebrave]

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/GTY_173774809-1024x682.jpg


BUAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA

That **** is to tacky even the cast of the Jersey Shore wouldn't wear it.

[Heyward]

- I think Gronk would be a beast with any QB, dudes a monster.

- Somewhat the same with Welker.

- I agree somewhat on WR's, but QB's for the most part make them, doesn't matter if you can't get the ball to them, on time, on the money, etc. It does help having the physical monsters like Calvin/Green/Julio, etc.

- Niners D wasn't horrible, not the same, but horrible? Saints D was horrible, arguably the worst of all-time, i'd say it wasn't as good as it was with a healthy Smith which was the best D in the league imo.

- Regards to Kap, already said i need to see more, and wonder how he'll do minus Crab for a good chunk of the year, possibly even all year, never know how achillies injuries can be. But i'm sure if he regresses, you'll make an excuse he doesn't have Crabtree, but if he does well, we won't hear the end of it i'm sure.

[Heyward]

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/GTY_173774809-1024x682.jpg


BUAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA

That **** is to tacky even the cast of the Jersey Shore wouldn't wear it.

At least he had some clothes on this time.

[AUTiger7222]

You have to remember QB stats looked much different back then. Also you honestly don't know how much of Gronk and Welker's success was the system they were in which is essentially Brady's system. Welker did dick for the Phins. He'll probably be fine in Denver since Peyton is amazing though.

2004-2006 Brady was one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL with no weapons. Obviously he's much better with weapons, everyone is much better with weapons, but you cannot deny his greatness.

Wes Welker was never given a chance to do anything with the Dolphins. Sure he benefited greatly from playing with Brady. But look at those numbers again. They were not elite numbers.

2004
Touchdowns - 28 (6th) - Behind Jake Delhomme
Completions - Not In Top 10
Attempts - Not In Top 10
Passing Yards - 3692 (10th) - Behind guys such as Aaron Brooks, Jake Delhomme, Marc Bulger and Jake Plummer
Passing Yards Per Game - Not In Top 10
Yards Per Attempt - 7.8 (T-8th)
QB Rating - 92.6 (9th)
Game Winning Drives - 15 QB's listed with 3 or more and no Brady
Comebacks - 15 QB's listed with 2 or more and no Brady

2005, 2006 - Yes. No denying that Brady was top 5 best QB's in the NFL.

I myself didn't realize how much passing numbers had jumped in the last 10 years. I knew in the last 15 years. I didn't know that Peyton Manning was the only QB in 2006 to throw for 30 TD passes and he had just 31 that year. That Brady's 24 were tied for 4th most.

[AUTiger7222]

Clueless as usual. Go lookat the precipitous decline in the 49ers defense once Justin went down.

You just can't admit that Matt Ryan shredded your defense and did much better than Rodgers did the week before.

[gilesfan]

You just can't admit that Matt Ryan shredded your defense and did much better than Rodgers did the week before.

Its a shame Kaperdouche still garnered higher statistical measures than Ryan in that game.

[Tapate50]

Its a shame Kaperdouche still garnered higher statistical measures than Ryan in that game.

On this sir, there is no debate. Well said.

[AUTiger7222]

Its a shame Kaperdouche still garnered higher statistical measures than Ryan in that game.

Ok. Whatever.