the Pope knows there is a problem and knows change has to happen, when will R's....

[goldfly]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11825119_10154131095397908_8389475584381208064_n.p ng?oh=c819a58aae79d37e4ae2bf9dce792620&oe=5644E08E

[sturg33]

Is your suggestion that our government should be making policy based on the wishes of the Pope?

[goldfly]

Is your suggestion that our government should be making policy based on the wishes of the Pope?

are you really not that bright?

how did you come to the conclusion?

the suggestion is to listen to scientists and actually do something. the pope saw it and spoke, i am curious when R's will do the same

[sturg33]

are you really not that bright?

how did you come to the conclusion?

the suggestion is to listen to scientists and actually do something. the pope saw it and spoke, i am curious when R's will do the same

I just don't understand why you're invoking the opinion of the Pope - unless you think the government should take his advice on all issues? I don't see the relevance of the Pope's opinion. Perhaps you can help me understand

[goldfly]

I just don't understand why you're invoking the opinion of the Pope - unless you think the government should take his advice on all issues? I don't see the relevance of the Pope's opinion. Perhaps you can help me understand
i'm tying a religious leaders view to the ask a question to the republican party members

if you don't understand why i would do such a thing, not really sure what to tell you since it seems you are blind to the religious leanings of that party

[sturg33]

i'm tying a religious leaders view to the ask a question to the republican party members

if you don't understand why i would do such a thing, not really sure what to tell you since it seems you are blind to the religious leanings of that party

that's an interesting take on my position

[goldfly]

that's an interesting take on my position

you had a position in all of that?

[sturg33]

you had a position in all of that?

I was responding to...


since it seems you are blind to the religious leanings of that party

I happen to disagree with you the republican (or democratic) party should take their mandates on policy from the Pope. To each their own

[goldfly]

I happen to disagree with you the republican (or democratic) party should take their mandates on policy from the Pope. To each their own


:facepalm:

[sturg33]

the Pope knows there is a problem and knows change has to happen, when will R's....

So what's your point? Are you going to start a thread anytime someone agrees about climate change?

[goldfly]

So what's your point? Are you going to start a thread anytime someone agrees about climate change?

you quoted post 5 and then still typed post 8

i am guessing you are just trolling now so enjoy

[sturg33]

you quoted post 5 and then still typed post 8

i am guessing you are just trolling now so enjoy

Please keep me posted on what the Pope thinks so that we can get our politicians following suit

[goldfly]

Please keep me posted on what the Pope thinks so that we can get our politicians following suit

good to know you are trolling

[The Chosen One]

The point he was Makin sturg is the R's have fought a public battle over warming saying the science is not settled or they don't need to trust scientists. Or that they take orders from god. Well here is a hugely influential religious leader whom was also a scientist as well that says we need to take action. If religious conservatives still can't take someone as religiously influential as the Pope seriously then they won't ever unless god shouts from the heavens to do so (which you and I know will never happen).

[msstate7]

The point he was Makin sturg is the R's have fought a public battle over warming saying the science is not settled or they don't need to trust scientists. Or that they take orders from god. Well here is a hugely influential religious leader whom was also a scientist as well that says we need to take action. If religious conservatives still can't take someone as religiously influential as the Pope seriously then they won't ever unless god shouts from the heavens to do so (which you and I know will never happen).

If scientists say that babies aren't constructed in the womb, but developed, would libs abort abortion?

[goldfly]

If scientists say that babies aren't constructed in the womb, but developed, would libs abort abortion?

post 15 in a climate change thread and abortion gets mentioned

nice

[The Chosen One]

If scientists say that babies aren't constructed in the womb, but developed, would libs abort abortion?

I personally am in favor of abortion more because of population control. We're lucky to not have a huge population as China or India where resources will be scarce soon.

And I am not a religious person and haven't been one for a decade now.

[msstate7]

I personally am in favor of abortion more because of population control. We're lucky to not have a huge population as China or India where resources will be scarce soon.

And I am not a religious person and haven't been one for a decade now.

I was just wondering if scientists' opinions should be the final opinion on all issues.

Didn't scientists in the 70s predict a new ice age?

[57Brave]

When over 90% agree can pretty much bank it

[msstate7]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/08/climate-change-the-hoax-that-costs-us-4-billion-a-day/

[zitothebrave]

"Alex Epstein" is an American author, energy theorist and industrial policy expert

Dude's made a career on being a bull**** artist.

From 1998 to 2002, Epstein earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Philosophy from Duke University, where for two years he was the editor and publisher of The Duke Review[9] and where he also studied computer science.[8]


Sounds like really good guy to cite as a source against Global Warming,

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

We're gonna consider the opinion of a Duke Philosophy major who makes money denying climate change, vs NASA,

Anyone who doesn't believe in global warming is just plain old wrong. You can argue what's the right course of action, but seriously, denying it is just ignorant.

[thethe]

The world needs to change the way they think about many things. We are in an awful place right now as a people. If drastic changes in life philosophy are not made soon I fear for the future.

[57Brave]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/08/climate-change-the-hoax-that-costs-us-4-billion-a-day/

you confuse partison politics with science

[sturg33]

you confuse partison politics with science

lol coming from you

[BedellBrave]

I personally am in favor of abortion more because of population control. We're lucky to not have a huge population as China or India where resources will be scarce soon.

And I am not a religious person and haven't been one for a decade now.


You are but that's another story. :-) And for population control, I say let's let all those in favor of it go first. I mean after all they're already using up far more resources than those products of conception in the wombs of moms. Carry on. :-)

[The Chosen One]

You are but that's another story. :-) And for population control, I say let's let all those in favor of it go first. I mean after all they're already using up far more resources than those products of conception in the wombs of moms. Carry on. :-)

Ah yes, the religious right framing atheists, agnostics, and theists as an actual religion.

[BedellBrave]

Ah yes, the religious right framing atheists, agnostics, and theists as an actual religion.


Well I can't help it if your weak sauce definition leaves yourself conveniently out.

[goldfly]

You are but that's another story. :-) And for population control, I say let's let all those in favor of it go first. I mean after all they're already using up far more resources than those products of conception in the wombs of moms. Carry on. :-)

Can't we just kill the religious that can't wait to spend entirety with their God first?

[BedellBrave]

Can't we just kill the religious that can't wait to spend entirety with their God first?


Sure, got any train cars for us to get in?

[BedellBrave]

Funny thing is that those who are all over population control are for "controlling" other people...

[goldfly]

Sure, got any train cars for us to get in?

So 20th century

[BedellBrave]

So 20th century


So what's your preferred method of transportation and disposal?

[goldfly]

Funny thing is that those who are all over population control are for "controlling" other people...

Sure

I guess it is anti freedom or whatever bull**** phrase someone wants to use but the world isn't capable of handling the population increases we have seen in the last 100 years and moving forward

[BedellBrave]

Sure

I guess it is anti freedom or whatever bull**** phrase someone wants to use but the world isn't capable of handling the population increases we have seen in the last 100 years and moving forward


So you are volunteering?

[goldfly]

So what's your preferred method of transportation and disposal?

You're taking my tat for tit joke a little seriously I feel (but maybe I am wrong and we are just joking back and forth now)

But I guess if I was going to entertain a previous idea that could also make money off it to pay for other things for society, bring back the lions and the coliseum and pay a fee to get in

[goldfly]

So you are volunteering?

For what?

[BedellBrave]

For what?

To drink the Kool-aid? Or at least to not donate your sperm?

[BedellBrave]

You're taking my tat for tit joke a little seriously I feel (but maybe I am wrong and we are just joking back and forth now)

But I guess if I was going to entertain a previous idea that could also make money off it to pay for other things for society, bring back the lions and the coliseum and pay a fee to get in


That's so 1st Century. Hey but the folks have got to have their circuses.

[goldfly]

To drink the Kool-aid? Or at least to not donate your sperm?

I prefer cherry kool aid

Sure

[BedellBrave]

I prefer cherry kool aid

Sure


Get the boy a cup.

[goldfly]

That's so 1st Century. Hey but the folks have got to have their circuses.

Oh. I know. I said previous.

No doubt. Sad what we do to amazing creatures for entertainment

[BedellBrave]

Oh. I know. I said previous.

No doubt. Sad what we do to amazing creatures for entertainment


My ilk probably won't give the lions much indigestion. At least I certainly hope not.

[The Chosen One]

Funny thing is that those who are all over population control are for "controlling" other people...

Right.

I don't want my kids and grandkids to have to worry about protecting their resources at home day in and day out when water and food supply can't meet the demand because there's either a lack of supply or everything's too expensive to buy. And I certainly don't want the government to try and remedy that problem by offering more and more food stamp assistance.

The California Water Shortage doesn't get enough attention. It's going to get really bad in a few years when people are literally killing each other over water. Not to mention a lot of agriculture comes from that state for this country. But I'm sure the big guy upstairs will watch it and fix it somehow. I wonder why he's taking so long to fix it now. God must hate those damn California liberals!

[BedellBrave]

Right.

I don't want my kids and grandkids to have to worry about protecting their resources at home day in and day out when water and food supply can't meet the demand because there's either a lack of supply or everything's too expensive to buy. And I certainly don't want the government to try and remedy that problem by offering more and more food stamp assistance.

The California Water Shortage doesn't get enough attention. It's going to get really bad in a few years when people are literally killing each other over water. But I'm sure the big guy upstairs will watch it and fix it somehow. I wonder why he's taking so long to fix it now. He must hate those damn California liberals!


You shouldn't have kids. That'll help.

Why are you angry at someone you don't believe in?

And why be concerned if it gets really bad? Culling the herd is what you want.

[goldfly]

Get the boy a cup.

Too late for that

Don't need that much sugar this late

[BedellBrave]

Too late for that

Don't need that much sugar this late


There's always tomorrow. :-)

[The Chosen One]

You shouldn't have kids. That'll help.

Why are you angry at someone you don't believe in?

I'm not angry at him anymore because I don't believe in him anymore. But rest assured 7 years ago when I watched my mom cry and battle depression for almost two years after her younger sister died of cancer, I gave him an earful.

[goldfly]

There's always tomorrow. :-)

Kroger has a 5 for $1 deal going on I think

[The Chosen One]

Just curious Bedell, is it a sin for trying to live as long as you can to avoid having to go to the holy paradise?

I've always found that interesting. The great paradise is the most envious of places described, so why even stay on this boring Earth as long as possible and just go​ ahead and get there now?

[BedellBrave]

I'm not angry at him anymore because I don't believe in him anymore. But rest assured 7 years ago when I watched my mom cry and battle depression for almost two years after her younger sister died of cancer, I gave him an earful.


Oh sure you are. But if you want to pretend that you are not, that's okay.

Hey before I go further - I'm sorry to hear about your aunt. Cancer is a bitch. And it seems most everyone I know is affected some way some how. Yet, from my vantage point, I recognize that it is a part of a fallen, sin-affected and cursed world. Something to lament, something to seek a cure for, something to hope will one day be removed as every tear will be wiped away. I've got a category for it - and a reason to both hate it and hope for it's destruction, for I believe that there is one who has stepped into space and time and has born the curse upon himself and has been raised to new life - the first of a future day of resurrection and rebirth.

But you don't really - cancer just is. As a matter of fact your worldview - your religion can't really hold that it's something bad. It's just a mechanism for population control. So, maybe you should even call it good.

But I don't want you to - and you instinctively don't and I'm right there with you on that. I've walked many a hospital hall and held many a cancer victim's hand and sought to provide what consolation and love I can to those left behind. And I say may cancer be damned to the darkest and deepest hell.

[BedellBrave]

Kroger has a 5 for $1 deal going on I think


You like your's with cyanide?

[BedellBrave]

Just curious Bedell, is it a sin for trying to live as long as you can to avoid having to go to the holy paradise?

I've always found that interesting. The great paradise is the most envious of places described, so why even stay on this boring Earth as long as possible and just go​ ahead and get there now?


I think it can be. But I've got (what I think is a biblical view) a different view of what happens after death than you are envisioning.

[goldfly]

You like your's with cyanide?

Does it help bring out the cherry flavor?



Now, when will R's in this country admit what even the pope knows?

[BedellBrave]

My view Sav, is that there are basically 3 states of life - the present state, the intermediate state (what most call heaven), and the final state.

In the present state we are spiritual-physical beings living in a physical universe. And despite the fall, and sin, and wickedness, and evil, this life is good - or can be.

The intermediate state is that state we enter at our physical deaths. Death (in my Christian understanding) is the rending of body and spirit/soul. That which is physical dies. But the immaterial us enters and intermediate state - and for believers that's better because we have a direct and uninterrupted experience with the God we profess and love. But - it's not the final state nor the best state, because we aren't designed to be merely immaterial entities.

Thus, the final state, when all things will be set right, evil will be defeated in the return of Christ and on that day we will have physical bodies reconstituted and perfected which will be wed with our immaterial selves and we shall live body & soul together in a very real, physical, spiritual and perfected world/universe/state which the Scriptures call the New Heavens and New Earth.

[BedellBrave]

Does it help bring out the cherry flavor?



Now, when will R's in this country admit what even the pope knows?


I'm wondering what happens when the sun goes into a slow time that's being predicted? Is there a man-made effect upon the climate? I'm sure. How it compares to that of forces beyond our puny power, who knows? Now, in the mean time we should do those things that are helpful in curbing the man-made effects, yet in a way that doesn't harm the weakest and most vulnerable. I certainly don't know what all that would entail. But I can do things on my own - like drive less, grow more of my own food, give and help in conservation calls, etc.

[Runnin]

I'm wondering what happens when the sun goes into a slow time that's being predicted? Is there a man-made effect upon the climate? I'm sure. How it compares to that of forces beyond our puny power, who knows? Now, in the mean time we should do those things that are helpful in curbing the man-made effects, yet in a way that doesn't harm the weakest and most vulnerable. I certainly don't know what all that would entail. But I can do things on my own - like drive less, grow more of my own food, give and help in conservation calls, etc.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&ved=0CAYQjBwwAGoVChMIgfDd5puexwIVJSqmCh2Y8gei&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3images.coroflot.com%2Fuser_file s%2Findividual_files%2Foriginal_211182_vRQk9MB7Ouy xgsnOf4y_pvbbh.jpg&ei=6HDIVYHcHaXUmAWY5Z-QCg&psig=AFQjCNFL2ojvU4S3Q57IG4Q5B0VkpszC8Q&ust=1439285864646165

[yeezus]

I'm not angry at him anymore because I don't believe in him anymore. But rest assured 7 years ago when I watched my mom cry and battle depression for almost two years after her younger sister died of cancer, I gave him an earful.

it was all part of the plan!

[BedellBrave]

it was all part of the plan!


Certainly allowing human choice, and that choice being human autonomy and the resultant effects, were a part of the plan. As was the divine choice to enter into the pain and suffering of the world and take it on and the evil and the curse for that evil on Himself and die and be resurrected to redeem man and begin the righting of all wrongs and the rebirth of a dying and sin cursed universe. And that choice includes the final and ultimate defeat of cancer one day.

The alternative is "cancer? Natural means of culling the herd. **** happens."

[BedellBrave]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=imgres&cd=&ved=0CAYQjBwwAGoVChMIgfDd5puexwIVJSqmCh2Y8gei&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3images.coroflot.com%2Fuser_file s%2Findividual_files%2Foriginal_211182_vRQk9MB7Ouy xgsnOf4y_pvbbh.jpg&ei=6HDIVYHcHaXUmAWY5Z-QCg&psig=AFQjCNFL2ojvU4S3Q57IG4Q5B0VkpszC8Q&ust=1439285864646165


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[BedellBrave]

Runnin, what were you trying to post? I don't see it.

[BedellBrave]

Oh well.