NBA Thread

[zitothebrave]

Russell Westbrook is overrated

Discuss

[TURBO]

Lebron>all

[thethe]

Russel Westbrook > James Harden

[weso1]

LeBron = Not clutch

[TURBO]

not true

[NinersSBChamps]

Kyle Korver> NBA

[NinersSBChamps]

Golden State are really trying to pawn off their garbage to other teams in order to clear cap space. Bogut could be headed to Utah. Jefferson and Biedrins are also being dangled out there.

[BRule]

If GS is able to get Dwight just by Trading Bogut and RJ to teams and then sign Dwight.....wow.

Best team in the NBA, I would think and easily the biggest threat to Miami.

[thethe]

If GS is able to get Dwight just by Trading Bogut and RJ to teams and then sign Dwight.....wow.

Best team in the NBA, I would think and easily the biggest threat to Miami.

Nobody is going to take those contracts apparently without Barnes or Thompson so we will see.

Dwight is the most overrated player in the NBA. They still wouldn't beat OKC.

[BRule]

Nobody is going to take those contracts apparently without Barnes or Thompson so we will see.

Dwight is the most overrated player in the NBA. They still wouldn't beat OKC.

LMAO

He put up 18 and 12 with a bad back and 1 arm.....overrated hahahahahahahah

[zitothebrave]

Cause OKC went so far last year

BOOM roasted

If OKC kept Harden maybe you'd have a poitn.

[BRule]

Nailed it

[NinersSBChamps]

I'd take Golden State's current squad over Dwight coming in and Barnes/Thompson departing.

[BRule]

Dwight has made his choice, will announce it via his twitter, this weekend....maybe.

ThatssoDwight.

[NinersSBChamps]

I think the guy who initially said that about Dwight has since gone on to say he jumped the gun.

[NinersSBChamps]

Andre Iguodala has reached an agreement with Golden State. 4/48 is the contract apparently. Also Dick Jefferson and Andris Biedrins are being sent to Utah.

[BRule]

Looks like Houston it is for Dwight, nice get for GS, though. Iggy adds some great perimeter D to go with all of their scoring.

[NinersSBChamps]

Looks like Houston it is for Dwight, nice get for GS, though. Iggy adds some great perimeter D to go with all of their scoring.

Assuming they keep their core intact, who goes to the bench? Barnes or Iggy? It's probably far-fetched, but don't rule out the Warriors still getting Howard.

[BRule]

Gotta assume it's Barnes, no way GS is paying Iggy 50 mil to ride pine. I suppose they could still do Bogut and Barnes for Dwight...

[NinersSBChamps]

Dallas has been ruled out. That was pretty obvious from the get go in my opinion.

[BRule]

Per USAToday, Dwight picks Houston

[BRule]

Houston now working on a sign and trade for Josh Smith for Asik.

And just like that the West is absolutely loaded at the top. Just another reason you don't trade Harden....good luck coming out of the West

[NinersSBChamps]

Tank mode in Atlanta.

[BRule]

Asik for Ryan Anderson rumor....maaaaan if that happens, the Rockets are going to be very very tough to beat.

[BRule]

OJ Mayo to the Bucks 3/24

[thethe]

The West still runs through OKC when they are healthy.

[thethe]

Houston now working on a sign and trade for Josh Smith for Asik.

And just like that the West is absolutely loaded at the top. Just another reason you don't trade Harden....good luck coming out of the West

And let Harden walk for nothing. Sure, thats a great plan.

[BRule]

West isn't running through OKC

Also this should put to rest who the best GM in the NBA is, it's Morey. Complete rebuild in a year.

[BRule]

Milsap to ATL 2/19

[NinersSBChamps]

Milsap to ATL 2/19

Millsap is a fine player. I guess Ferry couldn't find a legit center because the plan was for Al to move back to the 4. Millsap is a good compliment to Horford and it's not like Al can't play center. I like the signing.

[thethe]

West isn't running through OKC

Also this should put to rest who the best GM in the NBA is, it's Morey. Complete rebuild in a year.

Sure thing. OKC's big three aint too shabby.

And Morey is a really good GM. I guess he gets a huge demerit though for drafting that scrub Lamb.

[thethe]

Millsap is a fine player. I guess Ferry couldn't find a legit center because the plan was for Al to move back to the 4. Millsap is a good compliment to Horford and it's not like Al can't play center. I like the signing.

Atl has a nice front line now. They will be annoying to deal with. Just need to get lucky on a couple of picks. I like the guy out of Brasil they drafted but I doubt he comes over this year.

[BRule]

Sure thing. OKC's big three aint too shabby.

And Morey is a really good GM. I guess he gets a huge demerit though for drafting that scrub Lamb.

OKC has a fine big 3 but the rest of the West is catching up, fast.

He drafted him and traded him for JAMES HARDEN. Also, never called him a scrub, he's not an NBA starter though...on a good team. He's a 8th/9th guy off the bench.

[thethe]

OKC has a fine big 3 but the rest of the West is catching up, fast.

He drafted him and traded him for JAMES HARDEN. Also, never called him a scrub, he's not an NBA starter though...on a good team. He's a 8th/9th guy off the bench.

A fine big 3? Wow, thats an understatement. Thats the best big 3 in basketball.

Morey had no idea that Harden was going to be available to him when Lamb was drafted. He drafted Lamb to replace Martin. Coincidentally enough, Lamb is still going to be following that game plan.

[BRule]

A fine big 3? Wow, thats an understatement. Thats the best big 3 in basketball.

Morey had no idea that Harden was going to be available to him when Lamb was drafted. He drafted Lamb to replace Martin. Coincidentally enough, Lamb is still going to be following that game plan.

The best big 3 in the NBA is in Miami, with 2 rings.

[BRule]

Josh Smith to DET for 4/56...How does Dumars have a job still?

[thethe]

Josh Smith to DET for 4/56...How does Dumars have a job still?

I don't get that at all. They already have 2 excellent 7 footerse.

Well, there goes the new best big three in the NBA in Houston!!!

[NinersSBChamps]

Josh Smith to DET for 4/56...How does Dumars have a job still?

The signing doesn't make sense with Drummond and Monroe being there already. However Smith is a very productive player. He averaged 17,8,and 4 this past season. You know what you are going to get with him. He also had a steal and nearly 2 blocks a game as well. I don't know many players that did that.

He does have some attitude issues and his shot selection is terrible. He needed a change of scenery and hopefully this will help him out. Yeah it's such an awful signing though..

[BRule]

He's fine at the 4, when you try to play him at the 3 he is utterly useless

[NinersSBChamps]

Kings agree to terms with Carl Landry. 4/26 it looks like. Good deal for Draymond Green on the Warriors.

[thethe]

I know Green was big in the playoffs but the Warriors are going to miss Landry alot.

[elmonthc]

If the knicks resign kmart and get brand I like their offseason.

[acesfull86]

Maybe a Rondo to Detroit trade on the horizon?

[ESP47]

Kings agree to terms with Carl Landry. 4/26 it looks like. Good deal for Draymond Green on the Warriors.

No idea what this team is doing. We are stocked to the tee with small shoot first guards and big men that can't block shots or play defense. Makes no sense unless there's some other deal in the works to deal all these players that are just copies of one another.

[NinersSBChamps]

If the knicks resign kmart and get brand I like their offseason.

Who is going to play point guard? I honestly have no idea.

[NinersSBChamps]

Maybe a Rondo to Detroit trade on the horizon?

Welcome abord aces!

[acesfull86]

If the knicks resign kmart and get brand I like their offseason.

I have a feeling it will be one or the other...and I'd lean towards KMart if I were making a prediction because I think Brand will take an offer better than the $1.75M the Knicks can offer.

Give me:

1) A PF/C who is a good enough rebounder/defender that Chandler isn't all alone -- KMart or Brand
2) A veteran PG who will take the minimum -- maybe Aaron Brooks or Sebastian Telfair
3) One more wing who is a competent defender and can hit a three -- Carlos Delfino would be perfect, but perhaps too pricey

Chandler / Stat / Martin
Melo / Bargnani
Shumpert / Delfino / Leslie
Smith / Hardaway
Felton / Prigs / Brooks

With two open roster spots....maybe a Summer League standout a veteran gunner

[BRule]

Who is going to play point guard? I honestly have no idea.

Felton and Prigs....Shump for spurts

[TURBO]

Heat going to win. It doesnnt really matter what everyone else does. :icwudt:

[thethe]

Lebron can't do it alone. You're lucky westbrook got hurt.

[acesfull86]

Collison to the Clippers. Think that's a good spot for him, backing up Paul.

[thethe]

Collison to the Clippers. Think that's a good spot for him, backing up Paul.

Clippers are going to be tough next year. I'm not a believer in Blake but they had the biggest coaching improvement of any team in modern memory. Del Negro was just awful and Doc is awesome.

[BRule]

Clips > OKC

[thethe]

Clips > OKC

LOL...everybody is better than OKC.

But then when the season ends and they win 60 games again you will be nowhere to be found.

[BRule]

Clips upgraded at coach, wings and bench....

GS got Iggy

Houston got Dwight and probably Ryan Anderson

Spurs added Belinelli

What has PRESTI done?

[thethe]

Clips upgraded at coach, wings and bench....

GS got Iggy

Houston got Dwight and probably Ryan Anderson

Spurs added Belinelli

What has PRESTI done?

Presti has done plenty in the past that was meant to set up for the future. You are as reactionary as it gets with basketball. Thunder have 2 of the top 10 players in the league at 24 years of age plus another top 30 player at 23. Lamb was a highly thought of prospect who is going to get his chance this year in addition to everyone returning from last years 60 win team aside from Martin. Forgive me if I am not going to jump off of a bridge.

[BRule]

ENJOY BEING DESTROYED BY LIN

[NinersSBChamps]

JJ Hickson to Denver. 3/15 is the reported deal. I think that is a steal for him and he can do well in Denver's assumed high tempo offense.

[gilesfan]

Sure thing. OKC's big three aint too shabby.

And Morey is a really good GM. I guess he gets a huge demerit though for drafting that scrub Lamb.

Don't you have to actually have a 3rd to have a big 3?

[thethe]

Don't you have to actually have a 3rd to have a big 3?

Yup, Ibaka is a scrub.

[gilesfan]

Didn't call him a scrub, but calling him part of a "Big 3" is a huge stretch.

Houston is the best team in the west on paper right now. Seem to have a team that can gel and work together as well (especially if they add Anderson...geez)

It will be good out West though. Hou, GS, OKC, SA, Clips, Denver This offseason has really brought the teams closer together.

[gilesfan]

so, who was it that laughed at the Rockets for signing Asik last year?

[BRule]

I did...still wouldn't have signed him. 10/11 50% from the line and only 1 block a game. Nice player but not someone I give 30 mil.

[thethe]

Didn't call him a scrub, but calling him part of a "Big 3" is a huge stretch.

Houston is the best team in the west on paper right now. Seem to have a team that can gel and work together as well (especially if they add Anderson...geez)

It will be good out West though. Hou, GS, OKC, SA, Clips, Denver This offseason has really brought the teams closer together.

His age 23 season was a really good season. He has zero post moves which of course is something he can hopefully develop but he is most definitley one of hte top 30 players in the league. If that isn't part of a big three then I guess we just define those things differently.

OKC is still the team to beat. They didn't make moves this offseason because they are not a reactionary team. Moves are always made with the future in mind. Presti knew that Martin was a potential one year stop gap. Would I have liked him back? Of course, but not for four years at the money he got. Lamb was a highly thought of prospect who did very well in the D-League last year (not all that important) and iwll now get a chance. Thunder have two top 10 players (some would consider RW top 5 and I know it isn't you) signed for 3-4 more years who are 24 years old plus a 23 year old defensive big man woh just shot 57% from the field last year. They have young assets and role players all over the place.

Reggie Jackson and Jeremy Lamb are going to be big contributors next year. Jackson already showed a glimpse of his ability when RW went down. He will be a starting PG after his rookie deal is up.

[gilesfan]

Top 30 is a stretch.

[thethe]

Top 30 is a stretch.

So please list the players you think are better than him.

[BRule]

Bron
Wade
CP3
Kobe
Harden
RW
Melo
Curry
LMA
Griffin
Irving
Rose
Deron
Rondo
Dirk
Dwight
Duncan
TP
Lillard
ZBo
Marc Gasol
Horford
Iggy
Cousins
Monroe
Faried
Al Jeff
Bosh
Jrue
George
Josh Smith
Deng
Lee
Brook Lopez
Love
Wall
Pekovic

I'm sure there are more I'm missing

[gilesfan]

Bron
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Curry
Melo
Irving
Paul
Rose
Wade
Griffin
Dirk
Duncan
Gasol
Gasol
George
A. Davis
Noah
Howard
Conley
Thompson
Cousins
Holiday
Bosh
Parker
Love
Horford
Lopez
Wall
Aldridge
Lawson
Sanders
Rondo
Chandler
D. Williams
D. Lee
Hibbert
E. Gordon
Bynum


Debating Beal, Drummond, Monroe, Millsap

I had to miss a couple, this was off top of head.

[thethe]

Lebron? You have to be kidding me!

But seriously, we just disagree and what type of player Ibaka is. You guys don't see him play as much as i do. But to be fair I don't watch most of these other guys.

[gilesfan]

I kinda liked wthat the Pistons were doing....really like Monroe/Drummond.

But they effin sign josh Smith? Ugh.

[thethe]

I kinda liked wthat the Pistons were doing....really like Monroe/Drummond.

But they effin sign josh Smith? Ugh.

I could see them trading one for Rondo. Not sure if thats a smart move though. Rondo is a team killer.

[BRule]

Lebron? You have to be kidding me!

But seriously, we just disagree and what type of player Ibaka is. You guys don't see him play as much as i do. But to be fair I don't watch most of these other guys.

Or you overrate him because you're a noted homer....

[thethe]

Or you overrate him because you're a noted homer....

Yup, I have been so off with my Thunder projections. You guys are wrong much more often than me when it comes to the Thunder but of course you fail to see that.

I want to stop talking about this stupid crap anyway because its put up or shutup time for the team. They are still young but they need to win a title the next two years before LEbron bolts to Cleveland to play with more superstars.

[elmonthc]

Don't you have to actually have a 3rd to have a big 3?

They did, they trqded him to houston. Baha...

[BRule]

Lamb off to a STELLAR start in the Summer League.......KILLIN IT

[thethe]

Lamb off to a STELLAR start in the Summer League.......KILLIN IT

So is Jerret going to be a star then?

[BRule]

I'd start him over Lamb

[thethe]

I'd start him over Lamb

LOL...you're awesome.

[BRule]

You know Lamb weighs like 170 soaking wet, right? You should also go research his college career and scouting reports....or just watch some UConn games. You'll see he is far, far, far away from contributing on a good NBA team.

[thethe]

You know Lamb weighs like 170 soaking wet, right? You should also go research his college career and scouting reports....or just watch some UConn games. You'll see he is far, far, far away from contributing on a good NBA team.

Well, to be a focal point of a team he is not ready. I know he needs to put on about 15-20 pounds of muscle. I read plenty of Thunder Forums/Team News. He does however have excellent range and shoots at an efficient clip. He is a young player so he isn't going to be a star right away or for that matter even a good player. However, to replace Martin all he needs to do is hit open shots. Reggie Jackson is going to assume a bigger role on offense and he showed that he is ready for that. So together, Lamb/Jackson are goin gto replace Martins/Jacksons performance from last year.

Martin was not a good defensive player anyway.

[BRule]

Well, to be a focal point of a team he is not ready. I know he needs to put on about 15-20 pounds of muscle. I read plenty of Thunder Forums/Team News. He does however have excellent range and shoots at an efficient clip. He is a young player so he isn't going to be a star right away or for that matter even a good player. However, to replace Martin all he needs to do is hit open shots. Reggie Jackson is going to assume a bigger role on offense and he showed that he is ready for that. So together, Lamb/Jackson are goin gto replace Martins/Jacksons performance from last year.

Martin was not a good defensive player anyway.

He shot 33% from the college 3 pt line last year, 34 for his career. Lamb, at his best is when he takes you off the dribble, coming off screens, cutting and driving or pulling up in the lane. Which is not going to translate to the NBA because of his body AND the NBA has much better defenders...he took advantage of a lot of bad teams. He disappeared against the tough teams.

Against ranked teams last year he dropped 13 PPG on 39% from the field and 30% from three.

He's Nick Young with less range, IMO.

[NinersSBChamps]

Hawks and Bucks are possibly working on a sign and trade to swap Jennings and Teague. Thankfully no Monta Ellis is coming to Atlanta. However out of those three I'd want Teague to stay. Jennings would be a slight preference over Ellis, but both are meh.

[BRule]

Teague > Monta > Jennings

[gilesfan]

He shot 33% from the college 3 pt line last year, 34 for his career. Lamb, at his best is when he takes you off the dribble, coming off screens, cutting and driving or pulling up in the lane. Which is not going to translate to the NBA because of his body AND the NBA has much better defenders...he took advantage of a lot of bad teams. He disappeared against the tough teams.

Against ranked teams last year he dropped 13 PPG on 39% from the field and 30% from three.

He's Nick Young with less range, IMO.

Probably a better defender and hopefully for him he gives more effort than Young. But, being Nick Young is no compliment.

[thethe]

We will have to see. The college game is much different than the pro game.

Lamb had a nice crossover for the winning bucket yesterday so that was a good sign. A big knock on him is that he can't create his own shot. He won't need to in the Thunder offense but it would still be nice to have. Lamb has the length to be a good NBA player. He just needs to bulk up a little.

BTW, both Plumlees have looked great so far.

[gilesfan]

Putting stock in Summer League games is like wanting your team to sign the Professor from the And1 tour.

[thethe]

Putting stock in Summer League games is like wanting your team to sign the Professor from the And1 tour.

Any performance against legitimate competition (non-nba) of course is something you can gain insight from. Obviously you aren't going to weight it that much but at this point in the year there is nothing else that can be looked at.

[ESP47]

Hawks and Bucks are possibly working on a sign and trade to swap Jennings and Teague. Thankfully no Monta Ellis is coming to Atlanta. However out of those three I'd want Teague to stay. Jennings would be a slight preference over Ellis, but both are meh.

Kings are going hard after Monta Ellis at $12mil after letting Tyreke Evans go because he was going to cost $11mil.

I'm just going to go beat my head against a wall until this crap makes sense.

[gilesfan]

I'd like to think I know what the Kings are doing.

But, I don't. All 2 guard lineup?

[ESP47]

Neither do any of the fans. The trade for Mbah a Moute calmed a lot of the fans down and most likely put an end to any Monta Ellis talk.

[BRule]

Shocking that the Kings actually made a good move.

[elmonthc]

Putting stock in Summer League games is like wanting your team to sign the Professor from the And1 tour.

Agree. Didnt skip to my lou or whatever get signed by an nba team recently. That show waant bad either. Would be cool if they would donsomething like that at rucker park. I had a great time when I went back in the day. Some great bball was played.

[elmonthc]

Lol mike dantoni. Its just so awesome seeing them like this.

[NinersSBChamps]

Cleveland offered Andrew Bynum 2/24 I believe. He was supposed to meet with Atlanta today as well. I'd take a flier on him for a short contract laden with incentives because if he's healthy he is good. Move Al back to the 4 and have Millsap off the bench. I'd be happy with that front court rotation.

[gilesfan]

Agree. Didnt skip to my lou or whatever get signed by an nba team recently. That show waant bad either. Would be cool if they would donsomething like that at rucker park. I had a great time when I went back in the day. Some great bball was played.



I don't think Alston was signed recently. Dude was a baller in college though.

[BRule]

Bogdanovic deal is off with the Nets. Ouch

[thethe]

Bogdanovic deal is off with the Nets. Ouch

LOL, someone is obsessed with the Brooklyn Nets!

[BRule]

Well they took over NY, so isn't everyone?

[thethe]

Well they took over NY, so isn't everyone?

Well they have taken over Brooklyn. Now they just need to win.

I said it would be in 10 years. Never said 1 year my friend.

[BRule]

Better be next year, after that their window is gone.

[thethe]

Better be next year, after that their window is gone.

They are losing Williams/Lopez after next year?

[BRule]

They are losing Williams/Lopez after next year?

That's enough to win?

[thethe]

So BRule, am I going to hear how good Lamb was today or is that only when he isn't good?

[thethe]

That's enough to win?

Of course not but its a great start. Both are still young.

Just like people want to come to NY/LA people are going to want to come to BK. Add in an owner that will pay a ridiculous amount of tax and have a draw in the eastern european leagues then you are goin gto have a good team.

[BRule]

Of course not but its a great start. Both are still young.

Just like people want to come to NY/LA people are going to want to come to BK. Add in an owner that will pay a ridiculous amount of tax and have a draw in the eastern european leagues then you are goin gto have a good team.

Deron is older than Melo, who you said is going to be finished in 2 years.....

[thethe]

Deron is older than Melo, who you said is going to be finished in 2 years.....

I never said Melo would be finished. I said he can't be relied on to be a guy who can carry a team by himself. Both players could use better conditioning.

[BRule]

So BRule, am I going to hear how good Lamb was today or is that only when he isn't good?

7 TO's / no assists.

[thethe]

7 TO's / no assists.

He will not be relied on to set up his teammates. He will not be handling the ball with KD/RW/RJ on the team.

The summer league is like a minor league game. They ask players to do things they aren't comfortable doing to get better at it. Lamb is being told to handle the ball and administer the offense.

When he actually is playing for the Thunder he will be a spot up shooter and a guy running off screens. The guy can flat out shoot and thats what they will need to replace Martin.

[BRule]

Where are you getting this from? "Flat out shooter"? Says who. He shot ****ing 33% in college from 3....

[thethe]

Where are you getting this from? "Flat out shooter"? Says who. He shot ****ing 33% in college from 3....

As an 18 year old kid? How about what he shot in the D-League last year?

[BRule]

As an 18 year old kid? How about what he shot in the D-League last year?

The Big East D > The DLeague

And he was 20 at UConn, not 18.

[thethe]

The Big East D > The DLeague

And he was 20 at UConn, not 18.

He was born May 30th 1992.

So he is 21 this year.
20 last year.
18-19 in UCONN...sorry was off by a year. He had a solid freshman year and was not as good obviously in his sophmore year. Then had a nice year in the D-league last year. You just want to pick out bad things because now he is a Thunder player.

Big East is not better than the D-League. The top end talent in the Big East is better but there are plenty of people that play in the Big East that couldn't make the rosters of the D-League teams.

[BRule]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA go look at the DLeague stat leaders and re-think if you seriously wanna say it's better than the Big East.

The DLeague is a ****ing joke

[thethe]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA go look at the DLeague stat leaders and re-think if you seriously wanna say it's better than the Big East.

The DLeague is a ****ing joke

So why is 75% of the big east not even playing professional basketball?

[BRule]

So why is 75% of the big east not even playing professional basketball?

So you're telling me you think the DLeague plays better D than what Louisville and Syracuse did last year?

Did you look at the names on the stat sheet? Obviously not

[thethe]

So you're telling me you think the DLeague plays better D than what Louisville and Syracuse did last year?

Did you look at the names on the stat sheet? Obviously not

You didn't say just Louisville. You said hte Big East. In terms of total talent for each player the D-League is better.

[BRule]

9 Ryan Ayers G 6-7 210 Notre Dame
32 JaMychal Green F 6-9 220 Alabama
22 Lester Hudson G 6-3 190 Tennessee-Martin
00 Rick Jackson F 6-9 240 Syracuse
10 Dontell Jefferson G 6-5 195 Arkansas
5 Tre Kelley G 6-0 188 South Carolina
0 Chris Roberts G 6-4 205 Bradley
4 Jamarr Sanders G 6-4 210 Alabama-Birmingham
15 Patrick Sullivan C 6-9 215 S.E. Louisiana
24 Alexis Wangmene F 6-7 241 Texas
7 Tyler Wilkerson F 6-8 240 Marshall

Jam Roster
44 Brian Butch C 6-11 240 Wisconsin
34 Chris Cooper C 6-10 245 Old Dominion
14 Stephen Dennis G 6-6 180 Kutztown, Pa.
32 Shan Foster G, F 6-6 195 Vanderbilt
9 Damion James G, F 6-7 225 Texas
24 Adam Koch F 6-8 255 Northern Iowa
7 Renaldo Major F 6-6 210 Fresno State
21 James Nunnally F 6-7 205 UC Santa Barbara
15 Cam Tatum F 6-7 195 Tennessee
33 Adrian Thomas F 6-7 225 Miami

24 Antoine Agudio G 6-3 185 Hofstra
32 D'Aundray Brown G 6-4 195 Cleveland State
50 Michael Eric F 6-10 240 Temple
17 Travis Franklin F 6-7 215 Colorado State
22 Kyle Gibson G 6-5 205 Louisiana Tech
7 Jorge Gutierrez G 6-3 195 California
20 Jai Lucas G 5-10 160 Texas
10 Brady Morningstar G 6-4 185 Kansas
21 Arinze Onuaku F, C 6-9 275 Syracuse
42 Ryan Rossiter F 6-9 255 Siena
30 Kyle Weaver G 6-6 200 Washington State

12 Tirrell Baines F 6-6 220 Marshall
34 Keith Benson C 6-11 230 Oakland
10 Nick Covington G 6-2 200 Oklahoma City
23 Erik Daniels F 6-8 215 Kentucky
32 Kyle Goldcamp F 6-10 250 Gannon
22 Demonte Harper G 6-4 188 Morehead State
13 Cory Higgins G 6-5 180 Colorado
Terrence Jennings F 6-10 230 Louisville
4 Mustafa Shakur G 6-3 190 Arizona
33 Chace Stanback F 6-8 210 UNLV
24 Wesley Witherspoon F 6-9 215 Memphis

10 Bryant Austin F 6-6 215 Indiana State
22 Luke Harangody F 6-8 240 Notre Dame
9 Anthony Harris G 6-2 190 Miami
19 Ron Howard G, F 6-5 185 Valparaiso
24 Demetri McCamey G 6-3 200 Illinois
18 Tony Mitchell F 6-6 216 Alabama
32 Chris Porter F 6-7 214 Auburn
15 Anthony Richardson F 6-7 205 Florida State
17 Sadiel Rojas G, F 6-4 190 Oklahoma Wesleyan
23 Tommy Smith F 6-10 215 Arizona State
21 Terrance Thomas F 6-6 230 Baylor
33 Brandon Wallace F 6-8 225 South Carolina

14 Carlon Brown G 6-5 215 Colorado
21 Jason Ellis F 6-7 200 Boise State
22 Sean Evans F 6-8 250 St. John's, N.Y.
4 Reggie Hamilton G 5-11 180 Oakland
24 Justin Harper F, C 6-10 225 Richmond
42 JaJuan Johnson F, C 6-10 221 Purdue
11 Coby Karl G 6-5 215 Boise State
50 Dallas Lauderdale F 6-8 260 Ohio State
33 Josh Owens F 6-9 240 Stanford
17 Durrell Summers G 6-4 205 Michigan State

21 Jarrid Famous F, C 6-11 240 South Florida
24 Augustus Gilchrist F 6-10 240 South Florida
14 Paul Harris F 6-4 230 Syracuse
13 Robert Hite G 6-2 184 Miami
15 Justin Hurtt G 6-5 210 Tulsa
12 Othyus Jeffers G, F 6-5 200 Robert Morris - Chicago
22 Nick Murphy G, F 6-4 215 Jacksonville State
11 Alex Ruoff G 6-6 220 West Virginia
32 Ben Strong C 6-11 220 Guilford
7 Chris Wright G 6-1 210 Georgetown

11 Morris Almond G 6-5 210 Rice
42 Zach Andrews F 6-9 230 Bradley
34 Craig Brackins F 6-10 230 Iowa State
Matt Dickey G 6-1 180 UNC-Asheville
24 Gary Flowers G 6-8 214 Southern Mississippi
22 Courtney Fortson G 5-11 185 Arkansas
44 Travis Hyman C 7-0 245 Bowie State
23 Jerome Jordan C 7-0 253 Tulsa
18 Elijah Millsap G 6-6 215 Alabama-Birmingham
33 Jamario Moon F 6-8 215 Meridian CC
21 Reeves Nelson F 6-8 235 UCLA
12 Mike Taylor G 6-2 170 Iowa State

7 Curtis Jerrells
G
6-1
195
Baylor

12 Jermaine Taylor
G
6-4
210
UCF

14 Mark Tyndale
G
6-5
210
Temple

17 Jeremiah Rivers
G
6-5
207
Indiana

19 Josh Selby
G
6-2
183
Kansas

21 Justin Hawkins
F
6-7
210
New Mexico State

24 Omar Reed
F
6-6
215
Bluefield

33 Chris Wright
F
6-8
225
Dayton

41 Fab Melo*
C
7-0
255
Syracyse

42 Garrett Stutz*
C
7-0
253
Wichita State

44 Will Foster
C
7-5
260
Gonzaga

11 Will Blalock G 6-1 200 Iowa State
10 Mo Charlo F 6-7 210 Nevada
21 Ronald Dupree F 6-7 210 Louisiana State
23 Desmon Farmer G 6-5 210 USC
41 Garrett Green C 6-11 240 San Diego State
15 Orien Greene G 6-5 218 Louisiana-Lafayette
34 Darnell Jackson F 6-8 241 Kansas
9 Tajuan Porter G 5-7 155 Oregon
50 Ralph Sampson C 6-11 240 Minnesota
33 Samardo Samuels F 6-9 260 Louisville
22 Dar Tucker G 6-4 205 DePaul

14 Kyle Fogg G 6-3 183 Arizona
7 Tyler Honeycutt F 6-8 188 UCLA
10 Chris Johnson F 6-6 201 Dayton
23 D.J. Kennedy G, F 6-6 215 St. John's, N.Y.
9 Toure Murry F 6-5 200 Wichita State
11 Christian Polk G 6-3 195 Texas-El Paso
24 Glen Rice G 6-6 215 Georgia Tech
17 Mike Singletary F 6-6 220 Texas Tech
33 Royce White F 6-8 270 Iowa State
18 Hassan Whiteside C 7-0 260 Marshall

34 Hilton Armstrong C, F 6-11 235 Connecticut
23 Maurice Baker G 6-1 195 Oklahoma State
32 Mickell Gladness C 6-11 230 Alabama A&M
24 Lance Goulbourne F 6-8 230 Vanderbilt
12 Taylor Griffin F 6-8 231 Oklahoma
13 Stefhon Hannah G 6-1 175 Missouri
18 Darington Hobson G 6-7 210 New Mexico
9 Cameron Jones G 6-4 185 Northern Arizona
15 Travis Leslie G 6-4 205 Georgia
14 Daniel Nwaelele G 6-4 205 Air Force
33 Jeremy Tyler F, C 6-10 260 San Diego, California

34 Christopher Ayer C 6-10 250 Loyola Marymount
11 Andre Barrett G 5-11 175 Seton Hall
14 Chris Davis G 6-3 185 Southern U.
24 Mike Davis F 6-9 225 Illinois
33 James Mays F 6-9 230 Clemson
22 Casey Mitchell G 6-4 220 West Virginia
23 Demetris Nichols F 6-8 215 Syracuse
19 Seth Tarver G, F 6-5 215 Oregon State
17 Mychel Thompson F 6-7 215 Pepperdine
21 Bryant Voiles F 6-9 209 Augustana, Ill.
Bill Walker F 6-6 220 Kansas State

32 Kenny Adeleke F 6-8 250 Hartford
23 Dennis Horner F 6-9 230 North Carolina State
9 Justin Johnson G 6-2 175 Concordia-Irvine
15 Dominique Jones G 6-5 215 South Florida
13 Ramone Moore G 6-4 190 Temple
34 Carleton Scott F 6-8 218 Notre Dame
17 Edwin Ubiles G, F 6-6 204 Siena
14 Ben Uzoh G 6-3 205 Tulsa

42 Ron Anderson F 6-8 260 South Florida
50 Rodney Bartholomew F 6-8 235 Midland College (Texas)(JC)
19 Brandon Brooks G 6-2 190 Alabama State
18 Rasual Butler F 6-7 215 La Salle
22 Mario Little G 6-6 210 Kansas
10 Andy Rautins G 6-4 190 Syracuse
21 Dominique Sutton G 6-5 212 No. Carolina Central
7 Tony Taylor G 6-1 191 George Washington
32 Hollis Thompson F, G 6-8 206 Georgetown
15 Isaiah Wilkerson G 6-3 215 NJIT

[thethe]

I'm assuming these are the D-League rosters?

[BRule]

I prefer to call them the scrubs that are in the DLeague but yeah, the DLeague rosters.

[thethe]

Cavs are now the most interesting team in the league.

Irving
Bynum
Varajao
Thomson
Waiters
Gee
Bennett
Jack
Clark
Zeller

Thats a solid team right there...especially if Bennett is good.

[BRule]

Most interesting NBA team in Cleveland, sure....

[thethe]

Most interesting NBA team in Cleveland, sure....

I'd take that roster over the Knicks roster anyday.

[BRule]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA please bet me Knicks v Cavs next year, PLEASE.

Teague signs offer sheet with Bucks 4/32

[thethe]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA please bet me Knicks v Cavs next year, PLEASE.

Teague signs offer sheet with Bucks 4/32

DId I say they were bbetter than the Knicks for next year?

[BRule]

So you would take a worse roster? Is being worse the objective in this game?

[thethe]

So you would take a worse roster? Is being worse the objective in this game?

No the objective is winning a championship at some point which the Knicks have no shot with their current roster construction.

[thethe]

Orlando Summer League: Day 4 standouts (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61188/orlando-summer-league-day-4-standouts)

Jeremy Lamb, Thunder
The Thunder’s second-year guard was, without question, Wednesday’s best player. He scored 32 points on just 14 shots, falling just four points shy of tying the Orlando Summer League scoring record set Tuesday by his teammate Reggie Jackson. The game seems to come so easily to Lamb that it often looks as if he’s not trying. While that was the case Wednesday, you could still see that he was being aggressive without forcing the issue, creating for himself and even for others at times. With Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, the Thunder don’t need Lamb to score 30 a night, but even two-thirds of this production would be a welcome sight in Oklahoma City.

Steven Adams, Thunder
Adams moves extremely well defending the pick-and-roll, able to slow and disturb the ball handler enough to throw him out of rhythm. His offensive game is still a work in progress, but his 13 points showed that it’s slowly starting to click for him. Before Wednesday, Adams showed only flashes of promise. Though he played well on defense, on offense the game appeared to move too fast for him, as if he were stuck three seconds in the past compared to every other player on the floor. Against the 76ers, the game looked to have finally slowed down for Adams on both ends.

[thethe]

Adams is so raw but has so much potential. His defense is going to be there and if he can just catch the ball and dunk it then he will be a huge improvement on Perkins. I think he will be in the D-League for most of hte year because the Thunder have guys that they want to see will be part of the future (Thabeat/Orton) but I think he will be a solid player.

Lamb of course will be good next year.

[BRule]

By good do you mean playing 12 minutes a game and scoring 2.9 points per game on 42% shooting?

[thethe]

By good do you mean playing 12 minutes a game and scoring 2.9 points per game on 42% shooting?

I'd bet the over on those numbers any day of the week.

[BRule]

Share your projections

[thethe]

Share your projections

We are talking about Lamb I assume right?

Why not use your projections for a bet?

[BRule]

Because I was obviously trolling you?

My real projections would be:

If he starts - 26 minutes - 7.6 PPG / 2.3 RPG / 1.7 APG on 43%/29%

[thethe]

Because I was obviously trolling you?

My real projections would be:

If he starts - 26 minutes - 7.6 PPG / 2.3 RPG / 1.7 APG on 43%/29%

Well he won't start. He will be on the second team backcourt with RJ. Thabo plays an important role on the team still.

I know you love to troll. I love to respond to your trolling.

Hard for me to know what his line is going to look like because I have only seen him play in garbage time and his weight concerns me. I do think he will shoot better from 3 though. Guy has a sweet stroke. I would say your projections are pretty solid aside from his shooting. Reggie Jackson is going to be the primary scorer on the second team. That guy is legit.

[BRule]

Loved Jackson at BC, wanted the Knicks to draft him.

Lamb needs to add a legit 20-30 lbs....and even then he's still small for the NBA.

[thethe]

Loved Jackson at BC, wanted the Knicks to draft him.

Lamb needs to add a legit 20-30 lbs....and even then he's still small for the NBA.

He's a poor mans Westbrook. He was even good in his rookie year but they couldn't risk having a rookie play significant minutes in the playoffs. He was awesome last year and I expect him to be even better. Knicks are going ot get a chance to get him when he hits FA. No way the Thunder can keep that guy past his rookie contract.

I agree Lamb needs to add weight but right now all he will be asked to do is run off of screens and spot up. He will not have to back anyone down or dribble drive unless its off of a pump fake. I don't get why you don't think he can shoot. The brief times I saw him in OKC and his D-League performance shows that he can. Lamb will be a work in progress. He is not going to score as much as Martin next year but I think you might agree that RJ is going to be the guy that steps it up.

[NinersSBChamps]

So you would take a worse roster? Is being worse the objective in this game?

It may as well be. There is no parity in the NBA and it's going to be even worse this upcoming season. So many teams are going to try and get in the lottery and more number of chances to win the first pick. So, yes the object is to lose.

[acesfull86]

So Kirilenko opts out of a $10M contract so he can sign for $3M with the Nets.

Yeah, he's definitely not getting a couple of fat envelopes under the table from Prokhorov. Nothing fishy here.

Great move for the Nets, though.

[thethe]

So Kirilenko opts out of a $10M contract so he can sign for $3M with the Nets.

Yeah, he's definitely not getting a couple of fat envelopes under the table from Prokhorov. Nothing fishy here.

Great move for the Nets, though.

LOL...that is a sick move for the Nets.

Williams
Lopez
Garnett
Johnson
Pierce
Blatche
Kirlenko
Taylor
Livingston
Plumlee

Here comes BRule saying how Kirlenko is horrible.

[thethe]

It may as well be. There is no parity in the NBA and it's going to be even worse this upcoming season. So many teams are going to try and get in the lottery and more number of chances to win the first pick. So, yes the object is to lose.

The object is to lose if you odn't have a team that can win in the future. Cavs are in a MUCH better spot as a franchise than the Knicks.

[NinersSBChamps]

The object is to lose if you odn't have a team that can win in the future. Cavs are in a MUCH better spot as a franchise than the Knicks.

Agreed.

However this is what is entirely wrong the NBA. On any given season there are 4-6 teams who could win the title and this upcoming season is even less.

[BRule]

The object is to lose if you odn't have a team that can win in the future. Cavs are in a MUCH better spot as a franchise than the Knicks.

The Cavs aren't gonna be bad enough to get a top pick again, so either all the young kids develop and they contend or they are stuck between 7-8 seed and late lotto.

Irving is a stud but unless Bynum is healthy I'm not sold on his supporting cast.

As for AK47, solid pickup...Korver was a better fit but solid backup choice. Not really sure how all these pieces are going to fit together, though. Will be interesting to see if Kidd can come up with a style that'll work.

[thethe]

I don't think they are going to win this year but they do have a ton of solid young players around a superstar. Cleveland isn't a huge draw but there is a an all time player still in his prime that might want to play there again.

[BRule]

Kyrie is THE draw, he already had that respect in the league. The question is, will he stay in Cleveland or will he bolt to join another superstar? Hopefully he stays, unless it's for MSG :icwudt:

[gilesfan]

Kylie is good, but most interesting team, wtf?

What are the odds Bynum plays 30 games a.

[thethe]

Kylie is good, but most interesting team, wtf?

What are the odds Bynum plays 30 games a.

Kyrie is special. Andrew Bynum rebounding and becoming one of the top 5 centers in the game like he was in the past. They just picked #1 in the draft and have a lot of intersting young players (Thomson/Waiters/Zeller)

[gilesfan]

What is interesting about Zeller?

How can you say a player that hasn't played in a year is becoming anything?

What is interesting about Waiters?

[thethe]

What is interesting about Zeller?

How can you say a player that hasn't played in a year is becoming anything?

What is interesting about Waiters?

Zeller was a stretch but I think he can be an effective backup center in this league.

What isn't interesting about Waiters? Do you realize how much better he got as the season progressed? You just fail to see projection with any player. Its really odd.

Andrew Bynum is one of the most talented big men in the league. Will he always be hurt. Maybe...but I think its worth the risk.

They signed Jack and Clark. Two players who are solid NBA guys (Jack obvoiusly moreso). Cleveland is goin gto be a playoff team next year without question as long as Kyrie is healthy.

[gilesfan]

You definition of interesting appears to equal the definition of good.

[BRule]

Zeller was a stretch but I think he can be an effective backup center in this league.

What isn't interesting about Waiters? Do you realize how much better he got as the season progressed? You just fail to see projection with any player. Its really odd.

Andrew Bynum is one of the most talented big men in the league. Will he always be hurt. Maybe...but I think its worth the risk.

They signed Jack and Clark. Two players who are solid NBA guys (Jack obvoiusly moreso). Cleveland is goin gto be a playoff team next year without question as long as Kyrie is healthy.

The bottom half of the East is horrible, so I would hope they can sneak in.

[thethe]

The bottom half of the East is horrible, so I would hope they can sneak in.

What do you project for their season?

I think 45-48 wins personally.

[BRule]

If Bynum is healthy? 38-42

If Bynum isn't healthy? 30-34

[thethe]

If Bynum is healthy? 38-42

If Bynum isn't healthy? 30-34

What about if Kyrie is healhty all year and with the addition of Jack and hte improvement of their young players?

[BRule]

What about if Kyrie is healhty all year and with the addition of Jack and hte improvement of their young players?

Obviously Kyrie gets hurt they are right back to being a crap team.

Jack was a decent signing but he really fell off a cliff the last 2 months of the year, I wouldn't expect him to be close to what he did last year.

They have a couple nice pieces but they are really thin and can't afford any injuries....teams like that usually have trouble.

[thethe]

Obviously Kyrie gets hurt they are right back to being a crap team.

Jack was a decent signing but he really fell off a cliff the last 2 months of the year, I wouldn't expect him to be close to what he did last year.

They have a couple nice pieces but they are really thin and can't afford any injuries....teams like that usually have trouble.

I think you are selling them short personally.

Irving
Bynum
Varajao
Thomson
Waiters
Bennett
Jack
Clark
Gee
Zeller

Thats 10 players who are legit NBA guys. Some more than others but I don't see where they are necessarily thinner than most teams.

[BRule]

Zeller and Gee are horrible

Bennett is a rookie

Waiters is a gunner

I like the Cavs, I think they could be a 7 or 8 seed but that's only because they are in the East. Now if you're telling me Jack is going to be the guy from the 1st half last year, Bennett is going to be 17 and 10, Waiters is going to be a poor mans Wade and Kyrie and Bynum are both going to play 70+ games....then sure, they have all the potential in the world. I just don't see that happening next year.

[thethe]

Zeller and Gee are horrible

Bennett is a rookie

Waiters is a gunner

I like the Cavs, I think they could be a 7 or 8 seed but that's only because they are in the East. Now if you're telling me Jack is going to be the guy from the 1st half last year, Bennett is going to be 17 and 10, Waiters is going to be a poor mans Wade and Kyrie and Bynum are both going to play 70+ games....then sure, they have all the potential in the world. I just don't see that happening next year.

Fair enough....

I don't agree that Zeller and Gee are horrible considering they are more than likely the 9/10 players off of the bench. Otherwise, I think what you are saying is fair.

[yeezus]

Give my Sixers a year or two. We're going to suck, get a top three pick in a weak draft and have another first rounder. Noel will put on 100 lbs for 2014-15. We will welcome Wiggins or Parker. and BAM. Championship.

[BRule]

Monta to Dallas for 3 years, up to 30 mil

[acesfull86]

Monta to Dallas for 3 years, up to 30 mil

Cap space not really working out for Dallas.

[elmonthc]

Lulz the cavs bandwagon.

Kyrie isnt staying and bynum is a flake.

Knicks>cavs

[BRule]

Only means something if talent wants to play for you

[thethe]

Only means something if talent wants to play for you

If James goes back then Kyrie will stay.

[sentenza]

Sometimes I only can shake my head!

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1397808.1373696546!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/baron-davis.jpg

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22734810/baron-davis-said-he-was-abducted-by-aliens-about-two-weeks-ago

[NinersSBChamps]

Hawks match offer sheet for Jeff Teague. I believe it was a 4/32 type deal. I wanted Teague back, but at this point I have no idea which direction the Hawks are moving towards. They definitely aren't good enough to compete, but bringing back Korver and Teague, plus adding Millsap keeps the Hawks in playoff contention. No big time free agents want to play in Atlanta. The only hope right now is that Budenholzer gets the most out of the players and they surprise the eastern conference.

[sentenza]

Their drafted Dennis Schröder! He is going to be the next superstar!
(ok, i hope so, probably, or proabaly not!)

[NinersSBChamps]

Their drafted Dennis Schröder! He is going to be the next superstar!
(ok, i hope so, probably, or proabaly not!)

Yeah he looks like he could be something special. Lot's of comparisons to Rajon Rondo. I just don't know how good the competition is in the German leagues.

[sentenza]

in germany he was very good for his age! But he's not a superstar here!
and i don't know if he can do something in the NBA. He's young, so we will see!

here in the german league half of the players are from the US. But nobody who has NBA potential (some former players are here, but nobody was good in the NBA).

[BRule]

MWP clears waivers....clearing the way to sign with his hometown Knicks.

[thethe]

MWP clears waivers....clearing the way to sign with his hometown Knicks.

Is this a good move?

[BRule]

The Knicks need D, no? Knicks need a backup SF, no? Knicks need rebounding, no?

You wouldn't sign him for 1 mil?

[Heyward]

Lulz the cavs bandwagon.

Kyrie isnt staying and bynum is a flake.

Knicks>cavs

Where is Kyrie going?

Some rumors LeBron may go back, makes sense with all the young talent they have.

He's a RFA in a couple years, and Cle will likely match any offer or just extend him outright.

Bynum is all about health, if he's healthy, he's the best big man in basketball, huge if i know.

Knicks are about 5th-6th in the East depending how Bynum is.

[Heyward]

MWP clears waivers....clearing the way to sign with his hometown Knicks.

Would be a good move, Shump is the only real perimeter defender they have.

[thethe]

The Knicks need D, no? Knicks need a backup SF, no? Knicks need rebounding, no?

You wouldn't sign him for 1 mil?

I don't think Artest is that great of a defender anymore. Maybe he was disengaged because of the mess in LA last year but he was not a good defender last year.

[The Chosen One]

Artest isn't a top notch defender anymore. That's why they had Kobe guarding the A player on opposing teams.

[BRule]

Artest isn't a top notch defender anymore. That's why they had Kobe guarding the A player on opposing teams.

LOLWUT

[gilesfan]

Artest isn't a top notch defender anymore. That's why they had Kobe guarding the A player on opposing teams.

lolicopter

[Heyward]

Artest isn't a top notch defender anymore. That's why they had Kobe guarding the A player on opposing teams.

Artest usually guarded the other teams top scorer IE Melo, KD, etc.

[Heyward]

Knicks signed Metta, nice pickup, 2-yr deal.

So...

Felton-Shump-Metta-Melo-Chandler or Felton-Shump-Melo-Bargani-Chandler

With Prigoni, JR Smith, Metta/Shump, Hardaway, and Amare off the bench?

Not bad.

[BRule]

RT @mettaworldpeace: Where Brooklyn at?

[thethe]

RT @mettaworldpeace: Where Brooklyn at?

It begins....fun time for New York basketball for sure.

BTW, are we starting to see the trend of players taking less to go to Brooklyn?

[BRule]

Only if they're Russian and get 10 mil under the table ....

[thethe]

Only if they're Russian and get 10 mil under the table ....

Blatche!

But yeah, that Kirilenko deal is shady. Not sure if I like that honestly.

[acesfull86]

If only we picked Artest instead of French Toast all those years ago.....cool to see Artest finally playing for the Knicks. Long time coming.

[Bdawg2309]

J.r smith out 4 months

Lulz Knicks for singing him, knowing he was hurt

[The Chosen One]

WHO DARE CHANGE THE NAME OF THIS THREAD!?

:catfight:

[BRule]

J.r smith out 4 months

Lulz Knicks for singing him, knowing he was hurt

He's gonna be ready for opening night.

OMG LULZ

[Bdawg2309]

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356927201809149952

[thethe]

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356927201809149952

LULZ KNICKS!!!!

[Heyward]

Nets > Knicks!

[NinersSBChamps]

Elton Brand signed with the Hawks. Not sure what Ferry's obsession is with undersized guards and forwards.

[BRule]

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/356927201809149952

Clearly you don't follow the Knicks, if you did....you'd know Isola kills the Knicks at every chance he gets.

Let's not take the word of surgeons who say it's a common surgery and not a big deal....let's take the word of a beat writer who hates the Knicks because they took away his access to players and coaches

[Heyward]

Elton Brand signed with the Hawks. Not sure what Ferry's obsession is with undersized guards and forwards.

Or being mediocre.

[NinersSBChamps]

Or being mediocre.

Which is my issue with Ferry. Either blow it up completely and hopefully land a top lottery pick next season or go for broke. He missed out on every top free agent because nobody wants to play in Atlanta. This treading water crap isn't working. Unless the Hawks hit on a couple draft picks in the middle of round 1, they aren't going to improve much or get much worse.

[acesfull86]

At least there's this:

The New York Knicks and J.R. Smith agreed to a three-year, $17.95 million agreement and not the widely reported four-year, $24.5 million deal.

The contract calls for Smith to make $5.57 million next season and $5.98 million in 2014-15, with a third-year player option at $6.4 million.

Smith had two surgeries on Monday, one to repair damage to his patella tendon and another for a teal of the lateral meniscus. Smith may need three to four months of recovery.

Via Howard Beck/New York Times

[BRule]

OMG THE KNICKS GAVE OUT A GOOD CONTRACT, WHAT IDIOTS

[thethe]

OMG THE KNICKS GAVE OUT A GOOD CONTRACT, WHAT IDIOTS

Thats debateable.

[The Chosen One]

I think I offended Brule's blackness by changing the thread title to "Run-Shoot-Steal Sport Discussion" because either he or Zito changed it back (don't know which since I have no idea how ot access moderator logs yet). One changed it back to NBA thread... I'm betting it was Brule since he's black. :popcorn:

[BRule]

Thats debateable.

So signing the 6th man of the year to a 2 year deal worth 11 mil is debatable as a good contract? Interesting.

[BRule]

I think I offended Brule's blackness by changing the thread title to "Run-Shoot-Steal Sport Discussion" because either he or Zito changed it back (don't know which since I have no idea how ot access moderator logs yet). One changed it back to NBA thread... I'm betting it was Brule since he's black. :popcorn:

Tennis is ghey

[The Chosen One]

Tennis is ghey
For you blackman.

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/01/Serena.jpg

[BRule]

PAWG >

[The Chosen One]

PAWG >
:confused:

[BRule]

Google image search

Just not from a work CPU

[The Chosen One]

Well i'm at a work CPU, and I googled it.

I forgot you're an oreo my nickel.

[BRule]

All true men of darkness perfer the PAWG over all....smh at you for not knowing this.

[The Chosen One]

All true men of darkness perfer the PAWG over all....smh at you for not knowing this.

IDK. I mean you can't tell me Trayvon was just being friendly to Rachel Jeantel and didn't call her fat like everyone else just because he was "friendly". I know he wanted to get domed and turned. :icwudt:

[BRule]

She wanted the D but she wasn't a PAWG

[BRule]

Byron Mullens to LAC for 2 years....why? I have no idea

[gilesfan]

So apparently McLemore can't go left and teams are abusing him. Seems about right for Sacremento.

[Heyward]

Probably posted, but already the Melo/LeBron LA rumors.

Better shot at Melo given he's good friends with Kobe, and he lives in LA in the summer.

If they lose in the 1st round again, which is a very good possibility, chances he bolts NY?

[NinersSBChamps]

Probably posted, but already the Melo/LeBron LA rumors.

Better shot at Melo given he's good friends with Kobe, and he lives in LA in the summer.

If they lose in the 1st round again, which is a very good possibility, chances he bolts NY?

If James really needs to team up with Carmelo to keep winning than you can stop all these comparisons to all time great players. The guy is a huge *****.

[Heyward]

So apparently McLemore can't go left and teams are abusing him. Seems about right for Sacremento.

Summer League, like Preseason, who cares?

[Heyward]

If James really needs to team up with Carmelo to keep winning than you can stop all these comparisons to all time great players. The guy is a huge *****.

It's already over as far as i'm concerned.

Him teaming with Wade/Bosh, and other great players they have proves he isn't that competitive.

You didn't see MJ saying hey Kareem/Magic/Worthy, let's team up b/c i can't win. He wanted to beat their brains in, not the other way around.

[BRule]

So apparently McLemore can't go left and teams are abusing him. Seems about right for Sacremento.

You know I wasn't a Mac fan, he is a dunker and spot up shooter....can he get better? Of course, but I didn't get the hype. I have no problem with the Kings taking him because he fell and it was a crappy draft but I had to LOL at all the Mac will go 1 talk.

Also, LULZ at anyone who believes the Melo OR Bron to LA rumors, much less, BOTH.

[Bdawg2309]

ESPN is full of ****, why the hell would lebron even consider going to LA, to live in kobe's shadow??
it would be funny to see all the kobe nut riders hop on to lebron's nuts.

[Heyward]

ESPN is full of ****, why the hell would lebron even consider going to LA, to live in kobe's shadow??
it would be funny to see all the kobe nut riders hop on to lebron's nuts.

The only way i could see it happen is if they kept Dwight, obviously that didn't happen, and B, if Kobe wasn't there.

He plans to play another 3 years or so.

Don't see LeBron helping Kobe get his 6th, i give Melo a better shot but NY can give him the most $$. Both are slim, but Melo is the best shot, albeit really unlikely but i wouldn't rule it out.

[Heyward]

Cause OKC went so far last year

BOOM roasted

If OKC kept Harden maybe you'd have a poitn.

No.

If Westbrook doesnt go down, they probably make the Finals.

Im sure Mia wins a title without LBJ or Wade. Same if SA lost TD or TP.

[Heyward]

Clips upgraded at coach, wings and bench....

GS got Iggy

Houston got Dwight and probably Ryan Anderson

Spurs added Belinelli

What has PRESTI done?

When Hou gets Anderson, ok. Otherwise, no better than 4-6.

Spurs are literally the same team but added Beli and are a year older.

Clips added a bunch if role players.

At the end of the day, OKC has twos top 5 players, at worst top 10. No one else in the conference does.

[BRule]

When Hou gets Anderson, ok. Otherwise, no better than 4-6.

Spurs are literally the same team but added Beli and are a year older.

Clips added a bunch if role players.

At the end of the day, OKC has twos top 5 players, at worst top 10. No one else in the conference does.

LOL at LAC only adding role players

Also, Dwight and Harden

[Heyward]

LOL at LAC only adding role players

Also, Dwight and Harden

Dudley/Collison/Redick/Hollins/Barnes are role players. Are they not?

Neither are top 10.

In no order.

RW, KD, Rose, Bron, Wade, Kobe, Kyrie, CP3, Love, Parker.

[BRule]

Dudley/Collison/Redick/Hollins/Barnes are role players. Are they not?

Neither are top 10.

In no order.

RW, KD, Rose, Bron, Wade, Kobe, Kyrie, CP3, Love, Parker.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

So much fail, in such a short space, don't ever change.

[yeezus]

Dudley/Collison/Redick/Hollins/Barnes are role players. Are they not?

Neither are top 10.

In no order.

RW, KD, Rose, Bron, Wade, Kobe, Kyrie, CP3, Love, Parker.

Kevin Love over Dwight? That can't be serious.
I also take Harden over Wade, Kyrie, and Love. Hell I'd take Curry over those three.

[Heyward]

Kevin Love over Dwight? That can't be serious.
I also take Harden over Wade, Kyrie, and Love. Hell I'd take Curry over those three.

Dont see why not.

Kevin Love is a great passer, unlimited range, and can actually hit FT's unlike Dwight.

[Heyward]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

So much fail, in such a short space, don't ever change.

Outside of the top 10 whats not true?

And the Clips lost Bledsoe whose a beast. And did they add a superstar im missing?

[BRule]

Kyrie, Wade, TP and a broken Kobe in the top 10 TROLALALALALALALALALALALALALA

[BRule]

Outside of the top 10 whats not true?

And the Clips lost Bledsoe whose a beast. And did they add a superstar im missing?

JJ > Bledsoe

[Heyward]

JJ > Bledsoe

Nope.

[Heyward]

Kyrie, Wade, TP and a broken Kobe in the top 10 TROLALALALALALALALALALALALALA

Fine, take out TP and Kyrie.

Add Melo/Marc Gasol.

Evens out.

No one knows how Kobe will come back.

[yeezus]

Fine, take out TP and Kyrie.

Add Melo/Marc Gasol.

Evens out.

No one knows how Kobe will come back.

I'm not even a huge Dwight fan but there's now way Love and Gasol are better than him.
And there's no way Wade is currently top-10.

[Heyward]

I'm not even a huge Dwight fan but there's now way Love and Gasol are better than him.
And there's no way Wade is currently top-10.

Love and Marc are easily better.

Which 10 are better than Wade.

[BRule]

Nope.

Having a backup PG to CP3 over an actual starting 2 guard that can camp out and drain 3's is sooooooooooooooooo much more important to LAC.

JJ, Dudley, Collison > Bledsoe

You. lose.

[yeezus]

Love and Marc are easily better.

Which 10 are better than Wade.

How the hell are they easily better? Because they shoot free throws better? There's not a team in the league that would take either of them over Howard if salary was no concern.

[BRule]

How the hell are they easily better? Because they shoot free throws better? There's not a team in the league that would take either of them over Howard if salary was no concern.

Talking to Heyward about any sport is the most pointless thing you could ever do.

[Heyward]

How the hell are they easily better? Because they shoot free throws better? There's not a team in the league that would take either of them over Howard if salary was no concern.

Better passers, better offensive games, actually have post moves among other things. And yes can hit FT's.

Maybe not easily but I'd take both over him without a doubt.

[Heyward]

Having a backup PG to CP3 over an actual starting 2 guard that can camp out and drain 3's is sooooooooooooooooo much more important to LAC.

JJ, Dudley, Collison > Bledsoe

You. lose.

I dont disagree but they will miss Bledsoe.

Not all that much better than last year.

Doc Rivers is the best move they made.

[gilesfan]

Summer League, like Preseason, who cares?


He'll have to learn how, right?

[Heyward]

He'll have to learn how, right?

What the **** are you talking about?

[gilesfan]

Someone putWade in the top 10? And over Harden?

Someone say Love and Gasol are better than Howard?

[Heyward]

Someone putWade in the top 10? And over Harden?

Someone say Love and Gasol are better than Howard?

Yup.

Yes, because it's true, Howard is a liability late in games.

[gilesfan]

So Shaq sucked? Wilt chamberlain?

Lol off Wade.

[Heyward]

Houston now working on a sign and trade for Josh Smith for Asik.

And just like that the West is absolutely loaded at the top. Just another reason you don't trade Harden....good luck coming out of the West

Ok genius.

What should they of done.

Keep him, and have him walk.

He wasn't signing for anything short of a max, so you're wrong again, per usual.

And Houston is still like 4th-6th as of now, Dwight isn't even much of an upgrade over Asik tbh.

[Heyward]

So Shaq sucked? Wilt chamberlain?

Lol off Wade.

Prime Shaq is arguably the most dominating player ever.

Dwight isn't in the same class as him.

And Wilt is a top 5 player ever, and Shaq top 10.

Awful comparison.

Howard is barely top 50-60 if that.

[gilesfan]

Barely over Asik

[gilesfan]

But how so? They were liabilities late in games

[Heyward]

That's true but Shaq could at least score offensively in his prime at an elite clip.

Dwight has no post moves...

[Heyward]

Barely over Asik

Yes, barely.

Asik averaged 11/11 or near that, and is a pretty good post defender,

He probably wasn't leaving LA but they should of went after Paul..l

[gilesfan]

And DH is a 20/14 guy that is the best post defender in basketball.

[Heyward]

And DH is a 20/14 guy that is the best post defender in basketball.

Who can't hit free throws and had back surgery...

[thethe]

Whoa now....I don't like Dwight at all but he is much better than Asik.

Howard is extremely overrated though.