Sanders

[57Brave]

"what a long strange trip it's been"

My opinion from day one was Sen Sanders wanted a seat at the (D) leadership table never giving a thought to the possibility of maybe that he'd be sitting at the head of that table.
As the campaign season winds down and it becomes obvious he won't be the nominee he has the role that to my mind best suits him. The one I'd always hoped Ralph Nader would adopt. The ideo;ogocal conscience of the party. Along the (R) lines of current day Rush Limbaugh or days past Wm F Buckley.
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There is this development.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-bill-bernie-california-20160523-snap-story.html

Face saving on all sides and uniting to win not only the POTUS but winning back the congress.
I think , the signal of who got what out of the deal will be evidenced by the future of Debbie Wasserman Shultz. Sanders called for her dismissll yesterday.
Let's see what happens there.
Interesting times


“What is in my view our strength and what is literally unique among major countries around the world is our diversity,” Sanders told thousands of supporters Sunday at Rancho Buena Vista High School in Vista, in northern San Diego County. “The fact that right now, in this beautiful stadium, I would guess there are people who come from more than 100 countries all over the world.… We come from every part of the world; that is our strength. And we will not allow anybody, any Trump or anyone else, to divide us up.”

And from Bill Clinton on Saturday afternoon at Ganesha High School in Pomona:

“If you look around this crowd, you represent one vision of America’s future,” he said. “All of your diversity, from every continent, dozens of countries, believing that we can live here together as one.… We all can honor our diversity. Because we believe our common humanity is more important.”

[57Brave]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/24/can-bernie-sanders-actually-hurt-hillary-clinton-on-his-way-out/


Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are now in an extended process of negotiating the terms of his surrender. But I’m beginning to wonder if Sanders understands just how few cards he has left to play.

[bravos4evr]

He's a nutjob. a deranged fantasist with no connection with reality. He never has had a real job in his life and spent most of it whining about how unfair the world is. Well buddy boy, grown ups understand that life isn't fair once age 25 sets in. They wake up every morning and live their lives, they don't beg for mommy govt to hold their hand for the rest of their existence. If the DEM gives him any input on future policy they will be making a serious mistake. The last thing this country needs is an antiquated socialist in a position of power.

[Garmel]

He's a nutjob. a deranged fantasist with no connection with reality. He never has had a real job in his life and spent most of it whining about how unfair the world is. Well buddy boy, grown ups understand that life isn't fair once age 25 sets in. They wake up every morning and live their lives, they don't beg for mommy govt to hold their hand for the rest of their existence. If the DEM gives him any input on future policy they will be making a serious mistake. The last thing this country needs is an antiquated socialist in a position of power.

Just a heads up. 57Brave and goldfly are the nutty libs on this board and I wouldn't take anything they write seriously. They make our old buddy Poe of Chopnation look sane. :)

[sturg33]

So coke had to stop making soda in Venezueala due to a shortage of sugar...

My guess is Sanders thinks this is a good thing now since the 1% won't be able to drink a coke now like the rest of the country

[57Brave]

n there you go:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/281147-dems-discuss-dropping-wasserman-schultz

watching national politics are best when your team sucks

[sturg33]

n there you go:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/281147-dems-discuss-dropping-wasserman-schultz

watching national politics are best when your team sucks

No... what sucks is when a nationally adored candidate publicly supported bread lines as a good thing... and the country is actually too dumb to figure out why that's a problem...

[57Brave]

According to my sources, Sen Sanders has lost the primary.
By your standards, some (an advantage of over 3 million primary voters ) are not " too dumb to figure out why that's a problem... "
You seem to have trouble distinguishing topics.
As to whether the board is discussing policies or politics or even personalities.
Kinda as if we were watching a ball game and you implore Brian Snitker to bring out the field goal team with 2 outs in the 8th man on second and AJ due up
I digress

The conversation is now how will he assimilate to mainstream (D) .
A political (process) conversation

Not whether staunch college Republicans agree with his policies or take the time to poke holes in his proposals.
Would be akin to ---- me ranting on the merits or demerits of Darrell Issa or Carly Fiorina or (for you Hawk) Chris Christie.
Speaking of Christie, do you think Sanders will be forced to bow and scrape in public at the beckoning of HRC the way the good Governor was last seen with Trump.
Or will HRC take it to the nextlevel of humiliation by making fun of his weight (in CC's case) at a public event ?
That **** should be up our new posters alley. You know the one, he introduced himself as not a Limbaughian then preceded to parrot each and every Rushism from the past 25 years.
Does anyone else get the impression that Christie secretly late at night hopes he is on that indictment list due out later this week ?
I don't know. I hear the Oreo's are as good in Lewisberg as they are in West Palm

So please try to stay on topic rather than just yelling out some irrelevant nonsense just because -- well, just because


Maybe this is why you feel you are paying 48% tax rate and weathered a 150% increase in HC insurance
I'm here for ya

...

Now, I have to go to work to pay the taxes your standard bearer ... (fill in the blank)

[sturg33]

Math is really hard for you, isn't it?

[57Brave]

no

[goldfly]

Just a heads up. 57Brave and goldfly are the nutty libs on this board and I wouldn't take anything they write seriously.

who are you again?

[Krgrecw]

So Sanders is against the death penalty for Dylann Roof?


And people back Sanders

[zitothebrave]

So Sanders is against the death penalty for Dylann Roof?


And people back Sanders

I'm against the death penalty for him as well. As with Senator Sanders I agree that people who commit heinous crimes should serve life without parole. I cannot really think of a time the death penalty would be necessary unless you had like some criminal who kept escaping jail over and over again. But I feel like with modern technology, that shouldn't really happen ever or at all. Give them life without parole and for the really heinous ones like this ****er, he should have a tracker implanted in him if he does escape that shocks the living hell out of him.

[bravos4evr]

Just a heads up. 57Brave and goldfly are the nutty libs on this board and I wouldn't take anything they write seriously. They make our old buddy Poe of Chopnation look sane. :)

hey! who were you at chopnation?

[bravos4evr]

I'm against the death penalty for him as well. As with Senator Sanders I agree that people who commit heinous crimes should serve life without parole. I cannot really think of a time the death penalty would be necessary unless you had like some criminal who kept escaping jail over and over again. But I feel like with modern technology, that shouldn't really happen ever or at all. Give them life without parole and for the really heinous ones like this ****er, he should have a tracker implanted in him if he does escape that shocks the living hell out of him.

tell that to the victims families..... I've often thought that the family of murder victims should determine the sentence, not a judge or jury (unless that is the family's choice)

the problem with the death penalty is the way it is used and abused . Appeals take too long, it costs too much...etc If we could have a system where people convicted with DNA evidence are just taken out back and shot then I think the idea of it as both punishment and deterrent might actually come into effect. Right now, you get the death penalty odds are you will die in a prison cell and even in a state like Texas or Georgia, it takes like 13 years before the avg person is put to death.

as far as eliminating it? IMO, as long as there are Ted Bundys in the world, we will need to ensure they never can get back into society again.

[bravos4evr]

So Sanders is against the death penalty for Dylann Roof?


And people back Sanders

not people, Millennials. spoiled, entitled little children who spent their entire lives being told how special and important they are. you know, idiots!

[Garmel]

hey! who were you at chopnation?

Garydee

[zitothebrave]

tell that to the victims families..... I've often thought that the family of murder victims should determine the sentence, not a judge or jury (unless that is the family's choice)

the problem with the death penalty is the way it is used and abused . Appeals take too long, it costs too much...etc If we could have a system where people convicted with DNA evidence are just taken out back and shot then I think the idea of it as both punishment and deterrent might actually come into effect. Right now, you get the death penalty odds are you will die in a prison cell and even in a state like Texas or Georgia, it takes like 13 years before the avg person is put to death.

as far as eliminating it? IMO, as long as there are Ted Bundys in the world, we will need to ensure they never can get back into society again.

I'm sure the victims families enjoy the trial being rehashed everytime they go through an appeal. I don't think the family should determine it, as I can see that quite easily becoming cruel and unusual punishment. Or what if you had a family who didn't wish the person to go to jail or die?

IMO one innocent person killed by government is entirely too much.

[goldfly]

everyone should be against the death penalty

no matter who it is

[bravos4evr]

I'm sure the victims families enjoy the trial being rehashed everytime they go through an appeal. I don't think the family should determine it, as I can see that quite easily becoming cruel and unusual punishment. Or what if you had a family who didn't wish the person to go to jail or die?

IMO one innocent person killed by government is entirely too much.

that's going to become less and less possible with the advent of DNA and other forensic evidence. and honestly, I'd prefer one innocent man dies if it means 5000 filthy animals die. I'll even grant you that they should only use the death penalty if the defendant is convicted with DNA evidence. But in those cases, fry em. I will volunteer to pull the switch in every state for every single on of them.

[goldfly]

I'd prefer one innocent man dies if it means 5000 filthy animals die.

easy for you to say

I will agree with Blackstone on the issue though

[zitothebrave]

that's going to become less and less possible with the advent of DNA and other forensic evidence. and honestly, I'd prefer one innocent man dies if it means 5000 filthy animals die. I'll even grant you that they should only use the death penalty if the defendant is convicted with DNA evidence. But in those cases, fry em. I will volunteer to pull the switch in every state for every single on of them.

Yeah, but still

https://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/2013/06/28/how-innocent-mans-dna-was-found-at-killing-scene/

[zitothebrave]

To add, in that scenario, that innocent man who was convicted of murder with DNA by what you want would be taken out back and shot, and the real killer would be out there free and an innocent man would have died. Humans make mistakes so DNA evidence can be wrong.

[bravos4evr]

To add, in that scenario, that innocent man who was convicted of murder with DNA by what you want would be taken out back and shot, and the real killer would be out there free and an innocent man would have died. Humans make mistakes so DNA evidence can be wrong.

DNA can't be wrong.... unless you have an identical twin. why are people such weenies about killing the scum of humanity? don't have the stomach for it, fine, you don't have to do it. you gonna look in the face of the victim's family of a child murderer and rage about the mean terrible punishment of the death penalty??? what about the victim's suffering? what about their rights? but we should spend tax dollars keeping these monsters in prison watching TV eating junk food for the rest of their lives???? Prison is no picnic, but it's a helluva lot better than dying. Unless you want to give them mandatory 24 hour lockup, no recreation time. but no that's "cruel and unusual punishment" what a crock of namby pamby horse****

[zitothebrave]

Did you read my link? DNA can be processed wrong, you can have odd transferring of DNA, etc. DNA doesn't lie, but the situation around how it got there can be.

[sturg33]

Haven't verified this but Sanders tweeted that he'll be debating Trump before the Cali primary

[AerchAngel]

Haven't verified this but Sanders tweeted that he'll be debating Trump before the Cali primary

And what is kind of neat, they both have similar philosophies mainly in the ISOLATIONISTS policies, something Crooked Hillary is against because she needs that money from the foreign contacts, namely Muslims, to build up her private coffers. Frankly the debate is going to be about nothing as they would have a lot of common ground. Trump is a Libertarian for the most part and that is why his own party is kind of like WTF do we do with him issue.

[sturg33]

And what is kind of neat, they both have similar philosophies mainly in the ISOLATIONISTS policies, something Crooked Hillary is against because she needs that money from the foreign contacts, namely Muslims, to build up her private coffers. Frankly the debate is going to be about nothing as they would have a lot of common ground. Trump is a Libertarian for the most part and that is why his own party is kind of like WTF do we do with him issue.

This is not the case at all

[AerchAngel]

This is not the case at all

Yes, it is. Trumps wants our troops out of Asia and most of Europe, just like Sanders. He wants to overturn the trade agreements. He wants all the jobs to return to our soil. All Sanders' points. He wants the Federal courts out of States rights and I think he said they have no business dictating their interpretation of the Constitution, which they exploit due to their leaning. He wants to curtail Wall St as well.

Are these not Sanders positions as well?

[acesfull86]

The two biggest clowns in national politics... I'll watch for the entertainment value

[AerchAngel]

The two biggest clowns in national politics... I'll watch for the entertainment value

Both are better than Crooked Hillary who would probably sell nuke codes or secrets for the right price and then lie to our face about doing it.

[57Brave]

A year ago you were singing the praises of Bill Cosby and what a wonderful role model.

Perhaps rethinking your decision making process ?

[AerchAngel]

A year ago you were singing the praises of Bill Cosby and what a wonderful role model.

Perhaps rethinking your decision making process ?

Sure was and was primed set and ready to vote for Clinton until the "TRUTH" came out.

You see how that works. When people hide things or when there is some sort of evidence comes out, I actually changed my mind unlike Liberals and Dumicrats who rather cling to a liar, crook, murderer or in some blacks I know still thinks Cosby is innocent or don't care....you know kind of remind me of them voting Democrat no matter how much they have been used and abused in the process or better yet kept down for the man. Poor us need the man to keep a roof over our head and our mouths fed with food but don't want to do what I did or my parents did, go to school, get a good job, stay with the family (almost 50 years for my parents) and not use your dick and impregnate every girl you come across but when child support comes "It is not mine" and then see them on Springer/Maury. No wonder Democrats go for the lowest hanging fruit. Promise them fruit and they will come.

I unhinged myself from ilk like that (Crooked Hillary). Just like I unhinged myself from sexual predators like Cosby

[57Brave]

The "truth"???

like the truth that Ted Cruz' father was a part of the Kennedy assassination

[AerchAngel]

The "truth"???

like the truth that Ted Cruz' father was a part of the Kennedy assassination

Immaterial to me. He is a known clown but the lesser of two evils. That laughable "truth" did not give him favors, hurt our countries position with the world, allowing foreign entities nab a few of our secrets for money (laundered through supposed foundations or power (in lieu of 'favors'), which Crooked Hillary has done and refuses to allow the government inspectors to do their job because she is hiding something.

All it does it put mud on his face and only hurts him personally, but lying Crooked Hillary can hurt our country and the safety of our citizens for personal power and wealth.

[57Brave]

What should be material to you is he will appoint Supreme Court Justices that are hell bent on curtailing your voting rights based on skin color
All because you don't want to wake up with a 68 year old woman or some half baked uneducated notion of illegality or malfeasance

No, should you scratch the surface there is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. There are two choices
You predictably choose the white male with the neat car that brags about the size of his penis.

[AerchAngel]

What should be material to you is he will appoint Supreme Court Justices that are hell bent on curtailing your voting rights based on skin color
All because you don't want to wake up with a 68 year old woman or some half baked uneducated notion of illegality or malfeasance

No, should you scratch the surface there is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. There are two choices
You predictably choose the white male with the neat car that brags about the size of his penis.

Who said I chose him? I rather have him than a lying crook who would sell our country to the lowest bidder for power and money.

If the old lying Crook-bent hag let them investigate properly without stonewalling I would sing a different tune. What is she hiding?

Unfortunately Dems do not have common sense as it doesn't matter the crime or heinous it is to them they will vote that way anyhoo, just like my race would. I think of our country first, the integrity, the brevity and most important heart which the old Crooked hag has none in any of it. She is out for her, her dick wielding husband and ditzy daughter.

I know my boy Johnson has no chance, nor those moon man Sanders but Trump is in 3rd on my list followed by Hillary who is not even on the chart until she gives us full disclosure on all of her emails and quit stonewalling. If you're innocent, then fess the fuc* up and show us then and quit bulls*itting.

[AerchAngel]

What should be material to you is he will appoint Supreme Court Justices that are hell bent on curtailing your voting rights based on skin color
All because you don't want to wake up with a 68 year old woman or some half baked uneducated notion of illegality or malfeasance

No, should you scratch the surface there is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. There are two choices
You predictably choose the white male with the neat car that brags about the size of his penis.

Right, says 1965. Oh they called Steak Sauce, Time Machines do not work in the modern era.

[zitothebrave]

I know my boy Johnson has no chance, nor those moon man Sanders but Trump is in 3rd on my list followed by Hillary who is not even on the chart until she gives us full disclosure on all of her emails and quit stonewalling. If you're innocent, then fess the fuc* up and show us then and quit bulls*itting.

Johnson doesn't have the Libertarian nomination yet. Though he is likely to get it. 538 says it could be the best 3rd party run in a long time.

[weso1]

This debate will be a 2 hour ad against Hillary with tens of millions of folks watching. They'll hit it each other, but those blows will be immediately softened by the replies.

[weso1]

I just don't like Gary Johnson.

[Krgrecw]

This debate will be a 2 hour ad against Hillary with tens of millions of folks watching. They'll hit it each other, but those blows will be immediately softened by the replies.



Trump could very easily knock out Sanders in a debate. Trump could come out a big winner

[jpx7]

Johnson doesn't have the Libertarian nomination yet. Though he is likely to get it. 538 says it could be the best 3rd party run in a long time.

It's going to be very interesting. Jill Stein seems poised to poach a good number of progressives who supported Sanders but will be disenchanted with the party when Sanders eventually concedes, endorses Clinton, and she proceeds to disregard any and all contributions from his selections for the DNC platform committee.

[sturg33]

Then last 3 national polls that included Gary Johnson have him polling in double digits... The data is saying he is taking a but more from the democrats, but it's mostly split

[57Brave]

His cumulative polling is 10%. Interesting is if Johnson picks up 5% more and that is very feasible he gets to the debate sage

[57Brave]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/21/bernie-sanders-learn-jesse-jackson-joy-reid