5/28 SATURDAY'S MINOR LEAGUE THREAD ...

[rico43]

SATURDAY'S MINOR LEAGUE RESULTS

CLASS AAA

Syracuse 6, Gwinnett 5

SP: Banuelos 3.2 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K
Wooten 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K, WP
Johnson 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K
Harrell 0.1 IP, 1 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 0 K
Alvarez 0.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, WP (debut)
LP: Texeira (1-4) 2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K

Ruiz 1-2, R, 2 HBP
Bonafacion 1-4, 2B, 2 RBI
Albies 1-5, R, RBI, E (11th)
Lalli 1-2, R, 2 RBI

CLASS AA

Mississipppi 6, Jacksonville 2

WP: Whalen (3-4) 6 IP, 4 H, 0 ER(2R), 2 BB, 8 K
Cabrera 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K
Younginer 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Lipka 1-4, 3B, R, RBI, SB
Swanson 2-4, HR (4th), RBI
Lara 2-4, 2B, HR (3rd), RBI
Rojas 2-2, 2B, R, RBI

ADVANCED CLASS A

Frederick 4, Carolina 1

LP: Clark (0-5) 6 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
O'Neal 1 IP, 1 H, 0 ER(1R), 0 BB, 1 K
Salazar 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Odom 2-4, 2B, RBI
Curcio 1-4
Davidson 0-3, 2 K

CLASS A

Rome 9, Greenville 8
Walk-off win

SP: Weigel 5 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 8 K
G. Jones 1 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 0 K
WP: Sobotka (1-1) 3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K

Riley 2-4, R, K
Didder 2-4, 2B, 2 R, BB
Dykstra 1-5, 2B, 2 R, RBI (GW on throwing error on Dykstra FC)
Morales 1-3, 2B, 2 R, 2 RBI, BB

[Garmel]

Swanson hit his 4th home run tonight.

[dak]

Solid start for Whalen: 6 IP, 4H, 2 BB, 8 K, 0 ER. I think he has a chance to be of similar value to Ellis.

[msstate7]

Albies with his 11th error tonight

[cajunrevenge]

From what I have seen of Gwinnett play I would bet atleast half of those errors on Albies would have been prevented if Freeman was the 1B. A lot of times its guys at 1B who are really DH's that can only make the routine plays.

[KB21]

From what I have seen of Gwinnett play I would bet atleast half of those errors on Albies would have been prevented if Freeman was the 1B. A lot of times its guys at 1B who are really DH's that can only make the routine plays.

Wait. I've been told that Freeman isn't a good defender at 1B, and his ability to shorten throws to 1B don't have any effect on the game.

[bravos4evr]

Wait. I've been told that Freeman isn't a good defender at 1B, and his ability to shorten throws to 1B don't have any effect on the game.

he is about avg overall,and scoops doesn't really impact the game much. Best way to tell the difference is to look aat DRS (which includes scoops) vs UZR (which does not) Freeman grades out better at DRS, but not enough to think he's an elite or even above avg player there. This article explains it all pretty well :http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2013/9/13/4720036/can-you-dig-it-a-look-at-first-basemen-scoops

[bravos4evr]

To add to my above post: Freeman,since 2011 has 3 DRS (which puts him 36th among 115 1b with at least 300 innings during that time) and a UZR/150 of -1.6 which puts him 63rd of 115) IF, you require 1000 innings he becomes 25th of 53 in DRS and 32 of 53 in UZR/150.

that looks like the definition of dead avg to me.

[Braves1976]

To add to my above post: Freeman,since 2011 has 3 DRS (which puts him 36th among 115 1b with at least 300 innings during that time) and a UZR/150 of -1.6 which puts him 63rd of 115) IF, you require 1000 innings he becomes 25th of 53 in DRS and 32 of 53 in UZR/150.

that looks like the definition of dead avg to me.

Freeman issue at first is usually not as much range as some of the best there. He has a strong arm but also not as accurate with it on throws to second as you see with the best like Goldy for example. He is among the best at scoops and his reach certainly helps defenders too.

[bravos4evr]

sure, but the difference between the best in scoops and the worst is only a few runs a year which doesn't add much defensive value. Not as much as range does. Taking away doubles down the line like Goldy, Rizzo and Tex do helps a lot

[Braves1976]

sure, but the difference between the best in scoops and the worst is only a few runs a year which doesn't add much defensive value. Not as much as range does. Taking away doubles down the line like Goldy, Rizzo and Tex do helps a lot

I understand, I wasn't saying that to disagree at all. I agree with you, I was just pointing out his weakness and strengths to support your point.

[chop2chip]

sure, but the difference between the best in scoops and the worst is only a few runs a year which doesn't add much defensive value. Not as much as range does. Taking away doubles down the line like Goldy, Rizzo and Tex do helps a lot
I think Cajun's original point wasn't about Freddie's defensive value, but more so about Freddie helping with Albies throwing errors.

[msstate7]

Maybe the argument wasn't that FF is great at 1b, but they FF is far superior to the 1b at Gwinnett

[bravos4evr]

I understand, I wasn't saying that to disagree at all. I agree with you, I was just pointing out his weakness and strengths to support your point.

oh.. my bad, damned internet and tone of voice sometimes don't work together very well

[bravos4evr]

I think Cajun's original point wasn't about Freddie's defensive value, but more so about Freddie helping with Albies throwing errors.

I tend to think Albies could probably use another year in AAA boning up on his defense, his bat is almost ready, but his defense shows he's still a kid. and maybe he ends up at 2b?

[nsacpi]

I tend to think Albies could probably use another year in AAA boning up on his defense, his bat is almost ready, but his defense shows he's still a kid. and maybe he ends up at 2b?

Yup...he needs the rest of this year and at least a few weeks next year to refine his defense in AAA.

[chipchildress]

I tend to think Albies could probably use another year in AAA boning up on his defense, his bat is almost ready, but his defense shows he's still a kid. and maybe he ends up at 2b?

how could this kid not end up at 2nd with the great white hope at shortstop on the way?

[Enscheff]

I tend to think Albies could probably use another year in AAA boning up on his defense, his bat is almost ready, but his defense shows he's still a kid. and maybe he ends up at 2b?

I think his throwing errors from SS almost certainly makes him the one that will move to 2b when he is playing alongside Swanson.

[rico43]

I tend to think Albies could probably use another year in AAA boning up on his defense, his bat is almost ready, but his defense shows he's still a kid. and maybe he ends up at 2b?

My thinking is that is defensive struggles at Gwinnett are making the Swanson/Albies combo much easier to project as SS/2B. I can see Albies following in the (small) shoes of Hubbard and Lemke as a quality second baseman for a long tenure.

Glenn Hubbard (5'9") 1978-87
Mark Lemke (5'10" yeah, right) 1988-1997

[jpx7]

I still have hope for Banuelos as a starter.

[rico43]

We should not overlook a decent bounce-back outing from Banuelos, who is rapidly becoming the forgotten man in this deck of would-be aces.

[nsacpi]

We should not overlook a decent bounce-back outing from Banuelos, who is rapidly becoming the forgotten man in this deck of would-be aces.

I haven't forgotten him and I'm keeping an open mind about him. But at this point I think he is more likely to end up being a useful bullpen piece than a part of a major league rotation.