Bud Norris to Dodgers

[Oklahomabrave]

Per Rosenthal

[CJ9]

Per Rosenthal. No return announced yet.

[bravesfanMatt]

Per Rosenthal. No return announced yet.

shoot.. I called this earlier today.. I am a freaking genius. I have no clue on the return though..

[The Chosen One]

Please be Seager Please be Seager

[bravesfanMatt]

Please be Seager Please be Seager

LOL... I would drive to Atlanta and get on my knees in front of Coppi and......













bow down to him.. seriously guys..

[MadduxFanII]

We've also signed Omar Infante to a minor league contract.

The culmination of the re-build comes today!

[Tapate50]

I'm just going to throw a dart in the dark but....


I'm guessing this board will be disappointed with the return.

[Preacher]

I'm just going to throw a dart in the dark but....


I'm guessing this board will be disappointed with the return.

Hahahah you're probably right, but I don't know how anybody can be really dissapointed with a return for Bud Norris. I mean it's Bud Norris.

[bravesfanMatt]

I'm just going to throw a dart in the dark but....


I'm guessing this board will be disappointed with the return.

Not me.. anything is win. I hope his recent surge nets a b- prospect.. but I am a realist too..

[Garmel]

I'm just going to throw a dart in the dark but....


I'm guessing this board will be disappointed with the return.

Accompanied with about 10 pages on how bad our FO is.

[bravesfanMatt]

?@JonHeyman
Braves get 2 pitching prospects in Norris deal from LAD

was hoping for Puig or Pederson.. /s

[SJ24]

2 pitching prospects.

[bravesfanforlife88]

kind of nice to get Infante back on a minor league deal, I always liked him...as far as the return on the trade, i hope Coppy told them he got bent over on the last deal so they need to be a little generous on this one

[striker42]

I really don't care what we get for Norris. Considering how up and down he's been we'll be lucky to get even someone who qualifies as a lottery ticket.

[striker42]

Phillip Pfiefer and Caleb Dirks are the names.

[bravesfanforlife88]

two more pitchers to add to the minor league system

[praeceps93]

Phillip Pfiefer and Caleb Dirks are the names.

Lol didn't we trade them Dirks in the first place?

[bravesfanMatt]

Lol didn't we trade them Dirks in the first place?

yes.. are those confirmed names?

[SJ24]

Phillip Pfeifer . . . 3rd rounder in 2015.

Caleb Dirks. . . drafted in 15th round in 2014. 1.44 ERA in 28 games this season out of the pen at AA.

[CJ9]

About time we got some pitching in this system.

[striker42]

Pretty good deal. Dirks looks like a future setup man and he's not far off. Pfeifer is a lefty with a chance.

[Carp]

Phillip Pfiefer and Caleb Dirks are the names.

pfiggy must be excited, wherever he/she is.

[depley]

Phillip Pfiefer looks to be a lefty relief pitcher 23 and at A ball 2.67 ERA 32 innings 44 strike outs and 21 BB, control seems a bit off but must have decent stuff.
Caleb Dirks Right handed reliever 23 and at AA ball 113 inning 136 Ks 42 BB with a lifetime Milb ERA of 1.43

doesn't look to bad for a guy we got off the scrap heap, and looked lost at the beginning of the year.

[Garmel]

Not a bad return.

[bravesfanMatt]

This is a good trade for both teams really. If Norris can continue to pitch well, the Dodgers got a bargin.. but the Braves cashed in a 'lighting in the bottle' guy for 2 BP arms that could be ready in a year or so.

[MadduxFanII]

It's Bud Norris. Literally anything better than a smallpox-infected blanket is a good return.

[weso1]

That's actually a really good return. I would have been more than happy just getting Dirks.

[50PoundHead]

Lol didn't we trade them Dirks in the first place?

Yes. Dirks went over to them last year with Jordan Paroubeck for slot money.

[striker42]

It's Bud Norris. Literally anything better than a smallpox-infected blanket is a good return.

Hold on now...in this scenario have we been vaccinated? Because a blanket for Norris seems pretty good.

[Oklahomabrave]

We unloaded Toscano too. We owed him a couple million I believe.

[bravesfanMatt]

@Dodgers
#Dodgers have acquired RHP Bud Norris, OF Dian Toscano, a player to be named later and cash considerations from the Atlanta Braves.


this gets better.. we just dumped Toscano on them too.. maybe the player to be named later is HO..

[striker42]

Apparently we're sending cash and a PTBNL as well.

[mqt]

I would have expected Ogando to be involved.

[Tapate50]

They DFA d Ian Thomas as well. Let's nab him

[nsacpi]

We unloaded Toscano too. We owed him a couple million I believe.

We save 3.5M I believe. Not a great trade. But palatable.

[Julio3000]

We save 3.5M I believe. Not a great trade. But palatable.

Is that after the money we're sending?

[bravos4evr]

If on April first you would have told me we would get 2 minor league arms who should contribute at the big league level in some capacity for Bud Norris I would have made that trade right then. so yeah, this is a fine deal for us, even with the cash added in and Toscano.

[50PoundHead]

Scouting report of Pfeifer from the 2015 draft. He was the Dodgers' 3rd round pick out of Vanderbilt.

Link: http://www.truebluela.com/2015/6/9/8753845/mlb-draft-2015-philip-pfeifer-profile

[Julio3000]

Another benefit to the trade is that it arguably puts us back in the running for the #1 pick. With Julion and Bud pitching like bosses and Folty set to return, we were starting to look uncomfortably palatable.

[nsacpi]

Is that after the money we're sending?

No. We owe Toscano about 0.5M this year, 1.3 in 2017, 1.5 in 2018 and a 0.2M payout in 2019.

[NinersSBChamps]

Wow at that Toscana signing! Guess everyone can stfu about international free agent pool money the Braves have since that doesn't exactly work for them. Amazing the complete dismissal of adding offense continues with this organization.

[yeezus]

*PLEASE ALL: JUST IGNORE HIM*

[Preacher]

Curious on how much $$ we are sending and who the PTBNL is.

[Preacher]

Not saying this would EVER happen because it would destroy our relationship with trainers/handlers.

But hypothetically would it be possible to use one of the upcoming J2 signings as a PTBNL in a deal?? Is there a restriction to how soon those players can be dealt after signing?

[bravos4evr]

Wow at that Toscana signing! Guess everyone can stfu about international free agent pool money the Braves have since that doesn't exactly work for them. Amazing the complete dismissal of adding offense continues with this organization.

Toscano wasn't covered by the int free agent pool $$$ and was brought in to hopefully be a 4th OF'er.

[bravos4evr]

*PLEASE ALL: JUST IGNORE HIM*

ooops, i replied before I saw this post...... my bad

[yeezus]

ooops, i replied before I saw this post...... my bad

It's ok this time, but a fine will be placed on your account next time.

[rico43]

Curious on how much $$ we are sending and who the PTBNL is.

"Later" means we won't know right now. But Ogando occurred to me as well.

[bravos4evr]

When I watched the Ms Braves play the Shuckers I spotted Toscano's jersey and was like "AHA!!! so he IS real!"

[Nerfherders]

Good deal for both sides. GREAT timing for the Braves, knowing that Norris is a ticking time bomb of mediocrity.

[dak]

With Norris + Toscano, the Dodgers are taking on ~$5m in salary, with ~$2m of that being 2016 salary. I'd be very pleased if the Braves are just sending $2m and effectively clearing the books of the future commitment to Toscano.

[Tapate50]

Toscano was a good soldier for us, I think. I've never seen him or have proof that he exists, but a good soldier nonetheless.

[nsacpi]

Good deal for both sides. GREAT timing for the Braves, knowing that Norris is a ticking time bomb of mediocrity.

JC did seem to feel an urgency to trade him before his next start.

[dak]

Pfeifer and Dirks don't appear to be anything more than middle-relief prospects, albeit decent ones. I like Akeel Morris from the KJ trade a fair amount more than either of these guys. Seems like a fair trade for both sides assuming the Braves are clearing some future $.

[bravos4evr]

Pfeifer and Dirks don't appear to be anything more than middle-relief prospects, albeit decent ones. I like Akeel Morris from the KJ trade a fair amount more than either of these guys. Seems like a fair trade for both sides assuming the Braves are clearning some future $.

Pfeifer is a K machine, and that's bloody useful! especially for lefty arm even if he is just a setup man one day

[Horsehide Harry]

Looks like the Braves are stacking the middle relief options with these trades.

I think Gant and Whalen both end there. And all the trades made in-season look to be that.

[dak]

Pfeifer is a K machine, and that's bloody useful! especially for lefty arm even if he is just a setup man one day

Definitely like the K rate, but he's also in A ball in his age 24 season. I assume he could move fast though and see AA this season. Although he was a 3rd rounder last year, looks like he was signed way under slot.

[Freshmaker]

Haha

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[bravos4evr]

Haha

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the way the media twisted his words and tried to paint him as a racist I don't blame him for telling them to eat a dong

[pfiggy]

pfiggy must be excited, wherever he/she is.

Yes sir, I nearly peed my pants. :rock:

[sturg33]

Haha

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What am I missing here?

[bravos4evr]

What am I missing here?

reporter is butthurt that Bud wouldn't talk to him in the clubhouse so he posted these rants on his twitter like the spoiled,entitled little child he is.

[jpx7]

And now we can resign Ian Thomas too. #masterstroke

[UNCBlue012]

This is a fantastic trade for us! Our BP is going to be stacked soon

[jpx7]

the way the media twisted his words and tried to paint him as a racist I don't blame him for telling them to eat a dong

Explain?

[bravos4evr]

Explain?

the comments he made that are listed in this article (among others) http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/bud-norris-comments-indicate-that-baseball-in-midst-of-clash-of-cultures/

were taken,by some in the media, as some awful racist tirade, where any reasonable person should be able to understand what he was saying, even if they disagree with it.

[Heyward]

Considering we signed him to a 1 yr prove it deal so to speak this is a fine return.

If we trade Viz, i'd hope for something much better though.

[dak]

I assume the "outside" options would be taking on a bad contract to buy a prospect (or move Markaks / Olivera)?

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[bravos4evr]

I assume the "outside" options would be taking on a bad contract to buy a prospect (or move Markaks / Olivera)?

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Ubaldo for Markakis. I would so do that. We get out from under Markakis and only owe Ubaldo for 1 year. I might even throw in some $$$ to even things out just to clear it a year early.

[jpx7]

the comments he made that are listed in this article (among others) http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/bud-norris-comments-indicate-that-baseball-in-midst-of-clash-of-cultures/

were taken,by some in the media, as some awful racist tirade, where any reasonable person should be able to understand what he was saying, even if they disagree with it.

Thanks for the clarification. He should have fun with Puig.

[NinersSBChamps]

*PLEASE ALL: JUST IGNORE HIM*

How can you continue to defend the front office's lack of even trying to add offense?

[bravos4evr]

Thanks for the clarification. He should have fun with Puig.

hahahaha!!!! I had no considered that! But hell, Puig seemed to have ruffled many feathers over there, but has apparently slowed his roll on acting up.

[NinersSBChamps]

When do these prospects all of sudden have a bright future? Usually minutes after the Braves acquire a player he's all of a sudden a hidden talent. What's wrong?

[dak]

Braves only sent ~$1m in the deal, so saved around $4m. I dig it.


The Braves traded veteran pitcher Bud Norris to the Los Angeles Dodgers on Thursday as the main piece in a deal for two pitching pitching prospects, left-hander Phil Pfeifer and Caleb Dirks.
The Braves also sent minor league outfielder Dian Toscano, a player to be named later and about $1 million to the Dodgers in the trade.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-trade-norris-to-dodgers-for-pitching-prospe/nrqZy/

[thewupk]

hahahaha!!!! I had no considered that! But hell, Puig seemed to have ruffled many feathers over there, but has apparently slowed his roll on acting up.

I bet him sucking ass this year has something to do with it too

[NYCBrave]

Never really understood the Dian Toscano signing, and now it's like the Braves they admitted there was nothing there by dumping him off. The strange part was, you could tell from his track record and upside there wasn't much there in the first place, yet they still gave him a multi year contract.

[cajunrevenge]

Should have held out for Urias. This FO has no idea what it's doing.

[NinersSBChamps]

Never really understood the Dian Toscano signing, and now it's like the Braves they admitted there was nothing there by dumping him off. The strange part was, you could tell from his track record and upside there wasn't much there in the first place, yet they still gave him a multi year contract.



Don't question anything.

[bravos4evr]

Never really understood the Dian Toscano signing, and now it's like the Braves they admitted there was nothing there by dumping him off. The strange part was, you could tell from his track record and upside there wasn't much there in the first place, yet they still gave him a multi year contract.

Well,sure his upside was pretty much 4th OF'er, but, for the $$$ having him for 4 years as a 4th OF'er would have still been cheap. it didn't work out. such is baseball

[SidSlid92]

Seems like a good trade. Real interested to know the PTBNL. That will ultimately determine how good this thing is. Surely that won't be a real significant piece.

[50PoundHead]

the comments he made that are listed in this article (among others) http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/bud-norris-comments-indicate-that-baseball-in-midst-of-clash-of-cultures/

were taken,by some in the media, as some awful racist tirade, where any reasonable person should be able to understand what he was saying, even if they disagree with it.

This is a direct result of pitchers not being able to throw too far inside at hitters anymore. This isn't about a huge influx of Latin guys or any showboating on their (or anyone of any race's) part. It's about there being no consequences for showboating. The game has changed a lot and the showboating doesn't bother me that much, but if Puig had ever shown up Bob Gibson or Don Drysdale, he would have been advised to wear a suit of armor in his next AB.

[Braves1976]

Seems like a good trade. Real interested to know the PTBNL. That will ultimately determine how good this thing is. Surely that won't be a real significant piece.

That's the thing, we don't know who the PTBNL is yet and it may be he's a good solid prospect. I haven't heard anyone ask about that nor did Coppy tell us himself.

[ATLBraves247]

Should have held out for Urias. This FO has no idea what it's doing.

You can't be serious!!!

[Ross7405]

You can't be serious!!!

He wasn't.

[Oklahomahawk]

This is a direct result of pitchers not being able to throw too far inside at hitters anymore. This isn't about a huge influx of Latin guys or any showboating on their (or anyone of any race's) part. It's about there being no consequences for showboating. The game has changed a lot and the showboating doesn't bother me that much, but if Puig had ever shown up Bob Gibson or Don Drysdale, he would have been advised to wear a suit of armor in his next AB.

Eh, they might as well just go ahead and wear their coffin and get it over with.

[dak]

Bud with a great LAD debut last night: 6 scoreless, 2H, 1 BB, 8K. Only 88 pitches.

[NYCBrave]

Well,sure his upside was pretty much 4th OF'er, but, for the $$$ having him for 4 years as a 4th OF'er would have still been cheap. it didn't work out. such is baseball

But why commit that much money to a 4th OF'er with no upside? You can easily get a 4th OF from within the system and pay them the MLB minimum?

[NYCBrave]

That's the thing, we don't know who the PTBNL is yet and it may be he's a good solid prospect. I haven't heard anyone ask about that nor did Coppy tell us himself.

Just hoping the PTBNL isn't anything valuable from our current draft, that we just can't announce yet.

[zbhargrove]

Just hoping the PTBNL isn't anything valuable from our current draft, that we just can't announce yet.

That doesn't make any sense... giving up a valuable piece just to basically unload Norris (who actually had real value) and Toscano? I don't think you guys have to worry... its likely someone injured... my guess is Ogando.

[mqt]

Just hoping the PTBNL isn't anything valuable from our current draft, that we just can't announce yet.

It can't be a draftee and given the return likely won't be too valuable.

[NYCBrave]

It can't be a draftee and given the return likely won't be too valuable.

I thought it CAN be a draftee as long as it's announced next year

[bravesfanMatt]

I thought it CAN be a draftee as long as it's announced next year

Yes. After world seires. I assume if we don't here soon it is someone injured or drafted or suspended.

[mqt]

I thought it CAN be a draftee as long as it's announced next year

I'm pretty sure when they changed the rule to state it can't be a draftee until the end of the World Series. When they moved up the timeline, they closed the loophole to state only players that are eligible to be traded can be PTBNL.

[NYCBrave]

I'm pretty sure when they changed the rule to state it can't be a draftee until the end of the World Series. When they moved up the timeline, they closed the loophole to state only players that are eligible to be traded can be PTBNL.

Ah ok, thanks for the info, didn't know they changed it

[50PoundHead]

The decision to sign Toscano is probably the oddest one made by the new regime. Money would have been better spent buying scratch-off lottery tickets at the Quickee Mart.

[zbhargrove]

The decision to sign Toscano is probably the oddest one made by the new regime. Money would have been better spent buying scratch-off lottery tickets at the Quickee Mart.

Our history with Cubans hasn't been stellar.

[Preacher]

Our history with Cubans hasn't been stellar.

I thought Toscano had the same trainer/handler as Pache or Cruz and that signing him helped with our international efforts.

Sort of like what the Red Sox did, except we did it more legitimately

[smootness]

I'm so tired of people defending hitters acting like massive dickheads.

Saying, 'Pitchers don't want any hint of emotion or celebration' is so disingenuous. No one has ever suggested that. No one gets upset when a hitter is happy and celebrates the fact that he hit a HR. But there is an obvious difference between celebration out of happiness and deliberately going for overkill just because you can.

And the argument of, 'If you don't like it, don't give up a HR' is the kind of thing 3rd graders say. 'If you don't like when I toss the Connect 4 board across the room and tell you I'm going to have my way with your mom tonight, then you shouldn't have lost, loser.' I seriously doubt these people would accept a pitcher telling the hitter to 'suck it' and then prancing and stomping all over the batter's box after a strike out and then saying, 'If you don't like me doing it, should have thought about that before you struck out.' There is a difference between being happy and celebrating because of that and just rubbing it in because you're a dick.

[zbhargrove]

I'm so tired of people defending hitters acting like massive dickheads.

Saying, 'Pitchers don't want any hint of emotion or celebration' is so disingenuous. No one has ever suggested that. No one gets upset when a hitter is happy and celebrates the fact that he hit a HR. But there is an obvious difference between celebration out of happiness and deliberately going for overkill just because you can.

And the argument of, 'If you don't like it, don't give up a HR' is the kind of thing 3rd graders say. 'If you don't like when I toss the Connect 4 board across the room and tell you I'm going to have my way with your mom tonight, then you shouldn't have lost, loser.' I seriously doubt these people would accept a pitcher telling the hitter to 'suck it' and then prancing and stomping all over the batter's box after a strike out and then saying, 'If you don't like me doing it, should have thought about that before you struck out.' There is a difference between being happy and celebrating because of that and just rubbing it in because you're a dick.

Wrong thread?

[smootness]

There was some brief discussion about the article written about Norris' comments on hitters pimping HRs. Just responding to that.

[zbhargrove]

There was some brief discussion about the article written about Norris' comments on hitters pimping HRs. Just responding to that.

ohhhhhh... right, my bad

[thewupk]

I agree with smoot. As the old saying goes. Act like you've been here before. I tend to agree with whoever mentioned earlier that the way the game has evolved has encouraged this type of behavior. Pitchers can't pitch inside anymore without getting some kind of warning and possibly ejected. If a hitter pimped a homerun after hitting it off someone like Gibson, Ryan, Clemens, or Pedro they would be on their ass or walking to 1st in their next AB and would think twice before doing that again. There is a difference between going all Joe Carter as you round the bases on a world series winning homer and standing there looking at it in a July game in the 5th inning.

[NYCBrave]

I agree with smoot. As the old saying goes. Act like you've been here before. I tend to agree with whoever mentioned earlier that the way the game has evolved has encouraged this type of behavior. Pitchers can't pitch inside anymore without getting some kind of warning and possibly ejected. If a hitter pimped a homerun after hitting it off someone like Gibson, Ryan, Clemens, or Pedro they would be on their ass or walking to 1st in their next AB and would think twice before doing that again. There is a difference between going all Joe Carter as you round the bases on a world series winning homer and standing there looking at it in a July game in the 5th inning.


I just look at it as the "dumbing down" of the game. I mean, look how much Jose Bautista's playoff bat flip was celebrated and marketed. Baseball needs to pick up the common fans, and this is a way to "get them excited" about what many consider a boring sport. Look at the NFL. People love the end zone celebrations, and they even end up creating global dance moves out of them. With MLB trailing NFL in rankings, maybe they're happy about these celebrations. Just my thoughts.

[Braves1976]

I just look at it as the "dumbing down" of the game. I mean, look how much Jose Bautista's playoff bat flip was celebrated and marketed. Baseball needs to pick up the common fans, and this is a way to "get them excited" about what many consider a boring sport. Look at the NFL. People love the end zone celebrations, and they even end up creating global dance moves out of them. With MLB trailing NFL in rankings, maybe they're happy about these celebrations. Just my thoughts.

Texas still hasn't forgotten that, and Odor popped him good as payback earlier this year. I cannot say I blame Texas for responding as they did. However, it did turn MLB into NHL for a bit there between Toronto and Texas. :)

[dak]

We can close the book on this deal. Definitely not a major asset.

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[bravesfanMatt]

This was a clear win in my opinion.. dropping salary and picking up good BP pieces..

[Braves1976]

It was a clear win, we can certainly say that now that we know everyone involved. It also shows how timing is very key in making good trades, we sold high on Norris at a good time. That is wise, but thanks to Snitker misusing Vizciano so much of late and our media talking like we don't trust him to save games now or at least shouldn't. Now if we trade Viz we likely won't get as much back, if so then the wise move would be to hold on to Viz at least through this season. This would give him time to right the ship and then you can trade him this off-season for more or at the deadline next season.

That said, Snitker has really hurt us concerning Viz already and if he continues doing this we're not getting back what we would've before hand in any trade (now or this off season). The FO should've made sure he didn't do this with Viz, they should've protected their major trade chip before it got to this point. Now teams that had interest in Viz seem to be losing interest and those interested will likely not be paying as much in a trade.