8-23-13 Braves at Cards

[tvsportscaster]

Braves
Jordan Schafer LF
Justin Upton RF
Freddie Freeman 1B
Chris Johnson 3B
Brian McCann C
Andrelton Simmons SS
BJ Upton CF
Elliot Johnson 2B
Kris Medlen P

[Chipper Jones]

Lets go boys!

[Julio3000]

Lord BABIP claiming the cleanup spot in the name of the House of Johnson.

[Dalyn]

Elliot is seriously the starting 2B? :snort: Awesome idea.

[NinersSBChamps]

Wasn't this game made yesterday?

[Dalyn]

Lord BABIP claiming the cleanup spot in the name of the House of Johnson.

He has to do something, now that his surname has been besmirched.

[Dalyn]

Wasn't this game made yesterday?

And why is Bill Murray playing second!?

[tvsportscaster]

Elliot is seriously the starting 2B? :snort: Awesome idea.

Did you watch him yesterday, it's only until Wednesday, don't worry about it. He's better than Janish which is your other choice.

[NinersSBChamps]

Did you watch him yesterday, it's only until Wednesday, don't worry about it. He's better than Janish which is your other choice.

I'd rather have Simba patrol both spots.

[tvsportscaster]

Beachy to the 15-day DL, Todd Cunningham up from Gwinnett, bench is full strength again.

[NinersSBChamps]

Beachy to the 15-day DL, Todd Cunningham up from Gwinnett, bench is full strength again.

Beachy had a promising career. Hopefully he can be successful in life without baseball.

[tvsportscaster]

Beachy had a promising career. Hopefully he can be successful in life without baseball.

Not so fast, everybody believes its just inflammation again, Dr. Andrews visit is hopefully to confirm that, because he's the only one that can read the MRI

[Dalyn]

Did you watch him yesterday, it's only until Wednesday, don't worry about it. He's better than Janish which is your other choice.


No. I didn't. But he is a career .212 hitter with an OPS of .580 or so. Basically, he is Paul Janish with more speed and not as good defensively.

[bravesnumberone]

Medlen needs his "A" stuff tonight. No more than 2 runs and hope one of our big hitters can crank one.

[benchguy]

Another positive post from a very negative person



Beachy had a promising career. Hopefully he can be successful in life without baseball.

[stpeteirish]

Braves 2b:

Uggla- fans complain incessantly about him...replaced by Pastornicky
who fans complain about...replaced by Janish...who fans complain about..replaced by
Eliot Johnson, who fans complain about, and can't wait till Uggla comes back.

[emk418]

Elliot is seriously the starting 2B? :snort: Awesome idea.

Better than Janish but I'm still amazed we ignored the UTIL spot for so long.

[emk418]

Beachy had a promising career. Hopefully he can be successful in life without baseball.

Overreact much? It's common for a pitcher to have these issues coming back from TJ. There's a good chance he's dealing with inflammation and just needs rest. Not saying there isn't a chance it could be something major because it's possible but this is common if it ends up being inflammation.

[BlackwaterPark]

I sure hope we win tonight

[cajunrevenge]

Braves 2b:

Uggla- fans complain incessantly about him...replaced by Pastornicky
who fans complain about...replaced by Janish...who fans complain about..replaced by
Eliot Johnson, who fans complain about, and can't wait till Uggla comes back.

Reminds me of the vicious cycle of manager hate. Fans cant wait for Cox to retire..replaced by Fredi who fans complain about... who will be replaced by someone else the fans will complain about.... who will be replaced by someone else who the fans complain about... who will be replaced by someone else who the fans complain about.

[Julio3000]

I sure hope we win tonight

Me, too. The team needs it. Well, I need it. I've been in a funk ever since Heyward got beaned. I just want to clinch the division and enjoy the playoffs. Anything beyond that will be cake.

[zbhargrove]

Beachy had a promising career. Hopefully he can be successful in life without baseball.

Classic niners.

[jsebe10]

Overreact much? It's common for a pitcher to have these issues coming back from TJ. There's a good chance he's dealing with inflammation and just needs rest. Not saying there isn't a chance it could be something major because it's possible but this is common if it ends up being inflammation.

I sure hope its inflammation. In the event that is it is, the front office should really consider shutting him down the rest of the season and just have him full strength and ready to go 2014.

[BlackwaterPark]

I have a feeling the Braves are going to get swept. Dont seem to have any life lately

[NinersSBChamps]

Awesome at bat from Freddie!

[nsacpi]

Awesome at bat from Freddie!

You crossed me up there with that enthusiasm and positivity. Don't do that.

[Braves1976]

KC up 3-0 early on Nats still batting in 1st vs Gio.

[Garmel]

Schafer looks lost at the plate ever since he's come back from the DL.

[Braves1976]

Schafer looks lost at the plate ever since he's come back from the DL.

We might be better off giving Cunningham a look in center soon if it keeps up. Whatever the case, I don't like starting both him and BJ at the same time. Gattis and Joey T should be playing in left, at least for most part.

[NinersSBChamps]

That was a generous strike three call.

[benchguy]

It has been awhile since Gattis has done anything..



We might be better off giving Cunningham a look in center soon if it keeps up. Whatever the case, I don't like starting both him and BJ at the same time. Gattis and Joey T should be playing in left, at least for most part.

[Bj1133]

Good for BJ - guy can still make a difference this year

[NinersSBChamps]

Cue the maybe this will get BJ going posts.

[Dalyn]

We better not give up any hits to Molina.

[emk418]

Schafer looks lost at the plate ever since he's come back from the DL.

Schafer just needs at bats too. He'll snap out of it.

[Braves1976]

It has been awhile since Gattis has done anything..

That can be said of all those that spent time of the DL not long ago. If Gattis is to get back on track he needs to play regularly. The two times a week stuff doesn't help matters (nor does being moved back and forth from catcher to outfield). He needs to just focus on left field and with regular play he should get back on track again. It's not like he's been striking out a ton like some of the others.

[Dalyn]

:mad:

[drewdat]

Cue the maybe this will get BJ going posts.

We desperately need an energetic BJ.

[Dalyn]

Schafer just needs at bats too. He'll snap out of it.

What makes you say that? He had a hot period. Now he is playing like he always has.

[Braves1976]

Schafer just needs at bats too. He'll snap out of it.

Maybe, but in his case it could be more than that given his track record. Time will tell.

[NinersSBChamps]

And here we go.

[Julio3000]

That can be said of all those that spent time of the DL not long ago. If Gattis is to get back on track he needs to play regularly. The two times a week stuff doesn't help matters (nor does being move back and forth from catcher to outfield). He needs to just focus on left field and with regular play he should get back on track again. It's not like he's been striking out a ton like some of the others.

It's a shame that the oblique injury cost Gattis so much time this year. We haven't really had the chance to see if he can get comfortable and make adjustments. I'd like to see him out there for that reason alone.

[jsebe10]

Nice hit jay "high up anus" jay

[NinersSBChamps]

Add that catch to the Simba greatness thread.

[Dalyn]

THAT is range. In case Freeman was curious.

[Bj1133]

WOW!

[Braves1976]

Simmons made another great catch! Wow he surely is the best!

[jsebe10]

Jesus Simmons!!

[Braves1976]

It's a shame that the oblique injury cost Gattis so much time this year. We haven't really had the chance to see if he can get comfortable and make adjustments. I'd like to see him out there for that reason alone.

Agreed.

[Bj1133]

Freddie with a nice play. A little too much solid contact off Medlen this inning for my liking

[NinersSBChamps]

I can't think of a team who has had worse injuries than the Braves. The Yankees definitely come close, but I think our bullpen puts us over the top.

[Braves1976]

KC is up 6-0 early on the Nats, that's good news.

[NinersSBChamps]

Freddie with a nice play. A little too much solid contact off Medlen this inning for my liking

That will happen when you pitch to contact and are in the strike zone as much as him.

[Bj1133]

Cardinals announcers are just brutal to listen to, btw. They were just discussing the idea of Wainwright missing out on golf outings with Maddux and Glavine because of his trade, completely ignorant of the fact that both were long gone from the Braves prior to Wainwrights big league debut with the Cardinals

[Bj1133]

I can't think of a team who has had worse injuries than the Braves. The Yankees definitely come close, but I think our bullpen puts us over the top.

Cardinals should be in the conversation as well. Motte, Carpenter, Furcal, and Jaime Garcia all out for the year

[Bj1133]

That was a little too low

[nsacpi]

Cards have used 19 rookies this year.

[benchguy]

Maybe u should try it



And here we go.

[Braves1976]

Freeman could've walked that AB, he was too aggressive chasing. Oh well.

CJ not looking good tonight, but hopefully he turns it around later a la NYC.

[jsebe10]

Guys this offense is freezing ICE cold....

[NinersSBChamps]

Maybe u should try it

You are so cute with your little insults.

[Garmel]

Guys this offense is freezing ICE cold....

Kinda the way our offense is. When it's good, it's good. When it's bad, it's bad. Sometimes it can be very bad as it is looking now.

[NinersSBChamps]

I think the Braves are done scoring runs for awhile. Maybe Sunday we sniff the scoreboard again.

[thewupk]

I think the Braves are done scoring runs for awhile. Maybe Sunday we sniff the scoreboard again.

I agree. We will also be lucky to be in first in a couple of weeks. What a waste of a season.

[Jay212033]

I think the Braves are done scoring runs for awhile. Maybe Sunday we sniff the scoreboard again.

Why are you so negative?!

[jsebe10]

Kinda the way our offense is. When it's good, it's good. When it's bad, it's bad. Sometimes it can be very bad as it is looking now.

Unfortunately you are right...sad thing is these streaks of bad offense last weeks...

[jsebe10]

Why are you so negative?!

I think he's being sarcastic.

[NinersSBChamps]

Why are you so negative?!
I actually am fairly confident the Braves offense will struggle all series long.

[NYCBrave]

I think the Braves are done scoring runs for awhile. Maybe Sunday we sniff the scoreboard again.

We're only facing probably the best pitcher in the NL right now....

[NinersSBChamps]

We're only facing probably the best pitcher in the NL right now....

I didn't know Kershaw was pitching for St.Louis tonight.

[holden]

I think he's being sarcastic.

you don't know the miserable SOB very well, I think

[Jay212033]

We're only facing probably the best pitcher in the NL right now....

Kershaw isn't on the mound.

[NinersSBChamps]

you don't know the miserable SOB very well, I think

And you don't know that he was talking about me and not nopatienta.

[NYCBrave]

Ok sorry guys, Kershaw isn't on the mound, we're facing Wainwright he's trash

[Julio3000]

OK, leadoff man on. Let's do this.

[NinersSBChamps]

Ok sorry guys, Kershaw isn't on the mound, we're facing Wainwright he's trash

On any given night the Braves can get shutdown. Doesn't matter the starting pitcher.

[NinersSBChamps]

I see the temper runs in the family.

[NinersSBChamps]

And that's the only thing that runs in that family too.

[CrimsonCowboy]

You could see that coming after the last at bat

[Julio3000]

What happened?

[Braves1976]

Chen just fell apart and was left in to give it all back against Washington. It's 6-6 now as Harper ties it with a bases clearing double. Nats still batting... Werth two-run bomb, Nats come back from 6-0 down to lead 8-6!

[Bj1133]

Atta boy Freddie!

[nsacpi]

Fredito

[jsebe10]

Lol the uptons crack me up

Good job Frederick.

[Runnin]

Gameday says BJ was ejected?

[CrimsonCowboy]

Justin did say the "magic word", but it seemed to me the ump thought it was directed at him. I think Justin said the word out of frustration of grounding out. Freeman even could not believe it

[NinersSBChamps]

Justin was ejected because he swore. He said a curse worse in frustration to grounding out and was tossed. Really awful job by the umpire.

[nsacpi]

Lord BABIP

[NinersSBChamps]

Gameday says BJ was ejected?

It's usually a fair guess when an Upton is ejected.

[Bj1133]

No infield fly?

[NinersSBChamps]

Carpenter didn't need to catch it. That was clearly an infield fly.

[jsebe10]

Told y'all. Luckiest little douche bag in baseball. Hate Carpenter.

[Bj1133]

Gameday says BJ was ejected.

It was Justin

[Runnin]

Justin yelled "F You" coming out of the box when he hit the grounder. Completely unnecessary by Upton.

Freddie quietly getting into the batting title race himself.

[Braves1976]

We need a shutdown inning by Kris, oh man not a lead-off walk.

[jsebe10]

If you are going to walk Caroenter just plunk him.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Thank you Carpenter for the bad baserunning

[Braves1976]

That'll help, a double play. Thanks Carpenter!

[Bj1133]

Where the hell was Carpenter going?

[jsebe10]

Hahaha go swallow some dip Carpendouche

[jsebe10]

Where the hell was Carpenter going?

Who cares. He failed...and that makes me smile.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Bj1133]

Can't make mistakes to that guy

[NinersSBChamps]

Ball game. Thanks, Kris.

[Braves1976]

Medlen has him 0-2 and he throws that? This is why I don't trust him this year.

[mfree80]

On the replay of the ejection you could hear someone saying "bye bye" immediately after the umpire threw him out. Was that the umpire? I don't think anyone else would have realized what had happened yet. If it was the umpire, he needs to be fined and suspended.

[Bj1133]

Ball game. Thanks, Kris.

You must live one miserable life

[CrimsonCowboy]

On the replay of the ejection you could hear someone saying "bye bye" immediately after the umpire threw him out. Was that the umpire? I don't think anyone else would have realized what had happened yet. If it was the umpire, he needs to be fined and suspended.

I believe that was the ump who said bye bye

[Julio3000]

Oh noes, Kris has turned in a quality start. Send him to the bullpen.

[NinersSBChamps]

You must live one miserable life

Nope. Not at all actually.

Braves had to work that hard to get one run last inning. Don't see magic happening again.

[mfree80]

I believe that was the ump who said bye bye

If it was the umpire, it amounts to taunting, and needs to be addressed. I don't question the authority of the umpires, but if they are taunting players, someone has to say something.

[Bj1133]

That curve looked like it hooked around the plate

[jsebe10]

Lol magical inning there.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Trying not to remember the fact he was traded for one year of J.D. Drew.......................

[BravesBlock]

I believe that was the ump who said bye bye

I could have swore that he said C'ya

[jsebe10]

If it was the umpire, it amounts to taunting, and needs to be addressed. I don't question the authority of the umpires, but if they are taunting players, someone has to say something.

So the athlete can scream out "fck you" to the umpire while running down the line? These players aren't always as innocent as we think. Upton disrespected him. Should have tossed his ass when he was throwing a tantrum after strike 1

[mfree80]

I could have swore that he said C'ya

Could have been see ya. Either way from the tone, it was an unnecessary addition that amounts to taunting.

[Braves1976]

Oh well.

[NinersSBChamps]

Downs time.

[Runnin]

The Nats have retaken the lead 8-7. I'm actually glad to see them playing good ball.

[jsebe10]

Downs time.

Were you a Moderator on the old site that Daddiopattiodoucheo single handily ruined?

[mfree80]

So the athlete can scream out "fck you" to the umpire while running down the line? These players aren't always as innocent as we think. Upton disrespected him. Should have tossed his ass when he was throwing a tantrum after strike 1

The game is about the players, not the umps. Throwing him out after the first at bat would still have been an overreaction, but it would have been more justified than three innings later because he was frustrated by making an out.

The ump overreacted, and may have effected the outcome of the game.... And then taunted the player for good measure.

[NinersSBChamps]

Were you a Moderator on the old site that Daddiopattiodoucheo single handily ruined?

I was not.

[jsebe10]

Basics Brian. Fckn basics.

[Dalyn]

Huge.

[Bj1133]

Nice work on Freese

[benchguy]

if he even has one at all..he was the same on the other board..
don't believe he is a Brave's fan...



You must live one miserable life

[Runnin]

So the athlete can scream out "fck you" to the umpire while running down the line? These players aren't always as innocent as we think. Upton disrespected him. Should have tossed his ass when he was throwing a tantrum after strike 1
He didn't throw a tantrum after strike 1 but I agree with the ejection. They should also eject players for yelling fck at the plate when they strike out. There's just no sense in that. Millionaire players should have to behave better than teenagers.

[NinersSBChamps]

Basics Brian. Fckn basics.

Think they may have been crossed on their signs.

[jsebe10]

St Louis is too lucky as a team to not score here. They are just too lucky.

[NinersSBChamps]

if he even has one at all..he was the same on the other board..
don't believe he is a Brave's fan...

I am not going to waste my time with you. You simply don't deserve it.

[DaneHill]

Hi guys! Is the magic number 0 yet? :wut:

[jsebe10]

Think they may have been crossed on their signs.

Nope. Scooted right beneath the ole ball sack.

[Dalyn]

Go for the K. Nothing in the zone.

[NinersSBChamps]

Is there an ignore feature on this board?

[NinersSBChamps]

St Louis is too lucky as a team to not score here. They are just too lucky.

Yeah I really dislike them.

[Bj1133]

Interesting move to let Wainwright bat here

[Bj1133]

Ball 1 to Wainwright was the exact same pitch Justin had called strikes on him twice tonight

[Runnin]

Is there an ignore feature on this board?
Oh the irony.

[Dalyn]

Ball 1 to Wainwright was the exact same pitch Justin had called strikes on him twice tonight


And that is to a pitcher.

[Dalyn]

Very good job by Downs. Kept us in the game.

[NinersSBChamps]

Good damage control from Downs. That could have been much worse.

[jsebe10]

I'd take Yadier, that contract, and his bad knees anyday of the week and twice on Sunday over McCann. No doubt.

[jsebe10]

Lol poor Terdo. Doesn't have a chance.

[mfree80]

Keeping Wainwright in the game is huge.

[Bj1133]

Keeping Wainwright in the game is huge.

I'm guessing he will try to go the distance - Mujica is still unavailable

[jsebe10]

Christ, Schafer. When was his last hit any way?

[Bj1133]

And there that low pitch is called a strike again for Waino

[NinersSBChamps]

Right down the middle to Gattis. Yeah he definitely needs more at bats.

[KayJayNZ]

Christ, Schafer. When was his last hit any way?

Christ, Gattis. When was his last hit any way? :mad0182:

[Braves1976]

And there that low pitch is called a strike again for Waino

That first strike call on Gattis was ball two, it was also lower than the pitch called a ball the pitch before (and lower that the one called a ball on pitch one by Downs to Wainwright). Oh well.

[jsebe10]

And there that low pitch is called a strike again for Waino

Yup. As if he needed any help...

I really honestly will never forgive bow tie Schuerlholtz for that abortion of a trade. Never

[jsebe10]

I wish our color commentators would get Wainright's dangler out their mouths. Damn.

[zitothebrave]

This team cannot win without Heyward. He's clearly been the MVP of this team. We've been able to survive and thrive when other players have gone down but the Braves have 61 wins in games Jason has started, That means we have only 16 wins in games he hasn't started.

That means we're 61-18 in games Jason has started and 18-32 in games where he wasn't.

My numbers may be off a little, but it's pretty damned staggering.

[NinersSBChamps]

This team cannot win without Heyward. He's clearly been the MVP of this team. We've been able to survive and thrive when other players have gone down but the Braves have 61 wins in games Jason has started, That means we have only 16 wins in games he hasn't started.

That means we're 61-18 in games Jason has started and 18-32 in games where he wasn't.

My numbers may be off a little, but it's pretty damned staggering.

But it's impossible for the Braves to only win 88 games this season. At least that's what everyone thinks.

[drewdat]

I guess roids don't make you more graceful.

[jsebe10]

And again, aside from that base running blunder, I'd take him any day over Macc. Dudes a hitting machine.

[jsebe10]

Freddie single followed by a Johnson double play

[NinersSBChamps]

And again, aside from that base running blunder, I'd take him any day over Macc. Dudes a hitting machine.

There aren't many Braves players I'd take over the Cardinals players. Position for position wise anyway.

[Dalyn]

I'd take Yadier, that contract, and his bad knees anyday of the week and twice on Sunday over McCann. No doubt.



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[zitothebrave]

Wainwright at 122 pitches :facepalm:

Do they want to murder his arm.

[Bj1133]

There aren't many Braves players I'd take over the Cardinals players. Position for position wise anyway.

More evidence of your lack of baseball knowledge. Molina/McCann may really be the only debate, unless you start factoring in contracts. The Braves have better/younger players at every other position.

[mfree80]

Strike 3 on a curve in the dirt. Where have we seen that before?

[holden]

More evidence of your lack of baseball knowledge. Molina/McCann may really be the only debate, unless you start factoring in contracts. The Braves have better/younger players at every other position.

Don't let facts get in the way of Niners incessant negativity.

[jsebe10]

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Gotcha...

[NinersSBChamps]

More evidence of your lack of baseball knowledge. Molina/McCann may really be the only debate, unless you start factoring in contracts. The Braves have better/younger players at every other position.

Yeah Carpenter was a second base all star and he's better than Uggla? You are a idiot.

[Bj1133]

Its always an adventure in LF for Holliday

[drewdat]

Wainwright at 122 pitches :facepalm:

Do they want to murder his arm.

I was hoping for at least 140. Darn.

[Dalyn]

I am so glad this is not the end of September.

[Dalyn]

I was hoping for at least 140. Darn.

You want to see him injured?

[NinersSBChamps]

Don't let facts get in the way of Niners incessant negativity.

You are also an idiot.

[NinersSBChamps]

John Jay also better than BJ Upton.

[drewdat]

You want to see him injured?

I just hate the Cardinals. Other than that, I'm not too picky.

[jsebe10]

You want to see him injured?

Who would care? You think Cards fans sit around and say "I'm going to pray for Heyward".

[zitothebrave]

You are also an idiot.

Yay personal attacks!

WEEEEE

We're all so mature

[BravesBlock]

Well to keep things positive. If you are going to have a slump now is the time to do it. We need the braves to be on fire again right before the playoffs begin. They have been dealt some hard blows recently but they will regroup and get back on track soon. Maybe tomorrow.

[tvsportscaster]

The Braves offense is the problem right now. A four game sweep is a distinct possibility. First back to back losses since July 20 and 21st and the lead will be down to 13 after tonight.

[NinersSBChamps]

Yay personal attacks!

WEEEEE

We're all so mature

Yeah I am always the bad guy. I've never been attacked by anyone here. 85 percent of the board is full of assholes anyway.

[Dalyn]

Who would care? You think Cards fans sit around and say "I'm going to pray for Heyward".

I would care. Don't want to see anyone injured.

[zitothebrave]

Yeah I am always the bad guy. I've never been attacked by anyone here. 85 percent of the board is full of assholes anyway.

Weeeee so mature

You act like you're the only person in the history of the internet who hasn't been attacked in some way or another. It's the internet if you can't handle it unplug your computer.

[NinersSBChamps]

I would care. Don't want to see anyone injured.

Injures suck no matter. I hate to see anyone get hurt. No matter who it is.

[NinersSBChamps]

Weeeee so mature

You act like you're the only person in the history of the internet who hasn't been attacked in some way or another. It's the internet if you can't handle it unplug your computer.

Yup that;s it. I can't handle it. Everyone is so mean to me. Get off your high horse pal.

[jsebe10]

The Braves offense is the problem right now. A four game sweep is a distinct possibility. First back to back losses since July 20 and 21st and the lead will be down to 13 after tonight.

I can take the losing. I just want our guys to be competitive. 3 runs in the last 18 innings is not good baseball. Wainright was is duress one inning tonight and that was it.

[Dalyn]

Injures suck no matter. I hate to see anyone get hurt. No matter who it is.

Exactly.

[jsebe10]

I would care. Don't want to see anyone injured.

Are you going to right him a letter?

[NinersSBChamps]

Are you going to right him a letter?

Nope, he is going to LEFT him a letter. :cooter:

[Dalyn]

Are you going to right him a letter?

Do you mean write?

[jsebe10]

Exactly.

Of course they do. Injuries aren't good and not wished on anyone, but I honestly wouldn't care and wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if he got hurt. He's a cardinal, not a brave. So he can go to hell.

[Julio3000]

Do you mean write?

I think he meant "rite."

[JusticeForAll23]

Are there seriously people in a mini-meltdown because we lost 2 in a row for the first time in over a month to one of the best teams in baseball on the road?

[Bj1133]

Yeah Carpenter was a second base all star and he's better than Uggla? You are a idiot.

I'm not giving up on Uggla just yet - lets see what he can do with proper vision out there. John Jay is a nice player, but is not better than BJ.

[jsebe10]

Do you mean write?

Yea... Fckn autocorrect lol

[jsebe10]

Are there seriously people in a mini-meltdown because we lost 2 in a row for the first time in over a month to one of the best teams in baseball on the road?

No not at all. The board is actually ok tonight aside from everyone wanting to hog tie Niners and make him watch as they take his wife to pound town.

[NinersSBChamps]

I'm not giving up on Uggla just yet - lets see what he can do with proper vision out there. John Jay is a nice player, but is not better than BJ.

Uggla is what he is. It's been almost three seasons. I don't know what else you need to see from him? Jay is a better player with better numbers. Imagine if BJ had numbers anywhere near what Jay has.

[zitothebrave]

Cards players vs Braves players in terms of fWAR

C - Molina 4.9 Mac 2.7
1B - Craig 2.4 Freeman 3.1
2B - Carpenter 5.9 Uggla 0.9
3B - Freese 0.0 Johnson 2.4
SS - Kozma -0.2 Simmons 3.7
Lf - Holliday 2.5 Justin 3.1
CF - jay 1.2 Bossman -0.7
RF - Beltran 2.1 Heyward 2.9

So basically they have us at C, 2B, and CF. When we know that our CF is having far and away his worst season, considering the lowest fWAR he produced before this year was 2.1 a number Jay maynot best this year. So normal year they have us beat at 2B and C, maybe 3B since Freese in the past was much better and Johnson in the past was much worsee. But even with that tradeoff we are clearly a much better team in terms of position players without even considering age and cliffs and the sort.

[Bj1133]

Cards players vs Braves players in terms of fWAR

C - Molina 4.9 Mac 2.7
1B - Craig 2.4 Freeman 3.1
2B - Carpenter 5.9 Uggla 0.9
3B - Freese 0.0 Johnson 2.4
SS - Kozma -0.2 Simmons 3.7
Lf - Holliday 2.5 Justin 3.1
CF - jay 1.2 Bossman -0.7
RF - Beltran 2.1 Heyward 2.9

So basically they have us at C, 2B, and CF. When we know that our CF is having far and away his worst season, considering the lowest fWAR he produced before this year was 2.1 a number Jay maynot best this year. So normal year they have us beat at 2B and C, maybe 3B since Freese in the past was much better and Johnson in the past was much worsee. But even with that tradeoff we are clearly a much better team in terms of position players without even considering age and cliffs and the sort.

Pretty much made by point for me, and like you said those numbers don't factor in age which only gives a bigger edge to the Braves

[CrimsonCowboy]

Medlen was apparently not happy about being taken out in the 7th inning

[CrimsonCowboy]

David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves 1m
#Braves Medlen after being taken out after 78 pitches: "I don't know what type of mentality we're trying to create among our starters."

[zitothebrave]

The negativity by fans to this team is kinda sad.

This is where this team stands i nthe NL

Position player fWAR - 1
Pitching fWAR - 2
wRC+ Tied for 2
ERA- - 1
FIP- - 1
Starter ERA- - 5
Starter FIP- - tied 4
Reliever ERA- - 1
Reliever FIP- - 1

Basically we have an amazing pen, amazing defense, excellent offense and very good starting pitching. And that's with all the injuries we've sustained. Where would be with Venters, EOF, Hudson, Heyward, Mac, Gattis, and Schafer all not missing significant time? This has been a hell of a team and it's sad that the negative nancies will try to bring the team's production down. I'm bummed we lost Heyward, losing him means my dream of 100 wins is gone, but we are stil la great team and when Jason comes back for the playoffs (fingers crossed) no one will want to face us.

[weso1]

David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves 1m
#Braves Medlen after being taken out after 78 pitches: "I don't know what type of mentality we're trying to create among our starters."

He's not the first Braves starter to complain about that.

[zitothebrave]

David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves 1m
#Braves Medlen after being taken out after 78 pitches: "I don't know what type of mentality we're trying to create among our starters."

Can't be saying those things to the press. Bad decorum.

[Dalyn]

David O'Brien ‏@ajcbraves 1m
#Braves Medlen after being taken out after 78 pitches: "I don't know what type of mentality we're trying to create among our starters."

Makes you wonder what ISN'T being said, if this is what someone like Medlen says to the media...

Looking forward to a new manager.

[Bdawg2309]

wooops..didn't see it had been posted

[NYCBrave]

Makes you wonder what ISN'T being said, if this is what someone like Medlen says to the media...

Looking forward to a new manager.

You're right, Fredi is doing such a crappy job this year, we should be expecting much better than just the best record in the majors.

[Dalyn]

You're right, Fredi is doing such a crappy job this year, we should be expecting much better than just the best record in the majors.


Quit being so blind. This isn't the first time something like this has happened.

[57Brave]

#Braves Medlen after being taken out after 78 pitches: "I don't know what type of mentality we're trying to create among our starters."

My take was the message being sent was "quit missing your spots

[Bdawg2309]

Quit being so blind. This isn't the first time something like this has happened.

cause bobby cox was so perfect..........

[Dalyn]

cause bobby cox was so perfect..........


Fredi's performance has nothing to do with Bobby Cox.

[weso1]

Cards players vs Braves players in terms of fWAR

C - Molina 4.9 Mac 2.7
1B - Craig 2.4 Freeman 3.1
2B - Carpenter 5.9 Uggla 0.9
3B - Freese 0.0 Johnson 2.4
SS - Kozma -0.2 Simmons 3.7
Lf - Holliday 2.5 Justin 3.1
CF - jay 1.2 Bossman -0.7
RF - Beltran 2.1 Heyward 2.9

So basically they have us at C, 2B, and CF. When we know that our CF is having far and away his worst season, considering the lowest fWAR he produced before this year was 2.1 a number Jay maynot best this year. So normal year they have us beat at 2B and C, maybe 3B since Freese in the past was much better and Johnson in the past was much worsee. But even with that tradeoff we are clearly a much better team in terms of position players without even considering age and cliffs and the sort.


That's not really a fair way to compare the teams though. When you actually add up the WAR of each position player for each team then you get the Cards at 18.8 and the Braves at 18.1. So the Card's position players have an 18.8 WAR and the Braves are at 18.2. You can't discount the wide difference between Carpenter and Uggla for example. Only stating that the Card's have us beat at the 2nd base position fails to paint the entire picture of how much better the Cards are at that position than we are.

[bravebonebook]

So now it's a 2 game losing streak. Have we lost the division yet like some are saying. The wheels are falling off...(j/k)

[NYCBrave]

Fredi's performance has nothing to do with Bobby Cox.

There's no argument here, if you're never going to give credit to the manager for anything, it's obvious you have a vendetta against him. I'm not sure how you could prove we have a worse manager than any other team in the league, especially seeing as how we have the best record with a mid level payroll.

[zitothebrave]

That's not really a fair way to compare the teams though. When you actually add up the WAR of each position player for each team then you get the Cards at 18.8 and the Braves at 18.1. So the Card's position players have an 18.8 WAR and the Braves are at 18.2. You can't discount the wide difference between Carpenter and Uggla for example. Only stating that the Card's have us beat at the 2nd base position fails to paint the entire picture of how much better the Cards are at that position than we are.

The discussion was about every Cardinal player being better than the Braves. Which isn't the case. Also Cards have 8 players with over 100 games and 400 PA Braves are at 5 and 6. Maybe that has an effect on WAR since the Braves have missed a ton of PT from Mac, Heyward, and the freak suckage of Bossman.

[Dalyn]

There's no argument here, if you're never going to give credit to the manager for anything, it's obvious you have a vendetta against him. I'm not sure how you could prove we have a worse manager than any other team in the league, especially seeing as how we have the best record with a mid level payroll.

I give him credit when he deserves it. It has happened several times. There is a problem, and it is starting to show.

[bravesnumberone]

Some of you are completely hilarious. I see Medlen hung another ****ing change-up tonight and Wainright was spectacular. Braves are in desperate need of a lift mentally more than anything else. I think I might need a couple days off. Go Braves. Let's try not to get swept!

[weso1]

The discussion was about every Cardinal player being better than the Braves. Which isn't the case. Also Cards have 8 players with over 100 games and 400 PA Braves are at 5 and 6. Maybe that has an effect on WAR since the Braves have missed a ton of PT from Mac, Heyward, and the freak suckage of Bossman.

Maybe that's what you were talking about earlier, but I was replying to this statement you made.

"But even with that tradeoff we are clearly a much better team in terms of position players without even considering age and cliffs and the sort."

[NinersSBChamps]

Medlen can pitch longer into games when he isn't handing the lead right back to the opposition. Maybe an occasional strikeout would go a long ways as well.

[Dalyn]

Medlen can pitch longer into games when he isn't handing the lead right back to the opposition. Maybe an occasional strikeout would go a long ways as well.

He pitched well today. One of his best games of the year.

[zitothebrave]

Maybe that's what you were talking about earlier, but I was replying to this statement you made.

"But even with that tradeoff we are clearly a much better team in terms of position players without even considering age and cliffs and the sort."

And I agree with that. You think that Bossman will be a -0.7 WAR player every year? Only players we're at risk of regressing are Simmons (because of unbelievable defensive values though he should improve offensively to counter any potential slippage) and Johnson who'll fall some but not a ton. Uggla should be better than he has been this year, Bossman should be way better, and we have a ton of missed time from Jason and Mac who are arguably our 2 best players. Only top card I believe to miss a healthy chunk of time is Holliday.

[Dalyn]

I'm not sure how you could prove we have a worse manager than any other team in the league, especially seeing as how we have the best record with a mid level payroll.

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[NYCBrave]

OMG Charlie Morton got pulled in the 8th, he only had 83 pitches and given up one run. Horrible manager on those Pirates....

[The Chosen One]

He's not the first Braves starter to complain about that.

it's why I'm against the 100 + 5 pitch count he gives guys.

I think some guys stress their arm more because they know they'll get pulled, so they try and gas what they can left because they know Fredi won't let them go that much more over 100.

Protecting an arm is one thing, it can also backfire. These guys are competitors and they don't like being taken out when the game is on the line and most of htem don't want the bullpen to clean up their mess. If you're someone like Medlen and it's the 7th inning and you're at 91 pitches and a runner gets on, you're thinking you need to get out before Fredi forces you so you start over pitching and next thing you know you give up another run.

[Dalyn]

OMG Charlie Morton got pulled in the 8th, he only had 83 pitches and given up one run. Horrible manager on those Pirates....

Things that are different:

It isn't a habit. Pitchers for the Pirates haven't complained about it because it is so bad. They had the lead. Tying run at the plate. It was the 8th. And they are in a fight for a playoff spot.

[Hawk]

Can't believe Medlen went public with those comments (regardless of whether or not they are accurate.)

[Murphfan]

Watching the game replay...I have grown extremely weary of thin skinned, arrogant, self absorbed umps like Paul Nauert, Sam Holbrook, Jim Joyce and Wally Bell who aren't happy unless they make their mark on the game. No one pays to see the umps call the game. STFU and let the guys play, and quit acting like everything that anyone says or does is an intentional effort to show you up. This time of year, let the best team win. Your egotistical efforts can and do alter the outcome of the game. A$$holes. Obviously the union isn't gonna do a damn thing to discipline these guys, and that's a shame. Don't know how they sleep. Sorry for the rant, thanks for your indulgence. Hope they get it all out of their system now before playoffs start.

[Runnin]

Frustration beginning to show. A win would be nice right about now.