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rico43
07-05-2016, 10:38 AM
Thurman's Huge Collapse

Braves Class AA prospect Andrew Thurman has fallen off the world in terms of his status among the Braves' many young arms.
In his last 10 games, Thurman has given up 23 runs in 34 innings, walking 31 to go with 25 strikeouts. He was 1-4 in them, 1-6 overall with a 6.23 ERA. Tuesday, could not hold a 6-0 lead, giving up seven runs.


TUESDAY'S MINOR LEAGUE RESULTS

CLASS AAA

Gwinnett 3, Norfolk 1

WP: Wooten (2-1) 6 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K (1.80)
Marksberry 1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 0 K
Cunniff 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K
Ramirez (Save, 5) 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Ruiz 1-3, HR (5th), RBI
Rojas 1-4, HR (1st), 2 RBI
Lipka 1-3, 2B, R
Mustelier 2-4


CLASS AA

Mississippi 8, Montgomery 7

SP: Thurman 2.1 IP, 4 H, 7 ER, 4 BB, 1 K, 2 HR
SP: Morris (2-0) 1.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K
Minter 1.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K
Dirks 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K
Hursh (Save, 1) 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K

Swanson 2-4, 2 2B, R, 2 RBI
Lara 2-3, 2 R
Albies 2-4, R, RBI, BB, SB
Lien 1-5, 3B, R, RBI, 4 K
Peterson 1-4, 2 RBI


ADVANCED CLASS A

Salem @ Carolina, ppd.

CLASS A

Greenville 4, Rome 3 (10)

SP: Toussaint 6 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 6 K, HBP
Caicedo 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K
LP: Custred (3-3) 1 IP, 0 H, 2 ER, 4 BB, 0 K

Ellison 3-4, 2 2B, RBI
Riley 1-4, HR (6th), RBI
Castro 1-3, 2B, R, BB
Dykstra 1-5, R

SHORT-SEASON

DSL Cardinals 7, DSL Braves 5

LP: Bautista (1-3) 2.1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER(2R), 2 BB, 5 K
Diaz 3 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K

Michel 2-4, RBI
Morales 0-5 (.145)
Blanco 3-5, 2B, R
D. Salazar 1-3, 2 R, HR (1st), RBI

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GCL Blue Jays 8, GCL Braves 7
BLOWN SAVE. Sound familiar? 3 runs in bottom of 9th.

SP: Wentz 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 2 K
Danciu 2 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 1 BB, 2 K
Suarez 3 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K
Perez 0.0 IP, 0 H, 2 Er, 2 BB, 0 H
LP: Schlosser (BS, 0-1) 0.1 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K

Ventura 1-2, R, 3 RBI, SB, BB, 2 SF
Concepcion 1-5, 2 RBI
Pokorney 2-2, 2 R, RBI, 2 BB
Pache 1-5, R, SB

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Danville 3, Burlington 2

SP: Allard 5.1 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K
WP: Orozco (BS, 1-0) 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K
Clouse (Save, 1) 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

O'Malley 1-4, HR (2nd), RBI
Neslony 1-2, 2B, R
James 1-3, R, BB
Osuna 2-3, 2B, BB

CJ9
07-05-2016, 10:59 AM
Wentz starting for GCL, Cruz getting a day off.

smootness
07-05-2016, 11:45 AM
Wentz: 2 IP, 0 H, 2 BB, 2 K. We'll see if he goes back out for the 3rd.

Tapate50
07-05-2016, 11:50 AM
Wentz having success early. Like to see it...

Anderson had his first start already correct?

smootness
07-05-2016, 11:54 AM
Wentz having success early. Like to see it...

Anderson had his first start already correct?

Nope, not yet. I would guess it will happen this week.

smootness
07-05-2016, 12:10 PM
Wentz did pitch the 3rd. Gave up a hit and a walk but still held them scoreless.

Final line: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 3 BB/2 K.

CJ9
07-05-2016, 12:11 PM
Wentz is done: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 2 K. The one hit was an infield single.

Wentz to start his career: 6 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 4 BB, 6 K.

IslandBrave
07-05-2016, 07:12 PM
Riley with another bomb tonight.

smootness
07-05-2016, 07:14 PM
Riley with another bomb tonight.

Toussaint pitching well again as well. 4 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB/5 K. Just at 56 pitches. He's definitely figuring things out.

chop2chip
07-05-2016, 07:21 PM
Toussaint pitching well again as well. 4 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB/5 K. Just at 56 pitches. He's definitely figuring things out.

Riley for that matter as well. It's always encouraging to see players adjust and grow.

dak
07-05-2016, 07:21 PM
Ruiz with a HR. Coming into tonight, slashing 274 / 369 / 373 and reportedly has looked good with the glove. If the Braves can get Prado this offseason, Ruiz could be a nice player to have at-the-ready in AAA. Prado's versatility can effectively make Ruiz an internal backfill for a number of positions.

smootness
07-05-2016, 07:23 PM
Welp, it's blowing up on Toussaint in the 5th. Oh well, still a positive step.

msstate7
07-05-2016, 07:26 PM
Albies single
Lien triple
Swanson double

Really like the top of our AA lineup

CJ9
07-05-2016, 07:27 PM
A rocky fifth inning for Touki, but he's thrown 54 strikes and 22 balls so far. The split was even better than that before he walked two in the fifth.

CJ9
07-05-2016, 07:42 PM
Swanson is locked in. A pair of ground rule doubles in the first two innings.

Garmel
07-05-2016, 08:05 PM
Swanson is batting .476 over his last 11 games(including tonight). Insane.

Tapate50
07-05-2016, 08:07 PM
Another good night!

CJ9
07-05-2016, 08:09 PM
Allard so far: 4 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K.

IslandBrave
07-05-2016, 08:17 PM
Allard so far: 4 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K.

Clearly too good for the Appy League at this point. Hopefully he moves to Rome soon and Fried goes to Carolina.

CJ9
07-05-2016, 08:26 PM
Allard now at 8 K/1 BB through 5 scoreless innings.

CJ9
07-05-2016, 08:27 PM
Clearly too good for the Appy League at this point. Hopefully he moves to Rome soon and Fried goes to Carolina.

I think Weigel is ready to go up, too. Interested to see if that happens soon for either.

jpack1
07-05-2016, 08:31 PM
Anybody seen Allard lately? Is his stuff still plus plus. Putting up great numbers in Danville obviously.

CJ9
07-05-2016, 08:48 PM
Clean first inning for AJ Minter in his Double A debut. Fly out, strikeout, ground out.

msstate7
07-05-2016, 09:06 PM
Clean first inning for AJ Minter in his Double A debut. Fly out, strikeout, ground out.

Finished... 1.2 ip 0 h 0 er 0 bb 2 k

Heyward
07-05-2016, 09:13 PM
Allard now at 8 K/1 BB through 5 scoreless innings.

Good thing we didnt cut him after 2 bad starts to his minor league career.

sturg33
07-05-2016, 09:28 PM
Good thing we didnt cut him after 2 bad starts to his minor league career.

This is so stupid... literally nobody said anything close to this


***PEOPLE***
Learn to read sarcasm when you see it!

smootness
07-05-2016, 09:33 PM
It wasn't even the start to his minor league career. He pitched last year.

mqt
07-05-2016, 09:37 PM
Hot damn, that new look Mississippi bullpen. Morris, Minter and Dirks all get through clean outings.

Between those three, Hursh and Phillips, we're looking at a pretty solid group of relievers.

bravesfanMatt
07-05-2016, 09:41 PM
Hot damn, that new look Mississippi bullpen. Morris, Minter and Dirks all get through clean outings.

Between those three, Hursh and Phillips, we're looking at a pretty solid group of relievers.

I really think our pen will be solid next year even without Viz. Guys like Minter/Dirks/Morris/Dario... then you have Winkler/Paco/Simmons who can recover from injury to be even more of a force.

50PoundHead
07-05-2016, 09:50 PM
I don't know much about Corbin Clouse, but he's struck out 16 batters in 6.2 IP. 27th round pick out of a small college in Michigan.

bravesfanMatt
07-05-2016, 09:58 PM
I don't know much about Corbin Clouse, but he's struck out 16 batters in 6.2 IP. 27th round pick out of a small college in Michigan.

not a bad way to get yourself noticed.. SSS.. but man, I would like to know what he throws.

best I can find on him right now..

http://usatodayhss.com/2016/grand-ledges-corbin-clouse-signs-with-atlanta-braves

sounds like a fastball/curve guy. guessing he has a cutter or sinker as his FB.. something to get the high K rate.

bravesfanMatt
07-05-2016, 10:11 PM
Hot damn, that new look Mississippi bullpen. Morris, Minter and Dirks all get through clean outings.

Between those three, Hursh and Phillips, we're looking at a pretty solid group of relievers.

so the quartet of Morris/Minter/Dirks and Hursh went 6.2ip/1H/3BB/12Ks tonight. :tchop:

rico43
07-05-2016, 10:25 PM
Albies single
Lien triple
Swanson double

Really like the top of our AA lineup

Look more closely. Lien had four 4 Ks. He is nowhere near what they'd hoped he'd be at this stage.

smootness
07-05-2016, 10:32 PM
Look more closely. Lien had four 4 Ks. He is nowhere near what they'd hoped he'd be at this stage.

We'll see, last year was a very positive step forward. He's just played 8 games this year. Strikes out too much, but he's still got time to figure it out.

Enscheff
07-06-2016, 12:02 AM
Literally the only thing that matters position player wise at AA is that Albies and Swanson play well. Albies picked up right where he left off in AA, and Swansin looks to be back in the groove.

Preacher
07-06-2016, 12:36 AM
so the quartet of Morris/Minter/Dirks and Hursh went 6.2ip/1H/3BB/12Ks tonight. :tchop:

That's awesome!

Hursch struck out 5 I think.

Tapate50
07-06-2016, 05:24 AM
This is so stupid

***PEOPLE***
Learn to read sarcasm when you see it!

IRONY

The Chosen One
07-06-2016, 05:42 AM
oh this is hilarious!

Instead of telling other people how to post maybe follow your own directive on it


Jeez, take a chill pill

Both of you take a chill pill, or else...

:cooter:

IslandBrave
07-06-2016, 05:49 AM
Literally the only thing that matters position player wise at AA is that Albies and Swanson play well. Albies picked up right where he left off in AA, and Swansin looks to be back in the groove.

Peterson too.

nsacpi
07-06-2016, 06:43 AM
Albies has dominated AA. And Wooten has made a case for a callup.

msstate7
07-06-2016, 07:08 AM
Albies has dominated AA. And Wooten has made a case for a callup.

If we wanna keep Albies and Swanson together, probably time to move them both to AAA

50PoundHead
07-06-2016, 07:47 AM
Hursh seems to have found his footing. 40-man roster decision looming on him, so it's the right time for him to step up. He still has iffy peripherals, but he's got that heavy fastball that can sometimes translate.

As per Clouse, Braves' Upper Midwest scouts worked pretty hard this spring. Clouse's teammate at Davenport College in Michigan--Brandon T. White (not to be confused with Brandon S. White)--was the team's 13th round pick and Jackson Pokorney was our 29th round pick out of a high school in Evansville, Indiana. Add to that two guys out of Rend Lake CC in Illinois--Zach Becherer and the unsigned Dayton Tripp--and the Braves mined the region fairly aggressively.

Tapate50
07-06-2016, 07:54 AM
If we wanna keep Albies and Swanson together, probably time to move them both to AAA

I wouldn't. Keeping their service time clocks on the favorable side is big. Keep them together in AA to finish the year. Start them in AAA, then bigs in July.

Tapate50
07-06-2016, 07:55 AM
Both of you take a chill pill, or else...

:cooter:

Im sooooo chill dude.

nsacpi
07-06-2016, 07:59 AM
My preferred course with Albies/Swanson:

1) Promote to AAA for the last month of this season

2) Have some placeholders start the 2017 season on the major league roster at second and short (the usual suspects will do: Peterson, Beckham, D'Arnaud, KJ, Castro).

3) Promote Albies/Swanson to the majors once their play in AAA shows they are ready. We don't have to promote them together.

I suspect they would both be about 2 win players if they spent all of 2017 on the major league roster. Their placeholders are not. But I'm willing to sacrifice a little at the start of the season to get the extra year of service time. Eventually, I would like to extent them, but there are no guarantees in that regard so the extra year of service time might be of significance.

CJ9
07-06-2016, 08:05 AM
My preferred course with Albies/Swanson:

1) Promote to AAA for the last month of this season

2) Have some placeholders start the 2017 season on the major league roster at second and short (the usual suspects will do: Peterson, Beckham, D'Arnaud, KJ, Castro).

3) Promote Albies/Swanson to the majors once their play in AAA shows they are ready. We don't have to promote them together.

I suspect they would both be about 2 win players if they spent all of 2017 on the major league roster. Their placeholders are not. But I'm willing to sacrifice a little at the start of the season to get the extra year of service time. Eventually, I would like to extent them, but there are no guarantees in that regard so the extra year of service time might be of significance.

Totally agree with this, but I don't think the Braves do. They seem pretty set on giving Albies and Swanson some time at the big leagues this year. As long as they keep hitting, I'd imagine that would happen.

I'd be shocked if they didn't start both in the middle of the infield next year to open the season with the new park, but I'm not going to be happy about it. It just makes so much sense for a team that won't compete to be careful with guys and get that extra year of service time.

bravesfanMatt
07-06-2016, 08:06 AM
Hursh seems to have found his footing. 40-man roster decision looming on him, so it's the right time for him to step up. He still has iffy peripherals, but he's got that heavy fastball that can sometimes translate.

As per Clouse, Braves' Upper Midwest scouts worked pretty hard this spring. Clouse's teammate at Davenport College in Michigan--Brandon T. White (not to be confused with Brandon S. White)--was the team's 13th round pick and Jackson Pokorney was our 29th round pick out of a high school in Evansville, Indiana. Add to that two guys out of Rend Lake CC in Illinois--Zach Becherer and the unsigned Dayton Tripp--and the Braves mined the region fairly aggressively.

Hursh needs to be promoted fairly soon. He is too old for AA and repeating for the 3rd time. If he can't hack AAA this time around he needs to be left unprotected.

nsacpi
07-06-2016, 08:16 AM
I suspect if we left guys like Hursh, Lien and Camargo off the 40-man that they would not be at great risk of being lost via the Rule 5 draft. To me it is a gamble worth taking with all three.

bravesfanMatt
07-06-2016, 08:17 AM
I suspect if we left guys like Hursh, Lien and Camargo off the 40-man that they would not be at great risk of being lost via the Rule 5 draft. To me it is a gamble worth taking with all three.

Hursh would be the only one I would be worried about.. but I guess if he stays in AA all year, I doubt a team would take him and put him on their 25 man.

sturg33
07-06-2016, 08:28 AM
Rico - this is about the 3rd time I've seen heyward post or imply that people were panicking over Allard's first two starts this year... it's just not true

Tapate50
07-06-2016, 08:32 AM
Rico - this is about the 3rd time I've seen heyward post or imply that people were panicking over Allard's first two starts this year... it's just not true

People did panick...as a joke.

"Allard struggled again today.... BUST".

"Allard with his second iffy start in a row... Cut him now"

auyushu
07-06-2016, 08:33 AM
My preferred course with Albies/Swanson:


This is what I hope to see as well, as much as I think the new park will cause them to do otherwise.

sturg33
07-06-2016, 08:37 AM
People did panick...as a joke.

"Allard struggled again today.... BUST".

"Allard with his second iffy start in a row... Cut him now"

Yes... there was a lot of sarcastic comments... but heyward doing his typical BS is annoying as hell.

yeezus
07-06-2016, 08:56 AM
Yes... there was a lot of sarcastic comments... but heyward doing his typical BS is annoying as hell.

but honestly, you do the same thing. like when wood would pitch well or (the real) heyward would get hot, you'd say stuff like "well jason heyward still sucks i guess!" despite no one ever saying that.

in the end, you're worrying too much about what (the fake) heyward is saying. who cares.

50PoundHead
07-06-2016, 09:03 AM
I suspect if we left guys like Hursh, Lien and Camargo off the 40-man that they would not be at great risk of being lost via the Rule 5 draft. To me it is a gamble worth taking with all three.

I think of the three, Camargo would be the most likely to be drafted by someone. He could go to an AL club and be the 25th guy. He highlights the problem with Latin players. You have five years to make a 40-man decision on them and they are 16 or 17 when they sign, which means they are 21 or 22 when the decision has to be made and many of them still have some room for physical growth at that point. Camargo's HRs and 2Bs are up this year (most of the rest of his stats are down a bit), so that might be an indication that he's learning to turn on the ball.

sturg33
07-06-2016, 09:04 AM
but honestly, you do the same thing. like when wood would pitch well or (the real) heyward would get hot, you'd say stuff like "well jason heyward still sucks i guess!" despite no one ever saying that.

in the end, you're worrying too much about what (the fake) heyward is saying. who cares.

You're right about that (caring too much).

Enscheff
07-06-2016, 09:43 AM
I wouldn't. Keeping their service time clocks on the favorable side is big. Keep them together in AA to finish the year. Start them in AAA, then bigs in July.

The new CBA is likely going to make it much harder to keep a player down for the beginning of the year to gain an extra year of control. It might end up being 2-3 months instead of 2-3 weeks starting next season.

bravesfanMatt
07-06-2016, 09:47 AM
I think of the three, Camargo would be the most likely to be drafted by someone. He could go to an AL club and be the 25th guy. He highlights the problem with Latin players. You have five years to make a 40-man decision on them and they are 16 or 17 when they sign, which means they are 21 or 22 when the decision has to be made and many of them still have some room for physical growth at that point. Camargo's HRs and 2Bs are up this year (most of the rest of his stats are down a bit), so that might be an indication that he's learning to turn on the ball.


I don't think Camargo would be taken by a club. A 22 year old who is still in AA..maybe AAA by year end and hasn't hit above utility infielder/OF status is not going to be worth adding to your 25 man for a year. And if he is taken, he is replaceable IMO..