8/3 WEDNESDAY MINORS FINAL: Allard, Sims show 1st round stuff

[rico43]

Gwinnett has been shut out three times since July 28

WEDNESDAY'S MINOR LEAGUE RESULTS

CLASS AAA

Charlotte 4, Gwinnett 2

LP: Mateo (0-1) 3 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, HR
Hursh 3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 0 K
Cleto 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K
Janas 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Castro 3-3, RBI
Kazmar 2-4, R
Ruiz 1-3, R, BB

CLASS AA

Mississippi 3, Pensacola 2

SP: Sims 4,1 IP, 1 H, 0 ER(1R), 5 BB, 5 k, HBP, E (on pickoff)
WP: Phillips (5-1) 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K
Kent 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K
Da.Peterson (Save, 4) 1 IP, 0 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 0 K

Du.Peterson 1-3, 2B, BB
Lien 3-4, HR (5th), RBI
Meneses 1-4
Hyams 1-1, 3B, 2 RBI
Swanson, Albies 0-8, 2 K

ADVANCED CLASS A

Winston-Salem 3, Carolina 1

LP: Beech (2-6) 6 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 6 K
O'Neal 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K
McLaughlin 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Mendez 1-3, 2B
Demeritte 1-3, 2 K
Edgerton 1-3

CLASS A

Rome 3, Lexington 1

WP: Allard (1-3) 6.1 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 11 K
Johnson-Mullins (Save, 1 ) 2.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Ellison 2-4, 3B, R
Herbert 2-4, 2B, 3B, R
Castro 1-4, 2B, RBI
Neslony 1-3, RBI, BB

SHORT-SEASON

GCL Phillies 4, GCL Braves 3 (6)

SP: Javier 4 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 K
Suarez 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K
LP: Guardado (0-1) 0.1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K

Crowley 1-3, HR (1st), 2 RBI
Fernandez 2-3, 2B
Ventura 1-3, R
Michel 1-3, RBI, SB

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Danville, idle

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DSL Braves 4, DSL Brewers 3

WP: K. Rodriguez (3-1) 5 IP, 4 H, 0ER(2R), 0 BB, 0 K
Jerez 2.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K
Vasquez (Save, 1) 1.1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 0 K

Bermudez 2-4, 2 R, RBI
Salazar 2-3, 2B
Ramos 0-3, 2 RBI

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[IslandBrave]

Allard on fire. 7ks thru 3.1.

[msstate7]

Allard on fire. 7ks thru 3.1.

Really wish I could hit fast forward on our young pitchers. I'm ready to see a quality team in Atlanta

[50PoundHead]

Allard is dealing.

[Enscheff]

Allard on fire. 7ks thru 3.1.

I had to look myself to believe it.

He is now at 10 Ks through 5 IP.

[msstate7]

Let's say allard finishes this year like he's been pitching lately. Is Carolina a forgone conclusion next season or is Mississippi a possibility?

[praeceps93]

Let's say allard finishes this year like he's been pitching lately. Is Carolina a forgone conclusion next season or is Mississippi a possibility?

I think he definitely starts at Carolina. No need to rush him up. If he maintains production, AA isn't a ridiculous idea by the end of the year.

[jimsnores]

I think he definitely starts at Carolina. No need to rush him up. If he maintains production, AA isn't a ridiculous idea by the end of the year.

I tend to agree. He's young. If he dominates at Carolina, then he could be promoted to Mississippi and be pretty much a step away from Atlanta, since many players go from AA to the bigs these days. With starting pitchers, it looks like a good idea to make sure they establish consistent excellence at a level before promotion, based on how some appear to struggle when rushed. You sure would hate to do anything that would stifle development. Even Allard struggled for a short time when he was first put in Rome. The second go round, he's done well.

[cajunrevenge]

If he finishes strong I see no reason for him to come back to Rome.

[depley]

I was looking at game logs, and I found it interesting that Allard , when he pitches with Herbert (his HS catcher) he has pitched exceptional, the Rome games he pitched with Morales are really bad. Suppose that has anything to do with it?

[nsacpi]

Not much doubt in my mind Allard has more upside than any pitcher in our system. The only question is health.

[nsacpi]

I tend to agree. He's young. If he dominates at Carolina, then he could be promoted to Mississippi and be pretty much a step away from Atlanta, since many players go from AA to the bigs these days. With starting pitchers, it looks like a good idea to make sure they establish consistent excellence at a level before promotion, based on how some appear to struggle when rushed. You sure would hate to do anything that would stifle development. Even Allard struggled for a short time when he was first put in Rome. The second go round, he's done well.

The other thing is he has to build up his innings base.

[Enscheff]

Let's say allard finishes this year like he's been pitching lately. Is Carolina a forgone conclusion next season or is Mississippi a possibility?

It's more about building up his workload. He likely won't get to 100 IP this year. Next year they will try to get him around 140, probably in A+. Then they have to get him over 180+, probably 2018 in AA. He will likely be on a pretty strict innings limit in 2018, so I wouldn't expect more than a spot start here or there.

In spring training 2019 he could possibly be an option to win a rotation spot in his age 21 season. That's the best case scenario in my opinion.

What the Braves really need is for Newcomb to figure it out. He is wrapping up his age 23 season and doesn't look ready for the MLB level at all. The clock isn't ticking, but they are starting to wind it up.

[jimsnores]

It's more about building up his workload. He likely won't get to 100 IP this year. Next year they will try to get him around 140, probably in A+. Then they have to get him over 180+, probably 2018 in AA. He will likely be on a pretty strict innings limit in 2018, so I wouldn't expect more than a spot start here or there.

In spring training 2019 he could possibly be an option to win a rotation spot in his age 21 season. That's the best case scenario in my opinion.

What the Braves really need is for Newcomb to figure it out. He is wrapping up his age 23 season and doesn't look ready for the MLB level at all. The clock isn't ticking, but they are starting to wind it up.

Newcomb has shown flashes. If he can consistently begin to produce the results he has occasionally produced, he might get there quickly. The question is, will he? It has happened with plenty of young guys in the past, but fewer succeed than fail. Maybe he'll succeed.

[msstate7]

Sims with some good and bad...

Good -- 5 k, 1 h, 0 er in 4.1

Bad -- 5 bb, error, and well, he only went 4.1

[jpack1]

It's like a broken record with the young pitchers. If he can harness his stuff he's gonna be good. If not he's not going to make it.

[msstate7]

Lien 3-4, hr (5th)

[msstate7]

Swanson now hitting .255. Anyone worried? Maybe a little concerned? Our other 2 prospects there are hitting .341 (Albies) and .295 (Peterson). Both of those guys are younger than Swanson too.

[Garmel]

Swanson now hitting .255. Anyone worried? Maybe a little concerned? Our other 2 prospects there are hitting .341 (Albies) and .295 (Peterson). Both of those guys are younger than Swanson too.

I'm hoping it's fatigue. If it isn't then it is something to worry about.

[msstate7]

I'm hoping it's fatigue. If it isn't then it is something to worry about.

Right now jace's ops (.755) at the MLB level is higher than swanson's (.747) at AA. Were we too quick to move Albies to 2b? Next year, our best MIF could've been Albies at SS and jace at 2b.

Hopefully Swanson is just fatigued and turns it on. I am a little concerned though TBH

[Jay2033]

Right now jace's ops (.755) at the MLB level is higher than swanson's (.747) at AA. Were we too quick to move Albies to 2b? Next year, our best MIF could've been Albies at SS and jace at 2b

Just because he's playing 2B doesn't mean he forgot how to play SS. He could always move back

[chop2chip]

Swanson now hitting .255. Anyone worried? Maybe a little concerned? Our other 2 prospects there are hitting .341 (Albies) and .295 (Peterson). Both of those guys are younger than Swanson too.
No.

[The Chosen One]

I have always wanted Albies at SS to be honest.

It is only right that we replace an amazing SS from Curacao with an amazing SS from Curacao.

[msstate7]

I have always wanted Albies at SS to be honest.

It is only right that we replace an amazing SS from Curacao with an amazing SS from Curacao.

Seems like playing both at SS until 1 makes us move the other was the better move imo

[Julio3000]

I've always been in the "don't sleep on Ozzie" camp, and I still think there's a reasonable (if small) chance he ends up at SS. I'm not worried about Swanson, but I think we should pump the brakes on comparing him to Larkin and Jeter.

Overall, though, our farm looks great right now. A couple of the position guys (notably Peterson) have stepped up, and the young(er) pitching looks as deep and talented as we've dared to hope. The only high-profile guy that I'm concerned about is Newcomb, and he, as noted upthread, has shown flashes.

[rico43]

Sims with some good and bad...

Good -- 5 k, 1 h, 0 er in 4.1

Bad -- 5 bb, error, and well, he only went 4.1

He threw 98 pitches

[msstate7]

He threw 98 pitches

Yep in only 4.1. Needs to be going 6+

[Enscheff]

Yep in only 4.1. Needs to be going 6+

And not walking a guy every inning. Common theme for all the major pitching prospects, and none of them have really made any progress.

[msstate7]

And not walking a guy every inning. Common theme for all the major pitching prospects, and none of them have really made any progress.

On tv tonight, they talked about wisler. Said he was working on certain things in his start last night. Any chance we send our guys out on starts working on certain pitches in certain locations or something like that and it hurts their walk totals? Probably reaching

[Enscheff]

On tv tonight, they talked about wisler. Said he was working on certain things in his start last night. Any chance we send our guys out on starts working on certain pitches in certain locations or something like that and it hurts their walk totals? Probably reaching

I think that they are always working on something, and they are always walking people. It doesn't matter what they are throwing and missing the zone with because they are going to have to be throwing those pitches for strikes at the MLB level anyways.

[smootness]

Who is sleeping on Albies?

[weso1]

Swanson now hitting .255. Anyone worried? Maybe a little concerned? Our other 2 prospects there are hitting .341 (Albies) and .295 (Peterson). Both of those guys are younger than Swanson too.

I think some of it is just bad luck. His minor league peripherals compare favorably to Trae Turner. Difference being Turner has a high babip and Swanson's is relatively low.

[Russ2dollas]

It's like a broken record with the young pitchers. If he can harness his stuff he's gonna be good. If not he's not going to make it.

That's what we want. Some won't make it.

Better than Wrenn where we'd say they have great control/command but no stuff.

[jpack1]

That's what we want. Some won't make it.

Better than Wrenn where we'd say they have great control/command but no stuff.

100% agree on the strategy. Ready to see it starts paying dividends and it should over the next few years.

Drafting all the pitching early certainly looks like the correct move at this point.