View Full Version : Gattis to AAA
BlackwaterPark
08-30-2013, 10:33 PM
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@Braves: Evan Gattis has been optioned to Gwinnett. A Corresponding move will be announced tomorrow.
jpack1
08-30-2013, 10:39 PM
Wow. Please be LA Stella to ATL. Please FW.
skillet
08-30-2013, 10:42 PM
Wow. When does Gwinnett's season end? There can't be very many games left for him to get into.
Wow. When does Gwinnett's season end? There can't be very many games left for him to get into.
Just three games. Their season ends on Tuesday.
skillet
08-30-2013, 10:47 PM
Just three games. Their season ends on Tuesday.
So then why make this move? It has to mean there is either a trade to be announced tomorrow or else they want someone up from the minors on the roster tomorrow so that they will be eligible for post-season play.
weso1
08-30-2013, 10:48 PM
DOB said it's just to get him some AB's.
He'll likely be called up right after rosters expand.
skillet
08-30-2013, 10:52 PM
DOB said it's just to get him some AB's.
He'll likely be called up right after rosters expand.
That doesn't make any sense. Three games, maybe 12 at-bats? And if he isn't brought up until Wednesday he won't be eligible for post-season play.
That doesn't make any sense. Three games, maybe 12 at-bats? And if he isn't brought up until Wednesday he won't be eligible for post-season play.
Yeah, I'm not really comprehending the official line behind why this move was made. There will be plenty of opportunities to get Gattis major league ABs the entire month of September. There must be somebody they really want to get on the 25-man before tomorrow.
Krovahn
08-30-2013, 10:55 PM
That doesn't make any sense. Three games, maybe 12 at-bats? And if he isn't brought up until Wednesday he won't be eligible for post-season play.
12 abs, at this time of the year especially, is enough to get someone's bat back in action.
skidlee
08-30-2013, 11:15 PM
Gattis will be post season eligible.
The rule is a player must be in your ORGANIZATION by August 31st. Not your 25 man roster
Gattis will be post season eligible.
The rule is a player must be in your ORGANIZATION by August 31st. Not your 25 man roster
Where does it say that?
Post-Season Roster Eligibility
1. All players on a club's MLB Active List (25-man roster) as of midnight (Eastern) on August 31st are eligible to be included on the club's post-season (LDS, LCS, or World Series) 25-man roster. Players who are on an MLB club's Disabled List, Bereavement List, Paternity List, Military List, Suspended List, or Restricted List (Prohibited Substance Suspension or extended Bereavement Leave only) as of midnight (Eastern) on August 31st are also eligible to be included on the club's post-season 25-man roster, but only after spending the minimum number of days required to be served by a player on that list. Players on the Disqualified List, Ineligible List, or Restricted List (for reasons other than extended Bereavement Leave or a Prohibited Substance Suspension) as of midnight August 31st are not eligible. Thus, as long as more than 25 players are eligible, the club's MLB Active List (25-man roster) can be "tweaked" prior to the start of each post-season series.
2. Generally, a post-season eligible player who is on an MLB Disabled List (7-day, 15-day, or 60-day) at the conclusion of the MLB regular season can be replaced on his club's LDS, LCS, or World Series Active List (25-man roster) by any player (regardless of position) who was in the club's organization as of midnight (Eastern) on August 31st, including players acquired from another organization prior to midnight on August 31st and minor leaguers who were not on the club's MLB 40-man roster at that time. Any player who is placed directly onto an MLB 60-day Disabled List after August 1st is NOT eligible to be replaced on a post-season roster (and is not eligible to be reinstated from the 60-day DL and placed onto the club's MLB Active List until 60 days have passed), but a player who is transferred from the 15-day DL to the 60-day DL after August 1st is eligible to be replaced. Players on the Disqualified List, Ineligible List, or Restricted List (for reasons other than extended Bereavement Leave or a Prohibited Substance Suspension) as of midnight (Eastern) on August 31st are not eligible to be a "replacement player." A player who is on a Disabled List or who is serving a Prohibited Substance Suspension cannot be a post-season "replacement player" until the player has served the required minimum number of days (if on a DL) or games (if suspended). If the "replacement player" is on a minor league reserve list, the player must be added to his club's MLB Reserve List (40-man roster) before he can be made eligible for the post-season.
3. A post-season eligible player who is injured prior to the start of a post-season series can (with approval of the MLB Commissioner) be replaced on his club's MLB Active List (25-man roster) for that series by another player (regardless of position) who was in the club's organization as of midnight August 31st, including players acquired from another organizaiton prior to midnight August 31st and minor league players who were not on the club's MLB 40-man roster at that time. Players on the Disqualified List, Ineligible List, or Restricted List (for reasons other than extended Bereavement Leave or a Prohibnited Substance Suspension) as of midnight August 31st are not eligible to be a "replacement player." A player who is on a Disabled List or who is serving a Prohibited Substance Suspension cannot be a post-season "replacement player" until the player has served the required minimum number of days (if on a DL) or games (if suspended). If a replacement player is on a minor league reserve list, the player mustr be added to his club's 40-man roster before he can be made eligible for the post-season.
4. A post-season eligible player who is injured during a post-season series can (with approval of the MLB Commissiner) be replaced on his club's MLB Active List (25-man roster) prior to the conclusion of that series by another player (albeit in this case a pitcher must replace a pitcher and a position player must replace a position player) who was in the club's organization as of midnight August 31st, including players acquired from another organizaton prior to midnight August 31st and minor league players who were not on the club's MLB 40-man at that time. Players on the Disqualified List, Ineligible List, or Restricted List (for reasons other than extended Bereavement Leave or a Prohibnited Substance Suspension) as of midnight August 31st are not eligible to be a "replacement player." A player who is on a Disabled List or who is serving a Prohibited Substance Suspension cannot be a post-season "replacement player" until the player has served the required minimum number of days (if on a DL) or games (if suspended). If a replacement player is on a minor league reserve list, the player mustr be added to his club's 40-man roster before he can be made eligible for the post-season.
5. If an injured pitcher or position player is replaced during a post-season series, the injured pitcher or position player is ineligible to be reinstated to his club's Active List (25-man roster) for the balance of that series and the next series (LCS or World Series).
Gattis will be post season eligible.
The rule is a player must be in your ORGANIZATION by August 31st. Not your 25 man roster
Well that's not really true about the rule, but you are correct about Gattis will indeed be post-season eligible. A player must be on the 25 man roster by midnight on August 31 in order to be postseason eligible. However, if someone previously from your 25 man were still on the DL at the end of the yr, you could replace him with any player who was in your organization on August 31st. Since we have several players on the DL who won't be back before the post-season, Gattis will definitely be eligible.
So basically if we had no players on the DL at the end of year, then Gattis wouldn't be eligible.
skidlee
08-30-2013, 11:46 PM
We discuss this every year. He is eligible for the post season.
No where does it say the the 25 man roster you have at midnight on August 31 is what you have to start the playoffs.
It says the on August 31 the players on your 25 man roster are eligible to be INCLUDED on your post season roster
We discuss this every year. He is eligible for the post season.
No where does it say the the 25 man roster you have at midnight on August 31 is what you have to start the playoffs.
It says the on August 31 the players on your 25 man roster are eligible to be INCLUDED on your post season roster
:facepalm:
Ok.
However, if someone previously from your 25 man were still on the DL at the end of the yr, you could replace him with any player who was in your organization on August 31st. Since we have several players on the DL who won't be back before the post-season, Gattis will definitely be eligible.
So basically if we had no players on the DL at the end of year, then Gattis wouldn't be eligible.
I'm getting confused by this. Any player placed on the DL over the course of this entire season, that is still disabled, is eligible to be used for replacement purposes Hudson/Martinez/Venters/Pastornicky, etc. ??? Even if they are on the 40-man?
cajunrevenge
08-31-2013, 12:20 AM
"A post-season eligible player who is injured prior to the start of a post-season series can (with approval of the MLB Commissioner) be replaced on his club's MLB Active List (25-man roster) for that series by another player (regardless of position) who was in the club's organization as of midnight August 31st,"
Someone is going to go on the DL with a headache the last day of the season
"A post-season eligible player who is injured prior to the start of a post-season series can (with approval of the MLB Commissioner) be replaced on his club's MLB Active List (25-man roster) for that series by another player (regardless of position) who was in the club's organization as of midnight August 31st,"
Someone is going to go on the DL with a headache the last day of the season
Probably Constanza (who appears to be the guy that will be called up tomorrow.)
We discuss this every year. He is eligible for the post season.
No where does it say the the 25 man roster you have at midnight on August 31 is what you have to start the playoffs.
It says the on August 31 the players on your 25 man roster are eligible to be INCLUDED on your post season roster
Actually it does, but not in the same words. But like any rule in baseball, there are loop holes, mostly through injuries. Anyone can sub in for an injured player as long as they are in your organization. But technically if you had no one on the DL from August 30th through the end of the season, then only the 25 man roster you had on Sept !st would be eligible.
Now obviously a team having no one on the DL rarely, if ever, happens, but still, those are the rules
I'm getting confused by this. Any player placed on the DL over the course of this entire season, that is still disabled, is eligible to be used for replacement purposes Hudson/Martinez/Venters/Pastornicky, etc. ??? Even if they are on the 40-man?
If I am understanding your question correctly, then yes.
It used to be that you had to swap position for position. So we couldn't replace say Huddy with Gattis. If we wanted Gattis on the playoff roster, we'd have to replace him with Reed Johnson.
jpack1
08-31-2013, 05:43 AM
A player just has to have been on the 25 man before September 1. That is the only requirement. Everyone who has been up at any point is eligible.
jpack1
08-31-2013, 05:54 AM
Just no one else after today.
Runnin
08-31-2013, 06:56 AM
I'm so glad we were able to get this figured out.
tvsportscaster
08-31-2013, 07:11 AM
A player just has to have been on the 25 man before September 1. That is the only requirement. Everyone who has been up at any point is eligible.
That is not necessarily true either. Freddy Garcia has not been on the 25-man roster before September 1, but because he has been in the organization prior to Sept. 1 he is eligible for the playoffs, as is Tyler Greene if they decide to use him.
PawPawMaxwell
08-31-2013, 07:45 AM
Someone clarify something for me. If players are in the minors, do they have to clear waivers before being traded at this point in time?
A wild ass thought, Detroit and Atlanta being cinches for the playoffs, Detroit needing a catcher and Atlanta having no viable backup for 3rd, would a trade of Gattis for Nick Castellanos be possible and allow both players to play in the post season?
tvsportscaster
08-31-2013, 07:48 AM
Yes, they have to clear waivers at this point, and neither would be eligible for the playoffs if they are traded after today.
Someone clarify something for me. If players are in the minors, do they have to clear waivers before being traded at this point in time?
A wild ass thought, Detroit and Atlanta being cinches for the playoffs, Detroit needing a catcher and Atlanta having no viable backup for 3rd, would a trade of Gattis for Nick Castellanos be possible and allow both players to play in the post season?
nsacpi
08-31-2013, 08:09 AM
Here's a plausible way Gattis gets on the post-season roster. Reed Johnson, whose Achilles injury has been very slow to heal, gets activated at some point in September. By the end of September it is determined he has to go back on the DL. This creates a slot for Gattis or another player in the organization to replace Reed on the list of players eligible for the post-season.
BlackwaterPark
08-31-2013, 08:14 AM
I bet this was just a money thing. No reason not to do this two weeks ago, other than wanting to cash in on Gattis night last night...
weso1
08-31-2013, 08:44 AM
A player just has to have been on the 25 man before September 1. That is the only requirement. Everyone who has been up at any point is eligible.
This makes the most sense. I choose to believe this.
Here's a plausible way Gattis gets on the post-season roster. Reed Johnson, whose Achilles injury has been very slow to heal, gets activated at some point in September. By the end of September it is determined he has to go back on the DL. This creates a slot for Gattis or another player in the organization to replace Reed on the list of players eligible for the post-season.
But we want Reed, our best pinch hitter, on our postseason roster.
I'm so glad we were able to get this figured out.
Nobody actually knows, it's funny what some of the people around here pull out of their asses claiming as fact.
NYCBrave
08-31-2013, 09:47 AM
I bet this was just a money thing. No reason not to do this two weeks ago, other than wanting to cash in on Gattis night last night...
Exactly!!!! It would have also been a horrible PR move if he was sent down before "El Oso Blanco" night
Constanza indeed the guy called up, confirmed by the Braves.
Runnin
08-31-2013, 10:04 AM
Nobody actually knows,
That much is clear.
The White Bear will be back.
drewdat
08-31-2013, 10:31 AM
They should just change it to 40-man roster IMO.
bravebonebook
08-31-2013, 10:43 AM
They did it so message boards could argue and discuss the rules of playoff eligibility before Sept. 1!
And Costanza called up sucks. That means that the brilliance of the 'waiver wire' prevented the Braves from getting another bat or bullpen arm. Many of the other teams got better while the Braves were blocked or denied (i.e. Brewers) just because of the great W-L record. Hope Heyward comes back because Atlanta will hit the playoffs with just this group. Will it be enough without Jason? We'll see.
zedsdead
08-31-2013, 11:12 AM
Who exactly did Gattis piss off? He doesn't even get the start and then is demoted on his own night?
emk418
08-31-2013, 11:41 AM
Good move. Gattis needs at bats. He'll be back and will be on the post season roster.
PawPawMaxwell
08-31-2013, 11:50 AM
Constanza indeed the guy called up, confirmed by the Braves.
But.............WHY?
PawPawMaxwell
08-31-2013, 12:03 PM
Seriously. he brings nothing needed to the table. A 3rd CFer? He certainly is no corner OFer. A pinch runner. Already got those in Cunningham and E Johnson.
Was there no one in the Gwinette bullpen who could have spelled the already worn down pen? Why not Obispo for a game or 2? Have some of the Braves players cleared waivers and we havent heard?
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Really a baffling move IMO.
benchguy
08-31-2013, 12:18 PM
Sept call ups, they can expand the roster with extra players including pitchers..and
rest the regular for post season..
Seriously. he brings nothing needed to the table. A 3rd CFer? He certainly is no corner OFer. A pinch runner. Already got those in Cunningham and E Johnson.
Was there no one in the Gwinette bullpen who could have spelled the already worn down pen? Why not Obispo for a game or 2? Have some of the Braves players cleared waivers and we havent heard?
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Really a baffling move IMO.
PawPawMaxwell
08-31-2013, 12:38 PM
Sept call ups, they can expand the roster with extra players including pitchers..and
rest the regular for post season..
I understand Sept call ups. They are used to: !. Help the team or 2. Reward a minor league player who can use a little pocket money, or 3. Reward a player who has earned a roster spot. Constanza has no place on a playoff team.
benchguy
08-31-2013, 01:20 PM
not the point, the point is they can bring anyone up Sep 1...so don't see the big deal..
I understand Sept call ups. They are used to: !. Help the team or 2. Reward a minor league player who can use a little pocket money, or 3. Reward a player who has earned a roster spot. Constanza has no place on a playoff team.
bravesnumberone
08-31-2013, 03:21 PM
Soooooooo could they not just start Gattis the next couple days if they were just going to call him back up? Or is Elliot just that golden?
Bama9507
08-31-2013, 03:52 PM
Remember when people said we should trade McCann because Gattis and his .300 OBP was better?
The Chosen One
08-31-2013, 03:59 PM
Elliot Johnson is the clubhouse presence we need for leadership like Brian Jordan.
weso1
08-31-2013, 08:44 PM
Elliot Johnson is the clubhouse presence we need for leadership like Brian Jordan.
I don't understand this post, but I agree with it.
Bravesfan205
08-31-2013, 11:06 PM
Btw Gattis was 2-4 with 2 doubles tonight
Bravesfan205
09-01-2013, 07:44 PM
So far tonight Evan is 2-2 with home run
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