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zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 07:26 PM
Drumpf projected to win Indiana and Kentucky (shockers)
Shillary projected to win Vermont (shocker)
Rand Paul and Tim Leahy projected winners in the SEnate.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 07:40 PM
Drumpf wins WV
Scott and Portman win senate.

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 08:09 PM
http://images.dailykos.com/images/318427/story_image/ClosingEastern.png?1477599760

weso1
11-08-2016, 08:13 PM
Florida is very close. Clinton leading, but panhandle still to report in.

weso1
11-08-2016, 08:15 PM
Trump just took the lead in Florida while still missing some panhandle counties.

Krgrecw
11-08-2016, 08:16 PM
Trump just took the lead in Florida while still missing some panhandle counties.

Are the panhandle counties more democratic?

weso1
11-08-2016, 08:22 PM
Are the panhandle counties more democratic?

Lots of reds there.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:23 PM
Are the panhandle counties more democratic?

Nope, the exact opposite. They usually are huge numbers for republicans. Which is why florida is interesting, Trump will win the most area but will hillary keep it close enough that she can win the state with places like Miami-Dade and Palm Beach?

weso1
11-08-2016, 08:26 PM
Important to point out that Rubio way out performed Trump in Florida.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:28 PM
Important to point out that Rubio way out performed Trump in Florida.

Rubio would probably win the election if he was the nominee. Hillary has been abused and only reason she's still a shoe-in to win short of a Trump miracle is that he's the worst presidential candidate maybe ever. Only thing he has going for him is Charisma. Literally indicted for rape and fraud and going to court.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:30 PM
ANd with Indiana projections of Young over Byah the Reps chances of holding onto the Senate are better than the odds of the dems taking over for sure.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 08:31 PM
Time for me to join the party. Whoa baby, Florida is closeeeeeee

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:36 PM
And 538 now has the reps chance of holding onto the Seanta at 69% which is about what I saw.

weso1
11-08-2016, 08:37 PM
Just based on early results it does look like Trump will at least do better than Romney did.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 08:38 PM
Hmmmm
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zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:38 PM
JODY AVIRGAN 8:36 PM
As I told Clare in our video chat a few minutes ago, all the exit poll data so far has made me really despondent about the state of our politics. The gulfs are widening along gender, education, class, and urban/rural divides. This is, of course, nothing new — we’ve been talking about it for months — but I suppose Election Day is turning into a big, clarifying, heartbreaking reminder.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:39 PM
ABC News projects Reps retain House.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:40 PM
Florida passing medical marijuana

Carp
11-08-2016, 08:41 PM
Florida is down to one county looks like. Extremely tight race.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:42 PM
Florida is down to one county looks like. Extremely tight race.

Florida won't be called til every vote is counted and recounted. Cause you can bet your ass someone will call for a recount be it Shillary or Drumpf.

Carp
11-08-2016, 08:44 PM
Florida passing medical marijuana

Good news for them. Should be legal within the next 4 years I imagine.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 08:48 PM
That area in northwest Florida from Pensacola to Panama City is heavily Republican. That may be pushing the state to Trump

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 08:52 PM
Good news for them. Should be legal within the next 4 years I imagine.

Haven't seen anything yet on the recreational weed races, but I'd be surprised if California and Massachusetts didn't pass.

Carp
11-08-2016, 08:55 PM
Things could get really interesting if Trump takes VA, NC, and Florida. I wouldn't have expected him to pull even 2 of those a week ago.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:55 PM
Haven't seen anything yet on the recreational weed races, but I'd be surprised if California and Massachusetts didn't pass.

Mass is really tight right now. Maine is IIRC projected the more likely of the 2 to pass based on polling but in a state that small, who knows. I hope Maine passes legal pot, would make it easier to convince my gf to go to Portland. Will also likely lead to way more cops on the NH border looking for people coming in with weed. NH is for sure the last New England state (though Rhode Island may win) that will legalize weed.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 08:58 PM
Things could get really interesting if Trump takes VA, NC, and Florida. I wouldn't have expected him to pull even 2 of those a week ago.

Yup. Shows just how ****ty of a candidate Shillary is if she can't be a racist, sexist, unqualified, belligerent, orange buffoon.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 08:59 PM
I am real surprised Virginia is as close as it is right now

Oklahomahawk
11-08-2016, 08:59 PM
Haven't seen anything yet on the recreational weed races, but I'd be surprised if California and Massachusetts didn't pass.

After this election cycle we're all gonna need it.

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:00 PM
Some news media now calling Florida for Trump.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:01 PM
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/13570420/florida-medical-marijuana-election-2016

Carp
11-08-2016, 09:02 PM
Yup. Shows just how ****ty of a candidate Shillary is if she can't be a racist, sexist, unqualified, belligerent, orange buffoon.

For real. I almost want her to win, simply for the fact both candidates are super likely to be 1 term Presidents. And whatever party they're attached to is going to feel the backlash.

Well that, and all the stuff you said as well. Why couldnt Gary Johnson be invited to the debates again????

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:02 PM
Some news media now calling Florida for Trump.

Way too early from 538

Watch Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Hillsborough Counties in Florida for signs of a Clinton comeback. Especially Broward, which has been slow to count today’s votes; nearly 30 percent of people in the county are African-American. Obama won more than two votes for every one won by Romney there in 2012, and Clinton is leading by an even bigger margin in the southeastern county among votes counted so far this year.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:03 PM
I am real surprised Virginia is as close as it is right now

I'm not, Hilalry sucks and before Obama it was a routinely red state. Obama had the charm and charisma t oturn the maybes. Clinton doesn't.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 09:05 PM
Wall street not happy right now.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:05 PM
Amazing.

Trump leading North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, and Virginia.

And closing the gap in Michigan.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 09:07 PM
For real. I almost want her to win, simply for the fact both candidates are super likely to be 1 term Presidents. And whatever party they're attached to is going to feel the backlash.

I'm content that the most likely outcome is she wins the Presidency and the GOP takes the House and Senate. That's probably the path of least potential damage. Hope for gridlock and a reboot in 4 years.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:07 PM
I'm not, Hilalry sucks and before Obama it was a routinely red state. Obama had the charm and charisma t oturn the maybes. Clinton doesn't.

Maybe, but I expect Hillary will overcome Donald when the northern Virginia counties come in. I will be stunned if Trump hangs on there

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:08 PM
Wall street not happy right now.

Why wouldn't they be? If Hillary wins they get someone on the payroll in office.

if Trump wins they get one of their own in office.

Win-win for them. Infact they were the winners because the oil interest candidates that usually dominate the Rs were blown up in the battle that Trump snuck in and won.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:09 PM
Nate Silver saying 69% chance Republicans hold on to the Senate

sturg33
11-08-2016, 09:10 PM
Why wouldn't they be? If Hillary wins they get someone on the payroll in office.

if Trump wins they get one of their own in office.

Win-win for them. Infact they were the winners because the oil interest candidates that usually dominate the Rs were blown up in the battle that Trump snuck in and won.

Hilary is the wall street candidate... she is owned and corps know that.

Trump is a loose cannon and as fas as I can tell, isn't a slave to corporate interests.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 09:10 PM
Even if you despise the candidates, this is fun. A presidential election is almost sports.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:10 PM
Holy crap. Even Minnesota is a toss up right now

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:11 PM
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zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:12 PM
Nate Silver saying 69% chance Republicans hold on to the Senate

Yup, basically Dems best bet seems to be winning NH and NV and holding onto PA. Only the latter being likely.

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:12 PM
Amazing.

Trump leading North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, and Virginia.

And closing the gap in Michigan.

I would be shocked if Trump wins Virginia, but if he does then he doesn't need Nevada or New Hampshire according to my math.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:12 PM
Said all along Trump has outperformed polls.

And that Hillary doesn't have the charisma,popularity, or "It" factor Obama has.

Can't say I'm surprised Trump is performing this well, not sure if he's gonna win but man this is crazy to watch unfold live.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:13 PM
Hilary is the wall street candidate... she is owned and corps know that.

Trump is a loose cannon and as fas as I can tell, isn't a slave to corporate interests.

Trump is best friends with many of the guys running the place. He may not be bought by them, but you can bet he owes them somethings or there are somethings they know about them.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:13 PM
Even if you despise the candidates, this is fun. A presidential election is almost sports.

Hey, I mean if we didn't have politics we wouldn't have you on this forum to join us. :cooter:

sturg33
11-08-2016, 09:16 PM
Trump is best friends with many of the guys running the place. He may not be bought by them, but you can bet he owes them somethings or there are somethings they know about them.

Well... Dow futures down 300 points on the possibility Trump wins... that should tell you all you need to know.

This after gaining 350 after the Comey announcement

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:17 PM
Well... Dow futures down 300 points on the possibility Trump wins... that should tell you all you need to know.

This after gaining 350 after the Comey announcement

I was just about to post the same thing. Very interesting

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:17 PM
If Trump flips Michigan... what's the math after that?

Krgrecw
11-08-2016, 09:18 PM
What channels are you guys watching?

Foxnews here

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:18 PM
This really wouldn't be happening right now if Grandpa Bernie or Uncle Joe were top of the ticket.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:19 PM
What channels are you guys watching?

Foxnews here

Turn into MSNBC every few minutes to hear what some of their guys think and to see the long faces.

Watching CNN because their graphics are much better than MSNBC. MSNBC used to have the best election graphics on screen but now they changed colors and format and it looks terrible.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:20 PM
What channels are you guys watching?

Foxnews here

Same here

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:20 PM
If Trump flips Michigan... what's the math after that?

It opens up a plethora of paths for him.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 09:20 PM
Biden kills him... Bernie I don't know about... A regular republican would crush him due to him being a socialist... But he does "come across" more trustworthy than Trump so he may have had a chance

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:20 PM
What channels are you guys watching?

Foxnews here

Flipping between all three is the way to go.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:21 PM
It opens up a plethora of paths for him.

Well he's not winning California, Oregon, Washington, or Hawaii.

So what about Colorado, Penn, Nevada, Minnesota?

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:21 PM
I think it says something that they haven't called PA yet, but they have called Georgia.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 09:21 PM
Trump crushing the popular vote too... a ****ty start to the night for the establishment

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:22 PM
Biden kills him... Bernie I don't know about... A regular republican would crush him due to him being a socialist... But he does "come across" more trustworthy than Trump so he may have had a chance

Well, he attacks better than Hillary.

Hillary's attacks on Trump have been weak. They've tried to get him to self destruct instead of attacking and attacking.

Bernie would counterpunch better than Hillary did in a debate, if it were Uncle Joe it'd be no contest.

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:22 PM
Well he's not winning California, Oregon, Washington, or Hawaii.

So what about Colorado, Penn, Nevada, Minnesota?

If he pulls off a huge upset in Michigan, Penn or Minnesota then it would be a huge shock if he wasn't president. Just hard to believe that it wouldn't translate across the country.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:23 PM
I think it says something that they haven't called PA yet, but they have called Georgia.

I'm going to flip Georgia in 16 years.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 09:24 PM
Hey, I mean if we didn't have politics we wouldn't have you on this forum to join us. :cooter:
That's true...I'd vote for Bernie before I would ever root against the Mets.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:24 PM
Detroit Free Press calling Michigan for Clinton

Carp
11-08-2016, 09:25 PM
Bernie or Biden easily (and I mean easily) beat Trump. Trump's platform at this point is essentially "At least I'm not Hillary." Aside from the wall and Muslims, when is the last time he spent a good amount of time talking up his platform?

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:25 PM
Hillary's people said they were preparing two speeches for her, so they obviously knew this was going to be a long night.

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:27 PM
Burr just called in North Carolina for US senate. Huge win for republicans. All eyes in New Hampshire. Republicans likely to hold senate for at least 4 years if they hold this election.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 09:27 PM
Dow futures down 400 points

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 09:27 PM
Over 40 million votes have been counted so far for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton to be President of the United States. Is this real life?

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:30 PM
The Democratic pundits on Fox are in spin mode right now

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:31 PM
Bernie or Biden easily (and I mean easily) beat Trump. Trump's platform at this point is essentially "At least I'm not Hillary." Aside from the wall and Muslims, when is the last time he spent a good amount of time talking up his platform?

He doesn't have a platform. He's a hollow candidate. Bernie would eviscerate Trump. Some would not vote for him because of being a socialist. But the people who are voting Trump because he's not Hillary would likely back Sanders because he's not Clinton or Trump.

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:33 PM
I'm going to flip Georgia in 16 years.

Maybe, but you might regret it by then.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 09:35 PM
The fact of the matter is that both candidates are facing the only candidate either of them could possibly beat

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:35 PM
796178414705090560

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:35 PM
Maybe, but you might regret it by then.

Will I regret running for President in 16 years? That's why I'm waiting for 16 years so I can live some of my life....

Carp
11-08-2016, 09:36 PM
Trump being given a 95 percent chance of wining Florida now. Would be a huge win for him if it stays.

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 09:36 PM
Hillary polled +20 in every poll.in the primary in Michigan and lost by 1.5 to Bernie. With Colorado Hillary was exposed as being against legalization in every sense in the emails. So I won't be surprised if either flips to Trump.

Carp
11-08-2016, 09:38 PM
The fact of the matter is that both candidates are facing the only candidate either of them could possibly beat

:happy0157::happy0157::happy0157:

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:38 PM
Trump NOW up in New Hampshire.

My goodness.

Carp
11-08-2016, 09:40 PM
Trump being given a 95 percent chance of wining Florida now. Would be a huge win for him if it stays.



Excuse me.... it would be a YUUUGE win for the Don.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:40 PM
Trump NOW up in New Hampshire.

My goodness.

NH Will go to the wire. And realize that Trump and Clinton both will do well. Sanders would have dominated the state though.

Looking at the key states. Only a few that Clinton is battling trump in do I think Sanders may have lost to Trump. Pennsylvania being one.I think he more than makes up for it by locking down Michigan, I think he could have Flipped Florida to be tight but in his favor, and I think he wins VA and NC.

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:41 PM
796178414705090560

Uh... guys?

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:42 PM
CNN projects Colorado for CLinton. We'll see if other outlets follow. Would be her first battle ground win that she needs.

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:43 PM
Will I regret running for President in 16 years? That's why I'm waiting for 16 years so I can live some of my life....

I think I misread your post. My bad. I meant to say maybe as a dem you'd regret flipping it to R in 16 years because you may become an R.

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 09:43 PM
55% chance Not Hillary wins! Time for her to feel what she sentenced millions of Americans to!

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:44 PM
The Hill calls NM for Hillary

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 09:44 PM
TRUMP!

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:47 PM
Trump leading in Wisconsin. GOOD GAWD O'MIGHTY

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:48 PM
Everyone else calling Reps for the house now.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:49 PM
No shock here, but Clinton has pulled ahead in Virginia.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:49 PM
Trump leading in Wisconsin. GOOD GAWD O'MIGHTY

And important thing to remember is a lot of time the places that get the votes in first are more rural places aka places where less people have to be counted

That's why despite having the lead now, 538 gives Hillary an 84% chance of winnign Virginia.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 09:51 PM
The weed votes all close. Cmonnnnnn weed. Oh, there's a presidential race going on?

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:51 PM
Everyone else calling Reps for the house now.

Don't think we had a chance of ever taking the House back, even in a Clinton landslide.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 09:52 PM
Has a vote been counted for Johnson yet? Any chance he gets to 5%?

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:53 PM
Don't think we had a chance of ever taking the House back, even in a Clinton landslide.

Dems may never get the house back because they lack the ability to win the mid-terms. They need to mobilize people in midterms to have a prayer.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 09:57 PM
Interesting that they haven't called Florida yet.

Hillary still isn't out mathematically, but it's all but over.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:58 PM
Fox has called Virginia for Clinton

weso1
11-08-2016, 09:58 PM
Virginia now called for Hillary. A not surprising, but critical win for Hillary.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 09:58 PM
Has a vote been counted for Johnson yet? Any chance he gets to 5%?

I hope so. With 1.5M votes and about 3% already he's surpassed 2012 which is huge. Stein may surpass the 1.2M Johnson got in 2012 depending on how the west coast shakes out.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 09:59 PM
Virginia now called for Hillary. A not surprising, but critical win for Hillary.

Huge sigh of relief for the Clinton camp

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:00 PM
HRC getting 93% of DC votes to Trump's 4%...

Seriously?

Is our government that liberal?

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 10:01 PM
NY Times now reporting 59% chance Not Hillary wins!



Edit- I hear 3% for GJ nationally.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:01 PM
Interesting that they haven't called Florida yet.

Hillary still isn't out mathematically, but it's all but over.

It's not though. They're not calling it for a reason. All the places Trump was expected to win except one are all in. Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach are not. The 100K or so votes Trump has a lead right now could easily flip in Broward alone.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:02 PM
HRC getting 93% of DC votes to Trump's 4%...

Seriously?

Is our government that liberal?

Nope but Trump is that scary to registered Democrats. That being said Democrats rely much heavier on independents in these elections than Reps.

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:02 PM
NY Times now reporting 59% chance Not Hillary wins!



Edit- I hear 3% for GJ nationally.

I don't believe their algorithm, fwiw. Hillary is still favored to win, but it may only be by one or two small population states.

Carp
11-08-2016, 10:05 PM
It's not though. They're not calling it for a reason. All the places Trump was expected to win except one are all in. Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach are not. The 100K or so votes Trump has a lead right now could easily flip in Broward alone.

From what I'm reading, there's about 5 percent left to be counted and Hillary has a good amount of ground to make up. Of the votes remaining, she likely needs two votes for every 1 trump vote.

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 10:05 PM
I think these early Trump reports are fabricated to get out the vote in the Western battleground states.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:07 PM
Trump is the favorite to win

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:07 PM
796187079126487041

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:08 PM
DOW down 550 points...

It should be clear that the crony capitalists support HRC

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:09 PM
So with Hillary projected to win Virginia and Colorado, she's held onto 2 of her Firewall states. I think Pennsylvania is likely hers as well. Looks pretty good as long as she holds Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota in the midwest

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/snake-1000pm.png?w=575

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:10 PM
Fox calls NC Senate race to Burr

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:10 PM
Trump is the favorite to win

and his lead is growing

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 10:11 PM
NY times 73% Trump

548 72% Clinton


wut?

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:12 PM
From what I'm reading, there's about 5 percent left to be counted and Hillary has a good amount of ground to make up. Of the votes remaining, she likely needs two votes for every 1 trump vote.

And they're in areas she has about a 2-1 advantage over Trump. No one is calling Florida yet for a reason.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:13 PM
DOW futures down 625

Carp
11-08-2016, 10:13 PM
Trump and Hillary separated by just 20k vores in VA with 7 percent left to be counted. Did they call it too soon for Hillary?

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:13 PM
NY times 73% Trump

548 72% Clinton


wut?

I trust 538 implicitly

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:14 PM
Its almost close to a lock now. Trump gonna make america great again

Julio3000
11-08-2016, 10:14 PM
So with Hillary projected to win Virginia and Colorado, she's held onto 2 of her Firewall states. I think Pennsylvania is likely hers as well. Looks pretty good as long as she holds Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota in the midwest

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/snake-1000pm.png?w=575

That looks like a big ask right now.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:14 PM
796186331416330240

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:15 PM
NY times 73% Trump

548 72% Clinton


wut?

The NYT algorithm is not accurate. 538 is still on track.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:15 PM
Trump and Hillary separated by just 20k vores in VA with 7 percent left to be counted. Did they call it too soon for Hillary?

MAybe. But realize that when they call states it's based off a **** ton of things from previous voting records and exit polls and tons of stuff. You don't see these get flipped too often anymore. It can happen, but I think it settles with Clinton winning by a percentage point or 2.

Carp
11-08-2016, 10:15 PM
And they're in areas she has about a 2-1 advantage over Trump. No one is calling Florida yet for a reason.

I rather doubt she holds a 2-1 advantage much of anywhere in FL.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:16 PM
I trust 538 implicitly

You realize its only called states on 538? when they call Florida, it is gonna to swing.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:16 PM
Honestly electoral math still looks good for HRC...

But I give a lot of weight to the financial markets and the betting markets.

And they're pointing to Trump now

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:17 PM
What this is showing is how much many Americans cannot stand Hillary Clinton. She may still win, but she would not be a popular president.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 10:18 PM
Nate Silver says 60% HRC...seriously considering betting on her if the betting markets are really swinging that far in his favor.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:18 PM
That looks like a big ask right now.

Indeed. Losing Michigan would be huge. She'd have to win NC or FLorida then. Her losing Michigan isn't as bad as Trump losing Florida whic Basically would sink him, but it's a threat.

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:18 PM
538 is 55/44 Clinton right now.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:19 PM
Nate Silver says 60% HRC...seriously considering betting on her if the betting markets are really swinging that far in his favor.

i would not. If she loses Florida, shes a big dog.

MrShwag
11-08-2016, 10:19 PM
November SURPRISE (not for me).

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:19 PM
Fox bringing up a good point... the pain of Obama care is real and may be being reflected now

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:20 PM
Fox bringing up a good point... the pain of Obama care is real and may be being reflected now

I heard the same thing and I completely agree

Krgrecw
11-08-2016, 10:20 PM
Same here


What this is showing is how much many Americans cannot stand Hillary Clinton. She may still win, but she would not be a popular president.

I think there's more to it than that. Working class whites are pissed about our current PC culture and big government.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:20 PM
i would not. If she loses Florida, shes a big dog.

He needs a lot more than Florida...

but the Virginia numbers tell me that every place is going to be better for Trump than the polls showed

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:21 PM
i would not. If she loses Florida, shes a big dog.

Trump still has to win Nevada and NH if he doesn't pull off a shock in the midwest.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:21 PM
You realize its only called states on 538? when they call Florida, it is gonna to swing.

Correct, and when they call Pennsylvania it will swing. And Colorado, and Virginia. Right now the numbers are based on all probably outcomes. Trump got a big boost on Michigan being too close to call. With that in mind, calling Florida will for sure help him, but an Ohio flip which could happen would hurt his percentage.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:21 PM
NBC calls Ohio for Trump

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:21 PM
Seeing calls of Ohio for Trump. One of them MSNBC

Krgrecw
11-08-2016, 10:22 PM
Where's 57?

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:23 PM
Wow......
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acesfull86
11-08-2016, 10:23 PM
Swap Trump for Rubio or Jeb or Kasich and is this a rout? Or did Trump drum up enthusiasm that those guys could never do?

MrShwag
11-08-2016, 10:23 PM
Where's 57?

I hope he's OK

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:23 PM
I think there's more to it than that. Working class whites are pissed about our current PC culture and big government.

Nope.

They don't like Clinton. Crimson hit the nail on the head. Clinton isn't mobilizing voters as well as Obama did. She's losing big in many places Obama dominated.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:24 PM
I'm following the money... and the money is saying Trump wins.

Which is a stunner

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:24 PM
Swap Trump for Rubio or Jeb or Kasich and is this a rout? Or did Trump drum up enthusiasm that those guys could never do?

Not Jeb. But I think Kasich takes down Hillary and I think Rubio takes her down as well.

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:24 PM
Ho.. lee.. ****.. Nate Silver just tweeted that they are now calling Michigan as 50/50.

MrShwag
11-08-2016, 10:24 PM
Swap Trump for Rubio or Jeb or Kasich and is this a rout? Or did Trump drum up enthusiasm that those guys could never do?

WRONG> They would have been eaten alive. You people still don't get it. It's a movement. And it's centered around Trump.

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:25 PM
Nate Silver...

Guys, the odds you see on 538 right now are based only on CALLED STATES. Clinton's odds will crash when/if Florida is called against her.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:25 PM
Trump aint losing Ohio

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 10:26 PM
I am partial to 538. Probably just because of Nate Silver's connection to baseball, but whatever, good or bad his is the source I trust.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:27 PM
DOW futures down 700 points

holy ****

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:27 PM
Ho.. lee.. ****.. Nate Silver just tweeted that they are now calling Michigan as 50/50.

That was on the site awhile ago. the Shocker is that Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are put in the algorithm as too close to call. Trumps odds flipped massively on 538.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:28 PM
DOW futures down 700 points

holy ****

Dad Gum.....

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:29 PM
DOW futures down 700 points

holy ****

Uh... guys?

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:29 PM
I am partial to 538. Probably just because of Nate Silver's connection to baseball, but whatever, good or bad his is the source I trust.

Again, his odds are based on pre election predictions and called states. Trump is getting far more votes than anyone expected. He is a big favorite to win now.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:29 PM
Trump aint losing Ohio

Trump was expected to Win Ohio. FLorida is the coup he wants.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:29 PM
If there is any more proof that Trump is not a bought candidate of the establishment, the stock market reaction is it

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 10:29 PM
DOW futures down 700 points

holy ****

I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:29 PM
Uh... guys?

Im putting so much into the stock market tomorrow, I might eat Ramen Noodles for 2 months.

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 10:30 PM
So what is Alex Jones going to do when his boy is in the white house? How is he going to rail against secret government conspiracies when he has the President on speed dial.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:30 PM
And bam, 538 has Trump with a 55% chance.

MrShwag
11-08-2016, 10:31 PM
If there is any more proof that Trump is not a bought candidate of the establishment, the stock market reaction is it

For a second I didn't understand what you meant. But after re-reading.. Agree wholeheartedly. And of course he's not. He legit scares the bejeezus out of the estabs.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:31 PM
HELLO!
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sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:32 PM
So what is Alex Jones going to do when his boy is in the white house? How is he going to rail against secret government conspiracies when he has the President on speed dial.

He will have plenty to complain about if Trump follows through on his rhetoric

MrShwag
11-08-2016, 10:32 PM
So what is Alex Jones going to do when his boy is in the white house? How is he going to rail against secret government conspiracies when he has the President on speed dial.

Silly rabbit. The Empire always strikes back.

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:33 PM
And bam, 538 has Trump with a 55% chance.

I can't believe this crap, but it's true. What a moment to be alive.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:35 PM
She has to win Michigan AND Wisconsin or she might as well throw in the towel.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 10:35 PM
I can't believe this crap, but it's true. What a moment to be alive.

Going to be a wild four years.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:36 PM
I can't believe this crap, but it's true. What a moment to be alive.

VA called so shes 52%

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:38 PM
With VA to Clinton 538 gives her the electoral edge. With NC being so close if it's not projected I think they move it to too close to call status as well which will likely benefit her.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 10:38 PM
I'm still fairly confident she's going to win, but the drama is fun.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:38 PM
Seeing the meltdown on twitter from the arrogant smug libs is entertaining.

And I'm a little tired of seeing that "half the country voted for racism and sexism"... enough already

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 10:39 PM
https://i.redditmedia.com/EWONaX2ClCxZPj5I0QnNl-qedxkvvm-TD2VbslitE6s.jpg?w=853&

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:39 PM
Going to be a wild four years.

I'd put his odds of serving 4 years at about 5%. Someone will off him or he'll be impeached in no time.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:41 PM
She's in YUGE trouble in Wisconsin. RUT ROH!

Carp
11-08-2016, 10:42 PM
With VA to Clinton 538 gives her the electoral edge. With NC being so close if it's not projected I think they move it to too close to call status as well which will likely benefit her.

Trump has a pretty commanding lead in NC currently. About 5 points with over 80 percent reported.

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:43 PM
Whether or not Trump wins or loses, his kids are now positioned to become legitimate political candidates going forward. Here's a guy who is seriously flawed and he came within a state or two of winning the presidency. His kids are more disciplined and they've got the same name recognition.

MrShwag
11-08-2016, 10:43 PM
I'd put his odds of serving 4 years at about 5%. Someone will off him or he'll be impeached in no time.

So democratic of you. Douche.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:45 PM
Fox projects North Carolina for Trump

weso1
11-08-2016, 10:45 PM
Trump wins North Carolina.

Julio3000
11-08-2016, 10:46 PM
I agree 100% with Crimson. There's an anti-Clinton vote coming in from the hinterlands.

FWIW, I'm with Zito that a President Trump doesn't finish a term.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 10:47 PM
Where's 57?


He's sitting back waiting to say I told you so...HRC still going to get the W tonight...the people on Fox need a pants change right now but people are jumping the gun

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:47 PM
796196267126915072

MrShwag
11-08-2016, 10:47 PM
You brainwashed libs STILL have no idea. Eight years of MAGA are coming your way... AND, you're going to love it. You're going to get tired of winning so much.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:48 PM
He's sitting back waiting to say I told you so...HRC still going to get the W tonight...the people on Fox need a pants change right now but people are jumping the gun

Trump is going to win.

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 10:49 PM
Hillary nearly lost the election in Virgina. Won by a hair, would be over if she lost that. Hillary didnt win the Michigan primaries. They heavily campaigned there the last few days. That will be her Waterloo.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:49 PM
Now Hillary is starting to lose ground in Pennsylvania.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:49 PM
796197301152661504

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 10:50 PM
For Hillary she needs to win Michigan, PA, and Wisconsin. If she wins those 3 it would take a lot for Trump to win. He'd have to take NH and one of Maine's votes. Which he could.

Realistically though, PA and Florida are the ones to watch. They're the ones that Hillary and Trump can't afford to lose. One of them taking both of those states basically seals the election.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:51 PM
Republicans hold on to another Senate seat as Ron Johnson wins in Wisconsin

MrShwag
11-08-2016, 10:51 PM
Honestly guys, it's gotta be the Russians lololololololololol

Krgrecw
11-08-2016, 10:52 PM
Will Comey be fired before the week is over?


I wouldn't doubt it.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:53 PM
Ohhhh boyyyyy
796197213936451584

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 10:53 PM
Trump is going to win.

He still needs a lot to go his way. Still has to break the "blue wall."

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:53 PM
Seeing some calls for Trump and Florida

Carp
11-08-2016, 10:54 PM
Florida called for Trump. Michigan, NC, and Wisconsin all trending Trump right now.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:56 PM
Trump takes Florida. Looking good in Wisconsin and Michigan. Gaining ground in Penn with areas outside of Philly.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 10:57 PM
TV pundit in shock right now

keithlaw
11-08-2016, 10:57 PM
Trump takes Florida. Looking good in Wisconsin and Michigan. Gaining ground in Penn with areas outside of Philly.

NYT gives him a 64% chance at taking PA

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 10:57 PM
Zeets can't get over it, but most of the major Blue spots in Florida are nearly finished counting.

It should have been called for him a while ago.

keithlaw
11-08-2016, 10:58 PM
The way things are looking Nate will have to change his name to Bronze

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 10:58 PM
NYT 93% Nit Hillary wins!

Runnin
11-08-2016, 10:58 PM
I'm still fairly confident she's going to win, but the drama is fun.

The drama is absolutely NOT fun.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 10:59 PM
The drama is absolutely NOT fun.

When you don't care who wins bc you know we're ****ed either way... then it is fun

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 10:59 PM
Florida called for Trump. Michigan, NC, and Wisconsin all trending Trump right now.

Anyone else left that thinks Hillary wins?

sturg33
11-08-2016, 11:00 PM
The way things are looking Nate will have to change his name to Bronze

Nate's shine has definitely taken a hit this year... he blew it on the primaries big time.

To his credit, he was the most favorable to Trump for the general... but he still had it at only 35%

weso1
11-08-2016, 11:02 PM
The way things are looking Nate will have to change his name to Bronze

Nate deserves credit. He recently had to defend himself against a leftist who said it was a done deal for Hillary. Nate Silver insisted it was Hillary's to lose, but still close.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 11:02 PM
Nate's shine has definitely taken a hit this year... he blew it on the primaries big time.

To his credit, he was the most favorable to Trump for the general... but he still had it at only 35%

But, he doesn't say 100% so I don't see that it's too much of a hit. Logic says you aren't winning everytime even if odds are 65%.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 11:02 PM
The drama is absolutely NOT fun.

Frankly, I'd prefer she wins, but the spectacle is really something.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 11:03 PM
Disastrous night for Dems no matter what happens. R's keep the stranglehold on both houses and may even win the presidency.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 11:03 PM
Anyone else left that thinks Hillary wins?

Me? But I admittedly don't matter, lol.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 11:04 PM
But, he doesn't say 100% so I don't see that it's too much of a hit. Logic says you aren't winning everytime even if odds are 65%.

Correct... but in year's past he basically nailed it to the number

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 11:04 PM
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zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 11:04 PM
Florida called for Trump. Michigan, NC, and Wisconsin all trending Trump right now.

Michigan or Wisconsin for Trump would make him the odds on favorite to win. Basically whoever carries 2 of these 3 (assuming Hillary wins PA) wins the election most likely.

Also legal weed is ahead in both Mass and Maine.

weso1
11-08-2016, 11:05 PM
Disastrous night for Dems no matter what happens. R's keep the stranglehold on both houses and may even win the presidency.

Still not sure if a republican win for presidency is good for the pubs or the dems.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 11:06 PM
Do not assume Hillary wins PA.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 11:07 PM
Do not assume Hillary wins PA.

Way things have gone tonight, don't assume ANYTHING

weso1
11-08-2016, 11:07 PM
796200591152345088

guys?

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 11:08 PM
guys?

Make America Great Again

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 11:09 PM
When you don't care who wins bc you know we're ****ed either way... then it is fun

If you believe in free market economics and it's at or near the top of your priority list, you've have months to digest how ****ty this election would be. I've been hoping she would win while GOP wins Senate and House, we'd get four years of status quo/gridlock, and maybe the Reps would learn their lesson and at least nominate a non-populist next time around to pick off a weak, beatable HRC. It would be satisfying on some level to see the country give an eff you to the establishment, it I'm under no illusions that a Trump presidency would be good for me or the people around me.

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 11:09 PM
Still not sure if a republican win for presidency is good for the pubs or the dems.

Losing to Trump would almost certainly shock the Democrats out of nominating another Clinton. I'd guess another Obama type would be put front and center like a Booker or someone more charismatic. This election is clearly showing the all flash can win. Trump is all sizzle but no steak, and he's winning against someone who's been working for decades to become president. It's really sad.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 11:09 PM
NC in. 538 has Trump with 61% chance.

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 11:10 PM
Anyone else left that thinks Hillary wins?

I will believe Trump wins when its 100% and not before. This is like rooting for Reitsma to save a game.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 11:10 PM
If you believe in free market economics and it's at or near the top of your priority list, you've have months to digest how ****ty this election would be. I've been hoping she would win while GOP wins Senate and House, we'd get four years of status quo/gridlock, and maybe the Reps would learn their lesson and at least nominate a non-populist next time around to pick off a weak, beatable HRC. It would be satisfying on some level to see the country give an eff you to the establishment, it I'm under no illusions that a Trump presidency would be good for me or the people around me.

I'm hopeful a Trump wins will shatter the two party system

zitothebrave
11-08-2016, 11:11 PM
With NC off the table, Clinton can't lose PA, Michigan, or Wisconsin. Michigan it looks like she will win, but Wisconsin is concerning.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 11:12 PM
Losing to Trump would almost certainly shock the Democrats out of nominating another Clinton. I'd guess another Obama type would be put front and center like a Booker or someone more charismatic. This election is clearly showing the all flash can win. Trump is all sizzle but no steak, and he's winning against someone who's been working for decades to become president. It's really sad.

Whats sad is putting Hillary on the ticket. A slime ball that has worked the system for years to get nominated. America is saying **** THAT. How bad of a candidate do you have to be to lose to a reality tv star? LOL

weso1
11-08-2016, 11:12 PM
With NC off the table, Clinton can't lose PA, Michigan, or Wisconsin. Michigan it looks like she will win, but Wisconsin is concerning.

This is an amazing night. As a follower of politics, I don't know what to do with myself.

acesfull86
11-08-2016, 11:13 PM
I'm hopeful a Trump wins will shatter the two party system

It's the wildcard factor...there could certainly be fallout that goes our way down the road

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 11:13 PM
I'm hopeful a Trump wins will shatter the two party system

Might be the only time we agree.

And Hillary supporters can't blame Johnson for this. Trump is outperforming her with or without Johnson in most battlegrounds.

Plus, I don't think any GJ supporters were going to go to her anyways if not go to DT.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 11:21 PM
Trump is now favored to win PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Did Hillary bring Dan Kolb in to save the game?

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 11:21 PM
Trump up in Iowa now... and Wisconsin... oh lawd.

cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 11:22 PM
See, what did we tell you, Hillary is playing spoiler. She should have dropped out and supported Gary Johnson.



Watching Cenk of Young Turks meltdown is epic. Declaring war on the DNC right now.

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 11:23 PM
As Hawk and I have said on here several times before... the GOP better be thankful to Trump that he's actually pulled the party left somewhat.

He's flipping Rust Belt counties like crazy.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 11:23 PM
Reading on Twitter that Canada's immigration site has crashed! Hahaha

The Chosen One
11-08-2016, 11:23 PM
See, what did we tell you, Hillary is playing spoiler. She should have dropped out and supported Gary Johnson.



Watching Cenk of Young Turks meltdown is epic. Declaring war on the DNC right now.

Not so much meltdown, but The Young Turks called this in January.

gilesfan
11-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Zito must be watching CNN bc they think Hillary is doing ok

sturg33
11-08-2016, 11:25 PM
As Hawk and I have said on here several times before... the GOP better be thankful to Trump that he's actually pulled the party left somewhat.

He's flipping Rust Belt counties like crazy.

To his credit... he actually reached out to them... put in an actual effort for black voters... and has doubled Romney's support.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 11:26 PM
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cajunrevenge
11-08-2016, 11:26 PM
Win, lose ,or draw, I am really interested to know what Hillary's concession speech says. Its been reported she had 2 speeches written so I know it exists. I would say the same for Trump but I doubt he even has a speech prepared.

weso1
11-08-2016, 11:27 PM
If Trump wins, this is a moment in yours and my lifetime we should never forget. Whether you supported Trump or not this is something you will never see again in your lifetime.

CrimsonCowboy
11-08-2016, 11:30 PM
Fox calls Wisconsin for Trump!!!!!!!

sturg33
11-08-2016, 11:30 PM
Trump wins Wisconsin...

this one is over folks

thethe
11-08-2016, 11:31 PM
What a day to be alive. Reject the global elites!!

TRUMP!

sturg33
11-08-2016, 11:31 PM
Odds on Trump resigning during his victory speech?

10%?

weso1
11-08-2016, 11:31 PM
Uh... They just called Wisconsin for Trump. WTF is going on.

sturg33
11-08-2016, 11:31 PM
What a day to be alive. Reject the global elites!!

TRUMP!

say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?????????