GDT 9/4/13: Mets (Gee) @ Braves (Loe) 12:10 PM

[NYCBrave]

Braves:

1. B.J. Upton (R) CF
2. Justin Upton (R) RF
3. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
4. Evan Gattis (R) LF
5. Gerald Laird (R) C
6. Elliot Johnson (S) 3B
7. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
8. Paul Janish (R) SS
9. Kameron Loe (R) P

Mets:


1. Eric Young (S) LF
2. Daniel Murphy (L) 2B
3. Andrew Brown (R) RF
4. Lucas Duda (L) 1B
5. Justin Turner (R) 3B
6. Travis d'Arnaud (R) C
7. Juan Lagares (R) CF
8. Omar Quintanilla (L) SS
9. Dillon Gee (R) P

[thethe]

I would have rather had Gattis start at catcher and give Terdo a start. Laird is garbage.

[zitothebrave]

Why is Laird catching? Put Gattis behind the plate and play bossman in CF and Schafer in lf. Makes our team so much better defensively.

[thethe]

Why is Laird catching? Put Gattis behind the plate and play bossman in CF and Schafer in lf. Makes our team so much better defensively.

Holy crap, I didn't even notice BJ wasn't in the lineup. I just don't get why we insist on playing Laird. He better not get a start in the postseason or I will go crazy.

[stpeteirish]

ugh. at least they got Gattis in there. Fredi's damn serious about resting people (Simmons, CJ, Mac) how about resting Justin? BJ finally hitting give him another game.

[thethe]

ugh. at least they got Gattis in there. Fredi's damn serious about resting people (Simmons, CJ, Mac) how about resting Justin? BJ finally hitting give him another game.

Yup, there is no logic to this. The goal of September should be to get guys on a role and limit injuries. Braves NEED BJ to start hitting and he has shown signs lately. Need to feed that as long as possible.

[NYCBrave]

Why is Laird catching? Put Gattis behind the plate and play bossman in CF and Schafer in lf. Makes our team so much better defensively.

Hate it or love it, he's our backup catcher in the playoffs. We can't just not play him, gotta get him some starts down the stretch.

[nsacpi]

Fredi has to find a way to keep everyone sharp and rested. It won't be easy. But here are some things he should consider:

1) Give McCann two games (not two days) a week off. And give Laird and Gattis a start a week at catcher.

2) Give Freeman one game a week off. Start Terdoslavich in that game.

3) Give Justin and BJ one game a week off. Start Schafer for them

4) Until Heyward comes back give Gattis half the games in left, Schafer a quarter and Terdoslavich a quarter.

5) Give Uggla and Chris Johnson one game a week off and start Elliot Johnson for them.

6) Give Simmons one game a week off and start Janish for him.

That should keep everyone sharp and rested.

[sturg33]

This is why people think Fredi is an idiot, despite our record.

[50PoundHead]

Still can't figure out why people bark so much about Laird. He's done what was asked.

[thethe]

Still can't figure out why people bark so much about Laird. He's done what was asked.

You would be ok with him starting in the playoffs?

[NYCBrave]

You would be ok with him starting in the playoffs?

There is a 0% chance he will be asked to start in the playoffs.

[thethe]

There is a 0% chance he will be asked to start in the playoffs.

So its beyond foolish IMO to give him a start in September when Gattis (who will start a game at catcher in the postseason IMO) is available to do so now.

[Krovahn]

I wouldda went:

1. Jordan Schafer (L) RF
2. BJ Upton (R) CF
3. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
4. Evan Gattis (R) C
5. Joey Terdoslavich (S) LF
6. Elliot Johnson (S) 3B
7. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
8. Paul Janish (R) SS
9. Kameron Loe (R) P

But, that is just me.

[nsacpi]

Still can't figure out why people bark so much about Laird. He's done what was asked.

I agree. He's one of the better backup catchers around. He looks a bit funny and awkward at times. I think some people hold that against him. And the fact he is seen as reducing Gattis' playing time upsets people.

I think Gattis AND Laird should get one start per week at catcher the rest of the way in. We need to rest McCann. I was a little surprised to see McCann play five straight days recently. To me that's about the only questionable thing Fredi has done recently in terms of lineup management.

[nsacpi]

So its beyond foolish IMO to give him a start in September when Gattis (who will start a game at catcher in the postseason IMO) is available to do so now.

I don't think either Gattis or Laird will start a post-season game as long as McCann is healthy. But you need to keep them both in the mix in case the need arises.

[sturg33]

You would be ok with him starting in the playoffs?

You do know that Laird and Gattis have been about equals on offense this year.

[thethe]

You do know that Laird and Gattis have been about equals on offense this year.

I don't agree with that. I know Gattis was absolutely dreadful for two months but you would really rather have Laird up in a big spot over Gattis?

[nsacpi]

I don't agree with that. I know Gattis was absolutely dreadful for two months but you would really rather have Laird up in a big spot over Gattis?

Laird has this amazing ability to dump popups between the second baseman and right fielder. He also has talismanic powers. We are lucky to have three talismanic players this year. It will make us a force in the playoffs.

[Krovahn]

Well, BJ is in there now... Schafer scratched. Probably due to hitting the ball into his leg last night... so, at least BJ can keep getting his ABs right now. Still wouldda rested J-Up, though.

[NYCBrave]

So its beyond foolish IMO to give him a start in September when Gattis (who will start a game at catcher in the postseason IMO) is available to do so now.

Why would either get a start? There's enough off days between games where you can use your starting catcher every day.

[50PoundHead]

I agree. He's one of the better backup catchers around. He looks a bit funny and awkward at times. I think some people hold that against him. And the fact he is seen as reducing Gattis' playing time upsets people.

I think Gattis AND Laird should get one start per week at catcher the rest of the way in. We need to rest McCann. I was a little surprised to see McCann play five straight days recently. To me that's about the only questionable thing Fredi has done recently in terms of lineup management.

Yeah, he looks like a stumbling elephant at times, but he knows how to play and has actually gotten a couple of big hits this season. Gattis is a work-in-progress and he'll get his ABs in September. I don't see how the goals of keeping them both sharp seems to be mutually exclusive to some.

[thethe]

Well, BJ is in there now... Schafer scratched. Probably due to hitting the ball into his leg last night... so, at least BJ can keep getting his ABs right now. Still wouldda rested J-Up, though.

I love Schafer but I'm glad BJ is back in there.

[sturg33]

I don't agree with that. I know Gattis was absolutely dreadful for two months but you would really rather have Laird up in a big spot over Gattis?

I'll take my chances with Laird's .370 OBP over Gattis' .305, yes.

[nsacpi]

We face Lee, Kendrick and Hamels in that order in the next series.

Here's one way Fredi can set things up.

Against Lee go with Gattis in left.

Against Kendrick, I would rest Justin and play Schafer in right. And go with Terdoslavich in left. Rest Uggla and play EJ.

Against Hamels, I would rest McCann and go with Gattis at catcher.

It isn't rocket science keeping everyone sharp. Just need to plan ahead a little based on whether the other team is scheduled to start a righty or lefty.

[MadduxFanII]

We need to wrap Schafer in bubble wrap for the rest of the month.

[The Chosen One]

We face Lee, Kendrick and Hamels in that order in the next series.

Here's one way Fredi can set things up.

Against Lee go with Gattis in left.

Against Kendrick, I would rest Justin and play Schafer in right. And go with Terdoslavich in left. Rest Uggla and play EJ.

Against Hamels, I would rest McCann and go with Gattis at catcher.

It isn't rocket science keeping everyone sharp. Just need to plan ahead a little based on whether the other team is scheduled to start a righty or lefty.

This makes all too much sense, therefore it's also why Fredi isn't going to do it and we'll still somehow win the series anyways.

[bravesnumberone]

Three things: BJ should have been there to begin with unless he himself wanted the day off. Finally got him going. Also, unless it's a lock that we're re-signing McCann, days like today are perfect for letting Gattis get some experience back there. You want Laird in the lineup so badly, put him at first. Thirdly, Kameron Loloe. Watch him toss up six shutout innings.

[bravesnumberone]

Hahaha. What does it say about Dan Uggla that he's hitting seventh in this lineup. Trolololol. Maybe the theory is for Elliot to get on base and Uggla to homer with his laser eyes.

[AerchAngel]

We face Lee, Kendrick and Hamels in that order in the next series.

Here's one way Fredi can set things up.

Against Lee go with Gattis in left.

Against Kendrick, I would rest Justin and play Schafer in right. And go with Terdoslavich in left. Rest Uggla and play EJ.

Against Hamels, I would rest McCann and go with Gattis at catcher.

It isn't rocket science keeping everyone sharp. Just need to plan ahead a little based on whether the other team is scheduled to start a righty or lefty.

Common sense you have much of

[Enscheff]

Schafer just fouled a pitch off himself a day after getting a rest for a sore lower back. I'm guessing that's why he isn't in there today.

I have a feeling Wren called Gattis up and gave Fredi explicit instructions to not allow him to rot on the bench any more. I imagine we will be seeing a lot more of Gattis this month.

[Krovahn]

That wasn't fun... :(

[JusticeForAll23]

We basically just forfeited this game by starting Loe.

[thethe]

We basically just forfeited this game by starting Loe.

I don't agree with that at all.

[sentenza]

Will Loe get out of the 1. inning?
I don't think so!
Why he is on this team?

[Braves1976]

That wasn't fun... :(

We all knew that was coming, I mean come on Loe is awful. He was released by two bad teams including the Cubs. He had not started a game before today in the Majors since 2007.

Hold on, this one is going to get ugly and likely pretty fast.

[Garmel]

Looks like batting practice out there. I think we're going to be killed today.

[CrimsonCowboy]

I think we can say for sure Loe will not be on the postseason roster

[JusticeForAll23]

Now the Mets are just one single away from the "team cycle in one inning" achievement.

[Braves1976]

We basically just forfeited this game by starting Loe.

Exactly, at least barring an amazing offensive game by our boys.

[tululush]

I understand why Fredi pitched him today. I don't agree with it but I understand why he did it. The problem is once it gets out of hand and it's early who do you pitch to finish off the mess? I mean we're down 2-0 and they're hitting the ball all over the yard. If he gives up 5+ runs in 2ip who do you bring in? Or do you just let him hang himself for 5-6 ip?

[Teheran_49]

This dude is terrible...Why wasn't David Hale on the roster getting the start? Loe's numbers in AAA were terrible and the ERA was hollow,IMO. Why not see what Hale looks like as he may have a future here unlike Loe.

[thethe]

Not Simmons looked like Not Not Simmons there.

[AerchAngel]

Looks like batting practice out there. I think we're going to be killed today.

I rather dig up Derek Lowe than watching this Loe pitch.

[Braves1976]

Janish can play some defense, if he could only hit.

[MadduxFanII]

I really don't mind Loe getting his head kicked in today. It doesn't really mean much at this point. I just want him to take the entire beating himself. No throwing the bullpen for seven innings. If Kam has to throw 200 pitches, well, maybe he should be better at his job.

[Braves1976]

I understand why Fredi pitched him today. I don't agree with it but I understand why he did it. The problem is once it gets out of hand and it's early who do you pitch to finish off the mess? I mean we're down 2-0 and they're hitting the ball all over the yard. If he gives up 5+ runs in 2ip who do you bring in? Or do you just let him hang himself for 5-6 ip?

If we want to save the bullpen, we gotta leave him out there a while. But that might be hard to do if he gets hit around too much early on.

[thethe]

Boy the Beej looks good lately.

[thethe]

Beej got to the bag before the ball got to second base.

[nsacpi]

I sense that Laird will be the pivotal player in this game.

[sentenza]

Good!
Make him throw many pitches!

[sentenza]

Man!
That bad luck again!

[thethe]

Lagares might be the best defensive CF in baseball.

[bravebonebook]

Gonna be real funny, though, if the Nats lose today and our magic number still goes down by one even with throwing the sacrificial lamb...I mean, Loe...out there today. I'm not going to be able to see a bit of this game and I don't care! Accept it as an automatic loss and be real happy if the Nats lose, ecstatic if Braves figure out a (remotely possible) way to win.

Might just be funny to see how bad Loe can be, IF Fredi doesn't waste any real pitchers to mop up for him!

[thethe]

Great, got some good luck after that great catch.

[sentenza]

Man that was August' Evan! Horrible!

[thethe]

Gattis went back to swinging real hard again. I wish he realized that he has enough power to swing 80% and still hit the ball to the gap.

[Enscheff]

That swing at the breaking ball is why Evan needed another 200+ ABs in AAA.

[thethe]

That swing at the breaking ball is why Evan needed another 200+ ABs in AAA.

Agreed. Most importantly he needs everyday AB's.

[Braves1976]

That swing at the breaking ball is why Evan needed another 200+ ABs in AAA.

Gattis had three extra base hits in AAA on off-speed pitches. Gee made both he and Laird look bad, I guess we should send them both to AAA.

[stpeteirish]

the Laird gvs Gattis debate ends in a draw. Both K with RISP.

[Braves1976]

Well, walking the 8 place hitter isn't going to help Loe. Now Gee can bunt them both up.

[Braves1976]

the Laird gvs Gattis debate ends in a draw. Both K with RISP.

I doubt it will matter with Loe on the mound. I just don't see us scoring enough off Gee to make up for how many Loe is likely to give up. Gee is a very good pitcher and Loe, well enough said.

[ESP47]

I rather dig up Derek Lowe than watching this Loe pitch.

Agreed. I'd rather try my hand with Curtis Loew rather than this Loe.

[stpeteirish]

Gwinett's season is over. They were bad but its hard to believe the only P's they had that could help us are Loe and Garcia.

[Teheran_49]

UGhhh this guy is just awful to watch..Now you see why his ERA is 8+

[Braves1976]

Well, we've gotten him through two innings with only two runs so far. That's better than I expected to be honest.

[nsacpi]

Gattis had three extra base hits in AAA on off-speed pitches. Gee made both he and Laird look bad, I guess we should send them both to AAA.

I would think the experience of facing major league breaking balls is probably more valuable than facing the AAA versions. Nothing wrong with a little learning at the major league level. I think some people just have it in for particular players. Gattis is not the only one having to make an adjustment to major league breaking balls. We're seeing the same thing with Terdoslavich.

[Braves1976]

I would think the experience of facing major league breaking balls is probably more valuable than facing the AAA versions. Nothing wrong with a little learning at the major league level. I think some people just have it in for particular players. Gattis is not the only one having to make an adjustment to major league breaking balls. We're seeing the same thing with Terdoslavich.

We agree as usual, very nice and well thought out post. Common sense lives!

[Teheran_49]

Uggla showing his great approach at the plate. Pull,pull,pull it's like a skeet shoot competition.

[Braves1976]

Janish gets our first hit, now that's funny.

[nsacpi]

Janish gets our first hit, now that's funny.

He's having a strong September. Two hits so far.

[Teheran_49]

Well this game is over....

[thethe]

Wow, Loe is awful.

[Braves1976]

Loe has now given up 11 homeruns (or is that 12 now?) in 18 innings this year.

[Braves1976]

Wow, Loe is awful.

If Gattis had played in the homerun derby he could've had Loe pitch for him.

[nsacpi]

Well this game is over....

Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy, even the Mets.

[nsacpi]

Wow, Loe is awful.

woeful is a little bit more poetic

[Braves1976]

If Loe doesn't get DFA'd for good and replaced with a better arm after today, well I don't know what it will take.

[Julio3000]

He's having a strong September. Two hits so far.

He's halfway to his August total.

And ∞ more than July's.

[bravesnumberone]

11 HR given up in 20 innings. The lulz. Fredi, if you wanted starters to get a rest, why not just let position players pitch?

[Braves1976]

I am not sure what BJ was doing on that last "hit"?

That said, Loe is at 70 pitches but I'd leave him out there now for at least six innings.

[nsacpi]

The Mets know we are not so subtly insulting them today. They won't forget.

[Braves1976]

11 HR given up in 20 innings. The lulz. Fredi, if you wanted starters to get a rest, why not just let position players pitch?

I'd like to see Simmons pitch, I am sure he can do better than Loe.

[Julio3000]

Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy, even the Mets.

Funny, I don't remember Chipper's Braves Hall of Fame induction speech being quite so rousing.

[bravesnumberone]

The Mets know we are not so subtly insulting them today. They won't forget.

Well Fredi figured since they like to hurt our players, why not Loe?

[gcbraves]

From now on woeful will be known as loeful...

[Julio3000]

You can't spell "lose" without . . .

[nsacpi]

Another scoreless inning for Loe.

[stpeteirish]

Another scoreless inning for Loe.

more than half of his innings have been.

[Braves1976]

Another scoreless inning for Loe.

Yep, every other inning so far. Though things did get messy in the second.

[Julio3000]

Has he managed to throw 90 pitches in 4 innings and not strike anyone out? Classic.

[nsacpi]

Has he managed to throw 90 pitches in 4 innings and not strike anyone out? Classic.

Pitching to contact

[Julio3000]

Pitching to contact

Quite successfully.

[Julio3000]

Kam must have read the Gameday scouting report:

Scout: Dangerous count for Kameron Loe; Dillon Gee is a dead-red fastball hitter, with a .445 OPS against them this season and .322 against everything else.

[Braves1976]

Why are we taking him out now? It's a little late to be wasting our relievers now.

[Julio3000]

Why are we taking him out now? It's a little late to be wasting our relievers now.

He was only halfway to his pitchcount.

[gilesfan]

Fredi going all out for todays win with Loe and Garcia.

[nsacpi]

Why is Fredi taking Loe out?

[Julio3000]

Fredi going all out for todays win with Loe and Garcia.

He's just ego trippin now, with Freddy, Freddie, and Gerald Laird in the game.

[tululush]

At least he's not burning anyone of importance. I was kinda pissed he pulled Loe at first but then saw Garcia come in. Fine by me. Let Garcia finish this one off and be done with it. Day off for the pen.

[Julio3000]

Why is Fredi taking Loe out?

He just did not Kam correct.

[Braves1976]

At least he's not burning anyone of importance. I was kinda pissed he pulled Loe at first but then saw Garcia come in. Fine by me. Let Garcia finish this one off and be done with it. Day off for the pen.

I didn't think Garcia was available to pitch much if any today. I wonder how long he'll stay in there.

[tululush]

Until his arm falls off. He must finish the game. Lol 100 pitches and a dead arm. Nobody cares. Use him til he falls over.


I didn't think Garcia was available to pitch much if any today. I wonder how long he'll stay in there.

[Julio3000]

Ay, Luis? You good today?

[Braves1976]

Now I know why Loe is here, it's to make Garcia look golden.

[stpeteirish]

I'm waiting for the headline "Braves split-squad falls to Mets"

[Krovahn]

I'm waiting for the headline "Braves split-squad falls to Mets"I'm waiting for "Braves split-squad rallies from behind to beat Mets"...I still have hope!

[Braves1976]

Loe taken out, offense suddenly wakes up. We have a shot now boys, let's go!

[stpeteirish]

I didn't think Garcia was available to pitch much if any today. I wonder how long he'll stay in there.

he's due up this inning. Pitched almost 5 innings on Sunday, if they leave him in I'm convinced they're trying to deaden his arm on purpose.

[Krovahn]

Ugh, a non-guaranteed play on a ball up the middle and J-Up was jogging. Wouldda been very close if he was running full speed. If Bobby was still around, he'd be benched for that.

[Braves1976]

he's due up this inning. Pitched almost 5 innings on Sunday, if they leave him in I'm convinced they're trying to deaden his arm on purpose.

That's why we should've called up more help from AAA.

[Heyward]

Not a surprise with this lineup and whose pitching, can't complain too much about a 7-2 home stand.

Any rational fan would agree with skipping Julio but wish someone else was starting instead, oh well.

[Braves1976]

Nice save by Garcia, he's not just a pitcher but also a goalie too.

[stpeteirish]

Every pitch Gee throws is a strike.

[stpeteirish]

very strange: all our hits, walks and RBI's so far today by guys hitting under .200.

[Bdawg2309]

release loe after the game and call relievers up.

[Braves1976]

Let's give 'em a finish boys!

[BravesfanMike]

Uggla is going to kill us in the post season. The man cant hit, cant field and if popups counted as hits he'd be batting .400. Every time he comes up I root for him and end up just shaking my head at another bad at bat.

[Dalyn]

Uggla is going to kill us in the post season. The man cant hit, cant field and if popups counted as hits he'd be batting .400. Every time he comes up I root for him and end up just shaking my head at another bad at bat.

Starting to give up on him, too. If he doesn't kill it in the playoffs (after this surgery), he better have some competition in Spring Training or be playing for another team. He doesn't deserve second base being handed to him again.

[bravesnumberone]

Yeah the bottom of the ninth there was a downer. Agreed, Uggla has to give us something. Still, biggest takeaway from today is we didn't burn our pen. Thanks, Garcia. Loe, time to go.

[cajunrevenge]

Just want to point out that the Mets are in a virtual tie for the 10th/11th spot in the draft with the Phillies. This is important because if they finish with the 11th worst record then they dont get a protected draft pick. The Mets are a good bet to make a big FA signing this offseason so this one loss could cause them to lose their a top 11 draft pick.

[Deester11]

I rather dig up Derek Lowe than watching this Loe pitch.

Funniest line in this thread. Lol

[depley]

I would have rather had Gattis start at catcher and give Terdo a start. Laird is garbage.

I would rather have Gattis start as pitcher than Loe!

[PawPawMaxwell]

I am not one of the Fredi bashers as a rule but I certainlydont understand some of his decisions. I know Walden,s injury has us at a bit short in the pen but why not have let Carpenter, Garcia, Varvaro share the load today with tomorrow being an off day.
Fredi and Wren have to be aware of our road record and then Selig has already given the AL home field in the Series.
Dont overlook the Dodgers, Fredi.
Even with a 15 game lead, every win is a treasure.

[Bdawg2309]

I am not one of the Fredi bashers as a rule but I certainlydont understand some of his decisions. I know Walden,s injury has us at a bit short in the pen but why not have let Carpenter, Garcia, Varvaro share the load today with tomorrow being an off day.
Fredi and Wren have to be aware of our road record and then Selig has already given the AL home field in the Series.
Dont overlook the Dodgers, Fredi.
Even with a 15 game lead, every win is a treasure.

blame whoever let Loe back in AAA

[tvsportscaster]

blame whoever let Loe back in AAA

Are we really getting upset about someone who's not even going to be on the playoff roster and the only reason he started today was because Garcia had been used and they wanted to give Teheran more rest, which that in itself benefits the Braves come playoff time. Heaven forbid they threw one game away with a 15 game lead and a shoe in for the post season. Good grief.

[Julio3000]

Heck, we were reasonably competitive in this game even with a scrub lineup and Flotsam and Jetsam on the mound.

[tvsportscaster]

BillShanks‏@BillShanks16m
Braves are going to promote right-hander David Hale from the minor leagues.

[Bj1133]

BillShanks‏@BillShanks16m
Braves are going to promote right-hander David Hale from the minor leagues.

Good. No reason not to. Get the starters/bullpen as much rest as needed

[cajunrevenge]

Whats Hale's LoB%?

[holden]

Heck, we were reasonably competitive in this game even with a scrub lineup and Flotsam and Jetsam on the mound.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-d1548EkoXuQ/T2lUugKt2SI/AAAAAAAABAE/sDz82KvVQpg/s1600/flotsam.jpg

[Bdawg2309]

lol

"IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT. I BATTLED OUT THERE AND GAVE EVERYTHING I HAD, BUT I FELL SHORT TODAY." - KAMERON LOE

[Runnin]

lol

"IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT. I BATTLED OUT THERE AND GAVE EVERYTHING I HAD, BUT I FELL SHORT TODAY." - KAMERON LOE
He did alright. I don't think anyone expected much different. I'm sure he'll do better next time. :icwudt:

[Teheran_49]

Yeah the bottom of the ninth there was a downer. Agreed, Uggla has to give us something. Still, biggest takeaway from today is we didn't burn our pen. Thanks, Garcia. Loe, time to go.

That's why there is absolutely zero reason for him to be with this club next year. It's not his eyes it's approach at the plate. When you are trying to pull everything your going to have years where you have a terrible batting average. I know it's something that will affect next year but Uggla should not be blocking La Stella at 2b come 2014. Whatever we have to do to get rid of dan we've got to do it. Thankfully BJ is coming around but we've had 2 1/2 years of very poor production from Uggla. If their are runners on base with 2 outs it's almost a lock he won't drive them in. I'm not sure what Dan's mindset is at the plate but he's not making adjustments and it seems like he doesn't want to. It's like he's content with hitting .200 as long as his HR numbers look good.

[PawPawMaxwell]

Are we really getting upset about someone who's not even going to be on the playoff roster and the only reason he started today was because Garcia had been used and they wanted to give Teheran more rest, which that in itself benefits the Braves come playoff time. Heaven forbid they threw one game away with a 15 game lead and a shoe in for the post season. Good grief.
Ask those 22K people who bought tickets. IMO it is not about a 15 game lead, it is now about trying your best for home field advantage as long as you can. This is simply not a good traveling team.

[The Chosen One]

Ask those 22K people who bought tickets. IMO it is not about a 15 game lead, it is now about trying your best for home field advantage as long as you can. This is simply not a good traveling team.

Wednesday Day game? Lots of the peeps out there were kids from school or camps.

And the other 19k or so fans that went tot he game probably don't scrutinize the difference between a 15 game lead and homefield advantage like we do here.

Doubt there were many fans in the stands saying "Damnit Fredi! We're trying to get homefield and you're playing scrubs!"

[PawPawMaxwell]

Wednesday Day game? Lots of the peeps out there were kids from school or camps.

And the other 19k or so fans that went tot he game probably don't scrutinize the difference between a 15 game lead and homefield advantage like we do here.

Doubt there were many fans in the stands saying "Damnit Fredi! We're trying to get homefield and you're playing scrubs!"
Then Wren and especially McQuirk (the bottomline man) should be questioning Fredi,s move. And, I would be more inclined to agree were there not a day off today.

[Hulavol]

Wednesday Day game? Lots of the peeps out there were kids from school or camps.

And the other 19k or so fans that went tot he game probably don't scrutinize the difference between a 15 game lead and homefield advantage like we do here.

Doubt there were many fans in the stands saying "Damnit Fredi! We're trying to get homefield and you're playing scrubs!"



Me and three buddies drove 5 hrs round trip for the game. Sat second row right behind the Braves dugout. Had a GREAT time. We knew going down there it was a throw away game based on Freddie's comments after the Tuesday win. I totally agree with what he did. You have to gives guys extra time off this time of year- especially with the playoffs coming. And yes, the homefield advantage will be ultra-important for us, but you still have to have these breaks. And that said, we still had a (small) chance to win yesterday anyway.

By the way, did I mention hanging out with the Braves Girls is all that and a bag of chips?

[Runnin]

Then Wren and especially McQuirk (the bottomline man) should be questioning Fredi,s move. And, I would be more inclined to agree were there not a day off today.
I'd bet a million dollars if I had it that Wren and Fredi talked about the possibility of Loe starting weeks ago.

[PawPawMaxwell]

I'd bet a million dollars if I had it that Wren and Fredi talked about the possibility of Loe starting weeks ago.
I had about said all I wanted to say about this thread til now. What do you base that statement on? If true, why did they DFA him just last month. If you want to accept yesterday as a sound move by Fredi, why didnt he throw Gilmartin or Hale out there or even 1 of the other AAA starters? Its not like Loe didnt have a record to go on.

[Runnin]

I had about said all I wanted to say about this thread til now. What do you base that statement on? If true, why did they DFA him just last month. If you want to accept yesterday as a sound move by Fredi, why didnt he throw Gilmartin or Hale out there or even 1 of the other AAA starters? Its not like Loe didnt have a record to go on.
Yes, I think it was a sound move because it wasn't an important game and we didn't unnecessarily put a young pitcher at risk. Starting a AAA prospect in a throw-away game at the end of the season could disrupt their plans for that starter. They could get shelled before they're ready and damage the player's confidence or they could get lucky and think they are ready when they are not. There are a lot of reasons why you wouldn't want to use a valued prospect in that situation.

[Enscheff]

It is extremely naive for anyone to think Fredi just decided to start Loe without input from Roger and Wren.

[NinersSBChamps]

It is extremely naive for anyone to think Fredi just decided to start Loe without input from Roger and Wren.

Fredi needs permission to wipe his butt.

[Runnin]

It is extremely naive for anyone to think Fredi just decided to start Loe without input from Roger and Wren.
It only makes sense that Fredi defers to Roger on most all pitching moves, in game and out.

[Dalyn]

It only makes sense that Fredi defers to Roger on most all pitching moves, in game and out.


Of course it makes sense. Which means it likely doesn't happen.

[Runnin]

Of course it makes sense. Which means it likely doesn't happen.
Are you being sarcastic again? The coaching staff and organization has been the envy of all professional sports for years.

Perhaps with a few less idiotic moves by Fredi the pitching staff could overachieve more.

[Dalyn]

Are you being sarcastic again? The coaching staff and organization has been the envy of all professional sports for years.

Perhaps with a few less idiotic moves by Fredi the pitching staff could overachieve more.

Or have fewer arms fall off.