The Hacks

[57Brave]

Leaked Snowden Document Hints At Why Feds Are So Sure Russia Hacked Election
NSA apparently learned successful tactics tracking Russian cyberattack on murdered journalist Anna Politkovskaya.
-Mary Papenfuss , The Huffington Post




US intelligence officials appear certain that Russia was responsible for interfering in the presidential election — though they haven’t fully detailed how they know. But a classified document leaked by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden reveals that they’ve tracked Russian hacking before and that the information they gleaned may have helped this time around.

Russian hacking also occurred in the case of Russian journalist and American citizen Anna Politkovskaya, who was gunned down in 2006 in her Moscow apartment after writing articles critical of the Kremlin and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Five men were convicted of her murder, but it’s still a mystery who ordered the killing.

A year before she was murdered, Politkovskaya’s email was hacked by Russian intelligence using malicious software not publicly available, according to an NSA document leaked by Snowden to The Intercept. Not only does the document reveal that U.S. intelligence knew about the hacking of Politkovskaya’s email, it also shows that the NSA is adept at tracking cyberattacks by Russian intelligence.

The classified internal NSA entry indicates that the NSA was able to use “intercept signals” to pinpoint the source of the attack. The attacks on Politkovskaya’s email account resemble the hacks of Democratic National Committee emails during the campaign that were damaging to Hillary Clinton, and the NSA could have used the same tactics to track the source as it did in Politkovskaya’s case.

Snowden tweeted earlier this year that NSA has the capability to track the source of such a hack. He cited Xkeyscore, a pre-Snowden secret computer system used by the NSA for searching and analyzing global internet data, that “makes following exfiltrated data easy. I did this personally against Chinese ops.”

U.S. intelligence certainty about the hacks and the credibility of its analysis will be critical in the coming weeks as President-elect Donald Trump seeks to downplay any Russian interference in the U.S. presidential campaign. He has cast doubt on the intelligence community’s statement before the election that Russia was responsible for hacking and releasing the DNC communications. Officials have since said that they believe the attacks were ordered by Putin in a deliberate effort to sway the vote for Trump, who has frequently praised the Russian leader.

Trump said Wednesday that it was time to “move on” and that it was impossible to know who was responsible for the leaks. On Thursday, Trump said he would meet with intelligence officials next week to discuss the issue but said again that “it’s time for our country to move on to bigger and better things.”

President Barack Obama has struck back at Russia with a series of sanctions for the hacking and has called for Congress to be presented with intelligence reports on the cyberattacks.

The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI on Thursday released a 13-page joint report providing some details of what the agencies know about the Russian attack.

[AerchAngel]

<yawn>

Keep trying to be relevant. The Hag will or the Dems are not going to get into the WH in the next 8 years, deal with it.

[57Brave]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/world/europe/how-russia-recruited-elite-hackers-for-its-cyberwar.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[57Brave]

Following the Links From Russian
Hackers to the U.S. Election

The Obama administration announced sanctions on Thursday against Russia and released a report that stated that the Russian government deployed computer hackers to attack the Democratic Party’s computers




http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/27/us/politics/trail-of-dnc-emails-russia-hacking.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

[57Brave]

from other thread




To classify this as espionage is pushing it way too far. I mean, dangerously and irresponsibly so. Now, could this debacle lead to that kind of behavior? Sure, and that's why we need to learn how to use passwords with letters, numbers, and symbols, and avoid phishing emails. We are in the stone age as a country when it comes to cyber security and general digital awareness.

The report did not name hacked organizations or address previous conclusions reached by the Central Intelligence Agency and FBI, according to U.S. officials, that Russia sought to intervene in the election to help Trump defeat Clinton.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-fbi-idUSKBN14I26D?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter

What did they learn ?
Who is in a blackmail-able situation

The aove links reference Congressional races where they attempted manipulation
How deep does this go.

Has for instance Paul Ryan got a secret -- or that Utah Senator from 10 years ago that was caught in a bathroom
We don't know

Hawk anytime a state espionage agency taps into another states private correspondence it is for lack of a better word,espionage
Not at all like Sturg leaning his GF was on Ashley Madison or my wife looking in my Amazon page to learn what I bought her for Christmas

State vs State
......

Even one state disrupting anothers elections is espionage
from NYT



The leaks fueled a rift in the Democratic Party

The emails forced the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as chairwoman of the D.N.C. and added to the divide between supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders and Mrs. Clinton’s campaign.

Even by my pedestrian knowledge of espionage tactics -- this is straight out of The Americans TV program

[BedellBrave]

Dang, even got The Rolling Stone questioning this story. Link (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439)

[57Brave]

Saw that - Go Noles

[AerchAngel]

Still won't change election results.

I don't mind Dumpster Fire getting impeached though, VP is a severe upgrade. As long as the Dems don't get the WH I am cool with anything they do with Dumpster Fire.

[MrShwag]

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The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI on Thursday released a 13-page joint report providing some details of what the agencies know about the Russian attack.

...and Edward Snowden promptly (via Twitter) linked to two distinct expert analyses on said 13-page document demonstrating why it's total horsecrap, politicized malarky; consequently agreeing with the very guy (PEOTUS) that is least likely to ever pardon him for his crimes. Not that I care what Edward Snowden thinks. Just found it ironic.

[57Brave]

Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 14m14 minutes ago

Trump has promised:

* Tax returns
* A press conference on conflicts
* One on Melania's visa

Why believe he'll deliver new hacking info?

The writer left out the "secret information" on Obama's birth.
Remember that


the #emails, keep your eye on the ball

[57Brave]

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[57Brave]

What he leaves out in the above tatement is the history. They had a puppet at the head of CIA and the administration cooked the info .
to the chagrin of career CIA operatives.
Comes back to Valarie Plame and Joe Wilson.

I have little hope of Trump ever being called on his bull****.
Bush and Cheney never saw a prion cell.

Don't forget Judith Wilson's involvement.

Problem here is, half of you were in Middle School when this happened and another 35 percent of you have no idea the history of the lead up to Iraq War .

And as evidenced by the posters above, 85% they will take Trump's word for it.
wanna buy a casino in Atlantic City Mr Shawg ????

Because you know, she had an email server

[57Brave]

Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 34m34 minutes ago

Once Trump replaces the CIA with the crack investigative team from his Obama birth certificate inquiry we'll find the real hackers fast.
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[jpx7]

Do we love Snowden or hate him? Or does it depend on whose allegiances are helped/hurt by what he's leaking in a given week?

Just checking the pulse and all.

[thethe]

What he leaves out in the above tatement is the history. They had a puppet at the head of CIA and the administration cooked the info .
to the chagrin of career CIA operatives.
Comes back to Valarie Plame and Joe Wilson.

I have little hope of Trump ever being called on his bull****.
Bush and Cheney never saw a prion cell.

Don't forget Judith Wilson's involvement.

Problem here is, half of you were in Middle School when this happened and another 35 percent of you have no idea the history of the lead up to Iraq War .

And as evidenced by the posters above, 85% they will take Trump's word for it.
wanna buy a casino in Atlantic City Mr Shawg ????

Because you know, she had an email server

So since you are concerned what career cia operatives felt during the wmd fiasco are you equally concerned with the reports of fbi agents furious that Commey didn't indict HRC?

[57Brave]

So since you are concerned what career cia operatives felt during the wmd fiasco are you equally concerned with the reports of fbi agents furious that Commey didn't indict HRC?

I am, thinking she deserved her day in court.

Why do you think in the end they didn't indict ?
.........................

you spent the past year waxing poetic on how anxious you were for her to go away -- now she has you and a few others talk about her --- daily

Your Clinton Derangement Syndrome is gotten kinda creepy

[thethe]

I am, thinking she deserved her day in court.

Why do you think in the end they didn't indict ?
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you spent the past year waxing poetic on how anxious you were for her to go away -- now she has you and a few others talk about her --- daily

Your Clinton Derangement Syndrome is gotten kinda creepy

Just trying to keep you honest or at least try to open your eyes to your extreme partisanship.

[jpx7]

Just trying to keep you honest or at least try to open your eyes to your extreme partisanship.

No offense, bro, but come on: you best not throw stones on this score.

(I should clarify—as I don't mean to pick on you, but when you call President Obama "arguably the worst president of all time" [it isn't really arguable: he has not been—nor was Bush II, for that matter], it makes it difficult to take your accusations of others' partisanship seriously.)

[57Brave]

Just trying to keep you honest or at least try to open your eyes to your extreme partisanship.

you still haven't answered why with overwhelming evidence - they didn't indict.
Once in the past 25 years

[57Brave]

Just trying to keep you honest or at least try to open your eyes to your extreme partisanship.

On many issues I am partisan.

Environment
Womens choice
Flint and the decay of the Rust Belt
Voters Rights
Civil Rights
Religious Freedom for all
etc etc etc
That happens to align with (D) and is counter to (R) platform

I do not support a great deal of the foreign policy espoused by (D) and see kinda eye to eye with isolationists of other political schools of thought

[thethe]

No offense, bro, but come on: you best not throw stones on this score.

(I should clarify—as I don't mean to pick on you, but when you call President Obama "arguably the worst president of all time" [it isn't really arguable: he has not been—nor was Bush II, for that matter], it makes it difficult to take your accusations of others' partisanship seriously.)

Obamas foreign policy record stands on its own. The number threat to world peace is radical Islamic The world is more unstable and dangerous. ANd his lack of swift actions long ago set the battle pieces up for the next 100 years.

[57Brave]

Obamas foreign policy record stands on its own. The number threat to world peace is radical Islamic The world is more unstable and dangerous. ANd his lack of swift actions long ago set the battle pieces up for the next 100 years.

Radical Islam -- kind of a loaded term that signifies --- nothing

how many Americans on American soil died from " Radical Islam" in the past year ?
how many Americans were shot by american police in the past year ?

Not saying that American police is the greatest danger we face but pointing out data doesn't square with your premise
.......

I would say the contextual jury is still out on Obama's foreign policy.
I thought it knee jerk invading Afghanistan --- so what do I know

I thought it was whack going into Iraq and lighting the match in the first place.

Kinda like Obama said about the economy "they drove the car in the ditch asked us to get it out -- then stand on the road yelling it isn't fast enough "
To my mind -- criticism of Obama's foreign policy starts with that notion.
After that , there have been no good options -- outside of just wahsing our hands of the mess.
But, the pottery barn Colin Powell spoke of.

[sturg33]

Do we love Snowden or hate him? Or does it depend on whose allegiances are helped/hurt by what he's leaking in a given week?

Just checking the pulse and all.

I love him

[57Brave]

I came of political age at the time of Daniel Ellsberg.
Snowdon is a pussy -

why the language of
love
or hate?

[57Brave]

People tend to forget how much of the 2016 playbook had already been used in earlier years. Remember, the Clinton administration was besieged by constant accusations of corruption, dutifully hyped as major stories by the news media; not one of these alleged scandals turned out to involve any actual wrongdoing. Not incidentally, James Comey, the F.B.I. director whose intervention almost surely swung the election, had previously worked for the Whitewater committee, which spent seven years obsessiv

[goldfly]

Do we love Snowden or hate him? Or does it depend on whose allegiances are helped/hurt by what he's leaking in a given week?

Just checking the pulse and all.

i'm a fan of Snowden

[BedellBrave]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OddballUnrulyChicken-size_restricted.gif

[thethe]

Radical Islam -- kind of a loaded term that signifies --- nothing

how many Americans on American soil died from " Radical Islam" in the past year ?
how many Americans were shot by american police in the past year ?

Not saying that American police is the greatest danger we face but pointing out data doesn't square with your premise
.......

I would say the contextual jury is still out on Obama's foreign policy.
I thought it knee jerk invading Afghanistan --- so what do I know

I thought it was whack going into Iraq and lighting the match in the first place.

Kinda like Obama said about the economy "they drove the car in the ditch asked us to get it out -- then stand on the road yelling it isn't fast enough "
To my mind -- criticism of Obama's foreign policy starts with that notion.
After that , there have been no good options -- outside of just wahsing our hands of the mess.
But, the pottery barn Colin Powell spoke of.

The wests inability to see this is a global war saddens me. Whether the loss is in france/germany/USA/Britain/Turkey/etc... doesn't matter. This is a global war. To compare police activity of dealing with people breaking the law (mostly) to religious fanatics that behead people proves your ignorance on the topic.

[57Brave]

“Trump mentioned Wikileaks 164 times in last month of election, now claims it didn’t impact …”

divided by 31 that equals .....

5+ times a day for a month

[thethe]

“Trump mentioned Wikileaks 164 times in last month of election, now claims it didn’t impact …”

divided by 31 that equals .....

5+ times a day for a month

Trump should stop staying it didn't have an impact because it clearly did.

However, he wasn't wrong to use the information.

[57Brave]

I'm still not sure what damning information

John Podesta's pizza plans ?
Chelsea Clinton went off on someone ?

Good lord, y'all are gullible

[thethe]

I'm sorry you feel that way after knowing what has been released. You are a true partisan to the end.

[57Brave]

I'm sorry you feel that way after knowing what has been released. You are a true partisan to the end.

Over the past 25 years if there was something there outside of whisper campaign -- there would have been indictments

There are/were no indictments because there was/were no cases of "corruption"
We have seen more evidence of blatant corruption in the past 6 weeks yet ...

Not real good at keeping your eye on the ball, are ya ?,

[thethe]

Over the past 25 years if there was something there outside of whisper campaign -- there would have been indictments

There are/were no indictments because there was/were no cases of "corruption"
We have seen more evidence of blatant corruption in the past 6 weeks yet ...

Not real good at keeping your eye on the ball, are ya ?,

Was that the topic of this discussion?

[57Brave]

Kinda is

[thethe]

Kinda is

No, it really isn't.

THe discussion is the hacks. IT'S THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!!!

It has absolutely nothing to do with the shady dealing of Trump. By all means start that discussion in another thread but don't derail this one because you can't defend a statement that the contents of the Podesta e-mails weren't damning at all.

[57Brave]

However, he wasn't wrong to use the information.

Tell me, if the hacks weren't about corruption were they really about John Podesta's dinner plans ?
Like I've been saying for months most of you wouldn't know corruption if it stole your wallet and bought your wife a dress.

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/stephen-henderson/2016/09/03/charter-devos-money-michigan/89774760/

[sturg33]

I'm still not sure what damning information

John Podesta's pizza plans ?
Chelsea Clinton went off on someone ?

Good lord, y'all are gullible

If the information wasn't damning, then why do you think it made an impact?

[thethe]

If the information wasn't damning, then why do you think it made an impact?

WOW - Brilliant.

[The Chosen One]

If the information wasn't damning, then why do you think it made an impact?

Perception.

People don't have to look up the facts to perceive there's wrongdoing. We've already seen how one guy shot up the pizza joint because of spoof news. Now expand that to millions of average joes that vote but don't fact check or source their "news".

We'll never know how much the hacks and leaks helped Trump. It was a close race within the margin of error. Trump seems to be diverting and saying people are blaming the voting machines. Nobody has even brought that up except him.

To be honest I'd like to see what the hackers got on the RNC that they didn't release. Could be used to blackmail the GOP moving forward.

[sturg33]

Perception.

People don't have to look up the facts to perceive there's wrongdoing. We've already seen how one guy shot up the pizza joint because of spoof news. Now expand that to millions of average joes that vote but don't fact check or source their "news".

We'll never know how much the hacks and leaks helped Trump. It was a close race within the margin of error. Trump seems to be diverting and saying people are blaming the voting machines. Nobody has even brought that up except him.

To be honest I'd like to see what the hackers got on the RNC that they didn't release. Could be used to blackmail the GOP moving forward.

And the release of Trump's tax return and the pussy grab video didn't offer the same negative perception?

The left has become the new conspiracy theorists and it's pretty pathetic

[thethe]

And the release of Trump's tax return and the pussy grab video didn't offer the same negative perception?

The left has become the new conspiracy theorists and it's pretty pathetic

Its ok for NBC to interfere with the election. Their agenda is much more pure of course!

[The Chosen One]

And the release of Trump's tax return and the pussy grab video didn't offer the same negative perception?

The left has become the new conspiracy theorists and it's pretty pathetic

Firstly, Trump was the one that said he would release his taxes at a later time because "My taxes are so complicated they're multiple forms". He's also the one that bragged about paying less than his rate. He created his own doubt when he did those things. Nothing to conspire there.

Secondly, watching a 10 second clip of Trump saying you can grab them by the pussy is easier than fact checking 10000 emails. He admitted to it and apologized. There was no perception conspiracy. The guy that has had 3 wives. The guy whose surrogates Newt and Rudy had 8 wives as well. So him getting caught saying that wasn't really a surprise.

Trump campaigned on locking Hillary up for all of her crooked corruption. When he said a few days after the election that it was time to bring the country together and he wouldn't pursue Hillary it was clear they had no real substance to get her. The timing of the last minute Comey stuff was all pereception. Thus Hillary's team was urging and desperate for the FBI to release everything they found.

Since the the liberals are the New conspiracy theorists do you think Slick Bill and Hillary had people killed on their behalf?

[The Chosen One]

Its ok for NBC to interfere with the election. Their agenda is much more pure of course!

I don't watch much network or cable news. How did NBC interfere with the election?

[The Chosen One]

Btw I'm not a Hillary person. I do find it hilarious to see the enemy of my enemy thing going on with sturg. Hates liberals so much he goes out and defends Trump several times.

[The Chosen One]

Btw what about Trump settling the Trump Uni case? the guy that says I don't settle I never settle I win. Is that a conspiracy theory?

[thethe]

I don't watch much network or cable news. How did NBC interfere with the election?

NBC/Fox/Cnn they all interfere. There is no unbiased reporting.

[The Chosen One]

I don't know if sturg is trolling but all of the sudden the last week or so sturg does not understand context.

[thethe]

Firstly, Trump was the one that said he would release his taxes at a later time because "My taxes are so complicated they're multiple forms". He's also the one that bragged about paying less than his rate. He created his own doubt when he did those things. Nothing to conspire there.

Secondly, watching a 10 second clip of Trump saying you can grab them by the pussy is easier than fact checking 10000 emails. He admitted to it and apologized. There was no perception conspiracy. The guy that has had 3 wives. The guy whose surrogates Newt and Rudy had 8 wives as well. So him getting caught saying that wasn't really a surprise.

Trump campaigned on locking Hillary up for all of her crooked corruption. When he said a few days after the election that it was time to bring the country together and he wouldn't pursue Hillary it was clear they had no real substance to get her. The timing of the last minute Comey stuff was all pereception. Thus Hillary's team was urging and desperate for the FBI to release everything they found.

Since the the liberals are the New conspiracy theorists do you think Slick Bill and Hillary had people killed on their behalf?

Fact checking those e-mails is an easy endeavor as well.

THe originals exist and would just need to be compared using any simple word processing program. They never bothered to 'fact-check' them because the angle was to focus on the hack and not the content of the e-mails. They very clearly were all real e-mails.

[sturg33]

Btw I'm not a Hillary person. I do find it hilarious to see the enemy of my enemy thing going on with sturg. Hates liberals so much he goes out and defends Trump several times.

Where have I defended Trump?

I defend the truth... and wikileaks gave it to us. I frankly don't care how the information was obtained. Like cajun said, truth is not propaganda.

Propaganda is what the left is spouting now. Blaming the Russians for something without a single shred of evidence. And the sheep are eating it up

[The Chosen One]

NBC/Fox/Cnn they all interfere. There is no unbiased reporting.

I want to see credible evidence they interfered. Having bias =\= interfered. Fox News has clear bias. So what are we saying now that they interfered in the election?

[sturg33]

Firstly, Trump was the one that said he would release his taxes at a later time because "My taxes are so complicated they're multiple forms". He's also the one that bragged about paying less than his rate. He created his own doubt when he did those things. Nothing to conspire there.

Secondly, watching a 10 second clip of Trump saying you can grab them by the pussy is easier than fact checking 10000 emails. He admitted to it and apologized. There was no perception conspiracy. The guy that has had 3 wives. The guy whose surrogates Newt and Rudy had 8 wives as well. So him getting caught saying that wasn't really a surprise.

Trump campaigned on locking Hillary up for all of her crooked corruption. When he said a few days after the election that it was time to bring the country together and he wouldn't pursue Hillary it was clear they had no real substance to get her. The timing of the last minute Comey stuff was all pereception. Thus Hillary's team was urging and desperate for the FBI to release everything they found.

Since the the liberals are the New conspiracy theorists do you think Slick Bill and Hillary had people killed on their behalf?

I can't for the life of me understand how these things are different other than the content itself.

[sturg33]

I want to see credible evidence they interfered. Having bias =\= interfered. Fox News has clear bias. So what are we saying now that they interfered in the election?


Then how did Russia interfere? Having bias =/= interfered

[thethe]

I want to see credible evidence they interfered. Having bias =\= interfered. Fox News has clear bias. So what are we saying now that they interfered in the election?

Yes - They all interfere because they are trying to sway the minds of the electorate. Isn't that the same thing the left is accusing Russia of?

[The Chosen One]

Where have I defended Trump?

I defend the truth... and wikileaks gave it to us. I frankly don't care how the information was obtained. Like cajun said, truth is not propaganda.

Propaganda is what the left is spouting now. Blaming the Russians for something without a single shred of evidence. And the sheep are eating it up

Using false equivalency of Trump actually saying grab em by the pussy to what I said about the perception of Hillary's emails despite people not knowing what was in them.

I have not brought up Russia here at all. I'm surprised you defend Russia more than you do. Obama didn't go to war with Russia. He diplomatically sanctioned Russia. Shouldn't you be ok with that? Aren't you always about no war and diplomacy? Or you're against sanctions I guess. The Ruble was on the verge of collapsing. Obama helped cripple their economy diplomatically. Do you not think Russia felt it was in their best interests to have a President that would be more open to lifting the sanctions and working with them?

[sturg33]

Using false equivalency of Trump actually saying grab em by the pussy to what I said about the perception of Hillary's emails despite people not knowing what was in them.

I have not brought up Russia here at all. I'm surprised you defend Russia more than you do. Obama didn't go to war with Russia. He diplomatically sanctioned Russia. Shouldn't you be ok with that? Aren't you always about no war and diplomacy? Or you're against sanctions I guess. The Ruble was on the verge of collapsing. Obama helped cripple their economy diplomatically. Do you not think Russia felt it was in their best interests to have a President that would be more open to lifting the sanctions and working with them?

Sanctions lead to war. And I don't blame Russia for calling America out on its hypocrisy.

[The Chosen One]

Sanctions lead to war. And I don't blame Russia for calling America out on its hypocrisy.

We've had the Cuba embargo for decades and haven't really had any threats from Cuba since the Cold War. We've got sanctions on North Korea. We know he's a puppet of China and likely wouldn't be stupid enough to attack us with a bomb. You're always the one talking about the war machine and military industrial complex trying to incite Wars. We had sanctions on Iran and we lifted those with the nuclear deal no war.

[sturg33]

We've had the Cuba embargo for decades and haven't really had any threats from Cuba since the Cold War. We've got sanctions on North Korea. We know he's a puppet of China and likely wouldn't be stupid enough to attack us with a bomb. You're always the one talking about the war machine and military industrial complex trying to incite Wars. We had sanctions on Iran and we lifted those with the nuclear deal no war.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make... seems like you're trying to change the subject.

I don't like meddling in the affairs of other countries. I gave Obama props for the Iran deal.

Us putting economic sanctions on this ridiculous - evidence less - "hacking" controversy is an act that could very likely end up in a war.

I don't understand yet though what they allegedly did wrong and why I should care. I've asked the board several times and it doesn't get answered. And there is no difference in the info released on HRC and DJT... just HRC's was more damning.

[The Chosen One]

I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

Thats been a consistent theme for you this week.

What was the damning evidence for Hillary btw? I didn't really care for her anyways but trying to say Trump sexually assaulting someone was the equivalent to Hillary using a private email server. FBI cleared her twice. Whether or not you and I agree with that ruling is another story. Trump settled in a case he was accused of fraud and we never got to see him get tried for grabbing women by the pussy.

Now did the wikileaks prove Hillary ordered assassinations to people leaking stuff about her? Did they mention she wanted Chris Stevens dead in Benghazi?

[sturg33]

Thats been a consistent theme for you this week.

What was the damning evidence for Hillary btw? I didn't really care for her anyways but trying to say Trump sexually assaulting someone was the equivalent to Hillary using a private email server. FBI cleared her twice. Whether or not you and I agree with that ruling is another story. Trump settled in a case he was accused of fraud and we never got to see him get tried for grabbing women by the pussy.

Now did the wikileaks prove Hillary ordered assassinations to people leaking stuff about her? Did they mention she wanted Chris Stevens dead in Benghazi?

You are all over the place. Stay focused. You haven't yet answered any of my questions but I'll continue to answer yours.

The damning evidence on Hilary was constant email leaks that hinted or downright proved corruption. There was even one where she say we should interfere with a foreign election. Oh, the irony. But again I'll ask - if the information wasn't damning, then why did it make an impact? If you say perception, how is that any different than the Trump stuff - which you just admitted was worse than HRC! You're argument is horribly inconsistent.

I don't know why you keep bringing up nonsense like your last sentence. I've never said anything of the sort.

The left can't have it both ways. They can't say on one hand that the info was meaningless, and then on the other say that the release of the info interfered with the election. Doesn't work like that.

Then the war monger Obama saying we must retaliate against Russia - for something that there is not a shred of evidence - and the American people are eating it up. I have a feeling this will end in some sort of conflict focused on Syria - and we'll use this as an excuse as to why we can no longer listen to Russia.

[The Chosen One]

I don't understand yet though what they allegedly did wrong and why I should care. I've asked the board several times and it doesn't get answered. And there is no difference in the info released on HRC and DJT... just HRC's was more damning.

Allegedly I'm worried that the hackers whom also claimed to have RNC stuff but only released DNC stuff are going to try and blackmail certain Republicans.
Allegedly the Kremlin were a lot more vested into Trump.

Assume that the hackers were in fact connected to Putin. Well they seem to have a lot more leverage now with Trump.

Trump was shown an intelligence briefing on Friday where he neither dismissed nor confirmed the russians involvement. Instead he called people stupid and said the voting machines were not hacked. Nobody is arguing anything about the voting machines. That was never an issue. What was in issue in my eyes is the RNC stuff not also being released only the Dems.

I will say Hillary didn't lose solely because of the alleged Russian stuff. She had lots of bad flaws. I will say that this should not be the status quo in future elections.

[sturg33]

Allegedly I'm worried that the hackers whom also claimed to have RNC stuff but only released DNC stuff are going to try and blackmail certain Republicans.
Allegedly the Kremlin were a lot more vested into Trump.

Assume that the hackers were in fact connected to Putin. Well they seem to have a lot more leverage now with Trump.

Trump was shown an intelligence briefing on Friday where he neither dismissed nor confirmed the russians involvement. Instead he called people stupid and said the voting machines were not hacked. Nobody is arguing anything about the voting machines. That was never an issue. What was in issue in my eyes is the RNC stuff not also being released only the Dems.

I will say Hillary didn't lose solely because of the alleged Russian stuff. She had lots of bad flaws. I will say that this should not be the status quo in future elections.

Now that wasn't so hard.

I haven't yet heard about having RNC information, but I really hope they release it if they do. Wikileaks has certainly never chosen to be partisan.

As for Putin wanting Trump... would you blame him? HRC has basically called him the devil and was planning to continue or strengthen economic sanctions against them.

We really should be trying to make friends with them. But we refuse because we don't like that Putin doesn't kiss the ring. Hopefully Trump will be able to improve relations.

[thethe]

Now that wasn't so hard.

I haven't yet heard about having RNC information, but I really hope they release it if they do. Wikileaks has certainly never chosen to be partisan.

As for Putin wanting Trump... would you blame him? HRC has basically called him the devil and was planning to continue or strengthen economic sanctions against them.

We really should be trying to make friends with them. But we refuse because we don't like that Putin doesn't kiss the ring. Hopefully Trump will be able to improve relations.

We are going to need Russia to solve the big issues in this world. It's too complex to go at it alone and the rest of EUrope is too scared to do what needs to be done.

[thethe]

So I guess nobody is happy that we found out just how corrupt the 'news' organizations are?

[The Chosen One]

You are all over the place. Stay focused. You haven't yet answered any of my questions but I'll continue to answer yours.

The damning evidence on Hilary was constant email leaks that hinted or downright proved corruption. There was even one where she say we should interfere with a foreign election. Oh, the irony. But again I'll ask - if the information wasn't damning, then why did it make an impact? If you say perception, how is that any different than the Trump stuff - which you just admitted was worse than HRC! You're argument is horribly inconsistent.

I don't know why you keep bringing up nonsense like your last sentence. I've never said anything of the sort.

The left can't have it both ways. They can't say on one hand that the info was meaningless, and then on the other say that the release of the info interfered with the election. Doesn't work like that.

Then the war monger Obama saying we must retaliate against Russia - for something that there is not a shred of evidence - and the American people are eating it up. I have a feeling this will end in some sort of conflict focused on Syria - and we'll use this as an excuse as to why we can no longer listen to Russia.

The last sentence was clearly not serious.

I never said anything about the info being meaningless. You keep saying "the left" and "liberals". Why is it hard for you to grasp that someone hearing about Hillary's emails without actually reading them might be more easily persuaded? Trump actually admitted to doing something that heinous. Didn't read about Hillary talk about meddling in foreign elections but that's hardly treasonous.

And lol at calling Obama a war monger. If anything the right always complains he's too passive and not big sticking enough in the Middle East.

[The Chosen One]

So I guess nobody is happy that we found out just how corrupt the 'news' organizations are?

I'm still waiting. Trump had a fake fight with Scarborough and Mika from MSNBC. During the primaries he was always the first guest on their show the morning after and their show always had him exclusively. He's been on Morning Joe for years before running.

If anything the "liberal media" was guilty of giving Trump too much airtime. He brought in so much ratings it's hard to ignore him.

Bias =\= Interfered.

Who owns the liberal media btw? Aren't they all Jewish guys? Is Israel telling them to do this? [semi-joking and channeling my inner goldie]

[The Chosen One]

Trump has been a genius at marketing propaganda. Plays the victim card very well.

[sturg33]

And lol at calling Obama a war monger. If anything the right always complains he's too passive and not big sticking enough in the Middle East.

Obama is a massive manipulator. And I am not the right. He is the perfect salesman for an imperial nation that is the US.

But the reality is this president bombed 7 nations and became the first in U.S. history to be at war every single day of his eight year administration. Let's just look at 2016 alone:

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[57Brave]

Dante Atkins ‏@DanteAtkins 3h3 hours ago

FBI had both "Russians have blackmail info on Trump" and "There are irrelevant emails on Weiner's laptop."

Guess what they publicized.

[Garmel]

Dante Atkins ‏@DanteAtkins 3h3 hours ago

FBI had both "Russians have blackmail info on Trump" and "There are irrelevant emails on Weiner's laptop."

Guess what they publicized.


:facepalm: Because one is truth and the other one is unsubstantiated.