Thank you Obama, won't forget ya...

[goldfly]

56K jobs added

Unemployment rate for college grads is 2.5%

Hourly pay jumped 2.9% from a year earlier

From an economic standpoint, we are almost at full employment.

That added up to 288,333 jobs per month or 2.5 million a year or 28 million jobs over his entire term,

[sturg33]

Only took him $9T in additional deficit (i.e. stealing from future generations)

$6T in quantative easing from a federal reserve

0% interest rates for the entire Presidency

And we got that 1% GDP growth.

Oh, and don't forget the "bring respect to the office" thing

[Garmel]

The unemployment rate is only low because people have quit looking for work. The labor participation rate is terrible.

[thethe]

The unemployment rate is only low because people have quit looking for work. The labor participation rate is terrible.

Convenient for the libs.

Can we talk about what types of jobs have been added as well? Are these net jobs?

[sturg33]

Convenient for the libs.

Can we talk about what types of jobs have been added as well? Are these net jobs?

Government jobs have done well.

I think it was Krugman who said in order to stimulate the economy, we should bomb one of our cities so we can re-build it.

Seriously

[goldfly]

just as i thought you guys would reply

it sucks it took him that long to dig us out of a hole of a near depression

but i mean, it wasn't like congress was trying to help him get america back on its feet

[sturg33]

just as i thought you guys would reply

it sucks it took him that long to dig us out of a hole of a near depression

but i mean, it wasn't like congress was trying to help him get america back on its feet

I don't think you understand much if this is how you are thinking about it.

Context matters.

[goldfly]

haters gonna hate till the bitter end

[thethe]

haters gonna hate till the bitter end

History will judge Obama as an awful president.

And before you respond....I understand we are all racists.

[goldfly]

.I understand we are all racists.

ok, i guess that takes a big step to come out to speak for yourself and others


but i'll take your word for it

[Garmel]

History will judge Obama as an awful president.

And before you respond....I understand we are all racists.

I wish that damn nominate button would work.

[57Brave]

Judging by what came before Obama and what follows

Probably not but --- based solely on his handling of 2008 financial melt down and binLaden. Not to mention ...

But sure -- you've advocated shooting HRC and imprisoning her based on ... really not sure what.

There is the news from today --- speaking of illegitimate Presidents

[goldfly]

Bakari Sellers ‏@Bakari_Sellers 2m2 minutes ago

Since Monday @realDonaldTrump has lied about Intelligence mtg, the Great Wall of Mexico, Iran Deal, and Russia. Not small potatoes...
5 replies 12 retweets 29 likes

we have a thread to talk about that con man already going

[57Brave]

we have a thread to talk about that con man already going

*

[sturg33]

Judging by what came before Obama and what follows

Probably not but --- based solely on his handling of 2008 financial melt down and binLaden. Not to mention ...

But sure -- you've advocated shooting HRC and imprisoning her based on ... really not sure what.

There is the news from today --- speaking of illegitimate Presidents

I'm surprised you supported Obama's bailing out big evil businesses the way he did... but he was the wall street President, after all. A lot of people made a lot of money thanks to the big O

[sturg33]

haters gonna hate till the bitter end

I am curious if you are even able to grasp the points of my first post. Are they wrong? Or do you not think it made a difference?

[Oklahomahawk]

Government jobs have done well.

I think it was Krugman who said in order to stimulate the economy, we should bomb one of our cities so we can re-build it.

Seriously

Can I pick the city? You know, just askin'

[cajunrevenge]

Obama is just as much a war criminal who should hang from a noose as all the other living presidents. He is a black slave owner. We have more black slaves now than at any point before the civil war. Waging war against the American people is literally the definition of treason in the constitution.

[Oklahomahawk]

Obama is just as much a war criminal who should hang from a noose as all the other living presidents. He is a black slave owner. We have more black slaves now than at any point before the civil war. Waging war against the American people is literally the definition of treason in the constitution.

Obama may not be a great president but at least he's better than Goddell. ;)

[cajunrevenge]

I think Obama did less damage than GWB, Clintons, Reagan and Nixon. Nixon started the American Holocaust. Reagan ramped it up. When he took office 6% of people though drug abuse was the #1 problem in America, by 1986 that stat was over 80%. That happened because of Reagan fear mongering and the media trumped up hysteria. That's why we got all those draconian drug laws of the 90's.



Throughout all of history government has always abused it's power. Always. A lot of people like to think of the government as the good guys but it will always end up being run by the bad guys. Even the leaders that mean well are guilty of some of the worst atrocities. There is only one solution to this problem and it is limiting governments power. They won't give it up willingly.

[Tomahawking4life]

Get the f*ck out of here Obama.

Thanks for nothing.

[cajunrevenge]

Thanks for dropping over 26k bombs in your last year in office.

[Tomahawking4life]

Obama the Worst President Since WWII? (http://time.com/2949984/barack-obama-poll/)

According to this poll, Americans think so.

Yeah, thanks a lot Obama...lol

[goldfly]

Obama the Worst President Since WWII? (http://time.com/2949984/barack-obama-poll/)

According to this poll, Americans think so.

Yeah, thanks a lot Obama...lol

Gallup:

Barack Obama's Presidential Job Approval Ratings
% Polling dates
Most recent weekly average 55 Dec 26, 2016-Jan 1, 2017

[sturg33]

Can't figure out if goldy understands what he posts or is just trolling

[MrShwag]

... Your failed policies allowed us to usher in the Trump era. Thanks again.

[sturg33]

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[cajunrevenge]

Also would like to thank Obama for increasing federal raids of state legal medical Marijuana clinics. Who else would protect us from one legged grandmas.

[Oklahomahawk]

Also would like to thank Obama for increasing federal raids of state legal medical Marijuana clinics. Who else would protect us from one legged grandmas.

Yeah well you never commented on my post comparing Obama favorably with Roger Goddell. ;)

[cajunrevenge]

Are you trying to give me an aneurysm?

[weso1]

Only took him $9T in additional deficit (i.e. stealing from future generations)

$6T in quantative easing from a federal reserve

0% interest rates for the entire Presidency

And we got that 1% GDP growth.

Oh, and don't forget the "bring respect to the office" thing

And all we got was a very weak recovery.

[Runnin]

And all we got was a very weak recovery.

The key here is "recovery" and even more importantly, why we needed one.

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[sturg33]

The key here is "recovery" and even more importantly, why we needed one.

https://scontent-nrt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/15894850_1380685482024502_2358688906676836601_n.pn g?oh=12f1a750bed4bd83bbdfb584cdbf8337&oe=5913D3D6

LOL I love that this picture is getting posted everyone online now. IT'S NOT ****ING RAINING IN THE TOP ONE. There's literally another picture - when it is raining - where he is holding it right above her head.

Goodness people

[weso1]

The key here is "recovery" and even more importantly, why we needed one.

https://scontent-nrt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/15894850_1380685482024502_2358688906676836601_n.pn g?oh=12f1a750bed4bd83bbdfb584cdbf8337&oe=5913D3D6

Hodor as President would have had a "recovery". The key actually is in the strength of the recovery.

[weso1]

The key here is "recovery" and even more importantly, why we needed one.

https://scontent-nrt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/15894850_1380685482024502_2358688906676836601_n.pn g?oh=12f1a750bed4bd83bbdfb584cdbf8337&oe=5913D3D6

Obama refusing to hold an umbrella for his wife while she's being shat on by a rain storm. Let's someone else do it. What a cuck.

[goldfly]

i don't get why that photo keeps getting posted either honestly

i also don't get why sturg is saying it isn't raining in the first one

it was raining

and trump can be seen sharing the umbrella better with the florida ag in other pics

just a cheap bs internet post the likes of infowars would spread


what that picture should be about is how the orange piece of **** paid of the florida ag to not go after him

[57Brave]

The truth is that Obama enacted careful, deep, and mostly popular solutions to a broad array of problems to which his opponents have no workable response. For all the horrors Trump may yet unleash, the specific changes Obama wrought may prove far more durable than either his gloating enemies or his despairing supporters believe.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/obama-legacy-more-secure-than-you-think.html

[goldfly]

a good farewell speech last night

loved Eddie Vedder opening up for him

[sturg33]

Obama could always give a great speech. But actions speak louder than words to those who are paying attention

[thethe]

Obama could always give a great speech. But actions speak louder than words to those who are paying attention

Exactly. Brilliant orator but because the left were madly in love with him they hung by every word and never held him to task for the terrible job he did.

[sturg33]

Actions speak louder than words. Nice of Obama to give Trump additional authoritarian power


With mere days left before President-elect Donald Trump takes the White House, President Barack Obama’s administration just finalized rules to make it easier for the nation’s intelligence agencies to share unfiltered information about innocent people.

New rules issued by the Obama administration under Executive Order 12333 will let the NSA—which collects information under that authority with little oversight, transparency, or concern for privacy—share the raw streams of communications it intercepts directly with agencies including the FBI, the DEA, and the Department of Homeland Security, according to a report today by the New York Times.

Link (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out)

[BedellBrave]

What I'll miss about President Obama - his poise, confidence, dignity, and the love he displayed for his family. I think conservative critics of his policies (and I am one of those) ought to be careful not to miss that which was truly praiseworthy. Peggy Noonan figured it out. Link (http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-cabinets-good-opening-week-1484266140).

[Julio3000]

I think President Obama is an outstanding man, a good role model (per the article BB linked), and a pretty damned good president, given the circumstances of his time in office. There is no shortage of mistakes and disappointments to point out, but I think he bore the burden of the often unrealistic hopes and expectations placed upon him with notable aplomb.

[weso1]

I think Obama was pretty terrible. He's a celebrity first president. His whole presidency was defined by his celebrity and imo, that helped lead to the Trump era we're now in. Tween girls love the guy. He also acquiesced to the social justice warrior movement, which has been a significant blight on those who believe in the right of free speech. This idea that his circumstances were particularly challenging is absurd. Obama came in a few months after a potential depression had been prevented. He should have seen a period of great economic growth. That didn't happen. He's an enemy of the republic. He seems to hate state rights. Who he is as a man is nice, but it could all just be a facade for all I know. It's meaningless. His policies were crap. That's the most important thing.

[Julio3000]

I think Obama was pretty terrible. He's a celebrity first president. His whole presidency was defined by his celebrity and imo, that helped lead to the Trump era we're now in. Tween girls love the guy. He also acquiesced to the social justice warrior movement, which has been a significant blight on those who believe in the right of free speech. This idea that his circumstances were particularly challenging is absurd. Obama came in a few months after a potential depression had been prevented. He should have seen a period of great economic growth. That didn't happen. He's an enemy of the republic. He seems to hate state rights. Who he is as a man is nice, but it could all just be a facade for all I know. It's meaningless. His policies were crap. That's the most important thing.

Can you cite a credible source that supports the argument that Obama should have overseen a period of great economic growth?

An enemy of the republic? Wha?

[weso1]

Can you cite a credible source that supports the argument that Obama should have overseen a period of great economic growth?

An enemy of the republic? Wha?

We saw tremendous growth after the Great Depression and during the great Reagan years. We've seen comparatively stale growth with Obama by a significant margin.

Obama is pretty clearly an enemy of the republic, imo. He wants the federal government to gain significantly more power and wants to weaken the power of the republic.

[thethe]

We saw tremendous growth after the Great Depression and during the great Reagan years. We've seen comparatively stale growth with Obama by a significant margin.

Obama is pretty clearly an enemy of the republic, imo. He wants the federal government to gain significantly more power and wants to weaken the power of the republic.

Thats due to Obamas complete lack of understanding for basic economic principles. The governments job is to create an environment whereby private enterprise is incentivized to grow. That is the only way for true econcomic prosperity. Its the continued approach from the left however of taxing people out of poverty which only accomplishes impacting the middle class.

[acesfull86]

Thats due to Obamas complete lack of understanding for basic economic principles. The governments job is to create an environment whereby private enterprise is incentivized to grow. That is the only way for true econcomic prosperity. Its the continued approach from the left however of taxing people out of poverty which only accomplishes impacting the middle class.

Unfortunately the incoming administration might be even more clueless

[thethe]

Unfortunately the incoming administration might be even more clueless

They certainly may be on many issues but I think he is going to be a great economic president.

Those that are 'market capitalists' need to understand that the global economy hurts Americans more than it helps. I understand you are against any kind of import tariffs but the overall strength of the middle class has been eroded due to globalism.

[Runnin]

The governments job is to create an environment whereby private enterprise is incentivized to grow. That is the only way for true econcomic prosperity..
Private business already has an incentive to grow - it's called profit.

[sturg33]

Private business already has an incentive to grow - it's called profit.

Why do we make it so difficult for them?

Why does the federal government continue to grow so much? I have friends in the federal government and they have become useless, unmotivated, pay check collectors. Wheras my friends in the startup industry work their asses off and are motivated to do amazing things.

[57Brave]

"amazing things"

Good lord sturg -- you even sound like trump

there used to be a guy on Scout that lived in Cincinnati that claimed every black person was on welfare.
Because he knew someone that said so
.....

The word for the day ----- "DICTATE "

[Julio3000]

We saw tremendous growth after the Great Depression and during the great Reagan years. We've seen comparatively stale growth with Obama by a significant margin.

Obama is pretty clearly an enemy of the republic, imo. He wants the federal government to gain significantly more power and wants to weaken the power of the republic.

Comparing the recoveries from the Great Depression, the Great Recession, and the 1980s recession is to some degree apples and oranges, but it seems pretty futile to hang your anti-Obama argument on that. Yes, economic growth was strong in the wake of the GD. It ended in 1939. It's almost as if there were some global event that provided employment for every working-age male and maxed out US industrial capacity.

I'm not going to go into the weeds of comparing the Reagan and Obama eras, but if you think there was mid-80s economic growth to be found in the last decade, I think you'd have a hard time finding non-partisan sources that agree with you. And if you expect that kind of growth under Trump, I suspect you're going to be disappointed.

[Julio3000]

Thats due to Obamas complete lack of understanding for basic economic principles. The governments job is to create an environment whereby private enterprise is incentivized to grow. That is the only way for true econcomic prosperity. Its the continued approach from the left however of taxing people out of poverty which only accomplishes impacting the middle class.

This kind of thing cracks me up. Message board laymen shouldn't second-guess the Braves FO because, after all, they're professionals with a superior base of knowledge at any given time. But feel free to assume that you know more about economics than the professionals.

[thethe]

This kind of thing cracks me up. Message board laymen shouldn't second-guess the Braves FO because, after all, they're professionals with a superior base of knowledge at any given time. But feel free to assume that you know more about economics than the professionals.

The last 8 years results speak for themselves

[cajunrevenge]

Can you cite a credible source that supports the argument that Obama should have overseen a period of great economic growth?

An enemy of the republic? Wha?


If he legalized weed on day 1 the economy would be booming like the late 90's. It's over 100 billion dollar a year business and would create around 250k jobs as well as all kinds of fringe benefits like not trapping people into a cycle of poverty because of a pot possession arrest.



The other thing Obama could have done is require police officers to buy liability insurance. I think this would solve most of the police problems. The ones that protest or fight it I would assume are the bad apples and fire them. This isn't directly about the economy but tax payer money should NEVER be used to pay for a government agent wrongly beating people. New York city paid something like 750 million in one year.

[thethe]

Private business already has an incentive to grow - it's called profit.

Yes, and when the profit it more difficult to come by because of the environment there is less incentive to to grow.

[AerchAngel]

Obama, the black race thanks you for being the first black president.

BUT YOU DID NOT DO SCHIT FOR US. You rather help Muslims, gays, Hispanics and other people but not your own kind. We have even more problems since you came in office.

Go f*ck yourself in your self made glory as it is all about you and leave our race to the whites who aren't going to lift one pinky to help us.

[sturg33]

"amazing things"

Good lord sturg -- you even sound like trump

there used to be a guy on Scout that lived in Cincinnati that claimed every black person was on welfare.
Because he knew someone that said so
.....

The word for the day ----- "DICTATE "

yeah, my government friends are trying to figure out how to get a 2 hour lunch and to be able to leave at 4:30

My start up friends are trying how to figure out to fulfill deliveries within 60 minutes of purchasing.

To each his own

[57Brave]

Obama, the black race thanks you for being the first black president.

BUT YOU DID NOT DO SCHIT FOR US. You rather help Muslims, gays, Hispanics and other people but not your own kind. We have even more problems since you came in office.

Go f*ck yourself in your self made glory as it is all about you and leave our race to the whites who aren't going to lift one pinky to help us.



who left you of all people to be a spokesman for "the Black Race"

I still question whether you are in fact African-American -- you are so far out of touch with the reality of Black America.

[thethe]

who left you of all people to be a spokesman for "the Black Race"

I still question whether you are in fact African-American -- you are so far out of touch with the reality of Black America.

Your "blackness" becomes in question if you don't fall in line with the leftists. Sorry AA.

[bravesnumberone]

I hope 57 is black because, otherwise, how patronizing for a white man to tell a black man what the reality of black America is or how he should feel about issues that affect black people.

[thethe]

I hope 57 is black because, otherwise, how patronizing for a white man to tell a black man what the reality of black America is or how he should feel about issues that affect black people.

Or the assumption that ALL black people fit into a monolith. There is absolutely no chance for any black people to view issues that impact them differently

[57Brave]

By that idea AA should preface " this black man thinks". Rather than presuming he speaks for all. My interactions find him fulla crap
If in fact he is black !!!

[AerchAngel]

By that idea AA should preface " this black man thinks". Rather than presuming he speaks for all. My interactions find him fulla crap
If in fact he is black !!!

Sav knows I am black and those on FB as well.

Yes, I am a spokesperson for the black race in my community.

Fact is that you are as what people say. You want to keep me and my race down because the only people you can control is us and those who you can manipulate. I never seen Republicans or Conservatives manipulate a certain section of people. Um what is their MO, you do what you can do with life without us parenting you or live and let live. You keep them in a fold your message would be heard and if we dare shake the apple cart, you will trump up something to our race to keep us in the fold. That is how you operate.

[BedellBrave]

who left you of all people to be a spokesman for "the Black Race"

I still question whether you are in fact African-American -- you are so far out of touch with the reality of Black America.


Come on 57. You can do better than that.

[57Brave]

Thinking here is statistics are telling us teen pregnancies are down during Obama's time.
Would think that a positive for the "black community"

or, merely, all Americans

[Dalyn]

Thinking here is statistics are telling us teen pregnancies are down during Obama's time.
Would think that a positive for the "black community"

or, merely, all Americans

:HeywardWut:

[AerchAngel]

Save it peeps. 57 just want an obedient black man to be our master so he can make sure we are taking care of as long as we do what he says.

He is no better than the slave masters we had when we were sold to the southerners.

Blacks really don't like people like him to be honest. We hate paternalism.

[57Brave]

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[sturg33]

I've never understood why the "parents plan til 26" is a thing... or even a good thing.

Why not 27? Or 37? Or 67? Why is it a good thing? I'm not following

[AerchAngel]

I've never understood why the "parents plan til 26" is a thing... or even a good thing.

Why not 27? Or 37? Or 67? Why is it a good thing? I'm not following

They should extended as much as child support but you know they can't because black fathers don't pay child support so they put that in there because some blacks can't get edumacated till they are 26 due to Democrat policies that makes it slow for them to get a proper education. Democrats send the worse teachers to the black neighborhood for this reason only by the union. YOu have no idea how bad the teachers records are for the poor areas where black is the majority. My mom call it the punish room for teachers. Where she is were the teachers that had bad marks get sent to Metro centers, the ones that have bad kids and the teachers don't bother since they have a black mark to really teach. They are just referees keeping the peace. YOu see Democrats don't want you so know or see that. If they can send bad teachers to bad schools and keep feeding my race bad education, you keep your votes and you keep us down. Hey, this is from the mouth of a teacher and her principal and best friend. They don't like it but they do what the union say.

[50PoundHead]

Sav knows I am black and those on FB as well.

Yes, I am a spokesperson for the black race in my community.

Fact is that you are as what people say. You want to keep me and my race down because the only people you can control is us and those who you can manipulate. I never seen Republicans or Conservatives manipulate a certain section of people. Um what is their MO, you do what you can do with life without us parenting you or live and let live. You keep them in a fold your message would be heard and if we dare shake the apple cart, you will trump up something to our race to keep us in the fold. That is how you operate.

I defer to you on perspectives relating to race, but I have to take issue with what I've bolded in one your posts above. Both sides manipulate through the use of various imagries and it was highly evident in the past election. If you don't think some of Trump's language was used to manipulate, you must have been asleep. Same thing goes for Walker in Wisconsin. Going way back, read McGinnis' The Selling of a President which outlined the 1968 election strategy used by Nixon. Before that conservatives were going around calling everyone a Communist.

[50PoundHead]

They should extended as much as child support but you know they can't because black fathers don't pay child support so they put that in there because some blacks can't get edumacated till they are 26 due to Democrat policies that makes it slow for them to get a proper education. Democrats send the worse teachers to the black neighborhood for this reason only by the union. YOu have no idea how bad the teachers records are for the poor areas where black is the majority. My mom call it the punish room for teachers. Where she is were the teachers that had bad marks get sent to Metro centers, the ones that have bad kids and the teachers don't bother since they have a black mark to really teach. They are just referees keeping the peace. YOu see Democrats don't want you so know or see that. If they can send bad teachers to bad schools and keep feeding my race bad education, you keep your votes and you keep us down. Hey, this is from the mouth of a teacher and her principal and best friend. They don't like it but they do what the union say.

I work on education policy and there's no doubt that the quality of education in urban centers leaves much to be desired. That said, I don't see how anything Secretary DeVos will propose will likely change matters dramatically. Charters? We've seen a lot of self-segregation in Minnesota due to charters and achievement is absolutely miserable and worse than the traditional option in many settings where African-Americans have chosen to send their children. More teachers of color? Thirty years ago when I was on legislative staff, we set aside a fair chunk of change to recruit teachers of color. Very few takers. There is a massive teacher shortage, but no one is interested in the profession anymore. Pay isn't that great. You get yelled at by everyone. The test scores of your students are sliced and diced and if they are low, you get publicly pilloried. I don't think the teachers' unions are perfect by any means, but I don't see why they should be blamed for housing patterns, low family stability, and lack of economic opportunity.

[AerchAngel]

I work on education policy and there's no doubt that the quality of education in urban centers leaves much to be desired. That said, I don't see how anything Secretary DeVos will propose will likely change matters dramatically. Charters? We've seen a lot of self-segregation in Minnesota due to charters and achievement is absolutely miserable and worse than the traditional option in many settings where African-Americans have chosen to send their children. More teachers of color? Thirty years ago when I was on legislative staff, we set aside a fair chunk of change to recruit teachers of color. Very few takers. There is a massive teacher shortage, but no one is interested in the profession anymore. Pay isn't that great. You get yelled at by everyone. The test scores of your students are sliced and diced and if they are low, you get publicly pilloried. I don't think the teachers' unions are perfect by any means, but I don't see why they should be blamed for housing patterns, low family stability, and lack of economic opportunity.

You see what I've seen. But you are talking the Twin Cities and I have no doubt teachers with bad markings will be sent to schools with the majority being African Americans or Charter schools. Go ahead and research it. It might be hard, but having a mom that teach and her best friend is the principal, I get the scoop on how she and the board operates with the union pulling strings. It is what it is.

Go ahead and research, you will see I am telling the truth. Here in Wisconsin, Milwaukee and Madison does the same things, their charter schools receive the worse teachers based on merits.

What they should do is send the BEST teachers to those areas so education received is premium but then the elites Dems and Reps will cry about that and the teachers themselves.

We are boned no matter what.

Not many people like I can afford to send kids to private school like I have done and continue to do now. I pay for it yes, but I receive the best education in the state of Wisconsin and my eldest in Germany and she is in a great career field which she would not even bet looked at if she was in public German school unless she did an extra two years. Those with money overseas can receive a better education and better standing, which my ex and I took advantage of.

[AerchAngel]

I defer to you on perspectives relating to race, but I have to take issue with what I've bolded in one your posts above. Both sides manipulate through the use of various imagries and it was highly evident in the past election. If you don't think some of Trump's language was used to manipulate, you must have been asleep. Same thing goes for Walker in Wisconsin. Going way back, read McGinnis' The Selling of a President which outlined the 1968 election strategy used by Nixon. Before that conservatives were going around calling everyone a Communist.

How do Conservatives dictate what blacks do? Tell me? This should be interesting. Do you not see how Democrats purposely keep us down with their paternalistic attitude, do you see them preaching that black dads should bring up their kids, do you see them trying to keep them in schools, or better yet tell them to quit killing each other. Conservatives will not do anything because if they tried, they get shot down as in, you butt out of it. What single policy has the Conservatives done or for that matter any Democrat agency to help blacks in any way shape or form, from charities and what not. Good luck.

Democrats talk the talk but not walk the walk, especially Obama, they are freaking furious he leaves office and we are still or in worse shape than when he came in. Refute that.

[thethe]

I work on education policy and there's no doubt that the quality of education in urban centers leaves much to be desired. That said, I don't see how anything Secretary DeVos will propose will likely change matters dramatically. Charters? We've seen a lot of self-segregation in Minnesota due to charters and achievement is absolutely miserable and worse than the traditional option in many settings where African-Americans have chosen to send their children. More teachers of color? Thirty years ago when I was on legislative staff, we set aside a fair chunk of change to recruit teachers of color. Very few takers. There is a massive teacher shortage, but no one is interested in the profession anymore. Pay isn't that great. You get yelled at by everyone. The test scores of your students are sliced and diced and if they are low, you get publicly pilloried. I don't think the teachers' unions are perfect by any means, but I don't see why they should be blamed for housing patterns, low family stability, and lack of economic opportunity.

We need a President with guts to look into the face of Americans and say our education sucks because the parents suck. Education sucks because we live in a society where its wrong to discipline children. Education sucks because those who are most affected by it have no autonomy (teachers).

Those that are in the profession can probably add more but there are so many reasons why education sucks and sadly minorities are getting that brunt of that sucktitude.

[thethe]

How do Conservatives dictate what blacks do? Tell me? This should be interesting. Do you not see how Democrats purposely keep us down with their paternalistic attitude, do you see them preaching that black dads should bring up their kids, do you see them trying to keep them in schools, or better yet tell them to quit killing each other. Conservatives will not do anything because if they tried, they get shot down as in, you butt out of it. What single policy has the Conservatives done or for that matter any Democrat agency to help blacks in any way shape or form, from charities and what not. Good luck.

Democrats talk the talk but not walk the walk, especially Obama, they are freaking furious he leaves office and we are still or in worse shape than when he came in. Refute that.

Creating an environment of victim hood certainly isn't helping the black community and that is exactly what the left pushes.

[Krgrecw]

Creating an environment of victim hood certainly isn't helping the black community and that is exactly what the left pushes.


It's not only victimhood. Liberals treat blacks like they are mentally challenged adults or even babies. The white apologists or liberal blowhards think of every excuse for black failure and call out every excuse imaginable but never actually says it's the blacks fault and hold them accountable. Maybe it helps people like 57 sleep better at night

[mqt]

They should extended as much as child support but you know they can't because black fathers don't pay child support so they put that in there because some blacks can't get edumacated till they are 26 due to Democrat policies that makes it slow for them to get a proper education. Democrats send the worse teachers to the black neighborhood for this reason only by the union. YOu have no idea how bad the teachers records are for the poor areas where black is the majority. My mom call it the punish room for teachers. Where she is were the teachers that had bad marks get sent to Metro centers, the ones that have bad kids and the teachers don't bother since they have a black mark to really teach. They are just referees keeping the peace. YOu see Democrats don't want you so know or see that. If they can send bad teachers to bad schools and keep feeding my race bad education, you keep your votes and you keep us down. Hey, this is from the mouth of a teacher and her principal and best friend. They don't like it but they do what the union say.

Although I generally break with the left on the topic of unions and also wouldn't necessarily argue that the left has done a good job with fixing this issue, I don't see it as a left-driven problem. As Oklahoma noted, there's a shortage of teachers, and even if a strong union is keeping poor teachers employed, I don't think the educational environment is strong enough to bring in qualified applicants. I don't quite know what the answer is between additional subsidies and the free market (sturg batsignal) but I think both sides need to come together to address it, and think it's frankly absurd to blame the overall issue on the left or on unions.

[mqt]

We need a President with guts to look into the face of Americans and say our education sucks because the parents suck. Education sucks because we live in a society where its wrong to discipline children. Education sucks because those who are most affected by it have no autonomy (teachers).

Those that are in the profession can probably add more but there are so many reasons why education sucks and sadly minorities are getting that brunt of that sucktitude.

I disagree to an extent. You're not wrong that there are a lot of ****-awful parents out there contributing to problems in education, and that those ****ty parents range from the neglectful parents not taking responsibility for helping their kids to the overprotective not taking accountability for their kids' awfulness. However, I don't think you can place the blame on a parent when we don't provide current textbooks for entire districts, or when we hang on to teachers that have no business teaching children or cannot find new ones. As a society, we need to place a premium on the value of education, and take steps to make it a priority.

[mqt]

who left you of all people to be a spokesman for "the Black Race"

I still question whether you are in fact African-American -- you are so far out of touch with the reality of Black America.

Who the **** are you to question that? I disagree with AA on a variety of topics politically and socially, but I'd say that's a good thing with respect to race. One's identity need not be shaped by one's skin color. For someone putting Donald Trump on blast for his comments on Lewis this close to MLK day, I'd expect you to recognize that.

[mqt]

Obama, the black race thanks you for being the first black president.

BUT YOU DID NOT DO SCHIT FOR US. You rather help Muslims, gays, Hispanics and other people but not your own kind. We have even more problems since you came in office.

Go f*ck yourself in your self made glory as it is all about you and leave our race to the whites who aren't going to lift one pinky to help us.

I'm left with two distinct questions from this particular statement:

1) What is it that you feel Obama did to help Muslims, Hispanics and the LGBTQ community policy-wise that he should have been doing for the African American community? I've read and understand your position on how the left's views on race relations and how to move forward isn't the right course, but what exactly is it that Obama did for any of these groups that he could have done for black people?

2) Moving past policies, I'd argue that Obama was always rather consistent regarding his defense of the rights of African Americans, just as he was with those groups you singled out and with most Americans, honestly. He had candid discussions about the role of race in America and tried to be a voice for equality. Whether or not that is enough is obviously open for debate, but in that context I don't think he exactly attempted to leave out race in the national conversation.

[57Brave]

Who the **** are you to question that?.

I am suspicious of people on baseball message boards claiming to speak for a block of society when their individual writings have little in common with the majority of said block of society.

[thethe]

I am suspicious of people on baseball message boards claiming to speak for a block of society when their individual writings have little in common with the majority of said block of society.

So no irony in this post at all?

[mqt]

I am suspicious of people on baseball message boards claiming to speak for a block of society when their individual writings have little in common with the majority of said block of society.

Do you doubt that I am a white male from Pennsylvania? Because I sure as **** didn't vote for Donald Trump.

[57Brave]

Of course not, but never saw you make a point of your race and then pass yourself off as a spokesperson.
Where in Pa ?

[57Brave]

So no irony in this post at all?

I balk at being lumped into "the Left" for example. Have never written anything along the lines of " we of the left ... "

So no, I don't see the irony

[mqt]

Of course not, but never saw you make a point of your race and then pass yourself off as a spokesperson.
Where in Pa ?

Ultimately my problem with your argument is that you appear to be telling AA that in order to be a legitimate black voice that he must hold certain views.

Indiana, PA

[AerchAngel]

I'm left with two distinct questions from this particular statement:

1) What is it that you feel Obama did to help Muslims, Hispanics and the LGBTQ community policy-wise that he should have been doing for the African American community? I've read and understand your position on how the left's views on race relations and how to move forward isn't the right course, but what exactly is it that Obama did for any of these groups that he could have done for black people?

2) Moving past policies, I'd argue that Obama was always rather consistent regarding his defense of the rights of African Americans, just as he was with those groups you singled out and with most Americans, honestly. He had candid discussions about the role of race in America and tried to be a voice for equality. Whether or not that is enough is obviously open for debate, but in that context I don't think he exactly attempted to leave out race in the national conversation.

<sigh>

You don't get it. Well that is understandable, the media wants to keep blacks uninformed to real white Democrats. It has been that way for 50+ years.

[AerchAngel]

Although I generally break with the left on the topic of unions and also wouldn't necessarily argue that the left has done a good job with fixing this issue, I don't see it as a left-driven problem. As Oklahoma noted, there's a shortage of teachers, and even if a strong union is keeping poor teachers employed, I don't think the educational environment is strong enough to bring in qualified applicants. I don't quite know what the answer is between additional subsidies and the free market (sturg batsignal) but I think both sides need to come together to address it, and think it's frankly absurd to blame the overall issue on the left or on unions.

The union and can pick and choose where teachers go. Think about that while I wait, especially in bigger cities, politics in the union is not an unknown concept. If an exceptional teacher don't want to go the hood, they aren't going. Think about that.

[AerchAngel]

Ultimately my problem with your argument is that you appear to be telling AA that in order to be a legitimate black voice that he must hold certain views.

Indiana, PA


The master slave owner paternalistic approach. If I don't do as he say I am not a n***** and obedient to my white master.

[AerchAngel]

I am suspicious of people on baseball message boards claiming to speak for a block of society when their individual writings have little in common with the majority of said block of society.

Wrong again. Many blacks hate the gay culture, look up the Black Illinois Caucus. Most blacks are Christians and do not like the Democrat dogma, but free stuff is a helluva drug for compliance.

Many people know my color, many people know my resolve, not only this board and others I preach about blacks getting from under their slave master the Democrats as they do not want us to prosper but be their voting servants. Give us free things, like crack cocaine it is a drug of control. There are a lot of blacks are like me and we speak and Democrats hate us because we educate and tell them we do not need Democrats to be better than what they want us to be.

[AerchAngel]

I'm left with two distinct questions from this particular statement:

1) What is it that you feel Obama did to help Muslims, Hispanics and the LGBTQ community policy-wise that he should have been doing for the African American community? I've read and understand your position on how the left's views on race relations and how to move forward isn't the right course, but what exactly is it that Obama did for any of these groups that he could have done for black people?

2) Moving past policies, I'd argue that Obama was always rather consistent regarding his defense of the rights of African Americans, just as he was with those groups you singled out and with most Americans, honestly. He had candid discussions about the role of race in America and tried to be a voice for equality. Whether or not that is enough is obviously open for debate, but in that context I don't think he exactly attempted to leave out race in the national conversation.


I will get back to you on that. I have a member in the Black Caucus that can answer it better since he pissed them off the most. I will forward this to him.

[AerchAngel]

mqt

I apologize, I knw you want to do what is right. Let me give you this link on why blacks and the Black Caucus is mad at Obama and things have not gotten better but worse.

Here. (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/8-issues-obama-should-address-the)

This sums up the problem. When he said shut up and stop complaining is what did him in, but when the LGBT and Hispanics complained, or Muslims even, he ran to them and addressed their issues, but not anything for blacks, nothing, nada, not a damn thing.

[mqt]

The union and can pick and choose where teachers go. Think about that while I wait, especially in bigger cities, politics in the union is not an unknown concept. If an exceptional teacher don't want to go the hood, they aren't going. Think about that.

I am thinking about that, which is part of why I break with the party line on labor unions. However, I don't really think the left supports teachers unions due to their propensity for shifting teachers toward certain schools. The issue in this case is specifically with unions, not political ideology.

[mqt]

mqt

I apologize, I knw you want to do what is right. Let me give you this link on why blacks and the Black Caucus is mad at Obama and things have not gotten better but worse.

Here. (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/8-issues-obama-should-address-the)

This sums up the problem. When he said shut up and stop complaining is what did him in, but when the LGBT and Hispanics complained, or Muslims even, he ran to them and addressed their issues, but not anything for blacks, nothing, nada, not a damn thing.
Thank you for that article, it certainly helps bring some clarity to your argument. However, it seems like at least a few of those issues have been at least addressed by Obama, even if it wasn't at the level hoped for, and some of the asks are quite honestly impossible to ask a president with a congress willing to roadblock even the most essential Presidential duties such as filling the Supreme Court. Was he perfect? No, but I don't think he was a disaster on these topics either.

[AerchAngel]

I am thinking about that, which is part of why I break with the party line on labor unions. However, I don't really think the left supports teachers unions due to their propensity for shifting teachers toward certain schools. The issue in this case is specifically with unions, not political ideology.

hiring/firing process, bad teachers get sent to bad areas is what I am talking about. The unions in cities like Milwaukee, Twin cities, Chicago, this is what they do. The teachers have power, the union have power the boards of these schools don't.

How I know because being in Wisconsin, with lots of family in Minneapolis and Chicago, I hear things. Mom is retired but she is in Kentucky so there they only have certain course of actions with bad teachers and students.

50 knows the political landscape of where bad teachers go in the Twin Cities and he probably would tell you that teachers get reassigned "fired at their position" instead of putting them out on the streets. They end up at bad (ie troubled) schools.

[AerchAngel]

mqt you are right about he tried to do some things but not the things that will help my race, give us a kick start, if you will.

Education
Addressing black on black violence
Out of wedlock children

The top three things that bother us. Jobs are down on the list and by statistics the worse but you can't keep or have a decent job without education and then jump to out of wedlock children, if you are straddle with 4 or 5 kids with different dads, how can a woman take care of them without any support.

This is what I am addressing. The violence part is probably the hardest to do and Democrats really don't care unless you bring in 2nd Admendment, which to blacks is laughable because I can buy a gun in 5 minutes if I want to illegally by a simple phone call.

As for 57, he wants me to be a house-broken n****r and that is all he cares about. Me being told what to do, what to say, how to live as long at is under his rule.

I bet he couldn't code a simple calculator in 4 languages like I can, or create a simple chemical compound or better yet my son and daughter can do those things and they are only 6 and 8 years old, you know why, I teach them. I teach them don't believe in the government because they lie and want to tell you what to do and how you do it. Be good and obedient students and the teachers will tell us if you are bad and if you are you will be denied things like for the rest of the day if you act up.

It works.

[thethe]

Ultimately my problem with your argument is that you appear to be telling AA that in order to be a legitimate black voice that he must hold certain views.

Indiana, PA

He doesn't see it. And if you are to suggest that there may in fact be African Americans who do not buy into the liberal ideology then you are charged with being racist and not understanding black people.

[mqt]

mqt you are right about he tried to do some things but not the things that will help my race, give us a kick start, if you will.

Education
Addressing black on black violence
Out of wedlock children

The top three things that bother us. Jobs are down on the list and by statistics the worse but you can't keep or have a decent job without education and then jump to out of wedlock children, if you are straddle with 4 or 5 kids with different dads, how can a woman take care of them without any support.

This is what I am addressing. The violence part is probably the hardest to do and Democrats really don't care unless you bring in 2nd Admendment, which to blacks is laughable because I can buy a gun in 5 minutes if I want to illegally by a simple phone call.

As for 57, he wants me to be a house-broken n****r and that is all he cares about. Me being told what to do, what to say, how to live as long at is under his rule.

I bet he couldn't code a simple calculator in 4 languages like I can, or create a simple chemical compound or better yet my son and daughter can do those things and they are only 6 and 8 years old, you know why, I teach them. I teach them don't believe in the government because they lie and want to tell you what to do and how you do it. Be good and obedient students and the teachers will tell us if you are bad and if you are you will be denied things like for the rest of the day if you act up.

It works.

Is it fair to ask if Obama was being held to a higher level of scrutiny regarding these issues due to his race? I'd agree with you that he did not do much to deal with those issues, but that puts him in the company of every President we've ever had. I will concede that we've never had a conversation about your thoughts on any other President so I don't have an answer to whether or not you feel any differently about Obama in that regard.

The other question I would have is what the President's role should be in preventing out of wedlock children or reducing violence in inner cities. These seem like more far-reaching issues than one man, even the most powerful one in the world, can realistically tackle. I'm not saying you're wrong about whether or not he did enough, but I think the change needs to come from everyone involved, and I don't think the right has any better answer at this point.

[AerchAngel]

Is it fair to ask if Obama was being held to a higher level of scrutiny regarding these issues due to his race? I'd agree with you that he did not do much to deal with those issues, but that puts him in the company of every President we've ever had. I will concede that we've never had a conversation about your thoughts on any other President so I don't have an answer to whether or not you feel any differently about Obama in that regard.

The other question I would have is what the President's role should be in preventing out of wedlock children or reducing violence in inner cities. These seem like more far-reaching issues than one man, even the most powerful one in the world, can realistically tackle. I'm not saying you're wrong about whether or not he did enough, but I think the change needs to come from everyone involved, and I don't think the right has any better answer at this point.

Fair enough, good questions.

he is the first black president and probably the last unless it is a Republican, like C. Rice. who would win. But I don't think she would do it. Colin Powell is too old or want to, two people black people respect and those would would buck the trend.
Those two would try to address our issues because they know Democrats want to control that segment of vote.

Obama failed us/them when he promised to address the issues about education and sending people to mentor females about having children with males that don't want to be around. It is an outreach program that he refused to fund. When the gay marriage vote came to the Black Caucus of Illinois, he promise he would address that for their signing which they still refused and reluctantly they did under another agreement and he reneg on his promise. They still wanted him as president as they did not want shame on the only black president in the United States. Please go to black only sites and their disagreements with Obama, there are too many for me to mention and this was one of them. My pastor growing up is part of the Caucus and he gives me any information on what they deal with on a constant basis. Put it this way he is not an Obama person nor a Trump person, like he, we want our own party that is not beholden to the Democrats and no influence from the Republicans. We just don't have the money to venture out on our own. This is why I never got into politics. I am not of any party and want my or I should say our own race party that could make a difference and not be slaves to the Democrats or a pawn to Republicans.

[AerchAngel]

I am only on this site for Braves games and input since the day I met Hank Aaron and others back in 12972. He is a baseball god to me. Plus I use my skills to keep fans happy and interested, politically, I don't like a few people because they want me to be a slave to their ideology. I never claim to be of any political affiliation and I only fight for black rights. I have yet to meet a Republican to deny me that right, but the Left/Democrats have a problem with me.

Just think about that for a moment. Why them? Why chastise me? Republicans would leave us alone and to our own devices and never telling us what to do, what to say, how to feel. Unless I missed a post or article telling us what to do, then I believe that is how they feel. Independence is bliss. I can be what I want to be and I have, with no help at all, two loving parents, 50 years of marriage. My siblings are doing great and we are all Independents unlike our parents. We just don't listen to what they say of voting and what is right in wrong in their eyes as they were brainwashed to voting one way. Do it upset them if we don't Democrat, of course, but until they give us a good enough reason to, we will, until then, we vote the heck the way we want. Give you a hint, not Republican either.

[57Brave]

Ultimately my problem with your argument is that you appear to be telling AA that in order to be a legitimate black voice that he must hold certain views.

Indiana, PA

I just find those views on the state of Black America and the reasons for that state nonsense and out of touch.
Pointing out his race does not make those views reality or give reason to be taken for granted.

Based on "I am Black so ..."
?

My cousin graduated with a business degree from Indiana

[mqt]

I just find those views on the state of Black America and the reasons for that state nonsense and out of touch.
Pointing out his race does not make those views reality or give reason to be taken for granted.

Based on "I am Black so ..."
?

My cousin graduated with a business degree from Indiana

Look, I am on your side regarding Obama, but surely you can see the difference between thinking AA is wrong about his political views and claiming he cannot be black because of those views.

[57Brave]

I have no earthly idea what color AA is.
Seems rather sensitive to being challenged on it though
..........................................

Watching Obama leave office I thought his defining moment was when Joe ... from SC yelled "you lie"
Obama -- like John Lewis this weekend
didn't take the bait

[cajunrevenge]

I know the most important thing I look for in a candidate is how PC they speak. I am more than willing to put up with horrible economic, domestic, and foreign policy so long as the President doesn't offend anyone.



I would vote for a KKK grand wizard if they had good policy and adhered to the constitution. I need my basic human rights not to hear a president kiss people's asses.

[50PoundHead]

You see what I've seen. But you are talking the Twin Cities and I have no doubt teachers with bad markings will be sent to schools with the majority being African Americans or Charter schools. Go ahead and research it. It might be hard, but having a mom that teach and her best friend is the principal, I get the scoop on how she and the board operates with the union pulling strings. It is what it is.

Go ahead and research, you will see I am telling the truth. Here in Wisconsin, Milwaukee and Madison does the same things, their charter schools receive the worse teachers based on merits.

What they should do is send the BEST teachers to those areas so education received is premium but then the elites Dems and Reps will cry about that and the teachers themselves.

We are boned no matter what.

Not many people like I can afford to send kids to private school like I have done and continue to do now. I pay for it yes, but I receive the best education in the state of Wisconsin and my eldest in Germany and she is in a great career field which she would not even bet looked at if she was in public German school unless she did an extra two years. Those with money overseas can receive a better education and better standing, which my ex and I took advantage of.

(1) Every school in Minneapolis except the ones in the Southwest high school attendance area and the elementary and junior highs in that feed Southwest have a majority of students of color.

(2) The charters hire their own teachers and they are not under the direct control of the Minneapolis school district. Granted, Chicago may be a whole different story and I have no idea what is happening there.

(3) Obama established the My Brother's Keeper program and was immediately called an Uncle Tom by many in the African-American community. He has talked about family structure, but again, was branded an Uncle Tom when he did so.

(4) I think conservatives dictate a lot of what blacks can do by proposing to gut programs aimed to help those in the inner city. The country's urban policy agenda began to be gutted by Reagan and it really hasn't stopped since. Obama held service, but economic development in urban centers is now largely confined to the construction of entertainment facilities and housing high-end white collar work. Retail in downtown areas is dying as witnessed by the closure of the downtown Minneapolis Macy's. And it's not just here. Money has moved to the suburbs and exurbs and the kinds of jobs that young people of all races could get with little training are now located there (as witnessed by the new Amazon distribution center and Shutterfly operation in Shakopee--25 miles SW of the urban core). Again, read Bill Bishop's The Big Sort. It's all outlined there.

(5) I doubt you've ever been manipulated, but I see countless minority families convinced of education options that are not particularly good by conservative education reform advocates.

[AerchAngel]

(1) Every school in Minneapolis except the ones in the Southwest high school attendance area and the elementary and junior highs in that feed Southwest have a majority of students of color.

(2) The charters hire their own teachers and they are not under the direct control of the Minneapolis school district. Granted, Chicago may be a whole different story and I have no idea what is happening there.

(3) Obama established the My Brother's Keeper program and was immediately called an Uncle Tom by many in the African-American community. He has talked about family structure, but again, was branded an Uncle Tom when he did so.

(4) I think conservatives dictate a lot of what blacks can do by proposing to gut programs aimed to help those in the inner city. The country's urban policy agenda began to be gutted by Reagan and it really hasn't stopped since. Obama held service, but economic development in urban centers is now largely confined to the construction of entertainment facilities and housing high-end white collar work. Retail in downtown areas is dying as witnessed by the closure of the downtown Minneapolis Macy's. And it's not just here. Money has moved to the suburbs and exurbs and the kinds of jobs that young people of all races could get with little training are now located there (as witnessed by the new Amazon distribution center and Shutterfly operation in Shakopee--25 miles SW of the urban core). Again, read Bill Bishop's The Big Sort. It's all outlined there.

(5) I doubt you've ever been manipulated, but I see countless minority families convinced of education options that are not particularly good by conservative education reform advocates.

Thanks.

Why would they call him Uncle Tom for trying to help?

Oh, I do work with the Minneapolis/St Paul school districts directly along with the Wisconsin schools and both state's Correctional Facilities. I know a lot of them by a first name basis. We aren't allow to talk about the political nature of any of those facilities.

I have family in Blaine, St Paul and Andover and then some near St Francis and Jordan. None in Minneapolis.

[50PoundHead]

Thanks.

Why would they call him Uncle Tom for trying to help?

Oh, I do work with the Minneapolis/St Paul school districts directly along with the Wisconsin schools and both state's Correctional Facilities. I know a lot of them by a first name basis. We aren't allow to talk about the political nature of any of those facilities.

I have family in Blaine, St Paul and Andover and then some near St Francis and Jordan. None in Minneapolis.

You've got me. I was frankly a little shocked, but not being African-American, I'm an outsider in that debate.

[AerchAngel]

You've got me. I was frankly a little shocked, but not being African-American, I'm an outsider in that debate.

I get called Uncle Tom a lot, or Carlton Banks, or Roland Martin. None of it bothers me to be honest. I just think of it this way, trying to enlighten people like the President tried to do and that this the thanks he and we do receive...none. I and a lot others are still disappointed that he did not put much effort (token I feel) like he did other segments of society and I consider myself and race important. It has been 50+ years and still we are not were we supposed to be compared to our white counterparts and I thought out first black president can somewhat do something to close the gap. This is where we are disappointed.

You are correct about urban centers closing that employed blacks, I am thankful my uncles, none more than a 6th grade education were lucky enough to retire wtih a pension working in a factory for 40 years. You cannot obtain a decent job without education and a lot of black kids aren't getting it or want it to be honest. They rather going down the other two wrong roads, welfare or drug dealing. This is where I think he failed the most and the middle men are not helping either as they are looking at their checkbook or obtaining power. People like me could make a difference but we are shut out because we don't have that street cred or act black enough.

[cajunrevenge]

Let me take the time to thank Obama for making history. He is the first nobel peace prize winner to bomb another nobel peace prize winner.

[gilesfan]

I don't think I will forget any of the presidents in my lifetime.

[Oklahomahawk]

I don't think I will forget any of the presidents in my lifetime.

Have you tried drinking heavily? ;)

[sturg33]

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[thethe]

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But unemployment is down!!!!!