Sunday braves at phillies

[bravesfanforlife88]

Phillips batting 2nd

[cajunrevenge]

Actually getting to watch todays game. Lets piss off Enscheff by winning some games!

[Garmel]

Folty looked dominant in the 1st.

[nsacpi]

Expecting a yuge game from Kemp.

[The Chosen One]

Folty is more efficient than Julio with his pitch count.

Through 2 innings Julio already around 35-40 pitches.

[nsacpi]

Folty is more efficient than Julio with his pitch count.

Through 2 innings Julio already around 35-40 pitches.

this kind of anti-Julion posting belongs in the neo-surrealism department

[sturg33]

Folty is more efficient than Julio with his pitch count.

Through 2 innings Julio already around 35-40 pitches.

Julio is effective but can be tough to watch

[The Chosen One]

this kind of anti-Julion posting belongs in the neo-surrealism department

I was considering making two different gamethreads for each section so our members whom are tired of the other side can have a place to discuss the game with like minded thinkers. Then everyone's happy in their echo chamber.

[msstate7]

The phillies seem to be in much better shape with their starting pitching for the next few years than us.

[The Chosen One]

The phillies seem to be in much better shape with their starting pitching for the next few years than us.

Dont worry, we'll still be experimenting with Wisler at AAA and MLB until his last year of arbitration eligibility.

[msstate7]

KEMvP gonna get a gold glove this year

[cajunrevenge]

I wouldnt mind two game threads. One for people rooting for the Braves to win and one rooting for them to lose for draft picks.

[The Chosen One]

Folty at 43 pitches through 3 innings.

Using Julion Converter that's 65 pitches through 3 innings.

[msstate7]

Come on kemp... dang dude, hit that

[bravesfanforlife88]

Folty has shown flashes of his potential so far. Hopefully he can put it all together

[Julio3000]

this kind of anti-Julion posting belongs in the neo-surrealism department

For real, sir.

[TheBravos]

I mean if Folty puts it together...he's an ace. He has the stuff to shut down anyone.

[msstate7]

I mean if Folty puts it together...he's an ace. He has the stuff to shut down anyone.

Maybe Lamaze classes were the key

[TheBravos]

If he actually makes his potential and Julio can be our solid #2, that makes putting our staff together so much easier. We know we have #3-#5 type pitchers on the very low end "worst case possible" in the minors.

[msstate7]

Maybe FF can't hit with runners on

[Julio3000]

I do like that changeup.

[bravesfanforlife88]

Wow we have not scored a run while Folty has been on the mound this year...that is insane

[TURBO]

Damn

[sturg33]

Folty looking nasty

[jpack1]

The stuff is filthy. True TOR stuff. If he can just continue harnessing it.

[cajunrevenge]

Maybe FF can't hit with runners on

Coming into the game Freddie is hitting .286/.474/.571 with men on base this year. Last 3 years with men on base Freddie is hitting .319/.429/.544 with men on base in a sample size of 700 at bats.

[TheBravos]

Ut-oh....Folty is making them look silly and barely using the fastball. They just keep waiting on the fastball and keep whiffing lol. I bet when he does pop one, it'll look 105 to them.

[bravesfanMatt]

Does folty have a change up in his arsenal. I can't seem to remember him throwing it. I am ata gym for showouts for cheer competition. So can't really research that. Any help would be fantastic. I think folty and a good change would be lethal.

[bravesfanforlife88]

Kemp breaking out the boomstick!

[bravesfanforlife88]

Does folty have a change up in his arsenal. I can't seem to remember him throwing it. I am ata gym for showouts for cheer competition. So can't really research that. Any help would be fantastic. I think folty and a good change would be lethal.

I think it is new but his change up is disgusting!

[Garmel]

Man, I hope this a sign that Kemp is getting into a groove again.

[msstate7]

Coming into the game Freddie is hitting .286/.474/.571 with men on base this year. Last 3 years with men on base Freddie is hitting .319/.429/.544 with men on base in a sample size of 700 at bats.

0-2 today... recent sample is most reliable.

[bravesfanMatt]

I think it is new but his change up is disgusting!

I thought about that after his last start. A change would put the smallest doubt in a hitter. Enough so that the fastball would be that much faster. Thanks for the response.

[cajunrevenge]

0-2 today... recent sample is most reliable.


Kemp is 1-1 with a homer in the recent sample of his last at bat.

[msstate7]

Kemp is 1-1 with a homer in the recent sample of his last at bat.
There's a reason he's getting his name legally changed to KEMvP

[cajunrevenge]

2-3-4 hitters right now.


Phillips .348/.384/.507
Freeman .381/.487/.810
MVkemP .313/.333/.719


Nice to have that kind of power from the 3/4 spots.

[cajunrevenge]

I cant tell if Folty is pitching well today. Could someone add up his WAR from this game and let me know.

[msstate7]

2-3-4 hitters right now.


Phillips .348/.384/.507
Freeman .381/.487/.810
MVkemP .313/.333/.719


Nice to have that kind of power from the 3/4 spots.

Put markakis ahead of Phillips and we have a nice top of the lineup

[msstate7]

What a nice play

[msstate7]

I'm nervous

[Garmel]

I've never seen Folty being able to locate his off-speed pitches like he's doing today.

[msstate7]

So predictable...

[msstate7]

Knew it... folty always finds a way to screw up

[Julio3000]

As long as Folty doesn't implode here, this is a huge positive. He was commanding everything for 6 innings.

[UNCBlue012]

My Lord this team hates winning games.

[USMA76]

Knew it... folty always finds a way to screw up

...and now we can watch as his mental wheels fall off.

[bravesfanMatt]

What a nice play

A RF with an arm would help.

[cajunrevenge]

Well thats gonna hurt his WAR.

[msstate7]

Great rebound, folty...

[UNCBlue012]

Still, damn good game for Folty. Man.

[Julio3000]

Nice job getting the gb. I thought it was all going to **** when he missed those first two fastballs after giving up the hit.

[msstate7]

Swanson
Boni
Inciarte

Please get someone on to get it to Phillips

[bravesfanMatt]

That is it for folty I am sure. Win or lose. This was a good game. Hopefully he builds on this.

[msstate7]

That is it for folty I am sure. Win or lose. This was a good game. Hopefully he builds on this.

2 in a row, right?

[Oklahomabrave]

That was a fantastic game by Folty. The mental knocks are a little outdated, he's grown a lot. He even induced a DP instead of trying to overpower them after a few weak lucky hits.

[msstate7]

Swanson looking much better

[Julio3000]

The Bonifacio bunt thing...

[jpack1]

Using Bona to pitch bunt. Brilliant

[sturg33]

Who is to blame for boni?

Coppy for rostering him or Snit for using him

[USMA76]

Using Bona to pitch bunt. Brilliant

Snit gonna Snit...

[TheBravos]

Only bad thing is that they should have began mixing the fastball back in (that's on Suzuki). They came up looking for off speed in the 7th...literally sitting on one pitch. Two of those hits were pretty great...not even strikes.

[WaitingFor2017]

I just love using our most valuable pinch runner and one of our few bench guys to bunt in a tie game that could easily go to extras....Oh, and it's something that Folty or even Julio could've come in to PH and do...

I guess there's part of a reason of why Snitker has an under .500 record as a manager in the minor leagues.

[msstate7]

Inciarte isn't good right now... please drop him and put markakis at leadoff

[cajunrevenge]

So have we officially turned on Snitker and declared him the worst manager ever?

[cajunrevenge]

Inciarte isn't good right now... please drop him and put markakis at leadoff


Didn't you get the memo? Leadoff hitters have to be fast. It's more important than silly things like getting on base. Don't want a slow poke like Markakis clogging up the bases.

[msstate7]

So have we officially turned on Snitker and declared him the worst manager ever?

Only if he runs krol out there for the 8th

[bravesfanMatt]

So have we officially turned on Snitker and declared him the worst manager ever?

Never a fan of him so I haven't turned on him.

[msstate7]

Losers lose... God, please let me wake up no longer a fan of the braves

[WaitingFor2017]

So have we officially turned on Snitker and declared him the worst manager ever?

I was never for him honestly, so of course I am using anything stupid he does against him. I was for a fresh mind who was into Sabermetrics..... unfortunately, if things turn, it looks like Ron Washington would be our manager -- another old guy who manages like it's the 1980s or 1990s.

[cajunrevenge]

Wow braves bench 2 for 26. People can **** on the team as a while but the ****ty bench and back end of the pen is what will cost us the season. There is no excuse for this ****ty bench.

[msstate7]

Viz is so overrated

[UNCBlue012]

And game over. Tell me I'm wrong, but I've never seen a team with as little edge as this one. They're so insanely dumb when it matters the most.

[msstate7]

Viz needs a trip to Gwinnett

[cajunrevenge]

I was never for him honestly, so of course I am using anything stupid he does against him. I was for a fresh mind who was into Sabermetrics..... unfortunately, if things turn, it looks like Ron Washington would be our manager -- another old guy who manages like it's the 1980s or 1990s.


I have given up on getting a manger that will manage the way I want. It's just never going to happen.

[WaitingFor2017]

Really, Snitker? Vizcaino blew it, but leave his ass in there to finish the inning no matter how long it takes. No reason to burn another arm in this loss.

[sturg33]

Snit would have blunted Hernandez if he was the Phillies coach.

Snit is a lame duck

[The Chosen One]

Snitker loves that bullpen call.

[UNCBlue012]

I liked the idea of giving him a chance, but I think it might be time for a complete managerial change. Nothing has changed with this team or it's major league direction.

[msstate7]

Really, Snitker? Vizcaino blew it, but leave his ass in there to finish the inning no matter how long it takes. No reason to burn another arm in this loss.

It's krol.... not like I want us giving krol work in a winnable game and this game is officially unwinnable

[bravesfanMatt]

this team is in a funk where one person will just plain suck enough to cost the game.

[cajunrevenge]

I liked the idea of giving him a chance, but I think it might be time for a complete managerial change. Nothing has changed with this team or it's major league direction.


Your just going to hate the next guy too. What's the point of playing musical chairs with the job if you continually vet the same manager.

[sturg33]

Are we all enjoying the magical year of 2017?

[WaitingFor2017]

Have you guys noticed that the Fox Sports Go promo that runs 28 times a game has Freddie homering in Boston? The promo has Chip and Joe hooting and hollering like the home run meant something at Fenway. You then look at the score, and it was 8-3 Red Sox. The Braves can't even get a winning moment in their own Fox Sports Go ad.

[msstate7]

Snit is a garbage manager, but not sure how you pin this loss on him. Our offense is terrible when a game is tied or can be tied... we score ok until a game tying runner gets on or something. We gave folty a lead, he promptly gave it away. We had a runner in scoring position with top of the lineup up and a tee ball roller to 1b and a k. Viz is supposed to be one of our guys and he's suddenly a gas can in contested games. This team is just trash.

/rant

[Garmel]

This team's hirings have been the problem. We went with the emotional decision to keep Snitker who doesn't understand the modern game and why in the world did we pick Chuck Hernandez as our pitching coach?

[WaitingFor2017]

Your just going to hate the next guy too. What's the point of playing musical chairs with the job if you continually vet the same manager.

One of the problems with this franchise is that they are looking for the next Bobby. There is never going to be another Bobby, and we need to stop with Bobby's guys or guys who have been with the franchise for years.

"The Braves' Way" needs a new direction for statistics. Even Ron Washington was quoted a few years ago as saying you could take analytics and shove it up your bleepity bleep. I truly hope he isn't next in line.

"Washington acknowledged that he “never paid attention” to WAR and said that he still favors his eyes and instincts when making out lineups and determining playing time.
“I do pay attention to sabermetrics, but sabermetrics don’t have anything to do with humans playing a game,” Washington said. “I look at a lot of numbers and sometimes they come into play, sometimes they don’t. But I’ve always trusted my guts. I was an instinctive player and a coach and I’m an instinctive manager.”

[The Chosen One]

Blame this on the Braves again.

We were closer the last two days to winning with the roadgray uniforms versus destroyed with the crappy Navy unis. You'd think the front office would learn.

[chop2chip]

2018!

[msstate7]

Time for a 3-spot now

[msstate7]

Even snit can't mess up KEMvP though

[cajunrevenge]

One of the problems with this franchise is that they are looking for the next Bobby. There is never going to be another Bobby, and we need to stop with Bobby's guys or guys who have been with the franchise for years.

"The Braves' Way" needs a new direction for statistics. Even Ron Washington was quoted a few years ago as saying you could take analytics and shove it up your bleepity bleep. I truly hope he isn't next in line.

"Washington acknowledged that he “never paid attention” to WAR and said that he still favors his eyes and instincts when making out lineups and determining playing time.
“I do pay attention to sabermetrics, but sabermetrics don’t have anything to do with humans playing a game,” Washington said. “I look at a lot of numbers and sometimes they come into play, sometimes they don’t. But I’ve always trusted my guts. I was an instinctive player and a coach and I’m an instinctive manager.”


Even Bobby was a terrible in game manager. I remember people couldn't wait for him to go. I knew we would get a long string of terrible managers after him. It's a problem just about every team has. They almost all favor traditional head up their ass managers.

[The Chosen One]

Even if Coppy wants to rid of traditional style manager, he has two heads above his that want to go to Braves way.

[msstate7]

Good AB, Adonis

[TheBravos]

2018!

...2019.....Folty deserved better. You can't fault a guy that has one run scored in three of his starts. He gave up two runs last start and one run this one.

[msstate7]

Jace slow grounder to 1b
Swanson fly ball to warning track with chip almost in stroke mode

[The Chosen One]

Fredi > Snitker

[The Chosen One]

Jace slow grounder to 1b
Swanson fly ball to warning track with chip almost in stroke mode

Swanson's warning track is about where Simmons hit the infield fly.

[WaitingFor2017]

Fredi > Snitker

I'd go with that at this point. Fredi had a brutal schedule to deal with in those first 37 games before his firing last year.

There is no reason for this team to go 0-6 in Pennsylvania this first month

[The Chosen One]

lol Swanson.

[msstate7]

And damn, we used boni already

[The Chosen One]

There's Swanson's warning track power. Little Leaguer just can't hit the ball deep.

[TheBravos]

They gave Sniker a one year deal right? They knew he was a place holder and I think it was a "thank you for all the years of service" type hire. If they play like they probably will...his contract won't be renewed and he'll take a position in the orginazation.

Most likely there was no one that they interviewed that hit a home run. Sniker is a place holder...just like half of the other players.

[The Chosen One]

LMAO.

I don't even care to watch snitker pressers. They weren't as entertaining as Fredi's.

[msstate7]

I need a break from this team. So frustrating... phillies look to be contenders before we will be

[sturg33]

On pace for 54

The magical 2017 continues

[The Chosen One]

They gave Sniker a one year deal right? They knew he was a place holder and I think it was a "thank you for all the years of service" type hire. If they play like they probably will...his contract won't be renewed and he'll take a position in the orginazation.

Most likely there was no one that they interviewed that hit a home run. Sniker is a place holder...just like half of the other players.

Scary thing is they interviewed TP, Eddie, and Wash and they still brought back Snit. And one of those three is likely in line to replace Snit whether he gets canned or not renewed.

[cajunrevenge]

They gave Sniker a one year deal right? They knew he was a place holder and I think it was a "thank you for all the years of service" type hire. If they play like they probably will...his contract won't be renewed and he'll take a position in the orginazation.

Most likely there was no one that they interviewed that hit a home run. Sniker is a place holder...just like half of the other players.


I would love to find out what a mlb manager interview is actually like. This is how I imagine it goes...


Braves - "who should hit leadoff?"


Manager "The fastest player"


Braves - "but what if he has a ****ty obp"


Manager "obp? What's that?"


Braves -"your hired"

[The Chosen One]

I would love to find out what a mlb manager interview is actually like. This is how I imagine it goes...


Braves - "who should hit leadoff?"


Manager "The fastest player"


Braves - "but what if he has a ****ty obp"


Manager "obp? What's that?"


Braves -"your hired"

Braves - Who should hit second?

Snit - "Dansby"

Braves - Why?

Snit - "The shortstop if he's not leading off".

Braves - "We're done here"

[chop2chip]

*starts reading 2018 draft primers*

[WaitingFor2017]

6-12 record losing 6 straight....and 7 of the next 10 games are against the Mets and their great pitching.

In the next 10 games, Atlanta will see the following pitchers:
Syndergaard twice
Harvey twice
deGrom
Wheeler
Jimmy Nelson

You can then extend the schedule to 3 games at home against the Cardinals where they will face:
Wacha
Martinez
Wainwright

It's a distinct possibility that this team could be 8-23 or so after these next 13 games.

[msstate7]

@jaysonst
The Braves were one game out of first Monday. Then 2 Tuesday, 3 Wednesday, 4 Thursday, 5 Friday, 6 Saturday. Could be 7 tonight if Nats win!

[The Chosen One]

6-12 record losing 6 straight....and 7 of the next 10 games are against the Mets and their great pitching.

In the next 10 games, Atlanta will see the following pitchers:
Syndergaard twice
Harvey twice
deGrom
Wheeler
Jimmy Nelson

You can then extend the schedule to 3 games at home against the Cardinals where they will face:
Wacha
Martinez
Wainwright

It's a distinct possibility that this team could be 8-23 or so after these next 13 games.

Whoa we're going back to citifield again already? Twice in a month?

[thewupk]

Any generational talent next year?

[msstate7]

When is maitan expected to debut this year? I need something to look forward to

[The Chosen One]

Still pissed that we should have easily sealed the #1 pick last year.

[msstate7]

What's sad is there 2 positional players (Albies, demeritte) in our upper farm system to be excited about and both play 2b.

[The Chosen One]

What's sad is there 2 positional players (Albies, demeritte) in our upper farm system to be excited about and both play 2b.

The way things are looking I'm cool with Albies playing short and Dem playing 2B.

Dansby can have time to write another letter to Braves fans in the players tribune. This time apologizing for sucking.

[TheBravos]

Scary thing is they interviewed TP, Eddie, and Wash and they still brought back Snit. And one of those three is likely in line to replace Snit whether he gets canned or not renewed.

As long as the John's and Bobby are around...you are sadly correct.

Funny fact, if this was a normal veteran team...pitchforks would be out and everyone would be chanting "Rebuild!!!!!". For some reason, that isn't the case with this team. I.Dont't.Understand. It doesn't matter how much talent you have in the lower levels. You blow up a bad team and get what you can as you keep the building blocks. Why? Because a loosing team has no value. That way you have even MORE talent for the future.

[sturg33]

When is maitan expected to debut this year? I need something to look forward to

We probably should pull him up to get jersey sales and build late season momentum for the magical 2018

[msstate7]

We probably should pull him up to get jersey sales and build late season momentum for the magical 2018

Can he leadoff?

[Dalyn]

LMAO.

I don't even care to watch snitker pressers. They weren't as entertaining as Fredi's.

I'm not saying where I heard it, but there are reports that Snitker and Fredi are lovers and that there is a lot of pillow-talk managing coming from the wrong side of the bed.

[Dalyn]

Are we all enjoying the magical year of 2017?

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FgBKH3cj.gif&key=wp-8iUniqqtM7RBCDuyjQw

[The Chosen One]

Snit has a Bonerfacio for Emilio.

[cajunrevenge]

I like Bonifacio as the last guy on the bench who can play most positions so we can carry other bench players who are less versatile and as a pinch runner.

[weso1]

I like Bonifacio as the last guy on the bench who can play most positions so we can carry other bench players who are less versatile and as a pinch runner.

I agree if you're talking about Gwinnett.

[Julio3000]

I agree if you're talking about Gwinnett.

^this^

[cajunrevenge]

The thing about bench players is that they generally arent very good or they would be starting somewhere. You are generally going to get very flawed players. Like a power hitter that can barely make contact or a contact hitter that hits for no power.

[nsacpi]

I like Bonifacio as the last guy on the bench who can play most positions so we can carry other bench players who are less versatile and as a pinch runner.

yup...the issue is having 3 players like that...jace and chase being the other two...a well constructed bench would have jace plus two bats--one lefty and one rightt

[CyYoung31]

The thing about bench players is that they generally arent very good or they would be starting somewhere. You are generally going to get very flawed players. Like a power hitter that can barely make contact or a contact hitter that hits for no power.

There's flawed and then there's useless.

[The Chosen One]

Can you guys stop criticizing the front office's personnel decisions please. It's not an easy job.

[NinersSBChamps]

Viz needs a trip to Gwinnett

Might need to send some of those kids down another level to make room for the amount of major leaguers that should be playing there. Probably 6 on the current roster should be sent down.

[cajunrevenge]

There's flawed and then there's useless.

position versatility and speed are not useless. He is just useless with a bat in his hands.

[TheBravos]

Why couldn't we just sign Kelly Johnson and trade him to the Mets at the deadline like usual??

[Russ2dollas]

position versatility and speed are not useless. He is just useless with a bat in his hands.

What can bonifacio do that comargo and lein couldn't do better and cheaper?

[sturg33]

Braves - Who should hit second?

Snit - "Dansby"

Braves - Why?

Snit - "The shortstop if he's not leading off".

Braves - "We're done here"

Bud Black off to a nice start with Colorado

[Braves1976]

yup...the issue is having 3 players like that...jace and chase being the other two...a well constructed bench would have jace plus two bats--one lefty and one rightt

It's also an issue that Boni has never hit from the left side well and what do we see? Boni PH from the left side 95% of the time! Even in games you should be pinch running and either stealing and/or bunting to tie it.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Missed the game today. Looks like the Braves are putting the "bull" in bullpen again.

[Braves1976]

Bud Black off to a nice start with Colorado

Yep, we should've hired him but instead we act like the new Arizona and go with someone that has a losing minor league record.

[bravesguy]

It is not exactly his fault. The offense is pathetic right now.

Ender - .208
Dansby - .139
Garcia - .194
Suzuki - .160
Peterson (while Kemp out) - .192

How do you expect to win like that?

[auyushu]

It is not exactly his fault. The offense is pathetic right now.

Ender - .208
Dansby - .139
Garcia - .194
Suzuki - .160
Peterson (while Kemp out) - .192

How do you expect to win like that?

Perhaps by not sticking those guys in the #1 and #2 spots of the order right in front of your best hitters. Might be a good start.

[Oklahomabrave]

I really don't think it's too bad for the rebuild to get another top 5 pick. We will be so loaded with talent in the minors and flush with cash we can have a legit FA signing, a big trade, and further development of our young guys that next year our window will open up. 2018 was always way more realistic than 2017, and us playing like crap does nothing to deter me from thinking that.

I'm mainly pleased because of Folty's game. His development is way more important than the result of this season. Inciarte will be his normal 3-3.5 win self by the end of the year and Swanson will end up decent at worst.

[bravesguy]

Perhaps by not sticking those guys in the #1 and #2 spots of the order right in front of your best hitters. Might be a good start.

I don't know good start, but I always thought Phillips should be the #2 guy. He has not hit there in his career much, but he has the right approach and past success to hopefully not put too much pressure on himself. 1 game worked well.

We will still see about Ender...he seems to be mirroring last April.

[bravesguy]

I'm mainly pleased because of Folty's game. His development is way more important than the result of this season. ...

Folty has looked really good the last 2 starts. If that is becoming his norm, then we have a TOR on our hands. If by mid-season we feel like we have 2 TOR (Folty and Julio), we are going to be in pretty good shape leading to the trade deadline.

[sturg33]

It is not exactly his fault. The offense is pathetic right now.

Ender - .208
Dansby - .139
Garcia - .194
Suzuki - .160
Peterson (while Kemp out) - .192

How do you expect to win like that?

I would have used our great trade assets and high picks to acquire a few more position players

[sturg33]

Yes - I'm a believer in Folty

[Tapate50]

Folty was nasty today. His secondary pitches were money.

Guy has really looked pretty good this season.

[thewupk]

Folty with a 2.55 ERA and 3.13 FIP as a starter this year

[Enscheff]

Folty with a 2.55 ERA and 3.13 FIP as a starter this year

He is one of the most important parts of this season.

If Folty makes significant strides towards becoming a TOR starter (I still predict he is the true "Ace" by the end of the year, while Teheran will still be the sentimental "Ace"), that's one large step towards this season being a success.

[thewupk]

He is one of the most important parts of this season.

If Folty makes significant strides towards becoming a TOR starter (I still predict he is the true "Ace" by the end of the year, while Teheran will still be the sentimental "Ace"), that's one large step towards this season being a success.

I'm not sure if forty will pass jt this year or ever. But if he just becomes a 2.5 to 3 war pitcher that would be a success stories imo. His stuff has the potential to be higher though.

[nsacpi]

I'm not sure if forty will pass jt this year or ever. But if he just becomes a 2.5 to 3 war pitcher that would be a success stories imo. His stuff has the potential to be higher though.

His success matters more to the team than someone who will be gone in a year or two. It is a question of building value. Or to put it another way to add expected wins beyond 2017.

It looks to me like Freeman is moving from a player we might have projected as a 5 win player at the start of this year to someone we will project as a 7 win player going into 2018. That's probably the most significant development to the 2018 outlook so far this year. Folty could also be a significant development, for 2018 and beyond.

[Southcack77]

His success matters more to the team than someone who will be gone in a year or two. It is a question of building value. Or to put it another way to add expected wins beyond 2017.

It looks to me like Freeman is moving from a player we might have projected as a 5 win player at the start of this year to someone we will project as a 7 win player going into 2018. That's probably the most significant development to the 2018 outlook so far this year. Folty could also be a significant development, for 2018 and beyond.


Things start to look a lot better for the rotation future if Folty turns out to be a 1,2, or 3 starter.

[sturg33]

Trying to get us to a contender in 2018 and just not seeing the path.

Even if Folty becomes a 4 WAR pitcher, and Freeman is a 7 WAR guy, there's just too much weakness at C, 3B, LF, and RF to get around it.

[thethe]

Trying to get us to a contender in 2018 and just not seeing the path.

Even if Folty becomes a 4 WAR pitcher, and Freeman is a 7 WAR guy, there's just too much weakness at C, 3B, LF, and RF to get around it.

Catcher could be Lucroy but I'd also give a look to Avila and Montero.

For third - How about a reunion with Yunel? Probably unlikely but the kind of solid player that we could use at the position.

LF - Disagree with your assessment

RF - The best way to deal with RF is to find a right handed bat to platoon with him. I don't think its realistic there is any way he is not on the team next year. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any fits so this will have to be acquired via a trade.

So assuming a scenario where Folty and Freeman develop to that level then its not hard to see a potential outcome of a playoff team. Its so early but Dickeys extension next year might look like a great contract. I have a lot of confidence that the FO will be able to acquire two SP's between FA, the minors, and trade.

[sturg33]

Catcher could be Lucroy but I'd also give a look to Avila and Montero.

For third - How about a reunion with Yunel? Probably unlikely but the kind of solid player that we could use at the position.

LF - Disagree with your assessment

RF - The best way to deal with RF is to find a right handed bat to platoon with him. I don't think its realistic there is any way he is not on the team next year. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any fits so this will have to be acquired via a trade.

So assuming a scenario where Folty and Freeman develop to that level then its not hard to see a potential outcome of a playoff team. Its so early but Dickeys extension next year might look like a great contract. I have a lot of confidence that the FO will be able to acquire to SP's between FA, the minors, and trade.

Well (small sample) but Freeman has been there, and Folty is producing there now.

And we still suck

[thethe]

Well (small sample) but Freeman has been there, and Folty is producing there now.

And we still suck

Right now we do. But if you are going to use the performance of Inciarte/Swanson as the norm moving forward then I most certainly agree. I do not see this team in playoff contention next year.

[cajunrevenge]

If there is one thing I know its that baseball is predictable. Players almost always perform exactly as predicted.

[nsacpi]

Trying to get us to a contender in 2018 and just not seeing the path.

Even if Folty becomes a 4 WAR pitcher, and Freeman is a 7 WAR guy, there's just too much weakness at C, 3B, LF, and RF to get around it.

48 wins is your replacement value starting point. We should be able to upgrade the bench and pen (to say 7 wins). Freddie is 7. That gets us to 62.

To get to 85 we need another 23 from the five starting pitchers and 7 position players. Or 2 per player. Some guys (Ender, Teheran) we can project at 3 or so. So we actually have some room for a couple 1 win performers. The problem is right now we have RF, C, SS, 3B, and 2 spots in the rotation as positions where we are not at the point where I could comfortably project 2 wins in 2018. That's too many. We need to whittle that down.

[cajunrevenge]

6-12 record losing 6 straight....and 7 of the next 10 games are against the Mets and their great pitching.

In the next 10 games, Atlanta will see the following pitchers:
Syndergaard twice
Harvey twice
deGrom
Wheeler
Jimmy Nelson

You can then extend the schedule to 3 games at home against the Cardinals where they will face:
Wacha
Martinez
Wainwright

It's a distinct possibility that this team could be 8-23 or so after these next 13 games.

This post is aging well.