Worst Brave ever?

[BlackwaterPark]

So who is it?

Uggla? Kolb? BJ? Melky? Reggie? Boone?

[The Chosen One]

Book is yet to be closed on BJ.

Uggla is a likeable guy who just sucks.

Melky was lol.

Boone actually was somewhat productive.

Reggie sucked.

Kolb was a nice guy that just had no mental toughness.

[Pugfan]

No Mondesi

[50PoundHead]

You guys must be really young.

[Pugfan]

Growing in the 80's the Braves had many players to choose from. Andres Thomas would get my vote. Dude flat out sucked balls.

[zitothebrave]

You guys must be really young.

Yeah. Andres Thomas would have infuriated the board.

[BlackwaterPark]

I am 28 :)

[Dalyn]

Fredi Gonzalez.

[jgriff3029]

Garrett Anderson may not have been the worst but he may have been the one I liked the least.

[nsacpi]

Darrel Chaney sticks out in my memory as an especially bad hitter who was a starting player for us.

But I'd go with Kolb. I felt sorry for the guy.

I remember when we traded for Kolb becoming concerned when I looked at his strikeout and walk rates. He had an ERA of 2.98 and xFIP of 4.20 for the Brewers in 2004. For us in 2005 he had an ERA of 5.93 and xFIP of 4.26. And the next year he went back to Milwaukee and put up an ERA of 4.84 and an xFIP of 4.89. I guess those three years qualify him as a poster child of sorts regarding the usefulness of ERA when evaluating pitchers, especially relief pitchers.

[Braves1976]

Garrett Anderson may not have been the worst but he may have been the one I liked the least.

Yea, we didn't call him Garrett "Two Step" Anderson for nothing. Wasn't that also the year we almost signed Ken Griffey Jr. but then signed GA after that didn't work out?

[VirginiaBrave]

Brad Kominsk..and it's not close. He was so bad I can't even spell it right.

[bravesnumberone]

Most suckage? It's hard to argue with Kameron Loe, Dan Klob (yes, Klob), Reeksma, Reggie Sanders, Diory Hernandez, Raul Mondesi, Greg Norton, slumping Uggla, slumping BJ, Albie Lopez, Bob Wickman (I don't think he was that awful? Can't remember.), Paul Janish with the bat. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.

Piss-poor attitude? Melky, Garrett Anderson

Goat? Lonnie Smith :emot-siren.gif.17:

All-out douche? Well, Rocker for starters

But really, there is no other answer than Jason Heyward because he doesn't love baseball.

[The Chosen One]

Wickman behind the scenes told Bobby he wouldn't pitch unless it was a save situation.

[Dalyn]

Wickman behind the scenes told Bobby he wouldn't pitch unless it was a save situation.

I remember that. He was pissed when he was brought in for some work. :happy0157:

Wickman was awesome for us in 2006.

[Braves1976]

Wickman behind the scenes told Bobby he wouldn't pitch unless it was a save situation.

Not surprising, I couldn't stand Wickman and hated that we got him in the first place. If not for him Huddy passes the 300 mark in wins a year earlier too. Wickman blew so many of Huddy's gems that it became almost expected.

[Dalyn]

Yunel is probably my least favorite. Reggie Sanders.

[bravesnumberone]

Ah, Yunel. I don't regard Bobby as a perfect manager, but it raised my eye brows whenever he had issues with a player.

Wasn't Marquis an asshat too during his time here?

[Braves1976]

Yunel is probably my least favorite.

Really? I thought it was Martin Prado for you. :icon_biggrin:

[Dalyn]

Ah, Yunel. I don't regard Bobby as a perfect manager, but it raised my eye brows whenever he had issues with a player.

Wasn't Marquis an asshat too during his time here?

Yeah. Jason was a punk. Schafer (though it seems he learned to keep his mouth shut). Gonzalez. I hated his delivery.

[Dalyn]

Really? I thought it was Martin Prado for you. :icon_biggrin:

:Alone:

No. I never disliked Prado. I just saw him for what he is. How is his September going? Let's see... 190 .190 .238 .428 ...sounds about right. :cooter:

[Dalyn]

Hanson was by far my least favorite starting pitcher to watch.

[bravesnumberone]

Hanson could make McCann look like Lou Brock.

[Braves1976]

:Alone:

No. I never disliked Prado. I just saw him for what he is. How is his September going? Let's see... 190 .190 .238 .428 ...sounds about right. :cooter:

I won't sidetrack the thread with another Prado debate. Besides, I was just hacking on ya anyway.

[Braves1976]

Hanson was by far my least favorite starting pitcher to watch.

Hanson made everyone a stolen base threat. That's what I least liked about him. Though I liked him a lot as a pitcher before he started having shoulder issues, etc. In fact, I was a big Hanson fan watching him come up in the minors.

[Dalyn]

I won't sidetrack the thread with another Prado debate. Besides, I was just hacking on ya anyway.

I know. :dance:

[cajunrevenge]

If you dont vote for the Klobster then you must have been so traumatized you blocked it from your memory. Never have I see a guy with a 6 ERA and said "He's actually lucky its that low". He actually made Reitsma look like a closer.

[Dalyn]

If you dont vote for the Klobster then you must have been so traumatized you blocked it from your memory. Never have I see a guy with a 6 ERA and said "He's actually lucky its that low". He actually made Reitsma look like a closer.

First time I ever just started laughing at blown saves. He was horrendous.

[The Chosen One]

Wickman was only awesome in 2006 because let's be real here... we didn't have anything that resembled a closer.

[Dalyn]

Wickman was only awesome in 2006 because let's be real here... we didn't have anything that resembled a closer.

I don't know. He was damn near perfect for us.

[mossy]

Tom Martin
Gerald Perry
Chris Reitsma
BJ Surhoff (who cried about coming here)
Craig McMurtry
Jim Acker
LUIS AYALA >:(

[The Chosen One]

BJ Surhoff always pissed me off because you could see he wasn't happy playing here. When he tore his ACL, it's almost like he was relieved he didn't have to play for us.

[Temo]

According to fangraphs, Andres Thomas had the least value of any Brave, with -4.6 WAR. Bobby Reis was the worst pitcher, with -3.4 WAR.

[gcbraves]

Pat Rockett
Pepe Frias
Preston Hanna

Yes, I am that old...

[57Brave]

Charlie Puello

[stpeteirish]

Nate McClouth was about as bad as anyone during his stay, and we gave up some good guys to get him. Only guy in recent years (besides BJ, of course) who consistently swung thru 88 MPH fastballs.

[PawPawMaxwell]

BJ Surhoff always pissed me off because you could see he wasn't happy playing here. When he tore his ACL, it's almost like he was relieved he didn't have to play for us.
Surhoffs issues were not about playing in Atlanta, they were about having to disrupt the lives of his special needs children.

[PawPawMaxwell]

Worse Brave ever? Len Barker gets my vote.

[Dalyn]

Worse Brave ever? Len Barker gets my vote.

Ugh. Thanks for the reminder. Brett Butler. :Sad:

[DaneHill]

Worse Brave ever? Len Barker gets my vote.

But he threw a perfect game! For someone!

[PawPawMaxwell]

But he threw a perfect game! For someone!
It sure wasnt for us.



I know. He was an Indian.

[holden]

Melky.

Not close.

[BedellBrave]

Kenny Loftin

[bravesnumberone]

Should have put Kenny Lofton on the list. Still utterly pissed we traded for him. Grissom was one of my favorites.

I didn't realize Surhoff had that off-the-field issue, but come on....a lot of players are away from their families.

[Carp]

GA. Not really close. Granted I'm not old enough to remember Dawson.

[Metaphysicist]

Horrablacio Runmirez
Runny McGopherball
Horrible Ratios
The HoRam

[The Chosen One]

William Shanks

[Pugfan]

Marty Clary circa 1990. Ken obrekfell because of his crappy power at 3rd base. JeFf Dedmon, Paul Runge, Brad Komminsk, Joe Boever, Jim Acker, Ron Harper

[Pugfan]

Horrablacio Runmirez
Runny McGopherball
Horrible Ratios
The HoRam

Horrible Ratios is the funniest nickname For a pitcher ever. Baseball reference website should include it in his page.

[jdunn]

Albie Lopez

[PawPawMaxwell]

Biff Pocoroba




J/k Not really a bad player (one time All Star) but my youngest kid just loved saying his name.

[weso1]

J. Manning from the 1875 Boston Braves. I watched him play when I was 25 years old and just got back from service in the Red River War. I remember even back then we posted on the old Braves forum about his lack of OBP skills and poor defense. Ole Harry Wright always ran him out there though.

[PawPawMaxwell]

J. Manning from the 1875 Boston Braves. I watched him play when I was 25 years old and just got back from service in the Red River War. I remember even back then we posted on the old Braves forum about his lack of OBP skills and poor defense. Ole Harry Wright always ran him out there though.
Not many people even know what the Red River War was or about. Significant to you???

[zbhargrove]

I am 28 :)

As far as braves history goes... That's pretty young... And that's coming from a 32 year old... Shoot I'm a baby with Braves history. Those 80s Braves teams had players that would shame Astros fans.

[50PoundHead]

Great guy and currently a man of the cloth (so I hate to dis him too much), but Terry Blocker was just about the worst player I've ever seen for the Braves.

Blackwater and others, I didn't want to dog you guys for being young, but those of us who watched or listened to the Braves in the 1970s and 1980s have seen some players that make Dan Kolb look like a Hall of Famer.

Listen to this run of terrible shortstops. Andres Thomas was terrible and he took over for Rafael Ramirez who was also terrible who took over for Luis Gomez who was also terrible who took over for Pepe Frias who was also terrible who took over for Darrel Chaney who split a few seasons with Pat Rockett who was also terrible following a season of Larvell "Scooter or Shootin'" Blanks who was also terrible who took over for Craig Robinson who was also terrible who took over for Marty Perez who wasn't very good who took over for the Sonny Jackson/Gil Garrido tandem in a two decade run of absolutely abysmal shortstop play in the wake of the Denis Menke era (who didn't have much range and spent most of his post-Braves' career at 3B, but at least knew what a bat looked like).

Ken Oberkfell was my least favorite Brave. The guy could walk (which is valuable), but that was IT.

[AerchAngel]

Fredi Gonzalez.

:happy0157:

[AerchAngel]

Wow, I remembered him, mid to late 70's, the whole team sucked outside of The Sarge and Jeff Burroughs.

[AerchAngel]

BJ Surhoff always pissed me off because you could see he wasn't happy playing here. When he tore his ACL, it's almost like he was relieved he didn't have to play for us.

Get the spelling right.

BJ Sureout


Was Rico Brogna mentioned in here or Robert "Thug" Fick?

[AerchAngel]

Great guy and currently a man of the cloth (so I hate to dis him too much), but Terry Blocker was just about the worst player I've ever seen for the Braves.

Blackwater and others, I didn't want to dog you guys for being young, but those of us who watched or listened to the Braves in the 1970s and 1980s have seen some players that make Dan Kolb look like a Hall of Famer.

Listen to this run of terrible shortstops. Andres Thomas was terrible and he took over for Rafael Ramirez who was also terrible who took over for Luis Gomez who was also terrible who took over for Pepe Frias who was also terrible who took over for Darrel Chaney who split a few seasons with Pat Rockett who was also terrible following a season of Larvell "Scooter or Shootin'" Blanks who was also terrible who took over for Craig Robinson who was also terrible who took over for Marty Perez who wasn't very good who took over for the Sonny Jackson/Gil Garrido tandem in a two decade run of absolutely abysmal shortstop play in the wake of the Denis Menke era (who didn't have much range and spent most of his post-Braves' career at 3B, but at least knew what a bat looked like).

Ken Oberkfell was my least favorite Brave. The guy could walk (which is valuable), but that was IT.

Rafael Ramirez had a decent career and for SS during that time, he was actually one of the better ones.

[rico43]

Nick Esasky retired this topic in 1990.

[Braves1976]

Nick Esasky retired this topic in 1990.

Wasn't he the one that couldn't hit a lick, then they found out he had vertigo? When I hear of cases of vertigo his name comes to mind. I also recall he was coming off a big season and was considered a big free agent signing for us.

[buck7580]

Wasn't he the one that couldn't hit a lick, then they found out he had vertigo? When I hear of cases of vertigo his name comes to mind. I also recall he was coming off a big season and was considered a big free agent signing for us.

Yes indeed. Vertigo got him.

[rico43]

Yes indeed. Vertigo got him.

When he didn't work out, the following year they were forced to trade for Sid Bream. And the rest, they say, was history.

[bravebonebook]

Reading through this thread makes me wonder, other than those couple of solid years in '82 and '83, how did I ever manage to stay a Braves fan through the Dark Ages of the '70s and '80s? Probably only because of TBS and Skip, Pete and Ernie. At least they made losing funny...

[jcc03004]

Lets see redman probably

[VOLracious]

Andy Marte!

Anybody from the 1980s not named Murphy!

[Mad Dog Murph]

Wow, the youth of the board shines through on this thread. Most of you do not know what it is like to route for a true loser. I mean, come on, you guys sit in here everyday and talk trash about players on a team that will win its division...by 9 games.....all while missing several key starters due to injury. Take the golden baseball out of your rear ends and realize how lucky you are.

Imagine watching the debacle that was the Atlanta Braves in the 80's. Soooooooo many bad...no HORRIBLE teams. That is why I laugh at you boneheads when you say Freddi is horrible and this player is horrible. Most of you have no idea. None. After watching 20 years of incompetent baseball, there is no way I can be overly critical of a team or players that have won as much as this team has since 1991.

1990 Atlanta Braves National League 65 97 .401 26.0 6 980,129
1989 Atlanta Braves National League 63 97 .394 28.0 6 984,930
1988 Atlanta Braves National League 54 106 .338 39.5 6 848,089
1987 Atlanta Braves National League 69 92 .429 20.5 5 1,217,402
1986 Atlanta Braves National League 72 89 .447 23.5 6 1,387,181
1985 Atlanta Braves National League 66 96 .407 29.0 5 1,350,137
1984 Atlanta Braves National League 80 82 .494 12.0 3 1,724,892
1983 Atlanta Braves National League 88 74 .543 3.0 2 2,119,935
1982 Atlanta Braves National League 89 73 .549 - 1 1,801,985
1981 Atlanta Braves National League 50 56 .472 15.0 535,418
1980 Atlanta Braves National League 81 80 .503 10.5 4 1,048,411
1979 Atlanta Braves National League 66 94 .413 23.5 6 769,465
1978 Atlanta Braves National League 69 93 .426 26.0 6 904,494
1977 Atlanta Braves National League 61 101 .377 37.0 6 872,464
1976 Atlanta Braves National League 70 92 .432 32.0 6 818,179
1975 Atlanta Braves National League 67 94 .416 40.5 5 534,672

Too many bad players to list.

Komminsk
Bruce Benedict
Paul Zuvella
Omar Moreno
Jeff Blauser
Paul Runge
Gary Roenicke

[ScooterAU94]

*Worst attitude - Kenny Lofton retires this thread. Robert Fick is not too far behind. What a d-bag.

*Worst return on investment via trade- Mark Texiera - single handedly depleted the farm system. No playoff appearances to show for it. J.D. Drew is a close second as we sent Wainwright to STL in return. Len Barker - sent Bret Butler to the Indians.

*Worst return on investment via FA - Reggie Sanders; Dan Uggla; Nick Esasky(sp?) - - And it looks like BJ Upton might take this category in a landslide, but it is still early.

[50PoundHead]

I was nosing around Baseball Reference and I think a good case can be made that Paul Casanova may be the worst Brave to ever see extended action during a season.

[Julio3000]

Lets see redman probably

I dunno. Not everybody's cup of tea, but he had some hilarious lyrics.

"I don't push a lot of vehicles
but I push a used one,
with a tape deck
if it's feasible"