GDT @ Mets 4/26

[Julio3000]

Gsellman vs. Teheran

1. Inciarte CF
2. BP 2B
3. FF 1B
4. KeMvP LF
5. Neck RF
6. Adonis 3B
7. Flowers C
8. Swanson SS
9. JT P

[USMA76]

Ender and Brandon reach base to start the game. Hopefully, we can draw first blood.

[msstate7]

Dang it

[msstate7]

Should be bases loaded, no outs... instead 1st and 3rd, 1 out... 6-4-3 imminent

[thewupk]

like the aggressiveness fro BP but that slide was horrible. lol

[Julio3000]

Don't know that I'd be running with Fred at bat.

[msstate7]

Nevermind... forgot KEMvP was up. He just knows how to drive guys in

[thethe]

Bp has got some speed. Good for my fantasy team.


KEMP!

[thewupk]

Kemp Nation is back

[msstate7]

So stupid

[Julio3000]

Should be bases loaded, no outs... instead 1st and 3rd, 1 out... 6-4-3 imminent

You forgot the extent to which Kemp knows how to drive in runs.

[msstate7]

Should be overturned, but dumb regardless

[bravesfanforlife88]

Freeman with the wheels! Hopefully they don't mess this review up

[thethe]

More runs please

[msstate7]

You forgot the extent to which Kemp knows how to drive in runs.

It's his greatest talent of many

[thethe]

Kemp Nation is back

He had a brief ST when he came back.

[thewupk]

adonis with the wheels

[Julio3000]

Kemp the line moving.

[msstate7]

Come on flowers

[thethe]

Runs Runs Runs

[Enscheff]

KEMvP is protecting Freeman so well he has the highest walk rates in his career with KEMvP hitting behind him!

Wait...that's the opposite of protection. Why is this protection phenomenon so complicated?

[bravesfanforlife88]

5-0 in the 1st!

[thewupk]

got our weekly quota of runs out of the way

[UNCBlue012]

WHAT IS HAPPENING

[msstate7]

If Julio blows this, I'm not gonna be his fan anymore

[50PoundHead]

Lane Adams effect.

[msstate7]

KEMvP is protecting Freeman so well he has the highest walk rates in his career with KEMvP hitting behind him!

Wait...that's the opposite of protection. Why is this protection phenomenon so complicated?

5-0 is the only explanation you need, simpleton

[thewupk]

Lane Adams effect.

still not strong enough for Swanson to hit the slider

[USMA76]

If Julio blows this, I'm not gonna be his fan anymore

Julio doesn't have to face Bryce Harper, so there's a small chance we'll be okay.

[Enscheff]

5-0 is the only explanation you need, simpleton

So Freeman waking ahead of KEMvP and then KEMvP flipping a single to right, and then Flowers hitting a 3 run double is evidence of KEMvP giving Freeman lineup protection?

Help me. I'm sooooo confused about lineup protection!

[Garmel]

The BABIP gods are making up for the screwjobs from last week.

[msstate7]

I'm sooooo confused about lineup protection!

I agree

[thewupk]

The BABIP gods are making up for the screwjobs from last week.

eventually....all things even out....thus sayeth the lord

[msstate7]

Nice to see Julio has been able to move forward with his life after such a traumatic experience last week

[Enscheff]

Teheran throwing darts so far.

[sturg33]

Are there people left who actually do still believe in lineup protection? Hasn't this year basically proven that it is meaningless?

[sturg33]

Brandon Phillips hurt? Jace pinch hitting for him

[Garmel]

Damn. I hope BP will be okay.

[msstate7]

I hope Phillips is precautionary with the big lead

[Enscheff]

Are there people left who actually do still believe in lineup protection? Hasn't this year basically proven that it is meaningless?

You'll have to ask the folks around here that think Freeman took off because he had KEMvP hitting behind him.

I'm still trying to understand the phenomenon myself.

[thewupk]

Are there people left who actually do still believe in lineup protection? Hasn't this year basically proven that it is meaningless?

Some folks like to cling to anything they can

[jsebe10]

Wtf did fragile Phillips even do? Every sequence that 1st inning looked textbook...

[msstate7]

I have no idea if line protection is real or not. I do wonder how you would go about proving it or disproving it though. If you plugged Rizzo 7th in the braves' lineup, would his numbers be the same as in the cubs' lineup? If FF were hitting 8th in the braves' lineup, would his numbers be the same?

[thewupk]

lol @ that left field defense

[msstate7]

lol @ that left field defense

Makes you appreciate KEMvP

[USMA76]

Gsellman's pitch count is through the roof right now. Hopefully, we can get into their bullpen early in this series.

[TheBravos]

It's beginning to come apparent why the Mets are on a loosing streak....

[thewupk]

I have no idea if line protection is real or not. I do wonder how you would go about proving it or disproving it though. If you plugged Rizzo 7th in the braves' lineup, would his numbers be the same as in the cubs' lineup? If FF were hitting 8th in the braves' lineup, would his numbers be the same?

Hitting 8th will inflate your OBP (see Swanson for most recent example). But yes for pretty much any other spot pitchers are going to pitch you the same regardless of who is coming after you. The only slight difference you might see is if you have a great basestealer in front of you that gets on base. The pitcher may tend to throw you more fastballs. The whole idea of protection is that player A will get more fastballs to hit so he's not walked in fear of player B (usually a good hitter in their own right) hitting with someone on base. Freeman is proving to be one of the best hitters in the game and already the best hitter on the team. Why would you feed that guy fastballs (that he can crush) in fear that you don't walk him so Kemp (a lessor hitter) can hit with someone on base.

I mean can't we look at Swanson as the most recent example that this logic is flawed. He did not get a constant stream of fastball when Freeman (top 5 hitter in baseball currently) was hitting behind him.

[Enscheff]

I have no idea if line protection is real or not. I do wonder how you would go about proving it or disproving it though. If you plugged Rizzo 7th in the braves' lineup, would his numbers be the same as in the cubs' lineup? If FF were hitting 8th in the braves' lineup, would his numbers be the same?

Google it and learn.

[UNCBlue012]

Swanson can start hitting now.

[GovClintonTyree]

You'll have to ask the folks around here that think Freeman took off because he had KEMvP hitting behind him.

I'm still trying to understand the phenomenon myself.

So, think about when you joined this board. There were a couple guys who were insufferable assholes. Then you started posting, and we forgot all about how obnoxious those guys were.

Your AH+ has been 189 since you were called up. You offered poster lineup protection.

[msstate7]

Hitting 8th will inflate your OBP (see Swanson for most recent example). But yes for pretty much any other spot pitchers are going to pitch you the same regardless of who is coming after you. The only slight difference you might see is if you have a great basestealer in front of you that gets on base. The pitcher may tend to throw you more fastballs. The whole idea of protection is that player A will get more fastballs to hit so he's not walked in fear of player B (usually a good hitter in their own right) hitting with someone on base. Freeman is proving to be one of the best hitters in the game and already the best hitter on the team. Why would you feed that guy fastballs (that he can crush) in fear that you don't walk him so Kemp (a lessor hitter) can hit with someone on base.

I mean can't we look at Swanson as the most recent example that this logic is flawed. He did not get a constant stream of fastball when Freeman (top 5 hitter in baseball currently) was hitting behind him.
So an 8th place hitter will see less hittable pitches bc of pitcher behind him? Doesn't that at least prove it to some degree?

[thewupk]

So an 8th place hitter will see less hittable pitches bc of pitcher behind him? Doesn't that at least prove it to some degree?

There are certain game situations where a hitter will get pitched around but these are very specific. Sure, there may be a few ABs throughout the year where having Kemp behind Freeman means that Freeman gets pitched to instead of blatantly pitched around if a lessor hitter was behind him. But there isn't going to be a situation where Freeman is fed fastballs because Kemp is behind him instead of say Garcia. That's just not how it works.

[msstate7]

There are certain game situations where a hitter will get pitched around but these are very specific. Sure, there may be a few ABs throughout the year where having Kemp behind Freeman means that Freeman gets pitched to instead of blatantly pitched around if a lessor hitter was behind him. But there isn't going to be a situation where Freeman is fed fastballs because Kemp is behind him instead of say Garcia. That's just not how it works.

Gotcha

[msstate7]

Dang it, Teheran... don't walk guys

[USMA76]

Back to "game stuff," Mets with an auspicious start in the bottom of the fourth.

[thewupk]

To clarify. Pitching around a hitter because of who is behind you does happen. A hitter getting good pitches to hit because of who is behind you doesn't happen. Again there are some caveats like when a good base stealer is on base. That hitter may get more fastballs to try and avoid the steal. But that's not what I would consider lineup protection.

[msstate7]

SMH

[msstate7]

DP ball... need it here

[UNCBlue012]

Teheran's head games will always make me mad. You have a five-run lead, don't walk people. Jeez

[USMA76]

DP ball... need it here

Instead Mets have gotten two seeing eye singles.

[msstate7]

Get collmenter up

[msstate7]

Good recovery there.

[msstate7]

Nice job, Julio

[UNCBlue012]

Whew. Great damage control

[USMA76]

Good recovery there.

Getting Granderson as the second out after falling behind 3-1 was definitely a big deal in that situation.

[bravesfanforlife88]

Phillips out with a left groin injury

[USMA76]

Phillips out with a left groin injury

Great, those things can often take their sweet time to heal.

[msstate7]

Phillips out with a left groin injury

Albies time?

[msstate7]

With every pitiful AB Swanson continues to put up, I think about moving Albies to 2b last season. Maybe the smarter play was keeping both at SS until one forced us to move the other

[USMA76]

Julio getting squeezed. This inning should be over.

[thewupk]

With every pitiful AB Swanson continues to put up, I think about moving Albies to 2b last season. Maybe the smarter play was keeping both at SS until one forced us to move the other

At some point this season Swanson will be sent down and this service time talk will be silly to look back on.

[USMA76]

You know, maybe I've not given Markakis enough credit. He appears to be locked in right now.

[thewupk]

You know, maybe I've not given Markakis enough credit. He appears to be locked in right now.

He's not a bad hitter. Going to hover in the 100-110 WRC+ range.

[USMA76]

With every pitiful AB Swanson continues to put up, I think about moving Albies to 2b last season. Maybe the smarter play was keeping both at SS until one forced us to move the other

It appears Swanson's performance in a brief stint at the end of last season may have been "fool's gold."

[jsebe10]

Albies time?

Yea right. Boni will move to 2B with a
JP platoon.

[jsebe10]

I dunno about y'all but I'm loving Adonis' 3 XBH in 74 plate appearances.

[USMA76]

Bruce is wearing out Julio in this AB.

[Julio3000]

Bruce is wearing out Julio in this AB.

Thought he struck him out on the 2-2.

[Skeeter31]

Wisler up in the pen. Why???? He should be back in Gwinnett starting.

[USMA76]

Thought he struck him out on the 2-2.

Julio's had a couple of non-calls on two strikes that have run up his pitch count. Umpire is simply not giving him the pitch that backs up over the plate to left handed hitters.

[Julio3000]

Tight strike zone probably cost JT an inning. Still, good outing.

[msstate7]

Wisler up in the pen. Why???? He should be back in Gwinnett starting.

When did he start last? Could this be normal throw day?

[msstate7]

Swanson beast mode
<ON> OFF

[USMA76]

Swanson beast mode
<ON> OFF

What's the old saying, "that'll look like a line drive in the box score tomorrow."

[50PoundHead]

Snitker took a page out of Fredi's misguided guide to handling a pitching staff by sending Teheran out there in the 7th. The guy has given you 100 pitches. His pitch count has gone up and strike-to-ball down over the past couple of innings, so what the heck, send him out there again.

[msstate7]

Wisler pitching here is strange

[Garmel]

Wisler has added speed to his fastball. He's now 94-96.

[msstate7]

Wisler has added speed to his fastball. He's now 94-96.

Think it's just he's airing it out since he knows it's only an inning?

[Garmel]

Peterson has no range whatsoever.

[Garmel]

Think it's just he's airing it out since he knows it's only an inning

That could be it.

[TheBravos]

Peterson has no range whatsoever.

Yeah how many balls has he "just" missed tonight. Horrible...

[msstate7]

Yeah how many balls has he "just" missed tonight. Horrible...

Need to get boni in there.

[USMA76]

Need to get boni in there.

If "in there" means DFA'd, then I agree wholeheartedly.

[msstate7]

I wanted to see adams

[bravesfanMatt]

Pitching Wisler is stupid if it means he misses a start in Gwinnett. I defended the decision in another thread, but if he is going to be bullpen fodder for a few weeks, then I will openly be critical of that decision.

[msstate7]

Pitching Wisler is stupid if it means he misses a start in Gwinnett. I defended the decision in another thread, but if he is going to be bullpen fodder for a few weeks, then I will openly be critical of that decision.

When was his last start? Could today be normal throw day?

[Hulavol]

Time to call up the big man from Gwinnett....

[USMA76]

Looks like a low breaking ball is kryptonite to Jace when he has two strikes.

[thewupk]

When was his last start? Could today be normal throw day?

4/19

[msstate7]

4/19

1 week ago... I don't understand what we're doing with him

[thewupk]

1 week ago... I don't understand what we're doing with him

Neither do the Braves

[msstate7]

KEMvP is graceful as a gazelle in LF. His WAR is gonna be booming this year

[TheBravos]

Welp...there is the second almost a HR (but an out).

[msstate7]

Welp...there is the second almost a HR (but an out).

Well in wisler's defense, almost HRs don't count for a 1/2 run.

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

[Hulavol]

Braves Win!!

[mossy]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/JamieSanders/Mobile%20Uploads/CCAE79C9-CE19-49F4-9192-CB5E2A5A4AD0_zpstokhdgij.png (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/JamieSanders/media/Mobile%20Uploads/CCAE79C9-CE19-49F4-9192-CB5E2A5A4AD0_zpstokhdgij.png.html)

The above photo is of our previous victory.

[msstate7]

Thames left game for brewers with hamstring. Might catch a break this weekend

[USMA76]

http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

That's a relief. I was beginning to think the elephant was in the Federal Witness Protection Program.

[bravesfanMatt]

Emma got mad we quit posting her and she put a curse on us.. we can not let that happen again.

[Russ2dollas]

Profar benched and sucking in Texas. Can we get him for Garcia and a relief pitcher?

Braves win! I'm done with this manager. Really hoping I'm wrong about inciarte and Swanson hitting.

[msstate7]

Profar benched and sucking in Texas. Can we get him for Garcia and a relief pitcher?

Braves win! I'm done with this manager. Really hoping I'm wrong about inciarte and Swanson hitting.

I can understand worrying about Swanson, but...

Ender in 1,666 PAs = .287/.332/.385

He's a good hitter. Hopefully by next season, inciarte is hitting in the 6-7 hole instead of leadoff

[TURBO]

Emma got mad we quit posting her and she put a curse on us.. we can not let that happen again.

Time to bring her back? Thought you guys were over it.

[goldfly]

Wednesday Night game in New York City with a train that drops you off right at the stadium against a rival and the Mets only drew 22,819 fans tonight

[UNCBlue012]

I LOVE early games since I have to be up at 4 a.m. for work. I'm so pumped for today!

[thethe]

Wednesday Night game in New York City with a train that drops you off right at the stadium against a rival and the Mets only drew 22,819 fans tonight

At a beauitfull stadium as well. We all know why people are quoting braves attendance figures.

[bravesfanMatt]

Time to bring her back? Thought you guys were over it.

Who ever is over dancing Emma should be shot on site.

https://media.giphy.com/media/4wMlW2RcOCVCU/giphy.gif

[UNCBlue012]

Emma Watson's attractiveness is just out-of-this-world.

[thewupk]

At a beauitfull stadium as well. We all know why people are quoting braves attendance figures.

Because they are important for this season. Why are you concerned since it's more about long term for you?

[thethe]

Because they are important for this season. Why are you concerned since it's more about long term for you?

I'm not concerned in the slightest. I think the move was a brilliant long term play on the potential upside to moving into an up and coming suburban community. If population continues to grow liberty will be loving the returns on the braves.

It's so clear that some on this board have and tremendous axe to grind with thencurrent leadership. I don't understand why but it's obvious to so many on this board.

[sturg33]

At a beauitfull stadium as well. We all know why people are quoting braves attendance figures.

Our attendance matters.

It's also a brand new park, unlike citi field

And I don't know why you're intertwining the business decision with front office competency.

For the record, I love the new stadium and am really happy we have it. That doesn't mean I'm not concerned that it's not drawing as well as I'd like

Seriously... you don't have to defend EVERYTHING

[thewupk]

I'm not concerned in the slightest. I think the move was a brilliant long term play on the potential upside to moving into an up and coming suburban community. If population continues to grow liberty will be loving the returns on the braves.

It's so clear that some on this board have and tremendous axe to grind with thencurrent leadership. I don't understand why but it's obvious to so many on this board.

That may be true. Some also blindly follow them and think they can do no wrong. However I don't really think peoples issue with a possible lack of attendance at the new stadium is a dig at the Braves leadership. It's more of a concern with the future of the Braves.

[Preacher]

A brand new -- and very nice by most accounts -- stadium should be drawing better than it has. Hard to deny that.

For someone who doesn't live in the Atlanta area... how has the recent highway issues impacted this - if at all?

[Enscheff]

At a beauitfull stadium as well. We all know why people are quoting braves attendance figures.

I am willing to bet everything I own that if the Braves were in a sellout streak you would be jerking off about it in every thread. You would be posting nonstop protections detailing what players you think the Braves could afford. Your lineup posts containing Machado would be endless.