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NYCBrave
09-17-2013, 04:24 PM
Braves:


1. Jordan Schafer (L) CF
2. Justin Upton (R) RF
3. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
4. Evan Gattis (R) LF
5. Chris Johnson (R) 3B
6. Gerald Laird (R) C
7. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
8. Andrelton Simmons (R) SS
9. Freddy Garcia (R) P


Nationals:

1. Denard Span (L) CF
2. Ryan Zimmerman (R) 3B
3. Jayson Werth (R) RF
4. Bryce Harper (L) LF
5. Ian Desmond (R) SS
6. Adam LaRoche (L) 1B
7. Steve Lombardozzi (S) 2B
8. Jhonatan Solano (R) C
9. Tanner Roark (R) P

Bdawg2309
09-17-2013, 04:26 PM
schafer.............:facepalm:

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 04:41 PM
Battery of Garcia and Laird. K.

bravebonebook
09-17-2013, 05:03 PM
Guys, after that loss this afternoon, please just don't watch the second game. I'm afraid some of you won't be able to handle another loss if it happens. No obits because of a baseball game, please!

Dalyn
09-17-2013, 05:22 PM
Guys, after that loss this afternoon, please just don't watch the second game. I'm afraid some of you won't be able to handle another loss if it happens. No obits because of a baseball game, please!


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6k6huPcG41ry10fwo1_500.gif

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 05:32 PM
Don't worry if we lose, we'll all be back tomorrow to see if the Braves can figure out another way to lose. At this point, no other choice but to swallow this afternoon and get back out there and try to get the split. We do that, we've got a chance to clinch tomorrow. I know Garcia was good last time out, but I'd much rather have someone else out.

Enscheff
09-17-2013, 05:40 PM
This afternoon was the first time I can remember being happy I was at work and had to miss a Braves game!

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 05:48 PM
Put Elliot Johnson in the OF and put Gattis behind the plate Jesus jones....

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 05:51 PM
Could he at least try Justin leadoff? Then put Schafer second and bunt him over for Freddie and Gattis.

gtcway
09-17-2013, 05:59 PM
Team of Destiny? (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/40460/umm-yeah-here-come-the-nationals)

Edit..............

If not obvious, click on link :facepalm:

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:01 PM
It's worth discussing. We can at least neutralize it with a win tonight. We'll learn a lot more about the Braves this game.

Bdawg2309
09-17-2013, 06:01 PM
Put Elliot Johnson in the OF and put Gattis behind the plate Jesus jones....

or reed johnson

Garmel
09-17-2013, 06:03 PM
Team of Destiny? (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/40460/umm-yeah-here-come-the-nationals)

Edit..............

If not obvious, click on link :facepalm:

The media don't even try to hide their love for the Nats. Rather sickening if you ask me.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 06:12 PM
I wish someone would just blast one up the middle. Tired of seeing these little titty choppers.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 06:15 PM
I'm telling you now...this nationals team is just too lucky not to take the 2nd WC...

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:23 PM
So Gattis actually takes a pitch, and it's right down the middle.

buck7580
09-17-2013, 06:24 PM
Good start by Garcia.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:26 PM
Well some good luck to negate the bad luck.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:27 PM
Pop up.

Dalyn
09-17-2013, 06:28 PM
Laird. Uggla. Simmons? Simmons.

buck7580
09-17-2013, 06:28 PM
Uggla with another hit. Well now.

Dalyn
09-17-2013, 06:29 PM
Uggla with another hit. Well now.

http://files.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_1239/12397105/file/nature-makeover-day-2008-owl-small-61447.jpg

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:32 PM
Are you fcking kidding me?

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:35 PM
Yeah all that holding him on really did great. Focus on throwing strikes.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:37 PM
Throwing freaking batting practice. How about a better throw from RF?

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 06:53 PM
Wow...this little pecker head is just doing it all tonight.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:53 PM
:Sad:

Garmel
09-17-2013, 06:54 PM
Garcia isn't fooling anybody as of late. Not even the opposing pitcher.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:55 PM
Making some horrible 2-strike pitches.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 06:55 PM
Get in the damn box Span.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 06:56 PM
Wow...weird.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:56 PM
I don't give a **** if he just got himself thrown out at home, but Justin Upton needs to be ****ing benched for not backing up that throw. Complete BS.

Garmel
09-17-2013, 06:56 PM
I don't think I've seen that before.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 06:57 PM
And lol at Uggla.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 07:00 PM
Come on Livan Garcia.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:00 PM
More two-out walks.

Garmel
09-17-2013, 07:00 PM
Harper scares me to death in this situation.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:02 PM
How about we score some runs here?

Julio3000
09-17-2013, 07:04 PM
And lol at Uggla.

Hey, let's see Elliot Johnson do THAT.

buck7580
09-17-2013, 07:04 PM
http://files.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_1239/12397105/file/nature-makeover-day-2008-owl-small-61447.jpg

Uggla with new eyes?? After lasik!

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:06 PM
Omg Gattis...:facepalm:

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:09 PM
Every single one of those pitches they're bitching about is in the left-handed batter's box.

tvsportscaster
09-17-2013, 07:10 PM
And the Braves continue to be Tanner Roark's bitch.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 07:10 PM
Every single one of those pitches they're bitching about is in the left-handed batter's box.

Doesn't really matter if Laird titts can't hit the one down the middle.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 07:15 PM
Does anyone know the deal with Heyward?

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:16 PM
Why pitch out there behind 1-0 with a guy already on base

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:16 PM
For ****'s sake.

stpeteirish
09-17-2013, 07:17 PM
Does anyone know the deal with Heyward?

There's a story on MLB Braves site today. Not sure if you didn't see it or think there's more they left out.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:18 PM
Freddie is getting by. Would be nice if we could stop being a comatose offense against Verlander...I mean...Roark.

stpeteirish
09-17-2013, 07:19 PM
Freddy gets thru another inning. Score some runs guys!

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:23 PM
Through our lineup twice and dominating.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:28 PM
If a Brave hits that ball, Desmond catches it.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:33 PM
With a scrub pitcher only allowing one run in five innings, there's no way we shouldn't be able to win this game.

stpeteirish
09-17-2013, 07:37 PM
Freddy's somehow managed to get thru five innings nine baserunners and only one run.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:39 PM
Why are we so late on his fast ball?

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 07:40 PM
Why are we so late on his fast ball?

??????????

I honesty expected Justin to be a little bit bigger in this series.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 07:42 PM
Ok fine ill start begging. Guys pretty please hit the ball! Please! I can't bare this anymore.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:42 PM
Really had no idea we were facing Maddux tonight.

tvsportscaster
09-17-2013, 07:42 PM
The Braves are so not fun to watch right now. They are stinking it up bigtime. I smell a sweep and they didn't even have face Strasburg, Gonzalez or Zimmerman. How embarrassing would that be.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:43 PM
The Braves are so not fun to watch right now. They are stinking it up bigtime. I smell a sweep and they didn't even have face Strasburg, Gonzalez or Zimmerman. How embarrassing would that be.

They are pretty lifeless after blowing it this afternoon. Hardly unexpected. Hopefully we can salvage tomorrow, but Wood's going to need to step up.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:44 PM
Freddy is leaving way too many change-ups up in the zone. Better on the 1-2 pitch.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 07:47 PM
Freddy is leaving way too many change-ups up in the zone. Better on the 1-2 pitch.

I know but you wish you can talk bad about the poor bastard but you can't. He's pitched a decent ball game lol.

tvsportscaster
09-17-2013, 07:48 PM
They are pretty lifeless after blowing it this afternoon. Hardly unexpected. Hopefully we can salvage tomorrow, but Wood's going to need to step up.

It's inexcusable to be lifeless knowing, you're this close to clinching. That should be incentive, in addition to pushing the Nats further away from the playoff picture. They just need to get their heads out of their asses.

Bdawg2309
09-17-2013, 07:48 PM
No runs scored in 14ip vs Roark

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:49 PM
Yeah it's inexcusable we can't give him any run support. Our hitters have zero patience.

tvsportscaster
09-17-2013, 07:51 PM
I'm finished with this for tonight. I'm not going to continually sit through this crap.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:52 PM
Why not pinch hit McCann?

Garmel
09-17-2013, 07:52 PM
This **** is ridiculous.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:53 PM
Not much flare in the hitters tonight. Roark isn't bad, but he is not this good. Just gotta hope we keep shutting them down, and someone like Freddie runs into one.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 07:54 PM
I really don't know how much longer Livan Garcia can hold on b4 someone blast one about 440

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:55 PM
Gotta get these next two. Don't need the top of their order up again.

Garmel
09-17-2013, 07:57 PM
Thank God the Nats are taking out Roark.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 07:58 PM
Well, Freddy, you gave it a hell of an effort tonight. I salute you. Sorry we have a trash offense.

Garmel
09-17-2013, 07:58 PM
Garcia has out pitched our aces of late. Strange.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 07:59 PM
Stammen has good stuff. After he makes Uggla look like douche, I expect to see Mac

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:00 PM
Stammen has good stuff. After he makes Uggla look like douche, I expect to see Mac

Not with Fredi managing.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:02 PM
Uggla is ****ing infuriating to watch.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:03 PM
WHY THE FCK ELLIOT JOHNSON YOU FCKN MORON!?!?!?!??!?

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:03 PM
Good try, Simmons...

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:04 PM
WHY THE FCK ELLIOT JOHNSON YOU FCKN MORON!?!?!?!??!?

Told you. Fredi....

NYCBrave
09-17-2013, 08:04 PM
I'm now convinced you could put a beach chair up at the plate for Uggla and it would get as many walks and strikeouts as him. It's not as if he's working the count to draw as many walks as he does.

stpeteirish
09-17-2013, 08:05 PM
Uggla is ****ing infuriating to watch.

Yeah I'd rather watch Elliot Johnson. What a choice.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:05 PM
Now is when you PH Mac.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:05 PM
Told you. Fredi....

Well I stand corrected. Now inept Schafer....

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:06 PM
No excuse for Mac not to be hitting here with how much Jordan has struggled.

stpeteirish
09-17-2013, 08:07 PM
now steal third and hope for a wild pitch.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:08 PM
Good slider.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:08 PM
Did anyone really expect him to come through there? Why is it so damn complicated, Fredi? Why?


Why?


Why?

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:10 PM
No excuse for Mac not to be hitting here with how much Jordan has struggled.

Don't worry, barring any more runs from Nads...he will pinch hit Mac for Gattis

jpack1
09-17-2013, 08:10 PM
No reason to not fire your McCann bullet there. Schafer sucks. But what does our fearless leader do? Leaves Schafer to K. What an idiot.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:11 PM
I'm actually looking forward to someone defending it. I could care less if Mac isn't all that great pinch-hitting. He's still one of our three best hitters, which makes him infinitely better than a struggling 4th OF.

tvsportscaster
09-17-2013, 08:11 PM
Sad to say it but our CF situation is just sad right now. Neither BJ or Schafer are getting it done. It's a shame Reed Johnson is not ready to play. Also, we get a great effort from Freddy Garcia and it means nothing with this inept offense.

jpack1
09-17-2013, 08:12 PM
Even if we clinch fairly soon this is just more reason to get rid of Fredi. I mean he is garbage.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:13 PM
Welp, there it is. Night.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:13 PM
And that's all she wrote.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:14 PM
Folks, watch out for the Nats...they are coming for us.

jpack1
09-17-2013, 08:14 PM
What the hell has happened to our great pen. Man this team and organization are terrible in big spots. Freaking choke artists.

drewdat
09-17-2013, 08:14 PM
Zimmerman has been on fire of late. Hope that carries over to the links for him.

tvsportscaster
09-17-2013, 08:15 PM
Maybe Soriano will be the sucky Soriano tonight, but with the Braves offense it won't matter.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:16 PM
Our bullpen better get it together before October. Walden giving up some bombs.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:17 PM
Maybe Soriano will be the sucky Soriano tonight, but with the Braves offense it won't matter.

Lord no. He's going to slider Upton to death...Saw off Freeman's hands and strike Gattis out on three straight sliders.

Dalyn
09-17-2013, 08:18 PM
Lord no. He's going to slider Upton to death...Saw off Freeman's hands and strike Gattis out on three straight sliders.


I bet he challenges Gattis. Like an idiot.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:18 PM
Our OF is **** too.

Dalyn
09-17-2013, 08:19 PM
Schafer and Uggla really nailed that relay.

tvsportscaster
09-17-2013, 08:20 PM
Jordan Walden is really a concern right now. He has nothing since he returned from his groin problem. Right now you simply can't put him in a close ballgame. That's a real problem right now. He took it from the Braves at least having a fighters chance to none at all.

stpeteirish
09-17-2013, 08:20 PM
What the hell has happened to our great pen. Man this team and organization are terrible in big spots. Freaking choke artists.

Pen was the last pillar. Hitting and Starting pitching went south a while ago, now the pen. Our once formidable bench is now a liability. We may hang on to the division but we look like toast.

For all his resting of guys Fredi's teams sure do fade late in the year. There's no reason why we should be any more "tired" than the teams we play, but we sure look it.

jpack1
09-17-2013, 08:21 PM
We look like little leaguers. I still can't believe we lost that dang game this afternoon. That just sucked. Man we just suck.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:21 PM
Loe? Fredi be trolling lol.

Thanks, Walden.

At least giles will be happy tonight.

TXBravesFan
09-17-2013, 08:21 PM
Don't worry guys, Kam Loe is warming up.

Dalyn
09-17-2013, 08:21 PM
:fredi:

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:21 PM
That's alright we will get these fckn pussies back at the Ted one more time.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:21 PM
Jordan Walden is really a concern right now. He has nothing since he returned from his groin problem. Right now you simply can't put him in a close ballgame. That's a real problem right now. He took it from the Braves at least having a fighters chance to none at all.

Even more stellar was the he was left in for hard hit ball after hard hit ball.

jpack1
09-17-2013, 08:23 PM
This is just the norm for good braves teams lately. We are seemingly always limping into the playoffs looking like crap.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:24 PM
Oh NOW he gets a hit.

Garmel
09-17-2013, 08:25 PM
I wish this team would man up and grow a pair.

JusticeForAll23
09-17-2013, 08:25 PM
We suck right now.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:25 PM
Gattis, I swear to God. If you swing at the first pitch...

zitothebrave
09-17-2013, 08:26 PM
This team needs Heyward

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:27 PM
This team needs Heyward

I hope there is some urgency about getting him out there quickly as possible.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:28 PM
Justin has been really ****-tastic tonight.

jpack1
09-17-2013, 08:29 PM
We have got to be the stupidest team ever.

jpack1
09-17-2013, 08:30 PM
How stupid does J Up look now.

Garmel
09-17-2013, 08:31 PM
We have got to be the stupidest team ever.

No, just poorly coached.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:31 PM
Lol and Laird hits

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:33 PM
Yeah, I could understand him not hitting there more. A lot more than I could last inning when we were only down 1 with RISP.

Garmel
09-17-2013, 08:33 PM
Pathetic. Look at all of this offensive potential on paper and look at the results we get out of it.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:33 PM
8-game lead. Wood going tomorrow against another nobody that will shut us down.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:34 PM
Yeah, I could understand him not hitting there more. A lot more than I could last inning when we were only down 1 with RISP.

How?!? At best Mac hits a three run and cuts it to 1....then STRuggla and Simmons follow with good power.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:36 PM
How?!? At best Mac hits a three run and cuts it to 1....then STRuggla and Simmons follow with good power.

If Laird had reached, or if Justin hadn't gotten doubled off, we could have been in a situation where it's 4-3 with two on and the 9 spot up. I still would rather have seen Mac, but it wasn't as egregious as the previous inning.

jsebe10
09-17-2013, 08:38 PM
If Laird had reached, or if Justin hadn't gotten doubled off, we could have been in a situation where it's 4-3 with two on and the 9 spot up. I still would rather have seen Mac, but it wasn't as egregious as the previous inning.

You should kinda be glad Upton got doubled off bc Johnson's hit would have been a staggering twin killing. I take my chance with Mac than fat ass

Bdawg2309
09-17-2013, 08:39 PM
hitters need to get their heads out of their asses.

this team would be slumping regardless if heyward was in the lineup

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:40 PM
On another note, Garcia might back his way into the postseason rotation.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:42 PM
It's funny how much our broadcasters have to keep insisting it's not 2011. If it isn't, stop talking about it.

Dalyn
09-17-2013, 08:44 PM
On another note, Garcia might back his way into the postseason rotation.


At this point, I wouldn't scream if he made the bullpen. But the rotation? That would be disastrous. I am sure Fredi is giving it a lot of thought.

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 08:45 PM
At this point, I wouldn't scream if he made the bullpen. But the rotation? That would be disastrous. I am sure Fredi is giving it a lot of thought.

True but no more disastrous than Minor giving up three in the first. I really wish we had been able to get more relief pitching. Avilan's arm is falling off, and Walden isn't the same.

Bdawg2309
09-17-2013, 08:50 PM
mccann is 4-31 this month...
freeman 20-53
gattis 11-47
CJ 15-47
elliot 9-34
Laird 1-11
Schafer 6-30
simmons 11-46
Terdo 0-10
uggla 2-24
BJ 5-35
upton 10-47

Teheran_49
09-17-2013, 08:54 PM
Its unbearable to watch how poor this team is playing. What's with Atlanta teams being the biggest choke artists in their respective sports? Its tough to be a fan of teams in the state of Georgia sometimes....really really tough

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 09:05 PM
mccann is 4-31 this month...
freeman 20-53
gattis 11-47
CJ 15-47
elliot 9-34
Laird 1-11
Schafer 6-30
simmons 11-46
Terdo 0-10
uggla 2-24
BJ 5-35
upton 10-47

The two that stand out to me are Justin and Mac. Regardless of the suck that is BJuggla, those two have got to elevate their game. Justin may not be able to control the RBI thing with no presence at leadoff, but he can come up with hits in big situations more often.

MURF21
09-17-2013, 09:16 PM
Oh, to be back in those fine spring March and April days, with such high hopes for our revamped super star outfield! How the mighty have fallen!

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 09:22 PM
Alright, here is the path to success. Win one against the Cubs, one against the Brewers, one against the Phillies. Nats lose one to the Cardinals.

The Chosen One
09-17-2013, 09:53 PM
Crazy. Freddy has had two solid outings. Wish I could say the same for minor and Teheran

bravesnumberone
09-17-2013, 09:56 PM
Crazy. Freddy has had two solid outings. Wish I could say the same for minor and Teheran

He's almost this year's Ben Sheets, except we may legitimately have to use him in the playoffs.

Dalyn
09-17-2013, 11:16 PM
Alright, here is the path to success. Win one against the Cubs, one against the Brewers, one against the Phillies. Nats lose one to the Cardinals.

That's a path like diving off a cliff is a shortcut. Might get you where you are going, but you'll be in no shape to enjoy it.

Julio3000
09-18-2013, 07:56 AM
Zimmerman has been on fire of late. Hope that carries over to the links for him.

Nice.

Dunit24
09-18-2013, 07:58 AM
So we are 8 up on the Nats with 12 to play?

They play the Marlins, @Cards, @DBacks
We play @Cubs, Brewers, Phillies

Nats are playing great ball, and I see them sweeping the Marlins but not doing much against the Cards and DBacks.

BlackwaterPark
09-18-2013, 08:03 AM
We are going to ****ing limp into the playoffs

50PoundHead
09-18-2013, 08:11 AM
We are going to ****ing limp into the playoffs

My thoughts as well. The long run is comprised of a bunch of short runs and we are in a down cycle right now.

People wonder why I don't go all gaga over Minor and said I'd flip a coin between him and Medlen, but today is an example of why I feel that way. Big game that could put a spike in the coffin and he comes out and gives up a three-spot in the first.

For all the barking about Garcia, he's done fairly well in his last two starts. I don't look to him as a savior in any way and if he's on the 40-man through the winter, I'll sob (not really). But if Minor--of whom such a performance should be expected--would have done what Garcia did today, the magic number would be 2.

bravesnumberone
09-18-2013, 08:17 AM
Agreed. Even if we did rally and then blow it later, it's way harder to win when you're down early constantly. He has got to grow more of backbone in those situations.

I woke up in more disbelief that we lost that first game. When Kimbrel does melt down, he really does it at the worst possible times.

gilesfan
09-18-2013, 08:41 AM
In 5 years we will look back and laughed at this, but that is completely true about Kimbrel. He doesn't give up anything before the playoff stretch. Then he seems to be a bit off down the stretch every year.

50PoundHead
09-18-2013, 08:55 AM
In 5 years we will look back and laughed at this, but that is completely true about Kimbrel. He doesn't give up anything before the playoff stretch. Then he seems to be a bit off down the stretch every year.

Agreed on Kimbrel. Undoubtedly tired (mentally and physically) and pressing a bit.

bravesnumberone
09-18-2013, 09:13 AM
He just seems to think too much in situations like these.

In 2010, he lost Game 3 of the NLDS, although he had some very poor luck in that ninth inning.

Since he became full-time closer:

2011: Blew three saves in Sept. after having gone since May 18 without blowing one. One against Cardinals, one against Marlins and the season finale against the Phillies.
2012: He was pretty legendary. Only three scattered throughout the year.
2013: Blew one yesterday after having gone since May 7 without one.

This isn't to single him out. He's just critical to our success and we need him at this time of year more than ever.

gilesfan
09-18-2013, 09:18 AM
Depending on the importance he placed in the WBC, I believe he blew one there.

Julio3000
09-18-2013, 09:34 AM
I think everybody's worn out right now, mentally and physically. There isn't a pennant race to keep guys sharp. As important as HFA might be, it's just not as immediate a motivator as fighting for your playoff lives. I just think we need to clinch and relax.

zitothebrave
09-18-2013, 09:38 AM
He just seems to think too much in situations like these.

In 2010, he lost Game 3 of the NLDS, although he had some very poor luck in that ninth inning.

Since he became full-time closer:

2011: Blew three saves in Sept. after having gone since May 18 without blowing one. One against Cardinals, one against Marlins and the season finale against the Phillies.
2012: He was pretty legendary. Only three scattered throughout the year.
2013: Blew one yesterday after having gone since May 7 without one.

This isn't to single him out. He's just critical to our success and we need him at this time of year more than ever.

2011 I'm about 99% sure his blown saves were fatigue. Remember in 11 Fredi marched him and Johnny out there damned near every other day.

Yesterday was some bad luck for him. Sure the walks are what really killed him but he gave up one hit and the best SS in baseball made a bad error. Washington was stupid lucky yesterday. You don't score 6 runs on 11 baserunners too often, especially with only one double. Meanwhile we scored 5 on 9 but had 2 doubles and a homer. Teams were equal on stolen bases and errors. So the nats had 2 more men get on via the BB. Braves had an extra double and homer. Braves should have scored more runs and should have won. But we didn't. Sometimes the ball bounces that way.

bravesnumberone
09-18-2013, 10:05 AM
True, but again you can't walk people and expect to come out with good results there. If he goes out there today in the same situation, I've got all the confidence in the world he'll get the job done.

And yeah 2011, Kimbrel and Venters were shot. This is happening to Avilan especially this year.