6/18 Father's Day GDT: Miami Marlins (30-36) at Atlanta Braves (30-37)

[WaitingFor2017]

Miami Marlins (30-36)
Gordon 2B
Stanton RF
Yelich CF
Ozuna LF
Bour 1B
Dietrich 3B
Ellis C
Riddle SS
Urena P

Atlanta Braves (30-37)
Inciarte CF
Phillips 2B
Markakis RF
Kemp LF
Adams 1B
Suzuki C
Swanson SS
Ruiz 3B
Foltynewicz P

I still question why Game7 has Suzuki hitting 6th. Yes, he homered last game, but he is still OPSing .412 in June as he is only 2-21 in the month. Rio Ruiz is only 3-29 in June and has a .498 OPS. So, Swanson is surrounded by guys who are a combined 5-50 this month. He will get a lot of pitches to hit today....:facepalm:

[nsacpi]

expecting a yuge game from Kemp

[Horsehide Harry]

Stanton going to hit one to South America off Folty unless he keeps his head.

[Garmel]

Quick inning for Folty but he left a lot of pitches in the middle of the plate. He won't get away with it long with this lineup.

[jpx7]

****, I loathe listening to Joe Simpson.

[Hudson2]

Matt Adams looks pissed off now lol. I'd love to see that dude charge the mound

[jpx7]

That was a pretty great choke-job.

[bravesfanMatt]

I thought the play at the plate was going to be close.. KEMvP was out by 20 feet..

[msstate7]

I thought the play at the plate was going to be close.. KEMvP was out by 20 feet..

He's not the MVP for his baserunning haha

[Garmel]

Awful

[Hudson2]

So who does Folty hit 1st?

[WaitingFor2017]

Surely Urena wasn't trash-talking Adams on the way back to the dugout. If so, Urena deserves one in the throat this upcoming inning.

[WaitingFor2017]

It would be typical Folty to allow the Marlins to put a 3 spot on the board here in this inning because his team choked in the previous inning.

[UNCBlue012]

Scoring in the situation is actually easy... lol

[jpx7]

"Ten RBI—and I don't know why I'm always drawn to that, when a guys on a hot streak, how many runs he's driving in ..."

Because you're terrible, Joe; because you're terrible.

[WaitingFor2017]

3 HBP by Urena now.

I really don't trust Folty in hitting a batter because it could be his undoing.

Let Vizcaino or another fast reliever do it later in the game.

[jpx7]

"I wonder if soccer players ever get confused when we say 'here's the pitch', and they think we're saying 'here's the field'."
-- Chip

I'm out.

[Enscheff]

Folty would be throwing 104 if he had Newks gun pointed at him

[Enscheff]

Urena would be throwing 106 with Newks gun, and half of you would believe it haha.

[CyYoung31]

"I wonder if soccer players ever get confused when we say 'here's the pitch', and they think we're saying 'here's the field'."
-- Chip

I'm out.

I'm lost.

[Garmel]

Urena would be throwing 106 with Newks gun, and half of you would believe it haha.

No, that's way too much. However, it's still more believable than you being involved in MMA type of training.

[Enscheff]

When Folty isn't throwing fastballs belt high in the middle of the plate, he does well.

[Enscheff]

No, that's way too much. However, it's still more believable than you being involved in MMA type of training.

Lol, shall we place stakes on a bet?

Let me guess....no.

[msstate7]

Bour up with bases loaded... we bout to lose

[UNCBlue012]

Dumbass Folty. Come on, man.

[Enscheff]

Folty needs to stop the bleeding at 2 runs. Seems like we say this every single start he has.

[Garmel]

Lol, shall we place stakes on a bet?

Let me guess....no.

I've caught you too many times contradicting yourself to believe anything you say. You're probably living in your mom's basement. You live through life trying to prove you're smarter/better than others to make up for your own feelings of inadequacy.

[msstate7]

Bour is 29? Had no idea he was that old

[TheBravos]

Mad Folty...pull him quick

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Kinda wish Folty had just thrown at people since we were done with offense after the multi-HBP inning.

Also, every Folty strike looks more or less down the middle.

[Enscheff]

He's been hurt on fastballs right down the middle this whole inning. Gets behind, then has to split the middle of the plate.

[Enscheff]

I've caught you too many times contradicting yourself to believe anything you say. You're probably living in your mom's basement. You live through life trying to prove you're smarter/better than others to make up for your own feelings of inadequacy.

Haha another clown trying to make himself feel better by saying I'm a loser in my moms basement.

So stakes on a bet?

[Garmel]

Haha another clown trying to make himself feel better by saying I'm a loser in my moms basement.

So stakes on a bet?

How do you prove you're involved in MMA? Tells me right there you're shady.

[Enscheff]

How do you prove you're involved in MMA? Tells me right there you're shady.

Pictures training at a fight gym. Pretty simple.

What else have I lied about?

Again, stakes on a bet, or are you just shooting your loser mouth off?

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Is anyone else pretty mad that we've been hit by 4 pitches and are being shut out?

[Garmel]

Pictures training at a fight gym. Pretty simple.

What else have I lied about?

Again, stakes on a bet, or are you just shooting your loser mouth off?

Dude, I'm not stupid. I can get those kind of pictures off the net and look like Chuck Norris too. Just admit you're a whiny loser in life that's trying to make himself bigger than he really is. Probably got your ass kicked every day in high school by the cool kids and this is your way of getting back at them in your deluded mind.

[msstate7]

Is anyone else pretty mad that we've been hit by 4 pitches and are being shut out?

No one showed up, but KEMvP and KEMvP is all-the-sudden tony Gwynn, not Sammy Sosa

[Enscheff]

Dude, I'm not stupid. I can get those kind of pictures off the net and look like Chuck Norris too. Just admit you're a whiny loser in life that's trying to make himself bigger than he really is. Probably got your ass kicked every day in high school by the cool kids and this is your way of getting back at them in your deluded mind.

Lol ok buddy. Whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better.

Either put some stakes on your assertions and be proven wrong, or go sit quietly in your safe place.

[Garmel]

Lol ok buddy. Whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better.

Either put some stakes on your assertions and be proven wrong, or go sit quietly in your safe place.

I don't put up stakes with those I know are liars.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Dude, I'm not stupid. I can get those kind of pictures off the net and look like Chuck Norris too. Just admit you're a whiny loser in life that's trying to make himself bigger than he really is. Probably got your ass kicked every day in high school by the cool kids and this is your way of getting back at them in your deluded mind.
I would demand a video posted of a guy yelling "I am Enscheff!!!" crazily throughout an MMA bout - kinda of like "THIS IS SPARTAAA". (I am joking because I think it would be entertaining - don't actually do this)

[UNCBlue012]

CAMARGO

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

CAMARGO

Heck Yes! This is what I was waiting for.

[thethe]

Camargo should get a look as the long term third baseman.

[Enscheff]

I don't put up stakes with those I know are liars.

lol how angry can a snowflake be just because he was stupid enough to believe a hot radar gun? It was days ago man, let it go. It's not like we didn't already know how stupid you are.

Dude, you're an idiot and you were proven wrong immediately after throwing a tantrum. It happened, but it's ok. Not everyone can apply simple logic to situations.

It's why you make a low middle class wage at a menial job. Actually, you were probably automated out of a job by one of my fellow engineers. You don't have to take it out on me though.

[msstate7]

Very nice work by the 3 rookies after Suzuki got it started

[UNCBlue012]

Yeah, I expected Ruiz to impress me and falling in love with the idea of Camargo at third.

[msstate7]

Come on Phillips

[nsacpi]

some outstanding clutchness and very good veteran mentoring of the rookies this inning

[Enscheff]

Wtf was he thinking? Going to steal 3rd with 2 outs? Jesus.

[Garmel]

lol how angry can a snowflake be just because he was stupid enough to believe a hot radar gun? It was days ago man, let it go. It's not like we didn't already know how stupid you are.

Dude, you're an idiot and you were proven wrong immediately after throwing a tantrum. It happened, but it's ok. Not everyone can apply simple logic to situations.

It's why you make a low middle class wage at a menial job. Actually, you were probably automated out of a job by one of my fellow engineers. You don't have to take it out on me though.

I'm not mad at all. I admitted I was wrong. I can learn through my mistakes unlike you. How little do you know about me. I actually have done pretty well for myself. The scary thing is that you don't understand how pathetic you sound every day. You make up stories and try to make yourself smarter/ better than others. I guess some people are impressed by it. Most here are not. Most see you for who you really are, an assclown.

[msstate7]

Smh

[Garmel]

That lead didn't last long.

[Enscheff]

I'm not mad at all. I admitted I was wrong. I can learn through my mistakes unlike you. How little do you know about me. I actually have done pretty well for myself. The scary thing is that you don't understand how pathetic you sound every day. You make up stories and try to make yourself smarter/ better than others. I guess some people are impressed by it. Most here are not. Most see you for who you really are, an assclown.

Really? You seem extra butt hurt about it.

Ah well, just another derptard that had literally never been right in any post he's ever made.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

At least we actually scored runs on the HBP master. I would be okay with a rule with a 1 year suspension for the pitcher with the most hit batsman every year (above a certain low threshold).

[Enscheff]

Hey Garmel, how hard is Ramirez throwing? 102?

[Garmel]

Hey Garmel, how hard is Ramirez throwing? 102?

Still trying to feel big, little man? Oh no! I better be careful! You might beat me up with your MMA training! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

[jpx7]

MMA is lame.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

MMA is lame.

I prefer boxing as a sport.

[Garmel]

Camargo should get a look as the long term third baseman.

Until the off season when we can get a real 3rd baseman.

[jpx7]

I prefer boxing as a sport.

I prefer hiking.

[jpx7]

I'm lost.

No you're not; Chip is.

[Garmel]

I would demand a video posted of a guy yelling "I am Enscheff!!!" crazily throughout an MMA bout - kinda of like "THIS IS SPARTAAA". (I am joking because I think it would be entertaining - don't actually do this)

The only video he probably has is he and his boyfriend making out. I definitely don't want to see that.

[Enscheff]

The only video he probably has is he and his boyfriend making out. I definitely don't want to see that.

All this because you were too stupid to realize the gun pointing at Newk was wrong.

It's ok bud. Really, it's ok. You don't have to be so angry.

No amount of silly attempts at talking **** is going to change the fact that you are a moron. Just accept it, maybe even embrace how stupid you are.

[Garmel]

All this because you were too stupid to realize the gun pointing at Newk was wrong.

It's ok bud. Really, it's ok. You don't have to be so angry.

No amount of silly attempts at talking **** is going to change the fact that you are a moron. Just accept it, maybe even embrace how stupid you are.

No, it's all of this because you're an idiot who doesn't know how to act like an adult.

[sturg33]

goodness....

[Enscheff]

No, it's all of this because you're an idiot who doesn't know how to act like an adult.

Ah yes, you're quite the model of maturity.

I didn't even know who you were until Friday, but now that I do I'll be sure to include you in the list of resident morons that frequent this board.

Welcome to the Goof Troop! Report to your leader, clv. Derrrrrrp!!

[jpack1]

What are the odds of that happening 2 days in a row?

[Enscheff]

Sweet 5 infielders. Don't get to see this often.

[msstate7]

What are the odds of that happening 2 days in a row?

100%

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

[Garmel]

Ah yes, you're quite the model of maturity.

I didn't even know who you were until Friday, but now that I do I'll be sure to include you in the list of resident morons that frequent this board.

Welcome to the Goof Troop! Report to your leader, clv. Derrrrrrp!!

Cool. I hope you put me on ignore, Mr. Man-child.

[Garmel]

Awesome

[Enscheff]

Well that was a gift!

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

What a win.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Sweet 5 infielders. Don't get to see this often.

I think we might have seen why today- guys don't know their roles.

[UNCBlue012]

Phillips ❤️

[thethe]

Team is never out of a game. Can't wait till yhe young pitching starts to come up!

[msstate7]

Team is never out of a game. Can't wait till yhe young pitching starts to come up!

Weigel says it may be a min. Jeez... what happened to him today?

[UNCBlue012]

Weigel says it may be a min. Jeez... what happened to him today? it was one game! It happens!

[Russ2dollas]

Camargo should get a look as the long term third baseman.

No. I don't think he hits nearly enough.

He needs to be Omar infante

[50PoundHead]

I think you may be selling Camargo short. I think his long-term future is as a utility man, but I don't see anyone on the roster right now who would be a markedly better 3B than he is.

[nsacpi]

Sample is relatively small but Camargo did have an OPS of .853 in AAA versus .752 for Ruiz.

Coming into this season Ruiz had been the better hitting prospect. I don't think the sample this season is enough to overturn that quite yet. But we'll see. I'm ok with them splitting playing time about evenly for now. Let's see how it plays out.

[Enscheff]

Sample is relatively small but Camargo did have an OPS of .853 in AAA versus .752 for Ruiz.

Coming into this season Ruiz had been the better hitting prospect. I don't think the sample this season is enough to overturn that quite yet. But we'll see. I'm ok with them splitting playing time about evenly for now. Let's see how it plays out.

One thing is for sure, Camargo is good enough to hold down 2B after Phillips is traded and for the early part of 2018 until Albies is called up.

[zbhargrove]

Camargo is very interesting. He was always great defensively but made some well documented adjustments at the plate and it has worked out thus far. Could be our next Prado.

[sturg33]

Yeah - I actually feel like Carmargo is really valuable as a SS on a rookie deal.

[clvclv]

Interesting note - 2016 Braves didn't win their 31st game until July 10th.

Take that for what it's worth.

[Julio3000]

Like 50, I've been a fan of Camargo for a while. I'm not sure if he's going to have enough pop to really stick at third, but he seems to be able to barrel the ball up fairly readily, and it looks to me like he has some room to bulk up a bit. I hope he gets a chance to make an impression.

[zbhargrove]

I have little confidence in Ruiz. I'd like to see Camargo play third the rest of the year to see what we have.

[msstate7]

Could Phillips play 3b? Assuming he actually can and will, it'd be nice to sign him a 2-year contract and have Albies at 2b.

[Garmel]

Could Phillips play 3b? Assuming he actually can and will, it'd be nice to sign him a 2-year contract and have Albies at 2b.

Not an idea I would try. His BABIP is artificially high and he wouldn't bring enough offense to the position. His age is also a huge problem.

[auyushu]

Not a good idea. His BABIP is artificially high and he wouldn't bring enough offense to the position. His age is also a huge problem.

Beyond that, he doesn't have anywhere close to having the arm to play 3rd these days.

[Garmel]

Beyond that, he doesn't have anywhere close to having the arm to play 3rd these days.

That too.

[thethe]

Did some quick number crunching and it looks like the Braves might surpass last years attendance by 600K. That would be a nice bump for the opening park.

[clvclv]

Did some quick number crunching and it looks like the Braves might surpass last years attendance by 600K. That would be a nice bump for the opening park.

Good thing - needed to pay Big Sexy!!!

:facepalm:

[thethe]

Good thing - needed to pay Big Sexy!!!

:facepalm:

What a disaster that was. Even still...there is no more outrage over poor attendance. Braves could find a way to be in top 10 this year of the uptick mirrors last year's uptick.

[sturg33]

Did some quick number crunching and it looks like the Braves might surpass last years attendance by 600K. That would be a nice bump for the opening park.

Right now we're averaging a 22% increase, whereas MLB average is around 30% for new parks/

[thethe]

Right now we're averaging a 22% increase, whereas MLB average is around 30% for new parks/

You have to account for the bump after June 23rd. Last year the braves saw a 17% increase in games after June 23rd in comparison to the games prior. When you bake that into the numbers for 2017 and project i have the increase at 33.27% for the year.

[sturg33]

You have to account for the bump after June 23rd. Last year the braves saw a 17% increase in games after June 23rd in comparison to the games prior. When you bake that into the numbers for 2017 and project i have the increase at 33.27% for the year.

I don't understand why a bump after June 23rd would matter. We're talking % here

If we're averaging 22% more than last year now, why wouldn't we continue to average ~22% above last year.

[msstate7]

Right now we're averaging a 22% increase, whereas MLB average is around 30% for new parks/

I'd like to know how many new parks went down in capacity

[thethe]

I don't understand why a bump after June 23rd would matter. We're talking % here

If we're averaging 22% more than last year now, why wouldn't we continue to average ~22% above last year.

Because the Braves average more per game after a certain point in time because kids were not in school anymore. You have to assume a similar increase in 2017 from the dates prior to June 23rd 2017.

[jpx7]

I'd like to know how many new parks went down in capacity

Or moved to a different city/county in the suburbs.

[sturg33]

Because the Braves average more per game after a certain point in time because kids were not in school anymore. You have to assume a similar increase in 2017 from the dates prior to June 23rd 2017.

I understand that.

So we got a bump last year at June 23rd.

This year we will get a bump at June 23rd + 22%

Meaning, we will be around 22% over last year's attendance.

What you're saying now is that we will get last year's bump + the 22% increase to new stadium + another ~20% (for some reason) to get us to your number.

That doesn't make any sense

[sturg33]

I'd like to know how many new parks went down in capacity

I think most of them did - or at least we around the same. The Braves went down more than most but I don't think it much matters because we never hit the old capacity anyway

[thethe]

I understand that.

So we got a bump last year at June 23rd.

This year we will get a bump at June 23rd + 22%

Meaning, we will be around 22% over last year's attendance.

What you're saying now is that we will get last year's bump + the 22% increase to new stadium + another ~20% (for some reason) to get us to your number.

That doesn't make any sense

Your 22% bump is based on average attendance last year in comparison to this year. Last years average attendance is including an increase in attendance after June 23rd. This years average is not. The average attendance in 2017 will increase over time.

[sturg33]

Your 22% bump is based on average attendance last year in comparison to this year. Last years average attendance is including an increase in attendance after June 23rd. This years average is not. The average attendance in 2017 will increase over time.

Got it. Yes - that makes sense. My bad.

Need to look at what the attendance was per game last year up until this point. Not sure how to find that

[msstate7]

I think most of them did - or at least we around the same. The Braves went down more than most but I don't think it much matters because we never hit the old capacity anyway

Or matters with % bc we would go over current capacity for certain games now which would raise %

[thethe]

Got it. Yes - that makes sense. My bad

No worries. The attendance trends are very positive so far. I just hope the bump is sustainable moving forward as it woudl give the Braves ability to spend more organizationally.

[msstate7]

No worries. The attendance trends are very positive so far. I just hope the bump is sustainable moving forward as it woudl give the Braves ability to spend more organizationally.

No idea on that, but I had a much better time at suntrust

[thethe]

No idea on that, but I had a much better time at suntrust

I can't wait to get down there. If the population trends in general for Cobb County continue then the Braves may have an extremely profitable operation which is very different from what it was in Atlanta.

[sturg33]

OK... so I did actually count the Braves first 33 games last year and compared to first 33 games this year.

This year they are pulling exactly 30% more than last year.

Which is about average. But better than what I was counting before.

[thethe]

Got it. Yes - that makes sense. My bad.

Need to look at what the attendance was per game last year up until this point. Not sure how to find that

I can share my spreadsheet if you want but you just have to export the schedule from espn which shows attendance by game. Games before June 23rd the Braves are seeing a 33.27% increase in attendance.