6/22 GDT: San Francisco Giants (27-47) vs. Atlanta Braves (33-38)

[WaitingFor2017]

San Francisco Giants (27-47)
Tomlinson 3B
Panik 2B
Pence RF
Posey 1B
Slater LF
Crawford SS
Hundley C
Hernandez CF
Cain P



Atlanta Braves (33-38)
Inciarte CF
Phillips 2B
Markakis RF
Kemp LF
Adams 1B
Suzuki C
Swanson SS
Camargo 3B
Garcia P

Still have no idea why Suzuki isn't hitting 8th whenever he starts...

[nsacpi]

expecting a yuge game from Markakis

[thethe]

I think Snit listneed to me a few games back when I said camArgo should be the everyday 3B.

[Enscheff]

Ruiz was hitting .194, Adonis is hurt...didn't take much brain power to reach that conclusion lol.

[WaitingFor2017]

The Giants are old, not good, and have a pretty bad farm system.

Should they begin their rebuild this offseason ala Atlanta's 2014 offseason, in trading off their main guns in Posey, Crawford, Belt, and Pence just to replenish their farm system? In looking at their contract situations, all of them have huge contracts, so it might be a harder sell than one thought. Crawford starts making 15 million a year next year (through 2021), Belt makes 17 million a year next year (through 2021), Posey makes 22 million a year with an option in 2022, and Pence makes 18.5 million a year through 2018. Pence may be doable if they eat salary, but the others will be harder to trade. I can see Posey being their Freeman in keeping the most popular Giant to appease the fanbase.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

I think Snit listneed to me a few games back when I said camArgo should be the everyday 3B.

But he really chose Freddie? Haha.

[jpack1]

Any word on start time?

[jpx7]

The Giants are old, not good, and have a pretty bad farm system.

Should they begin their rebuild this offseason ala Atlanta's 2014 offseason, in trading off their main guns in Posey, Crawford, Belt, and Pence just to replenish their farm system? In looking at their contract situations, all of them have huge contracts, so it might be a harder sell than one thought. Crawford starts making 15 million a year next year (through 2021), Belt makes 17 million a year next year (through 2021), Posey makes 22 million a year with an option in 2022, and Pence makes 18.5 million a year through 2018. Pence may be doable if they eat salary, but the others will be harder to trade. I can see Posey being their Freeman in keeping the most popular Giant to appease the fanbase.

Most of those contracts I understand, given their core's championship success; but how the hell is Belt set to be paid $17 million a year through 2021?

[Southcack77]

Most of those contracts I understand, given their core's championship success; but how the hell is Belt set to be paid $17 million a year through 2021?

Posey would be the guy to trade. He's good enough at his position and only 30 to be worth it. An AL team could DH him as well. Boston or Texas makes sense, but what about something really interesting like Houston.

You could move Pence but not sure what you'd get back for him.

Belt actually has somewhat surprisingly to me been an off and on 4 WAR player. But I don't think anyone would fall over themselves trying to get him at 17 million per given what we know about the 1B market.

[The Chosen One]

Ty for proper GDT.

[jpx7]

Ty for proper GDT.

Who's Ty?

[nsacpi]

Who's Ty?

the late bloomer

[nsacpi]

Ty for proper GDT.

was something improper about yesterday's

[Garmel]

Garcia with an easy 1st.

[msstate7]

Markakis

[jpack1]

It's probably not going to work out but. Add FF to this lineup and it's a pretty good lineup

[Garmel]

Hitting to right field is just crazy good here at Suntrust.

[sturg33]

I really hope we can trade one of Kemp/Markakis this deadline.

[bravesfanMatt]

A lot of pitches up.. not where I-me can live..

[sturg33]

Giving up a 2-out, 2-run double from an opposite field off the wall hit to the opposing pitcher is pretty hard to believe

[Garmel]

Good thing is that this isn't the Cain of old. We should put up more runs.

[bravesfanMatt]

Good thing is that this isn't the Cain of old. We should put up more runs.

I was about to type this.. 3 runs will not win this game.

[msstate7]

You two have talked up an 8 ip 2 er gem for Cain haha

[Garmel]

You two have talked up an 8 ip 2 er gem for Cain haha

Heh heh. Probably.

[msstate7]

Ff makes that play easily

[Enscheff]

Camargo is good.

[Enscheff]

And now we see Kemp not get to a ball that was probably a 50/50 ball or easier.

[sturg33]

How does Matt Kemp not catch that?

And I look forward to the "Kemp hasn't cost us any runs" posts 2 weeks from now

[Garmel]

Most LFs would have got that one.

[msstate7]

Get Garcia out before he kills our OFers

[Enscheff]

I'm surprised Inciarte didn't catch that. He didn't realize where the walk was.

[TheBravos]

My money is on an announcement that Garcia is going on the DL after this game. He doesn't look right at all.

[Enscheff]

My money is on an announcement that Garcia is going on the DL after this game. He doesn't look right at all.

I'll take that bet. This is just how underwhelming his stuff is.

[Garmel]

Looks like Garcia's beginning to normalize.

[msstate7]

LF defense on display tonight

[Enscheff]

That has to be the worst throw I've ever seen lol

[msstate7]

Damn... he makes the catch ender didn't

[Garmel]

I thought that shot by Kemp was gone. Great catch by Hernandez.

[msstate7]

Flyball = hr for adams

[Enscheff]

Adams' HR/FB rate is normalizing...to 50%!

[UNCBlue012]

Adams, man...

[msstate7]

Adams' HR/FB rate is normalizing...to 50%!

Think he'll end up around 48% over 500 PAs

[Enscheff]

Think he'll end up around 48% over 500 PAs

At this point I don't see why not.

[Southcack77]

Think he'll end up around 48% over 500 PAs

22.2% coming in to tonight, so he's got room to run then.

[msstate7]

22.2% coming in to tonight, so he's got room to run then.

He's getting hot. Launch angle and such

[msstate7]

Serious question... IBB inciarte?

[bravesfanMatt]

Serious question... IBB inciarte?

I wouldn't.

[msstate7]

I wouldn't.

And neither did they. Inciarte has been a hit machine this series though. Of course, not there

[Garmel]

If Jaime can just eek out a couple of good innings we'll take the lead.

[msstate7]

If Jaime can just eek out a couple of good innings we'll take the lead.

That's like asking matt Adams to not launch a homerun every other game

[Southcack77]

Matt Adams now has 12 homers in 121 at bats with the #Braves.

20 of his 35 hits with Atlanta have gone for extra bases (7 2B, 1 3B, 12 HR)
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[msstate7]

Glad we didn't PH for Garcia

[Garmel]

****ing Garcia. How do you give up six runs to this **** offense?

[bravesfanMatt]

I think I-me should throw some more pitches around letter high. It is really working.

[msstate7]

Garcia will turn into colon before we can trade him.

[Ozzie Swanson]

Love Ender but he never seems to get a clutch hit for us.

[msstate7]

dWAR baby

[Garmel]

Hursh came close to getting knocked out.

[msstate7]

Hursh came close to getting knocked out.
We might have to make a move tomorrow. I bet his upper arm is gonna be sore

[WaitingFor2017]

BPHILLIPS

THAT DUDE BP

[Enscheff]

We just saw Kemp's absolute max range on a routine fly ball haha.

[Garmel]

I guess all that running has Kemp's hamstring squawking.

[Julio3000]

Got to chalk that up to the hamstring, but that's another issue in itself, I guess.

[Enscheff]

That ball was in the air and stayed in the park. I'm in shock.

[Julio3000]

He may as well just play.

He could just hit HR and jog around the bases.

It's not like running at full speed in the OF has helped that much.

[mfree80]

That ball was in the air and stayed in the park. I'm in shock.

Moral victory for the Giants. RBI Single but not a homer!

[jpx7]

Baseball's a funny game.

[mossy]

Man, such a good bench player.

[msstate7]

Come on swanson and lil cargo

[msstate7]

I feel like Hursh has to hit here because you've already used Santana and have a short bench. You never know about this pen.
This is game 7. No way we miss out on chance to pile on in championship game

[WaitingFor2017]

Why not use Teheran to PH here and bunt?

Nevermind!

[msstate7]

Snit knows what's up

[CrimsonCowboy]

never mind. Wouldn't work

[Garmel]

Kemp's out of the game and Brandon looks like he's in pain. Might be a costly victory.

[WaitingFor2017]

TWO seven-run innings this series?

What the hell is going on?

[WaitingFor2017]

Kemp's out of the game and Brandon looks like he's in pain. Might be a costly victory.

Snit may be down to just Flowers on the bench if Peterson has to come in here in the 6th.

[bravesfanMatt]

mercy rule please. This poor guy can't get anyone out and I don't think they have much left in the pen.

[msstate7]

Who coming in? Luke? Really hope whoever it is can finish it

[Garmel]

Adams hits a flyball for an out!

[Southcack77]

mercy rule please. This poor guy can't get anyone out and I don't think they have much left in the pen.

i think atlanta is in the top half again for runs!

[thethe]

i think atlanta is in the top half again for runs!

Sample size not large enough yet...

[WaitingFor2017]

That dude fell on purpose against the Freeze.

[sturg33]

Shame we blew that other game this series... would be in striking distance of 500

[thethe]

Shame we blew that other game this series... would be in striking distance of 500

In a easily winnable hame. Brutal.

[thewupk]

Sample size not large enough yet...

Wait till the end of July

[thewupk]

In a easily winnable hame. Brutal.

That's baseball

[thethe]

Wait till the end of July

Hasn't stopped many from saying tthis was a bad offense.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Welcome to be famous on the internet dude
878097551265869824

[msstate7]

Hasn't stopped many from saying tthis was a bad offense.

If stat supports what you want, ample sample size. If stat doesn't support what you want, sss

[msstate7]

I thought lane would get a start tomorrow, but he probably blew that

[Garmel]

Game's getting too close.

[praeceps93]

I thought lane would get a start tomorrow, but he probably blew that

Eh. Looked like he was pulling up to avoid Ender. Still should make that catch at the big league level, but in general his defense is solid

[msstate7]

Viz can't get pence out

[msstate7]

Eh. Looked like he was pulling up to avoid Ender. Still should make that catch at the big league level, but in general his defense is solid

On the year, he has 3 POs and 2 errors

[Enscheff]

If stat supports what you want, ample sample size. If stat doesn't support what you want, sss

Wait, what am I missing? Is the Atlanta offense suddenly ranked near the top of MLB in any significant offensive category?

Do we have different definitions of the word "good" floating around this message board?

[msstate7]

Wait, what am I missing? Is the Atlanta offense suddenly ranked near the top of MLB in any significant offensive category?

Do we have different definitions of the word "good" floating around this message board?

Their spat is over the braves being a top half offense. I think anyway... it's late

[thewupk]

Hasn't stopped many from saying tthis was a bad offense.

Statistically speaking it's been below average for most of the season. This recent good stretch has pushed them to the average area.

[Garmel]

You've got to be kidding me. Look what the Giants are doing.

[WaitingFor2017]

Viz for closer please.

[Garmel]

We survived!

[msstate7]

Good win

[thewupk]

Man our pitching is horrible

[bravesfanMatt]

what a horrible ending.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Whew
http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

[bravesfanMatt]

Man our pitching is horrible

JJ/Viz/Jo-Ram are being over used.. and they are having to deal with crap like that. 2 blops and a mental fart doesn't make your job easy.

[msstate7]

Jim Johnson pretty unlucky that inning. 2 bloops and then a terrible misplay by Santana

[FUEagle]

Sheesh. Way to make it interesting.

[chopdrew]

Careful not to get too excited about how this team fights, guys. A certain someone will be happy to pull out his abacus and tell you why you're wrong. Winning's always better than losing. Even if it means no Seth Beer.

[msstate7]

JJ/Viz/Jo-Ram are being over used.. and they are having to deal with crap like that. 2 blops and a mental fart doesn't make your job easy.

How long before aj gives them a little breather?

[thewupk]

At least our 1 run record is improving

[bravesfanMatt]

How did they not give Santana an error on that play.

[CrimsonCowboy]

878111294137679872

[thethe]

Statistically speaking it's been below average for most of the season. This recent good stretch has pushed them to the average area.

So your first statement is irrelevant then.

[msstate7]

How did they not give Santana an error on that play.

Fielder's choice... he chose no one

[WaitingFor2017]

878111294137679872

In other words, Santana and Peterson will start tomorrow

Inciarte
Santana
Markakis
Flowers
Adams
Swanson
Peterson
Camargo
Foltynewicz

Lineup suffers without Kemp and Phillips.

[chopdrew]

In other words, Santana and Peterson will start tomorrow

Inciarte
Santana
Markakis
Flowers
Adams
Swanson
Peterson
Camargo
Foltynewicz

Lineup suffers without Kemp and Phillips.

We've got Matt Adams. Nothing else matters.

[Southcack77]

Statistically speaking it's been below average for most of the season. This recent good stretch has pushed them to the average area.


i think you owe Ben Braves fan in some apparently very distinguished chat room an apology for suggesting the Braves were not in the top half in runs. Ben just operates a few hours ahead of the rest of us.

[thewupk]

So your first statement is irrelevant then.

It's not if people have been claiming the offense has been good the majority of the season because that is simply not true.

[bravesfanMatt]

JJ blew the save for Newks 1st win last night... almost blew the save for Hursh first win... Congrats to Hursh tho!!

[thewupk]

i think you owe Ben Braves fan in some apparently very distinguished chat room an apology for suggesting the Braves were not in the top half in runs. Ben just operates a few hours ahead of the rest of us.

If I could time travel the Braves rankings on offense would be the least of my concerns.

[Southcack77]

It's not if people have been claiming the offense has been good the majority of the season because that is simply not true.

I sure don't know who said the Braves offense would be good.

You were the one that was adamant that it would not be average or middle of the pack, but BAD.

Don't be changing your story now.

[Southcack77]

If I could time travel the Braves rankings on offense would be the least of my concerns.


That's a tough one. Using it to score points on the internet would be extremely tempting.

[thewupk]

I sure don't know who said the Braves offense would be good.

You were the one that was adamant that it would not be average or middle of the pack, but BAD.

Don't be changing your story now.

What are you talking about? There are people that think the Braves have a good offense. Statistically speaking that has not been the case this season. They were squarely below average until their series with the Giants. What that has to do with my prediction of them being a bottom 3rd offense at the start of the season I have no idea.

[thewupk]

Braves are 14th in runs scored and 18th in team WRC+. We've made it to the big time.

[sturg33]

I think braves #1 in runs in June though

[Super]

Braves are 14th in runs scored and 18th in team WRC+. We've made it to the big time.

Not bottom third.
Of course they could end up there pretty easily.

[thewupk]

I think braves #1 in runs in June though

3rd in total runs but 17th in team WRC+

[thewupk]

Not bottom third.
Of course they could end up there pretty easily.

You are right they aren't. We will see where they are after they go through the July schedule.

[msstate7]

You are right they aren't. We will see where they are after they go through the July schedule.

I think everyone knows you're pulling for a collapse in July. Hope you're disappointed

[thewupk]

I think everyone knows you're pulling for a collapse in July. Hope you're disappointed

Just pointing out the Braves have had the easiest schedule in baseball to this point and it's going to get a lot tougher in July. I feel the team record is a little inflated due to that.

[Super]

I think everyone knows you're pulling for a collapse in July. Hope you're disappointed

It's pretty sad.

[thewupk]

It's pretty sad.

Acting you like you know what other people think or want is indeed sad.

[Enscheff]

It's pretty sad.

As sad as googling someone's forum name to internet stalk them?

[chop2chip]

Braves are 14th in runs scored and 18th in team WRC+. We've made it to the big time.

I mean, yeah, but they have been without their best player for half of the season.

[sturg33]

I mean, yeah, but they have been without their best player for half of the season.

Adams has basically produced at a Freeman level

[thewupk]

Adams has basically produced at a Freeman level

Correct. Adams has a 151 wrc+ with the braves.

[Enscheff]

Adams has basically produced at a Freeman level

Sounds like the Braves should just trade Freeman now that Adams is just as good. Imagine what the Yankees or Astros would give up for him!!

[msstate7]

FF was 2.6 fWAR in 37 games.
Adams is 1.1 fWAR in 62 games.

Not sure that's equal

[sturg33]

FF was 2.6 fWAR in 37 games.
Adams is 1.1 fWAR in 62 games.

Not sure that's equal

Offensively.

Freeman was a 202 wRC+... but that was unsustainable... he's probably a ~150 wRC+ type hitter.

Adams has put up a 151 wRC+ since being with the Braves.

Meaning, the Braves OFFENSE hasn't lost much since Freeman went down

[bravesfanMatt]

Offensively.

Freeman was a 202 wRC+... but that was unsustainable... he's probably a ~150 wRC+ type hitter.

Adams has put up a 151 wRC+ since being with the Braves.

Meaning, the Braves OFFENSE hasn't lost much since Freeman went down

This is the best spin I have seen all day.. And that includes stalking Enscheff at his salsa lessons with his Australian partner. Nothing like using the word 'probably' when making a comparative statement.

[sturg33]

This is the best spin I have seen all day.. And that includes stalking Enscheff at his salsa lessons with his Australian partner. Nothing like using the word 'probably' when making a comparative statement.

Freddie Freeman is a career 137 wRC+ hitter.

Last year - the best of his career, was 152.

Unless you think he was going to finish the season with 60 HRs and a 1.200 OPS, then regression was PROBABLY going to come.

So, I'll confidently say that Adams has given us what we could reasonably have expected Freeman to give us.

If you think that is spin, then there's no point in ever discussing anything with you objectively

[Enscheff]

Offensively.

Freeman was a 202 wRC+... but that was unsustainable... he's probably a ~150 wRC+ type hitter.

Adams has put up a 151 wRC+ since being with the Braves.

Meaning, the Braves OFFENSE hasn't lost much since Freeman went down

Adams is clearly hitting to his potential, finally. All it took was a few weeks having a tomahawk on his chest!!

[Enscheff]

This is the best spin I have seen all day.. And that includes stalking Enscheff at his salsa lessons with his Australian partner. Nothing like using the word 'probably' when making a comparative statement.

OK, at first I figured you were just joking. But now it's getting a little too accurate...

Are you and Super tag-team stalking me? He does it on the interweb and you do it in person?

[Super]

Freddie Freeman is a career 137 wRC+ hitter.

Last year - the best of his career, was 152.

Unless you think he was going to finish the season with 60 HRs and a 1.200 OPS, then regression was PROBABLY going to come.

So, I'll confidently say that Adams has given us what we could reasonably have expected Freeman to give us.

If you think that is spin, then there's no point in ever discussing anything with you objectively

What if for this past month Freeman produced around 175? 190? Point is, Freeman was hitting better this season than Adams has for the Braves.

[sturg33]

Adams is clearly hitting to his potential, finally. All it took was a few weeks having a tomahawk on his chest!!

I'm not sure if you're arguing with me, but I'm basically saying that the Braves offense hasn't suffered much since losing Freeman.

I'm not saying Adams should be expected to produce like this.

[sturg33]

What if for this past month Freeman produced around 175? 190? Point is, Freeman was hitting better this season than Adams has for the Braves.

Yes. He was.

Unlikely to continue. Obviously I'll be thrilled if it does.

I think Freeman has become one of the best hitters in MLB... that doesn't think I believe he's turned into Barry Bonds

[bravesfanMatt]

Yes. He was.

Unlikely to continue. Obviously I'll be thrilled if it does.

I think Freeman has become one of the best hitters in MLB... that doesn't think I believe he's turned into Barry Bonds

But you can't compare what Adams IS doing to what FF should have been doing. Either compare what both guys should be doing or what both guys DID

[Super]

Yes. He was.

Unlikely to continue. Obviously I'll be thrilled if it does.

I think Freeman has become one of the best hitters in MLB... that doesn't think I believe he's turned into Barry Bonds

But we're talking about the last month, not the rest of his career, or even the rest of the season. Freeman was on fire, and that easily could've lasted another 15-20 games. A 170, or 190, or 202 over 150 is pretty meaningful.

[chop2chip]

Adams has basically produced at a Freeman level

Ahhh but as we learned this week, the two are no longer mutually exclusive. Freddie's bat will now be replacing that mountain of **** we have at 3B.

[bravesfanMatt]

Yes. He was.

Unlikely to continue. Obviously I'll be thrilled if it does.

I think Freeman has become one of the best hitters in MLB... that doesn't think I believe he's turned into Barry Bonds

Ok... I see what you are doing. sorry. I didn't make connection. I think it is still a bit speculative.. but I at least see the dotted lines now.

[Super]

It's possible Freddie would've been at 150 or worse the past month. But he was at 202. So Adams' 151 didn't replace that.

[Super]

Ahhh but as we learned this week, the two are no longer mutually exclusive. Freddie's bat will now be replacing that mountain of **** we have at 3B.

Yeah, but to be fair, if Freddie had never been hurt, we don't go get Adams.

[chop2chip]

Yeah, but to be fair, if Freddie had never been hurt, we don't go get Adams.
Fair fair.

I am purposely being pedantic. If someone wants to classify the Braves offense as "average" rather than "good", well then all power to them. It's rather important that the members of this board receive a good audit of their declarations now and again.

[Enscheff]

I'm not sure if you're arguing with me, but I'm basically saying that the Braves offense hasn't suffered much since losing Freeman.

I'm not saying Adams should be expected to produce like this.

I know exactly what you're saying, and you're 100% right. Apparently I didn't lay the sarcasm on thick enough haha.

The folks arguing with you are...special.

[msstate7]

Adams is clearly hitting to his potential, finally. All it took was a few weeks having a tomahawk on his chest!!

Tomahawk has nothing to do with. KEMvP protecting from in front. Just imagine a lineup with KEMvP in between FF and Adams #championship

[Enscheff]

Tomahawk has nothing to do with. KEMvP protecting from in front. Just imagine a lineup with KEMvP in between FF and Adams #championship

They can just skip the WS at that point.

[bravesguy]

Tomahawk has nothing to do with. KEMvP protecting from in front. Just imagine a lineup with KEMvP in between FF and Adams #championship

I am not sure how well it will turn out defensively, but a lineup of Ender, Phillips, Freeman, Kemp, Adams, Markakis, Flowers, Swanson is quite appealing to me.

Have we ever had 8 guys hit over .300 for the same month before?

[bravesfanMatt]

I am not sure how well it will turn out defensively, but a lineup of Ender, Phillips, Freeman, Kemp, Adams, Markakis, Flowers, Swanson is quite appealing to me.

Have we ever had 8 guys hit over .300 for the same month before?

you don't know Game7 very well.. No way he goes LLRR before the pitcher. swap Flowers and MarkyMark and you have a sharpie lineup for Snit...

[Southcack77]

You are right they aren't. We will see where they are after they go through the July schedule.

Ah, not a big enough sample size yet.

[Super]

Fair fair.

I am purposely being pedantic. If someone wants to classify the Braves offense as "average" rather than "good", well then all power to them. It's rather important that the members of this board receive a good audit of their declarations now and again.

Well, the argument being made by some is it's bad rather than average or good.