6/25 GDT: Milwaukee Brewers (40-37) vs. Atlanta Braves (36-38)

[WaitingFor2017]

Milwaukee Brewers Lineup (40-37):
Sogard 2B
Thames 1B
Santana RF
Shaw 3B
Perez LF
Pina C
Broxton CF
Arcia SS
DaviesP

Atlanta Braves Lineup (36-38):
Inciarte CF
Phillips 2B
Markakis RF
Kemp LF
Adams 1B
Suzuki C
Swanson SS
Camargo 3B
Teheran P

I would've given Kemp another day off today with a day off tomorrow to give him four days off, so he could be even fresher for the West Coast week. I would've liked to have seen Lane Adams start for him. I still would put Dansby behind Matt Adams, so I would flip him and Suzuki. Dansby is on a hot streak, and it'd be nice to give him more RBI opportunities behind the bulk of the lineup instead of Suzuki blowing chances.

[clvclv]

Milwaukee Brewers Lineup (40-37):
Sogard 2B
Thames 1B
Santana RF
Shaw 3B
Perez LF
Pina C
Broxton CF
Arcia SS
DaviesP

Atlanta Braves Lineup (36-38):
Inciarte CF
Phillips 2B
Markakis RF
Kemp LF
Adams 1B
Suzuki C
Swanson SS
Camargo 3B
Teheran P

I would've given Kemp another day off today with a day off tomorrow to give him four days off, so he could be even fresher for the West Coast week. I would've liked to have seen Lane Adams start for him. I still would put Dansby behind Matt Adams, so I would flip him and Suzuki. Dansby is on a hot streak, and it'd be nice to give him more RBI opportunities behind the bulk of the lineup instead of Suzuki blowing chances.

Just my preference, but I'd actually rather see Adams and Markakis flip-flopped if Kemp's going to be in there - but I agree I'd like to have seen him take another day.

[nsacpi]

expecting a yuge game from Inciarte

[UNCBlue012]

Go Bravos!

[cajunrevenge]

I miss Andrelton.

[Ozzie Swanson]

Dansby has got to clean it up in the field.

[Garmel]

Dansby is hard to figure out sometimes. Makes great plays consistently and makes some of the most ridiculous errors.

[Garmel]

Ugh!

[bravesnumberone]

I keep thinking one day Julio will stop giving up so many home runs.

[Garmel]

I think we're going to knock the hell out of Davies. He doesn't have good stuff.

[WaitingFor2017]

LOL at Chip

As Brandon Phillips is agitated that he clearly popped it up, Chip said "This is hit high but not deep enough" as it goes maybe 100 feet from home plate.

[nsacpi]

Phillips agitated or hurt on that swing?

[Ozzie Swanson]

Aside from his walk off homer the other night Kemp has looked horrible against break pitches away lately.

[cajunrevenge]

Well, hope this is a slugfest.

[Garmel]

How in the hell was that a home run? Right field in this park is ridiculous.

[msstate7]

That's conclusive?

[auyushu]

That's conclusive?

Yeah, I'd say he was out, but I don't think that was conclusive at all.

[msstate7]

Yeah, I'd say he was out, but I don't think that was conclusive at all.

Maybe they had a better replay. I don't think that should've been overturn though on what I saw

[Ozzie Swanson]

Julio is going to continue getting killed if he doesn't get his fastball down.

[sturg33]

Julio is the least fun pitcher to watch on Braves staff

[sturg33]

He has no out pitch. Such a. Missed opportunity to not trade him last july

[CrimsonCowboy]

Stating the obvious when I say Teheran is not an ace right now

[msstate7]

Teheran's struggling for sure. Think he may need a 10-day vacation... oblique strain

[auyushu]

Julio is going to continue getting killed if he doesn't get his fastball down.

Or if he can't control it at all period, like today.

[sturg33]

He gets two strikes on everyone and can't finish them

[Ozzie Swanson]

Teheran's struggling for sure. Think he may need a 10-day vacation... oblique strain

That would solve the problem of what to do with Bartolo's fat ass over the next week. He can take Julio's spot for 2 starts. Should be similar results.

[cajunrevenge]

Can Freeman pitch too?

[Garmel]

He gets two strikes on everyone and can't finish them

He doesn't have the fastball he once did.

[sturg33]

Gives up a double to Davies.

I'd say Teheran is our worst pitcher

[cajunrevenge]

He doesn't have the fastball he once did.


I sense a visit with Dr. Andrews will bring back his velocity.

[auyushu]

He doesn't have the fastball he once did.

Yeah, I think his inability to locate the fastball is the biggest issue, followed by declining velocity.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Joe is so depressed. Come on man, we just had a four game winning streak. Don't be so anti-organist.

[thewupk]

Julio's fastball on average has been only 0.2 mph slower than last year. Yeah it's been declining for a few years but to me the real difference is his lack of command this year. This is an example of what mediocre stuff with bad command gets you. SunTrust is doing him no favors either.

[thewupk]

Joe is so depressed. Come on man, we just had a four game winning streak. Don't be so anti-organist.

He must be a posi-brave on here

[bravesfanMatt]

So how is the game going.

[thewupk]

So how is the game going.

Julio started. All you need to know.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

It's like Chip and Joe forgot about yesterday. Come on guys, the Freeze is super popular and some of the races have been close. I don't think they need to make massive changes to the promo to make races closer than a nose.

[VirginiaBrave]

Joe is so depressed. Come on man, we just had a four game winning streak. Don't be so anti-organist.

Maybe he is trying to get fired. Has sounded upset at Chip a few times.

[thewupk]

It's like Chip and Joe forgot about yesterday. Come on guys, the Freeze is super popular and some of the races have been close. I don't think they need to make massive changes to the promo to make races closer than a nose.

I think they forget a lot of things.

[jpx7]

Julio started. All you need to know.

In a non-competitive season where team w/l is largely irrelevant, it's individual player results that are consequential and worth watching. The bottoming-out of Teheran this year has been the most significant and alarming development of 2017.

[thewupk]

In a non-competitive season where team w/l is largely irrelevant, it's individual player results that are consequential and worth watching. The bottoming-out of Teheran this year has been the most significant and alarming development of 2017.

Especially since he was supposed to be a pivotal piece in the next contending team for the Braves. Really a shame.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Maybe he is trying to get fired. Has sounded upset at Chip a few times.
While I hope he is, I kinda doubt it. He'd have to say something pretty insensitive to actually get fired. Maybe he just lost a ton of money on the stock market or got a bad diagnosis or something.

[msstate7]

Julio was really bad today.

Previous 3 starts...
20.1 ip 6 er 2.69 era

Previous 6 starts...
37.1 ip 17 er (7 in 1 start) 3.88 era

Hopefully this was just another bad start and he rebounds vs A's

[thewupk]

Chip it took me 30 seconds to see the are more runs being scored in 2017 than in 2016. And yes it is due to homeruns. That is something most people have known about for well over a year now. And the most common theory is statcast data showing teams/players the optimal swing for homeruns. The most common conspiracy theory is juiced baseballs.

[jpx7]

Maybe he is trying to get fired. Has sounded upset at Chip a few times.

Chip could give him a few pointers on how to get fired from a team for whom you've long broadcast.

[thewupk]

Also in case anybody was wondering. 2016 almost topped 2000 as the biggest homerun year ever. There were 1.17 HR/9 in 2016 and 1.18 HR/9 in 2000. In 2017 so far there has been 1.28 HR/9. Steroid level offense is back.

[msstate7]

Chip it took me 30 seconds to see the are more runs being scored in 2017 than in 2016. And yes it is due to homeruns. That is something most people have known about for well over a year now. And the most common theory is statcast data showing teams/players the optimal swing for homeruns. The most common conspiracy theory is juiced baseballs.

At one point this season, there were more HRs than in MLB history. I can see questioning the balls

[thewupk]

At one point this season, there were more HRs than in MLB history. I can see questioning the balls

That's been my theory. Supposedly they have been tested but who really knows.

[msstate7]

That's been my theory. Supposedly they have been tested but who really knows.

HRs sell tickets, so I could see MLB wanting juiced balls. I have no idea though

[thewupk]

HRs sell tickets, so I could see MLB wanting juiced balls. I have no idea though

Indeed. I mean the homerun chase with Sosa and Big Mac essentially brought MLB back from the 94 strike. That being said MLB has been booming for years now so there hasn't been a need to try and artificially boost attendance.

I do think statcast data is a big reason for it. Teams/players are learning which is always a good thing. Too bad Joe/Chip are clueless about it.

[Enscheff]

Julio's fastball on average has been only 0.2 mph slower than last year. Yeah it's been declining for a few years but to me the real difference is his lack of command this year. This is an example of what mediocre stuff with bad command gets you. SunTrust is doing him no favors either.

Correct as usual. His stuff has been declining for years, which is why everyone with a clue was screaming to trade him during the rebuild. The Braves wasted Teheran's most valuable seasons during lost rebuilding years. A complete failure by the FO. We just watched the ChiSox make a similar mistake with Quintana, holding out for more and then seeing Q pitch poorly. Hopefully rebuilding teams have taken note.

We are witnessing first hand what happens when a guy's stuff declines past the point where average control is no longer good enough. Living in the low 90s only works with superb control.

We are also seeing why long term contracts for pitchers are almost never a good idea. Teheran would currently be in his 2nd Arb season, and the Braves would have the option of non-tendering him. Now, they are paying him for years no matter what.

[WaitingFor2017]

Hell, let Jackson finish this thing.

[thewupk]

And since I'm expected to make a negative post since I only want to be right.

If this score holds the Braves will have scored 2.6 runs per game against a team with a winning record. Stats stabilizing.

[NinersSBChamps]

And since I'm expected to make a negative post since I only want to be right.

If this score holds the Braves will have scored 2.6 runs per game against a team with a winning record. Stats stabilizing.


I like you.

[msstate7]

I like you.

This ought to tell you something, thewupk. Nice you two joined us today again...

[Deester11]

That would solve the problem of what to do with Bartolo's fat ass over the next week. He can take Julio's spot for 2 starts. Should be similar results.
Pretty dumb

[thewupk]

This ought to tell you something, thewupk. Nice you two joined us today again...

Anytime I can educate the masses with facts is a good day.

[WaitingFor2017]

I consistently see Braves fans over on another board talking Wild Card or topping Washington, and then I get called out for being negative just because I have noticed that the Braves' strength of schedule absolutely stinks right now. I think this loss will put them at 8-9 vs. teams with winning records currently. 17 games out of 75 against teams with winning records? That tells me everything I need to know about the strength of schedule.

These same fans want to keep Matt Adams even though he has no future with this team. If he is here next year and does extremely well, then good for him. He would then leave in 2019 with a richer contract with a new team while being on an 80-win team in Atlanta in 2018.

[Garmel]

Camargo with two walks today. Surprising since he hasn't shown much patience.

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

I consistently see Braves fans over on another board talking Wild Card or topping Washington, and then I get called out for being negative just because I have noticed that the Braves' strength of schedule absolutely stinks right now. I think this loss will put them at 8-9 vs. teams with winning records currently. 17 games out of 75 against teams with winning records? That tells me everything I need to know about the strength of schedule.

These same fans want to keep Matt Adams even though he has no future with this team. If he is here next year and does extremely well, then good for him. He would then leave in 2019 with a richer contract with a new team while being on an 80-win team in Atlanta in 2018.
On the plus side, that's close to .500 against good teams. Maybe we can get to 75 wins still.

[WaitingFor2017]

Did Chip really have to ask Joe if ads on uniforms bothered him?

if the guy can't discuss advanced stats, then you'll know he's going to hate ads.

[Garmel]

Stats stabilizing.

A good sign of that is Davies, a guy with bad stuff, was able to shut us out over 7 innings with no strikeouts.

[WaitingFor2017]

I finally agree with Joe on something. Get us back to a balanced schedule. My wife makes a joke that every time she sees me watching the Braves, we are playing the Walgreens Washington Nationals. I'd also want to play every AL team 3 games per year. Therefore, you see every AL team for 3 games at your park every two years.

[thewupk]

A good sign of that is Davies, a guy with bad stuff, was able to shut us out over 7 innings with no strikeouts.

Something like a sub .200 BABIP for the team today. Must be bad luck.

[thewupk]

I finally agree with Joe on something. Get us back to a balanced schedule. My wife makes a joke that every time she sees me watching the Braves, we are playing the Walgreens Washington Nationals. I'd also want to play every AL team 3 games per year. Therefore, you see every AL team for 3 games at your park every two years.

It will never happen but I would always prefer two divisions with balanced schedules. Two division winners and then next two teams with the best record make the playoffs. That way you could avoid dumb **** like an NL Central team being in the playoffs this year.

[WaitingFor2017]

Snit just said that it was a good day to give the bullpen a blow. He still used 3 guys when he could've finished with just using Jackson.

[WaitingFor2017]

The more I read and look into the stats of this Andujar kid from the Yankees, I'd be calling them about Adams + others right now. He could be a nice piece in the future for Atlanta, or at the very least, a stop gap for Maitan years from now.

[UNCBlue012]

Teheran is dumb as a rock.

[thewupk]

Teheran is dumb as a rock.

He's just declined as he's gotten older like many starters do

[Pugfan]

He's just declined as he's gotten older like many starters do

I guess 26 is the new 36.

[thewupk]

I guess 26 is the new 36.

Sadly it is for pitchers these days. I'd expect TJ for Julio in the next couple of years. And if the recovery goes well I'd expect him to return to his former stuff days for a few years before falling off more.

[Pugfan]

Maybe they should come up with a rule to have starting pitchers go on the 10 DL at least once a year. Twice would be even better

[Enscheff]

Maybe they should come up with a rule to have starting pitchers go on the 10 DL at least once a year. Twice would be even better

Dodgers are doing exactly that. They are using the 10 day DL as a way to essentially have a 7 man rotation.

[thewupk]

Dodgers are doing exactly that. They are using the 10 day DL as a way to essentially have a 7 man rotation.

No surprise they have the best record in the NL and will likely have the best record in the majors by the ASB.

[Enscheff]

Teams like the Rays and A's are just so much smarter than the rest of the league. Add money to that intelligence and you get the Dodgers and Yankees and Cubs and Astros.

The Rays turned 2 years of Smyly into Mallex. Mallex will allow them to trade Kiermaier for a huge haul of prospects. And the cycle of adding value will continue. Their model of dealing with pitching assets should be the blueprint for the Braves.

[Dalyn]

I keep thinking one day Julio will stop giving up so many home runs.

Yeah. He can't play forever.

[Dalyn]

Julio is going to continue getting killed if he doesn't get his fastball down.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornk9OsgudyjgjS8M/giphy.gif

[Dalyn]

Julio started. All you need to know.

http://i.imgur.com/4TzwlH4.gif

[Managuarantano's Volunteers]

Snit just said that it was a good day to give the bullpen a blow. He still used 3 guys when he could've finished with just using Jackson.

Snitker probably thinks Hursh is still in AAA.

[Southcack77]

I finally agree with Joe on something. Get us back to a balanced schedule. My wife makes a joke that every time she sees me watching the Braves, we are playing the Walgreens Washington Nationals. I'd also want to play every AL team 3 games per year. Therefore, you see every AL team for 3 games at your park every two years.

I'd prefer to end interleague play.

[NinersSBChamps]

This ought to tell you something, thewupk. Nice you two joined us today again...

You are newer here, but he wasn't always like this. I think he eventually embraced facts and not being a homer.

[bravesfanMatt]

You are newer here, but he wasn't always like this. I think he eventually embraced facts and not being a homer.

yeah right.. and next you are going to tell us that thewupk is thethe Father...

[nsacpi]

yeah right.. and next you are going to tell us that thewupk is thethe Father...

in a joseph-jesus kinda way

[bravesfanMatt]

in a joseph-jesus kinda way

thinking more of a Luke-Anakin kinda way.. 'the' part just struck me as funny when I typed it.

/maybe for delivery effect I should have put a NOOOOOO!!!! at the end of it.

[thewupk]

yeah right.. and next you are going to tell us that thewupk is thethe Father...

from a certain point of view

[thewupk]

You are newer here, but he wasn't always like this. I think he eventually embraced facts and not being a homer.

Contrary to popular belief it doesn't make you a homer when facts point to a team being really good.

[jsebe10]

I'd prefer to end interleague play.

Don't mine the interleague. Just don't get why pitchers have to hit in the NL...it's a joke and
an automatic out...