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WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 11:32 AM
Arizona Diamondbacks Lineup (53-38):
Pollock CF
Peralta RF
Goldschmidt 1B
Owings 2B
Lamb 3B
Marte SS
Descalso LF
Mathis C
Godley P

Atlanta Braves Lineup (44-45):
Inciarte CF
Phillips 2B
Freeman 3B
Kemp LF
Markakis RF
Adams 1B
Flowers C
Swanson SS
Garcia P

bravesfanMatt
07-16-2017, 11:43 AM
I really want this win, but I just feel Godley will produce something immaculate.

thethe
07-16-2017, 11:43 AM
Mistake not getting camargo in the lineup

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 11:50 AM
Mistake not getting camargo in the lineup

I'm okay with it the next two weeks. I'm for anything which may better showcase Adams and Phillips since neither have a future with the club.

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 11:58 AM
expecting a yuge game from Flowers

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 12:00 PM
I really want this win, but I just feel Godley will produce something immaculate.

isn't today supposed to be his day of rest

cajunrevenge
07-16-2017, 12:19 PM
We torched Godley for 7 runs in 5 innings last time so I predict he shuts us down for 7 innings today.

bravesfanMatt
07-16-2017, 12:19 PM
isn't today supposed to be his day of rest

True.. we Smite have a chance..

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 12:31 PM
I was thinking about pinning this thread, but I don't want to jinx it.

Garmel
07-16-2017, 12:48 PM
Looks like the rest and the acupuncture did BP a lot of good.

Ozzie Swanson
07-16-2017, 12:48 PM
Ender is so good.

Tapate50
07-16-2017, 12:52 PM
Arizonas uniforms... ugliest of all time?

NinersSBChamps
07-16-2017, 12:53 PM
Why does everyone want to trade Phillips away? He's much better than anything the Braves would replace him with. Is it because he's not a ranked prospect? He's a plus defender and is hitting really well. He would be an excellent bench piece moving forward when he begins to slip.

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 12:57 PM
Why does everyone want to trade Phillips away? He's much better than anything the Braves would replace him with. Is it because he's not a ranked prospect? He's a plus defender and is hitting really well. He would be an excellent bench piece moving forward when he begins to slip.

You realize he is a FA after this year right?

I know you pride yourself on not knowing anything about anything, but surely you know that single fact?

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 12:58 PM
He's a plus defender.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/784/what-year-is-it-robin-williams.jpg

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 01:07 PM
Remember when folks in this board were creaming in their pants with how much Adams had increased his trade value over a 2 week stretch?

Now he's playing part time as a platoon bat at 1B. How much trade value does a player like that have?

thethe
07-16-2017, 01:12 PM
Braves are good. Have a shot to get 85 wins this year.

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 01:16 PM
Braves are good. Have a shot to get 85 wins this year.

Try 95, hillbilly.

VirginiaBrave
07-16-2017, 01:17 PM
Braves are good. Have a shot to get 85 wins this year.

Just keep winning series. Everything else will take care of itself. Worst case we finish over .500, best we sneak in as a wild card. It will be a good year either way.

bravesfanMatt
07-16-2017, 01:18 PM
Try 95, hillbilly.

Well know round these parts that thethe is a on the fence pozz brace.

thethe
07-16-2017, 01:19 PM
Just keep winning series. Everything else will take care of itself. Worst case we finish over .500, best we sneak in as a wild card. It will be a good year either way.

You're right. Plug away and get quality pitching from the starting rotation. Lineup will score runs.

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 01:20 PM
extent Garcia

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 01:22 PM
Pozzy Barves...consistently unrealistic.

I love it!

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 01:23 PM
You're right. Plug away and get quality pitching from the starting rotation. Lineup will score runs.

We need quality pitchers first.

thethe
07-16-2017, 01:25 PM
We need quality pitchers first.

We have that right now. Nothing great but with dickey pitching well all of a sudden we have a few guys going out there and give 6 quality innings.

thethe
07-16-2017, 01:28 PM
KemVp is back!!!

Garmel
07-16-2017, 01:28 PM
KEMP!!! Maybe that'll get him going.

thethe
07-16-2017, 01:28 PM
Let's go PosiBraves! It's our time now.

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 01:28 PM
There's KEMvP!

NinersSBChamps
07-16-2017, 01:29 PM
You realize he is a FA after this year right?

I know you pride yourself on not knowing anything about anything, but surely you know that single fact?

He isn't allowed to come back to the Braves? I thought he really liked it there. Has he openly come out and said he wouldn't return and perhaps have a reduced role if one of the so called studs the team has comes up?

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 01:29 PM
The Rain Man!

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 01:29 PM
look out for the Atlanta Braves!

NinersSBChamps
07-16-2017, 01:30 PM
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/784/what-year-is-it-robin-williams.jpg

Have you seen that overrated former first pick at shortstop?

Managuarantano's Volunteers
07-16-2017, 01:30 PM
KeMVP! KeMVP! KeMVP!

UNCBlue012
07-16-2017, 01:30 PM
Kemp's homers are still a beautiful thing

Managuarantano's Volunteers
07-16-2017, 01:31 PM
He isn't allowed to come back to the Braves? I thought he really liked it there. Has he openly come out and said he wouldn't return and perhaps have a reduced role if one of the so called studs the team has comes up?
Trading a guy means you can't resign him?

UNCBlue012
07-16-2017, 01:32 PM
ADAMS

thethe
07-16-2017, 01:33 PM
I'm fine with keeping Adams for next year especially if the braves are committing to this freddie at 3b against righties.

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 01:33 PM
Have you seen that overrated former first pick at shortstop?

Yeah, he can actually move more than 2 feet horizontally.

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 01:33 PM
Adams back up to .908 haha

Managuarantano's Volunteers
07-16-2017, 01:33 PM
MattVP! MattVP! MattVP!

bravesfanMatt
07-16-2017, 01:34 PM
This might be that ten run beat down I was thinking of.

Managuarantano's Volunteers
07-16-2017, 01:35 PM
Anyone refreshed by Paul Byrd instead of Joe Simpson?

bravesfanMatt
07-16-2017, 01:36 PM
Anyone refreshed by Paul Byrd instead of Joe Simpson?

I don't like his voice. But hell yes.

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 01:37 PM
Anyone refreshed by Paul Byrd instead of Joe Simpson?

He's very funny

thewupk
07-16-2017, 01:38 PM
Let's go PosiBraves! It's our time now.

We just need to trade for a TOR and we're set!

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 01:38 PM
Anyone refreshed by Paul Byrd instead of Joe Simpson?

Yes, and it seems like it's got Chip on better behavior too.

thethe
07-16-2017, 01:39 PM
We just need to trade for a TOR and we're set!

Have to hope that allard/soroka/wright/Gohara produced one 4+ WAR pitcher.

Garmel
07-16-2017, 01:44 PM
Freddie with those cat like reflexes. LOL!

Managuarantano's Volunteers
07-16-2017, 01:45 PM
I don't like his voice. But hell yes.
I'm ok with his voice but he always sounds like he's the field correspondent. Haha.

Definitely prefer him.

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 01:46 PM
I love how much of a big deal they make when Freddie catches a line drive hit 3' to his glove side haha

cajunrevenge
07-16-2017, 01:47 PM
Baseball is so predictable. I think we all knew one day we would defensively have Freeman at SS.

Managuarantano's Volunteers
07-16-2017, 01:47 PM
I love how much of a big deal they make when Freddie catches a line drive hit 3' to his glove side haha

It was hit hard. Still not super difficult, but still.

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 01:54 PM
It was hit hard. Still not super difficult, but still.

Freeman has caught dozens of similar balls at 1B. Every MLB third baseman catches that ball.

I just find it amusing they are trying their best to pozzy spin his play at 3b.

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 01:57 PM
"That's a hot mess right there"

Subtle, Chip.

VirginiaBrave
07-16-2017, 01:58 PM
We need quality pitchers first.

I don't disagree, Professor. But I have hopes we can win 3 of 5 rest of the way with what we have.

thewupk
07-16-2017, 01:59 PM
Ender is a beast

Garmel
07-16-2017, 02:00 PM
Let's save some for the Cubs, boys.

msstate7
07-16-2017, 02:00 PM
Phillips is red hot. Will he be wearing dodger blue soon?

msstate7
07-16-2017, 02:01 PM
Let's save some for the Cubs, boys.

Cubs are exploding too

Heyward
07-16-2017, 02:02 PM
Phillips is red hot. Will he be wearing dodger blue soon?

they'll get an outfielder if they get a bat, i think.

Forsythe, Utley, Kike, Chris Taylor, Barnes can all cover 2nd.

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 02:03 PM
Phillips is red hot. Will he be wearing dodger blue soon?

Not many teams need an upgrade at 2b. Sucks because BP is probably the most valuable rental the Braves have.

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 02:05 PM
Good AB by Kemp. If he's getting his legs back under him they need to do a better job keeping him fresh so he continues to hit.

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 02:07 PM
Good AB by Kemp. If he's getting his legs back under him they need to do a better job keeping him fresh so he continues to hit.

Yeah, like going ahead and sitting him in the next inning or two.

Enscheff
07-16-2017, 02:09 PM
Yeah, like going ahead and sitting him in the next inning or two.

There is no reason to have Kemp running around LF for 9 innings today. Simple roster management with an injury prone player.

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 02:10 PM
would be nice to get 7 out of Garcia

Managuarantano's Volunteers
07-16-2017, 02:11 PM
Arizona gonna bunt with 2 outs or no?

msstate7
07-16-2017, 02:12 PM
would be nice to get 7 out of Garcia

And no JJ. Need to give him day off

msstate7
07-16-2017, 02:17 PM
Need to give Santana a start in place of Markakis tomorrow

bravesfanMatt
07-16-2017, 02:23 PM
That was a heavenly half inning for godley

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 02:45 PM
Garcia at 104 pitches. I let him go another inning as crazy as it seems.

Nevermind. Hursh and Morris haven't pitched this series, so give them an inning each.

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 02:47 PM
we've been getting some solid starting pitching

msstate7
07-16-2017, 02:50 PM
After kemp bats this inning, put lane Adams in

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 02:55 PM
I appreciate Kemp's hustle, but he doesn't need to be running that hard due to his hammy in a 7-1 game in the 7th when he is going to be out regardless.

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 03:03 PM
I just don't understand Snitker's bullpen usage. You have Hursh and Morris in the pen who haven't pitched all weekend.... That'd be perfect to use the last two innings in a six-run game.

Yet he throws out Jackson who pitched yesterday and threw 13 pitches.

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 03:05 PM
If you're going to throw Jackson back in there today after last night, and he finishes the inning with 8 pitches, you may as well leave him in to finish the game; thus, the rest of the pen can get a rest today. Will Snit do it?

dak
07-16-2017, 03:08 PM
If you're going to throw Jackson back in there today after last night, and he finishes the inning with 8 pitches, you may as well leave him in to finish the game; thus, the rest of the pen can get a rest today. Will Snit do it?

I would lean toward having Morris or Hursh pitch the 9th since I don't believe they've pitched in this series (and thus not since the ASB).

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 03:09 PM
There is no reason to have Kemp running around LF for 9 innings today. Simple roster management with an injury prone player.

They also need to get used to using a late-inning defensive replacement at 3rd and moving Freeman back over to 1st.

chopdrew
07-16-2017, 03:12 PM
I'm not sure I think the Braves end up selling. They don't want to sell. Coppy wants to add and contend ahead of schedule. The narrative was always "contend in 2017," and guys don't get to where Coppy is by enjoying being wrong. I think they add, not subtract, especially with series w the Rockies, Cards, DBacks, and Cubs...

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 03:14 PM
http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af209/wolfpacr/Screen%20Shot%202017-07-16%20at%204.08.14%20PM.png

Since you brought Jackson out in the 8th, you may as well let him finish the 9th, so you don't possibly ruin a 2nd guy (with Jackson) for tomorrow's game against Chicago.

Ozzie Swanson
07-16-2017, 03:21 PM
Morris' changeup is filthy.

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 03:23 PM
Can we please try Morris in Ramirez's or Motte's role?

CrimsonCowboy
07-16-2017, 03:26 PM
http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

CyYoung31
07-16-2017, 03:26 PM
Snitker is dumber than Fredi.

Heyward
07-16-2017, 03:29 PM
Good win, fresh pen for the Cubs who are hot all of a sudden.

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 03:31 PM
we will annihilate the cubs and their bothersome fans

jpack1
07-16-2017, 03:36 PM
Another good series. Just keep winning

Heyward
07-16-2017, 04:09 PM
@mlbbowman
Along with Sean Rodriguez and Danny Santana, there's a chance Vizcaino will also be activated tomorrow

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 04:22 PM
@mlbbowman
Along with Sean Rodriguez and Danny Santana, there's a chance Vizcaino will also be activated tomorrow

Welcome to Gwinnett, Jace Peterson, Lane Adams, and Jason Hursh. I really do like Hursh and Morris. I'm assuming Morris goes when Motte comes back.

sturg33
07-16-2017, 04:35 PM
Good for us for climbing to .500

The future is bright. I'd LOVE it we could dump Kemp somehow... he's going to be an albatross

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 04:45 PM
I'm not sure I think the Braves end up selling. They don't want to sell. Coppy wants to add and contend ahead of schedule. The narrative was always "contend in 2017," and guys don't get to where Coppy is by enjoying being wrong. I think they add, not subtract, especially with series w the Rockies, Cards, DBacks, and Cubs...

content

thethe
07-16-2017, 04:57 PM
Just as everyone figured the braves doing well in July.

Next 10 games will be tough. I'd take a 500 record right now.

msstate7
07-16-2017, 05:17 PM
July record = 7-4

thethe
07-16-2017, 05:22 PM
First three games out of the break at home:

2016:
27,236 (53%)
28,393 (55%)
18,873 (37%)

2017:
38,852 (93%)
41,627 (100%)
36,637 (88%)

Business is good.

nsacpi
07-16-2017, 05:29 PM
First three games out of the break at home:

2016:
27,236 (53%)
28,393 (55%)
18,873 (37%)

2017:
38,852 (93%)
41,627 (100%)
36,637 (88%)

Business is good.

that's yuge....do you know if last year's series was weekend and who the opposing team was

thethe
07-16-2017, 05:29 PM
that's yuge....do you know if last year's series was weekend and who the opposing team was

It was weekend and against the Rockies.

thethe
07-16-2017, 05:39 PM
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#Braves set to activate Sean Rodriguez, Danny Santana from DL on Monday

msstate7
07-16-2017, 05:44 PM
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#Braves set to activate Sean Rodriguez, Danny Santana from DL on Monday

Santana is red hot... hitting .600 at Gwinnett. SRod hit .054 or something similar... not sure he's ready

thethe
07-16-2017, 05:47 PM
Santana is red hot... hitting .600 at Gwinnett. SRod hit .054 or something similar... not sure he's ready

Rodriguez just provides another option for the OF/IF to give guys a rest. Snitker really needs to start Rodriguez/Santana 4 times a week in the outfield. Have to give Kemp/Markakis time off so they are more productive. Then of course late inning defensive replacements.

I hope to see Camargo making 4 starts a week. Rodriguez/Santana 2 apiece as well. We have an awesome bench. Its time to use it.

msstate7
07-16-2017, 05:57 PM
Rodriguez just provides another option for the OF/IF to give guys a rest. Snitker really needs to start Rodriguez/Santana 4 times a week in the outfield. Have to give Kemp/Markakis time off so they are more productive. Then of course late inning defensive replacements.

I hope to see Camargo making 4 starts a week. Rodriguez/Santana 2 apiece as well. We have an awesome bench. Its time to use it.

Santana needs to be in rf tomorrow night vs the good lhp

thethe
07-16-2017, 05:59 PM
Santana needs to be in rf tomorrow night vs the good lhp

Yup - With Camargo at 3B.

WaitingFor2017
07-16-2017, 06:36 PM
Yup - With Camargo at 3B.

It's Snitker we're talking about. I doubt it happens with Santana. I see it with Camargo, but I'd also like to see Adams get as many AB as possible, so we can flip him in two weeks.

Russ2dollas
07-16-2017, 08:47 PM
Comargo can play of better than either corner. I know it in my bones

thethe
07-16-2017, 09:07 PM
Comargo can play of better than either corner. I know it in my bones

Guy is going to be very valuable for the next 3 years.

Nerfherders
07-16-2017, 10:36 PM
The first time at .500 since 7/7/15.

bravesfanMatt
07-17-2017, 12:28 AM
The first time at .500 since 7/7/15.

Except when we were 6-6 this year.

jpx7
07-17-2017, 12:28 AM
I just don't understand Snitker's bullpen usage. You have Hursh and Morris in the pen who haven't pitched all weekend.... That'd be perfect to use the last two innings in a six-run game.

Yet he throws out Jackson who pitched yesterday and threw 13 pitches.

I will say it again: Snitker will not be the manager of the next good Braves team.

cajunrevenge
07-17-2017, 02:56 AM
Do you have any confidence in the front office to hire a good manager? There's probably less than 5 good managers anyways.

57Brave
07-17-2017, 06:53 AM
I see

a team that doesn't run into outs while running the bases aggressively

a team that almost never throws the ball to the wrong place and constantly hits cut off men

a team that plays with enthusiasm

a team that for all intent and purposes plays miles above their heads

a team with no off the field controversy

a team where the players love playing for the Braves

a team where players play unselfishly
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Those to me are the attributes of a well managed baseball team

CyYoung31
07-17-2017, 07:03 AM
I see

a team that doesn't run into outs while running the bases aggressively

a team that almost never throws the ball to the wrong place and constantly hits cut off men

a team that plays with enthusiasm

a team that for all intent and purposes plays miles above their heads

a team with no off the field controversy

a team where the players love playing for the Braves

a team where players play unselfishly
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Those to me are the attributes of a well managed baseball team

You're not wrong, and indeed the most important traits of a good baseball manager are not related to X's and O's. However, i don't think it's too much to ask for just one manager to understand the value of matchups, defense, and resting players.

I guess not everyone can be Bobby.

57Brave
07-17-2017, 07:18 AM
I think in the dugout and coaches meetings they view matchups ,defense and resting players far fifferently than we fans.

Kemp for example, I wonder what his input is on when he does and doesn't come out of lopsided games. Medical staff recommendations we aren't privy to.

I too can cherry pick Snit decisions , I was yhe guy screaming for Matt rather than Lane Saturday.
Yhey lnew something I didn't.
At this point I think Snit a candidate for MOY

thethe
07-17-2017, 07:42 AM
I see

a team that doesn't run into outs while running the bases aggressively

a team that almost never throws the ball to the wrong place and constantly hits cut off men

a team that plays with enthusiasm

a team that for all intent and purposes plays miles above their heads

a team with no off the field controversy

a team where the players love playing for the Braves

a team where players play unselfishly
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Those to me are the attributes of a well managed baseball team

These are excellent points. All we hear constantly is about how managers don't matter but then each manager is nitpicked to the max as if their decisions actually matter. So which is it?

Tapate50
07-17-2017, 08:06 AM
The only real issues I have are getting Kemp some innings off at the end of lopsided games for a defensive replacement. I mean for a guy with nagging injuries he ought to be protected from himself in that regard a bit.

TheBravos
07-17-2017, 08:18 AM
We could do worse than Snit. We are one game off of the WS Champion Cubs with their mighty manager and front office. If you are gonna bash Snit (I get it), you also need to give him credit for coming into a absolute crap situation last year and creating excitement. He also has the team to .500 after loosing Freddie. Every single one of us were saying "Well, we will have another top 5 pick." I don't like many of his moves, but I can't ignore his results.

WaitingFor2017
07-17-2017, 08:32 AM
We could do worse than Snit. We are one game off of the WS Champion Cubs with their mighty manager and front office. If you are gonna bash Snit (I get it), you also need to give him credit for coming into a absolute crap situation last year and creating excitement. He also has the team to .500 after loosing Freddie. Every single one of us were saying "Well, we will have another top 5 pick." I don't like many of his moves, but I can't ignore his results.

I am admittedly one of Snitker's biggest critics on here. I do like the fact that the players love playing hard for him and never give up during games. I just worry about a couple of items: 1) How he deals with his pitching staff/bullpen; 2)Bench/defensive replacements and 3)Advanced Statistics

1) He either leaves in starters too long (Foltynewicz and Garcia being prime examples in the last month) or has short leashes wth them (Dickey who could easily throw 120-130 pitches each night and has been dealing recently). With the bullpen, my prime is example is just from yesterday's game. With Julio's struggles at SunTrust and him pitching tonight, you feel like you need your entire pen. Garcia pitched a great game yesterday, so you could have everyone available. Hursh and Morris hadn't pitched all weekend, so you could use those two and have everyone available for tonight. Instead, he goes with Jackson in the 8th in a game that the Braves weren't going to lose Jackson pitched Saturday night to go along with Sunday, so he is likely not available tonight. Jackson has some critics on here, but I think he has been a solid addition to the pen. Snitker did go with Morris in the 9th, but he could have a full complement of pitchers in the pen tonight instead of losing one like he did with Jackson.

2)Bench and defensive replacements: Kemp and Markakis need more time off. At the very least, both OF should NOT be playing in close games late. You should take one of them out based on matchups late in the game (take Kemp out if the team has a bunch of righties and Markakis out if facing a bunch of lefties). These guys should also get one game off a week (not the same game) to keep them fresh.

3)Advanced Statistics; Do the Braves ever have a shift on for a hell-bent pull righty or lefty? I've seen very few though Freeman was the middle-man in a double play a day or two ago. I'd like to see a manager use a lineup or use defensive positioning based on advanced stats. Is a hitter struggling with sliders or change-ups? Have your pitcher throw nothing but those. Kemp seems to be coming around the last couple of days, but between June 1 and July 10, he was an albatross hitting 4th. Advanced stats would've told you he should've been hitting 7th or so during that time. Snitker and Washington have both said to not use advanced stats and manage on their gut. I'd like to at least have a manager who realizes they are there and can be very useful even if they don't use them 100% of the time. I feel like our FO and coaching staff just dismiss information that Houston and Los Angeles use frequently.

Southcack77
07-17-2017, 08:35 AM
We could do worse than Snit. We are one game off of the WS Champion Cubs with their mighty manager and front office. If you are gonna bash Snit (I get it), you also need to give him credit for coming into a absolute crap situation last year and creating excitement. He also has the team to .500 after loosing Freddie. Every single one of us were saying "Well, we will have another top 5 pick." I don't like many of his moves, but I can't ignore his results.

The biggest criticism of Snitker that I read is more than anything that he manages like he is trying to win every game. And that he won more last season than was best for the draft pick (which burns me too, but the org could have chosen a different path).

I think his results have been better than anyone gave the Braves much credit for being able to achieve. I'm not in love with the guy but seems evident the team likes him and responds well to him.

Preacher
07-17-2017, 08:35 AM
I see

a team that doesn't run into outs while running the bases aggressively

a team that almost never throws the ball to the wrong place and constantly hits cut off men

a team that plays with enthusiasm

a team that for all intent and purposes plays miles above their heads

a team with no off the field controversy

a team where the players love playing for the Braves

a team where players play unselfishly
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Those to me are the attributes of a well managed baseball team


very good post and points.

nsacpi
07-17-2017, 08:36 AM
It will be interesting to see whether certain players are rested in the Cubs series. We have a day game on Wednesday (against a lefty) following a night game on Tuesday (against a righty). That kind of situation really calls for resting some of the veterans like Kemp, Phillips and Markakis.

Against Lackey on Tuesday, it would make sense to rest Kemp and Phillips and put Santana in left and Camargo at second. In 22 career plate appearances against Lackey, Kemp has an OPS of .273. Phillips has 40 career PAs against him and an OPS of .481.

Moving on to Montgomery on Wednesday, I would rest Markakis and put Sean Rodriguez in right.

I think it will be important to manage the workload of Kemp, Phillips and Markakis in the second half. The arrangement described above would allow the team to go into the LA series as rested and sharp as possible.

CyYoung31
07-17-2017, 08:39 AM
These are excellent points. All we hear constantly is about how managers don't matter but then each manager is nitpicked to the max as if their decisions actually matter. So which is it?

A manager can't win games for a team, but they sure can lose them. See: 2013 NLDS.

clvclv
07-17-2017, 09:16 AM
The biggest criticism of Snitker that I read is more than anything that he manages like he is trying to win every game. And that he won more last season than was best for the draft pick (which burns me too, but the org could have chosen a different path).

I think his results have been better than anyone gave the Braves much credit for being able to achieve. I'm not in love with the guy but seems evident the team likes him and responds well to him.


Which is always one of the funniest ones since the goal from a Manager's, coaches', and players' standpoint IS to win every game - or at least attempt to.

bravesfanMatt
07-17-2017, 09:22 AM
Which is always one of the funniest ones since the goal from a Manager's, coaches', and players' standpoint IS to win every game - or at least attempt to.

No it shouldn't. you sometimes have to lose a battle to win the war. I am not saying you intentionally lose. But sometimes you have to put the 'Not best' team out there in order to enhance your winning down the road. Pitching high leverage guys in situations that don't call for it because you 'want' to win that game could cause ripple effects that lose you 2 other games in the very near future.

A manager's job is not to win every game, but to 'manage' his team through 162 game season to ensure the best record possible and to get into the playoffs with the best team you can form.

nsacpi
07-17-2017, 09:22 AM
Which is always one of the funniest ones since the goal from a Manager's, coaches', and players' standpoint IS to win every game - or at least attempt to.

it is actually a logical criticism since managing to win every game can have an adverse effect on your season record...this is pretty well understood

I think Snit has been managing differently this year than he did last year. He's actually managing more to win over 162 games. Though he still makes some strange moves when it comes to pen management and pinch hitting choices.

clvclv
07-17-2017, 09:50 AM
No it shouldn't. you sometimes have to lose a battle to win the war. I am not saying you intentionally lose. But sometimes you have to put the 'Not best' team out there in order to enhance your winning down the road. Pitching high leverage guys in situations that don't call for it because you 'want' to win that game could cause ripple effects that lose you 2 other games in the very near future.

A manager's job is not to win every game, but to 'manage' his team through 162 game season to ensure the best record possible and to get into the playoffs with the best team you can form.

Again with the nitpicking.

Teams try to win every game they have a CHANCE to win - that's how you get to the playoffs.

Obviously you make different decisions in blowouts with an eye on the big picture. Folks around here constantly look for the smallest things to start an argument about. Can you criticize some of his decisions when he uses Vizcaino, etc. in games when they're down 6 runs? Sure. But to question using Ramirez, Vizcaino, and Johnson in a game they have a chance to win is beyond ridiculous - he's ultimately paid to WIN GAMES, and will be dismissed when he doesn't.

57Brave
07-17-2017, 10:17 AM
Even considering those Viz games you mentioned Snit's W-L record speaks to a method to the madness.
Perhaps he did a side session with pitching coach and has something to work on in a non leverage situation or perhaps someone came in with the flu
We know so little of what goes on.

I did laugh out loud at my critical self over Lane Adams PH with the bases loaded and Matt A on the bench.
these people get paid an awful lot of money by smart people to make these decisions.

Surprised I am the first I've seen here talking MOY to Snit
ah, maybe not surprised

nsacpi
07-17-2017, 10:20 AM
Even considering those Viz games you mentioned Snit's W-L record speaks to a method to the madness.
Perhaps he did a side session with pitching coach and has something to work on in a non leverage situation or perhaps someone came in with the flu
We know so little of what goes on.

I did laugh out loud at my critical self over Lane Adams PH with the bases loaded and Matt A on the bench.
these people get paid an awful lot of money by smart people to make these decisions.

Surprised I am the first I've seen here talking MOY to Snit
ah, maybe not surprised

The Lane Adams PH against Delgado made sense given that Delgado has reverse splits. But Snit also has sent Lane up against righties with conventional splits.

57Brave
07-17-2017, 10:24 AM
forgot that about Delgado, that was a debate when he was here, "why use Delgado ... "