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goldfly
09-24-2013, 11:41 PM
$6,000.

That’s over and above our payments to the big companies for energy and food and housing and health care and all our tech devices. It’s $6,000 that no family would have to pay if we truly lived in a competitive but well-regulated free-market economy.

The $6,000 figure is an average, which means that low-income families are paying less. But it also means that families (households) making over $72,000 are paying more than $6,000 to the corporations.

1. $870 for Direct Subsidies and Grants to Companies

The Cato Institute estimates that the US federal government spends $100 billion a year on corporate welfare. That’s an average of $870 for each one of America’s 115 million families. Cato notes that this includes “cash payments to farmers and research funds to high-tech companies, as well as indirect subsidies, such as funding for overseas promotion of specific US products and industries…It does not include tax preferences or trade restrictions.”

It does include payments to 374 individuals on the plush Upper East Side of New York City and others who own farms, including Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi and Ted Turner. Wealthy heir Mark Rockefeller received $342,000 to NOT farm, to allow his Idaho land to return to its natural state.

It also includes fossil fuel subsidies, which could be anywhere from $10 billion to $41 billion per year for research and development. Yet this may be substantially underestimated. The IMF reports US fossil fuel subsidies of $502 billion, which would be almost $4,400 per US family by taking into account “the effects of energy consumption on global warming [and] on public health through the adverse effects on local pollution.” According to Grist, even this is an underestimate.

2. $696 for Business Incentives at the State, County and City Levels

The subsidies mentioned above are federal subsidies. A New York Times investigation found that states, counties and cities give up over $80 billion each year to companies, with beneficiaries coming from: ”virtually every corner of the corporate world, encompassing oil and coal conglomerates, technology and entertainment companies, banks and big-box retail chains.”

$80 billion a year is $696 for every US family. But The Times notes that “The cost of the awards is certainly far higher.”

3. $722 for Interest Rate Subsidies for Banks

According to The Huffington Post, the “US government essentially gives the banks 3 cents of every tax dollar.“ They cite research that calculates a nearly one percent benefit to banks when they borrow, through bonds and customer deposits and other liabilities. This amounts to a taxpayer subsidy of $83 billion or about $722 from every American family.

The wealthiest five banks — JPMorgan, Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo & Co. and Goldman Sachs — account for three-quarters of the total subsidy. The Huffington Post article notes that without the taxpayer subsidy, those banks would not make a profit. In other words, “the profits they report are essentially transfers from taxpayers to their shareholders.”

4. $350 for Retirement Fund Bank Fees

This was a tough one to calculate. Demos reports that over a lifetime, bank fees can “cost a median-income two-earner family nearly $155,000 and consume nearly one-third of their investment returns.” Fees are well over one percent a year.

However, the Economic Policy Institute notes that the average middle-quintile retirement account is $34,981. A conservative one percent annual management fee translates to about $350 per family. This, again, is an average; many families have no retirement account. But many families pay much more than one percent in annual fees.

5. $1,268 for Overpriced Medications

According to Dean Baker, “government granted patent monopolies raise the price of prescription drugs by close to $270 billion a year compared to the free market price.” This represents an astonishing annual cost of over $2,000 to an average American family.

OECD figures on pharmaceutical expenditures reveal that Americans spend almost twice the OECD average on drugs, an additional $460 per capita. This translates to $1,268 per household.

6. $870 for Corporate Tax Subsidies

We’ve heard a lot about tax avoidance and tax breaks for the super-rich. With regard to corporations alone, the Tax Foundation has concluded that their “special tax provisions” cost taxpayers over $100 billion per year or $870 per family. Corporate benefits include items such as graduated corporate income, inventory property sales, research and experimentation tax credit, accelerated depreciation and deferred taxes.

Once again, it may be even worse. Citizens for Tax Justice cite a Government Accountability Office report that calculated a loss to the Treasury of $181 billion from corporate tax expenditures. That would be almost $1,600 per family.

7. $1,231 for Revenue Losses from Corporate Tax Havens

US PIRG recently reported that the average 2012 taxpayer paid an extra $1,026 in taxes to make up for the revenue lost from offshore tax havens by corporations and wealthy individuals. With 138 million taxpayers (1.2 per household), that comes to $1,231 per household.

Much More Than an Insult

Overall, American families are paying an annual $6,000 subsidy to corporations that have doubled their profits and cut their taxes in half in 10 years while cutting 2.9 million jobs in the US and adding almost as many jobs overseas.

This is more than an insult. It’s a devastating attack on the livelihoods of tens of millions of American families. And Congress just lets it happen.

http://billmoyers.com/2013/09/24/average-american-family-pays-6k-a-year-in-subsidies-to-big-business/

thethe
09-25-2013, 05:27 AM
People worry about the government but the real issue is big business. The wealthy have control of everything and use that control to dictate how the world works.

yeezus
09-25-2013, 09:04 PM
People worry about the government but the real issue is big business. The wealthy have control of everything and use that control to dictate how the world works.

they're becoming synonymous

thethe
09-25-2013, 09:15 PM
they're becoming synonymous

The government isn't real.

yeezus
09-25-2013, 10:15 PM
The government isn't real.

illuminati

zitothebrave
09-25-2013, 10:37 PM
illuminati

http://jcowandewar.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/hova.jpg

acesfull86
09-26-2013, 05:47 AM
People worry about the government but the real issue is big business. The wealthy have control of everything and use that control to dictate how the world works.

I'll take my chances with big business over big gov't any day.

thethe
09-26-2013, 06:08 AM
I'll take my chances with big business over big gov't any day.

Not saying I want big gov but I just don't get how so many people don't see big business as a huge issue.

Metaphysicist
09-26-2013, 09:41 AM
I'll take my chances with big business over big gov't any day.

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/tumblr_ma2m9tupok1qfsw7to2_500.gif

zitothebrave
09-26-2013, 09:45 AM
I'll take my chances with big business over big gov't any day.

Yeah I think neither are good. But I would probably take the current state of things with the government over giving big businesses more power. That will just lead to some terrible awful things.

acesfull86
09-26-2013, 09:59 AM
Big business at the end of the day still needs customers. I have a choice in the matter. There is no choice when it comes to big government. BTW, how many of those issues in the OP were created by govt, not big business?

57Brave
09-26-2013, 10:04 AM
Of course you have a choice with big government. Every November -- should your candidates and programs lose does not mean you don't have a choice.

acesfull86
09-26-2013, 10:07 AM
Until the new guys get in power and you realize the new boss is the same as the old boss.

That wasn't really the point though...government has coercive powers that business doesn't. Business doesn't create and enforce the law of the land.

Again, what in the OP originated from big business? If there are ridiculous subsidies being given to corporations, that's a government problem not a big business problem.

thethe
09-26-2013, 10:16 AM
Until the new guys get in power and you realize the new boss is the same as the old boss.

That wasn't really the point though...government has coercive powers that business doesn't. Business doesn't create and enforce the law of the land.

Again, what in the OP originated from big business? If there are ridiculous subsidies being given to corporations, that's a government problem not a big business problem.

I disagree that Big Business doens't have power to create and enforce laws. Sure, its not written anywhere but I don't believe that anything happens in Washington without some special interest group pushing it.

Julio3000
09-26-2013, 10:21 AM
Until the new guys get in power and you realize the new boss is the same as the old boss.

That wasn't really the point though...government has coercive powers that business doesn't. Business doesn't create and enforce the law of the land.

Again, what in the OP originated from big business? If there are ridiculous subsidies being given to corporations, that's a government problem not a big business problem.

I'd argue that it's more of a "big business buying the government" problem.

Tapate50
09-26-2013, 10:26 AM
I'd argue that it's more of a "big business buying the government" problem.

Wouldn't that be an issue of weak reps in Gov't?

weso1
09-26-2013, 10:29 AM
This is the gist of the libertarian economic argument. Subsidies and the like aren't necessarily bad individually, but the abuse and overuse of them is inevitable. Thus it's better not to have them at all.

Reminds me of my favorite Mary Poppins quote. "Though we adore men individually, we agree that as a group they're rather stupid."

acesfull86
09-26-2013, 10:49 AM
Thethe & Julio - but didn't 57 say if you don't like your representation, you have a choice of voting in someone new? If they're all able to be bought, that would be a defense of my point.

Julio3000
09-26-2013, 12:12 PM
Thethe & Julio - but didn't 57 say if you don't like your representation, you have a choice of voting in someone new? If they're all able to be bought, that would be a defense of my point.

Without campaign finance reform (and a raft of other reforms) nothing meaningful is likely to change.

So, in a narrow sense, you have a point. I'd still view it as a systemic issue rather than a "government problem," per se. Business uses government as a means to an end, and we have simply a government problem? That sounds suspiciously like an argument that I suspect you'd disagree with: if a criminal robs you at gunpoint, do you have simply a gun problem?

57Brave
09-26-2013, 12:42 PM
Massachusetts
https://www.google.com/search?q=elizabeth+wRREN&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=elizabeth+waRREN&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=10

Vermont
https://www.google.com/search?q=elizabeth+wRREN&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=bernie+sanders&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial

Paul Wellstone
https://www.google.com/search?q=paul+wellstone&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

There have been a few that played outside the corporate box - not many but a few.
Wondering if that one size fits all philosophy of government considers whether John McCain or Mitt Romney would be opening talks with Iran this week. So yeah, on the surface there really isn't too much difference but scratch the surface and there are two completely different worlds. And as much as I hate to admit it, big business still has a place in this society and it too deserves a voice / representation.

acesfull86
09-26-2013, 08:35 PM
So, in a narrow sense, you have a point. I'd still view it as a systemic issue rather than a "government problem," per se. Business uses government as a means to an end, and we have simply a government problem? That sounds suspiciously like an argument that I suspect you'd disagree with: if a criminal robs you at gunpoint, do you have simply a gun problem?

The problem there (IMO) is that I don't view this as "business using government as a means to an end." It's a two way street. The gun is just an inanimate object.

goldfly
09-27-2013, 02:11 AM
I'll take my chances with big business over big gov't any day.


Business doesn't create and enforce the law of the land.



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acesfull86
09-27-2013, 05:51 AM
Yeah, about what I expected from a troll.

I guess I'm supposed to be pissed at big business for the corporate welfare it receives and not the government that is in bed with them making these rules.

thethe
09-27-2013, 06:10 AM
Yeah, about what I expected from a troll.

I guess I'm supposed to be pissed at big business for the corporate welfare it receives and not the government that is in bed with them making these rules.
I'm passed at both but we have to understand that big business is government.

57Brave
09-27-2013, 06:26 AM
It is as long as you keep voting for people that block effective Campaign Finance Reform and vote for candidates that support Citizens United

gilesfan
09-27-2013, 09:31 AM
Where can I go to only pay 6k per year? That would be a steal.

goldfly
09-27-2013, 11:21 AM
Yeah, about what I expected from a troll.

I guess I'm supposed to be pissed at big business for the corporate welfare it receives and not the government that is in bed with them making these rules.

troll??

you can be mad at both like i am

but if you believe what i quoted before, that is some mind blowing **** imo

acesfull86
09-27-2013, 12:00 PM
troll??

you can be mad at both like i am

but if you believe what i quoted before, that is some mind blowing **** imo

So why exactly should I prefer big government to big business? And am I wrong that the Constitution gives Congress the power to pass legislation, not big business?

goldfly
09-27-2013, 12:11 PM
So why exactly should I prefer big government to big business? And am I wrong that the Constitution gives Congress the power to pass legislation, not big business?

it's like you don't live and pay attention to reality

acesfull86
09-27-2013, 01:00 PM
it's like you don't live and pay attention to reality

And this is what I mean by troll

zitothebrave
09-27-2013, 01:07 PM
So why exactly should I prefer big government to big business? And am I wrong that the Constitution gives Congress the power to pass legislation, not big business?

Why would you prefer either?

goldfly
09-27-2013, 01:13 PM
And this is what I mean by troll

it is mind blowing for you to say this: " And am I wrong that the Constitution gives Congress the power to pass legislation, not big business?"

and for me to take it serious

yeah, that is what was written in the 1700's

here in 2013, who actually writes the laws that congress passes?

if you aren't being honest about it, then i really don't know what to tell ya

sturg33
09-27-2013, 01:15 PM
it is mind blowing for you to say this: " And am I wrong that the Constitution gives Congress the power to pass legislation, not big business?"

and for me to take it serious

yeah, that is what was written in the 1700's

here in 2013, who actually writes the laws that congress passes?

if you aren't being honest about it, then i really don't know what to tell ya

Sorry - who did you say passes the laws?

acesfull86
09-27-2013, 01:15 PM
Why would you prefer either?

I wouldn't want either taken to its extreme...was just responding to thethe's comment that we should be more worried about business than govt. I disagree.

goldfly
09-27-2013, 03:09 PM
Sorry - who did you say passes the laws?

"if you're headed to the grave you don't blame the hearse"