7/20 GDT: Atlanta Braves (45-48) vs. Los Angeles Dodgers (66-29)

[WaitingFor2017]

Atlanta Braves Lineup (45-48):
Inciarte CF
Phillips 2B
Freeman 3B
Kemp LF
Adams 1B
Markakis RF
Suzuki C
Camargo SS
Foltynewicz P

Los Angeles Dodgers Lineup (66-29):
Utley 2B
Seager SS
Turner 3B
Bellinger 1B
Taylor LF
Grandal C
Pederson CF
Puig RF
McCarthy P

[nsacpi]

expecting a yuge game from Suzuki

[msstate7]

Puig hitting 8th. We got this

[Enscheff]

Garcia isn't in the lineup! Traded??

[NinersSBChamps]

Doesn't Puig own the Braves?

[jpx7]

Doesn't Puig own the Braves?

Pretty sure Liberty Media still does, sadly.

[Enscheff]

That Freeman kid might end up being pretty good.

[thethe]

Adams crushed that ball

[Freshmaker]

MATTHEW ADAMS

[jsebe10]

Lovely result Neck...you fckn bum.

[Ozzie Swanson]

Markakis needs to go yesterday. Don't care what it takes but his defense/bat is killing us.

[Enscheff]

There's your 2 run lead Folty. Time to take another step toward being the Ace and beat a very good team.

Wish Flowers was catching him.

[Enscheff]

That 2nd pitch was poorly received. I bet Flowers gets that called a strike.

[jsebe10]

That 2nd pitch was poorly received. I bet Flowers gets that called a strike.

What about that fastball at the knees outer half that was ripped off the wall? Poorly received?

[Enscheff]

Kemp running at slug speed in LF doesn't help the cause lol

[Enscheff]

What about that fastball at the knees outer half that was ripped off the wall? Poorly received?

Oh look who showed up to disagree with me about something.

So what's your point? What do you disagree about?

Was that pitch not poorly received?

What exactly is your point?

[Enscheff]

Let me guess, you don't have a point. Or a thought.

Just posted to chirp at me.

Another obsessed fan.

[Ozzie Swanson]

C'mon Folty. Please respond to adversity for once.

[Enscheff]

Is the high school all star here to tell us Ender should have hit the cut off man there?

[Enscheff]

C'mon Folty. Please respond to adversity for once.

Could have been worse

I still think a good LFer catches that double

[Freshmaker]

Good job getting out of it at least, Folty

[Ozzie Swanson]

Could have been worse

I still think a good LFer catches that double

I think you're right a lot but that ball hit halfway up the fence. Kemp is awful but I think that's a double most of the time.

[jsebe10]

Oh look who showed up to disagree with me about something.

So what's your point? What do you disagree about?

Was that pitch not poorly received?

What exactly is your point?

Because your complaining about how a catcher catches the ball...what about the meatballs Folty threw to Seager and Bellinger ?

[Enscheff]

Because your complaining about how a catcher catches the ball...what about the meatballs Folty threw to Seager and Bellinger ?

How are they related?

Was the ball not received poorly?

Are you capable of understanding when points are logically connected?

Or are you trying to prove that Folty is not becoming the Ace of this staff?

I bet you think Kelly Ann Conway makes really good points when she doesn't answer questions with points that actually pertain to the subject lol. Typical dumb redneck unable to think with even a shred of logic haha

[Enscheff]

Are we all enjoying watching Camargo's OPS plummet while Swanson rots on the bench?

[Freshmaker]

not really no

[Ozzie Swanson]

Are we all enjoying watching Camargo's OPS plummet while Swanson rots on the bench?

Snitker (hopefully) or FO (please no) proving to be dumb or short sided once again. This was clearly going to happen.

[jsebe10]

Could have been worse

I still think a good LFer catches that double


How are they related?

Was the ball not received poorly?

Are you capable of understanding when points are logically connected?

Or are you trying to prove that Folty is not becoming the Ace of this staff?

No. I'm just simply implying how stupid it is to complain about how Suzuki catches the 2nd pitch of the game....what's next? Adams' foot placement on the bag? There were more problems that inning other than Kurt catching the ball.

[thethe]

Wow at that play.

[jsebe10]

Wow at that play.

Very nice play!

Great response inning from Folty!

[Freshmaker]

Nice, easy inning there. I think Folty threw 9 pitches to get thru it

[thethe]

We are so lucky to have freeman.

[bravesfanMatt]

Nice, easy inning there. I think Folty threw 9 pitches to get thru it

Few more like that and he might get through 7.

[Garmel]

****ing Kemp.

[Freshmaker]

Fredd-ie Free-man clap clap clapclapclap

[bravesfanMatt]

And my cable went out. Excellent.

[Enscheff]

Freeman is a'ight.

[bravesfanMatt]

Back on. Let me guess. Kemp tried to pull an outside pitch for a week grounder to short.

[Enscheff]

No. I'm just simply implying how stupid it is to complain about how Suzuki catches the 2nd pitch of the game....what's next? Adams' foot placement on the bag? There were more problems that inning other than Kurt catching the ball.

Define irony based on pure stupidity:

Complaining about someone complaining.

[thethe]

Back on. Let me guess. Kemp tried to pull an outside pitch for a week grounder to short.

Hit a sharp grounder to the right side of second base into the shift.

[jsebe10]

Turner would have an Ed Sheeran walk up tune.

[bravesfanMatt]

Kurt is not the same in getting strikes like flowers.

[bravesfanMatt]

I really like folty. It almost looks like he is thinking out there.

[jsebe10]

I really like folty. It almost looks like he is thinking out there.

He's gotta good hook working tonight

[thethe]

The catching combo is fantastic.

[Southcack77]

I'm slowly forgiving Suzuki for the 2004 College World Series.

[thethe]

Nice solid contact for Camargo to LF.

[Enscheff]

I really like folty. It almost looks like he is thinking out there.

He's making strides. Maybe not as quickly as we hope sometimes, but he's getting closer and closer to being the Ace.

[thethe]

Love how we are starting this series.

[Southcack77]

The catching combo is fantastic.

Suzuki nearing the 1 fWAR mark as a backup. Not bad. Compares favorably to players making a lot more money. Nice move by the FO. Another one who might get a reliever or something in trade?

[TheBravos]

Dodgers suck

[Garmel]

Thank you to whomever the moderator is doing his job.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Good start to the series

[bravesfanMatt]

He's making strides. Maybe not as quickly as we hope sometimes, but he's getting closer and closer to being the Ace.

That is what I am saying. not only are his results improving.. you can just see his composure getting better too.

I like when he gets mad at himself for missing a pitch.. that tells me he expects perfection..

[bravesfanMatt]

Thank you to whomever the moderator is doing his job.


Damnit.. did I miss something..

[msstate7]

I'm slowly forgiving Suzuki for the 2004 College World Series.

Beating your team or are you a csfu fan?

[thethe]

That is what I am saying. not only are his results improving.. you can just see his composure getting better too.

I like when he gets mad at himself for missing a pitch.. that tells me he expects perfection..

He still gets too amped up at the start of games. He will learn to control that as well.

[jpx7]

This Dodgers organist is great; sort of wish I could tune out the rest of the broadcast audio.

[thethe]

Another quick inning for Folty. Let's see 8 out of him tonight. 110+ pitches.

[jpx7]

Are we all enjoying watching Camargo's OPS plummet while Swanson rots on the bench?

I'd rather be proven wrong, but I'd even more rather the team from Cobb County simply avoid stupid decisions.

[Enscheff]

Kemp back to the heavy bat. He must be feeling spry.

[jpx7]

Chip, my dude: it's RsBI or, preferably, RBI; but it's definitely not RBIs.

[jpx7]

I don't like seeing Foltynewicz give up the hit there, but I do love to see Joe proved immediately wrong—then having to double-down on his incompetence by saying giving up a double is preferable to giving up a walk.

These announcers are just not good.

[thethe]

I don't like seeing Foltynewicz give up the hit there, but I do love to see Joe proved immediately wrong—then having to double-down on his incompetence by saying giving up a double is preferable to giving up a walk.

These announcers are just not good.

Aren't you glad he went after him instead of being afraid to challenge him?

[Ozzie Swanson]

Chip is magically much worse when he's with Joe. Much better with Byrd.

[trob15]

Turner is actually balding pretty badly on the top of his head. His helmet/ hat is covering it pretty well though.

[Enscheff]

Suzuki leveled off on a letter high 98 MPH fastball. He got out, but that was impressive.

[jpx7]

Aren't you glad he went after him instead of being afraid to challenge him?

I don't think, like Joe does, that "challenging" Utley is as simple as "throwing him another fastball and seeing if he can hit it". A well-placed breaking-ball—like he used to strikeout Seager in the next sequence—could have just as equally presented a "challenge".

[Garmel]

Good play, Folty.

[jpx7]

Phillips out. Trade?

---

Really nice play by Foltynewicz.

[thethe]

Is Swanson playing 2B?

[thethe]

Damn...can't make mistakes like that.

[Garmel]

****!

[msstate7]

Is Swanson playing 2B?

SS

Camargo to 2b

[bravesfanMatt]

bad time for a hanger..

[bravesfanMatt]

lol..

Chip: long run for Kemp


Reality: 15 steps in..

[msstate7]

Phillips hamstring

[thethe]

Geez Camargo

[Ozzie Swanson]

Damn, Camargo.

[jpx7]

Geez Camargo

Who was it that said Camargo would be wasted at 2B if the Braves' simply traded Phillips and played Swanson/Camargo SS/2B the rest of the year?

[CyYoung31]

This Dodgers organist is great; sort of wish I could tune out the rest of the broadcast audio.

He's definitely terrible if he's playing while the Dodgers are losing.

[bravesfanMatt]

Now Chip just told us the defensive switch worked... #SnitIsAGenuis!!

[jsebe10]

Grandal pimps a 374 ft fly ball HR to RF

[USMA76]

Hard not to enjoy watching Camargo show off his arm (combined with great range going away from first base) on that play.

[bravesfanMatt]

Who was it that said Camargo would be wasted at 2B if the Braves' simply traded Phillips and played Swanson/Camargo SS/2B the rest of the year?

Yeah that dud is a stupid idiot...

ok, it was me..

[Enscheff]

So I took 30 seconds to switch the game from the living room to my office and missed a sweet play?

[jpx7]

He's definitely terrible if he's playing while the Dodgers are losing.

Good music lifts the soul, bro.

[USMA76]

Yeah that dud is a stupid idiot...

ok, it was me..

How refreshing--somebody actually owning their mistake. Props.

[Enscheff]

Morrow isn't the best guy for Swanson to break out against haha

[jpx7]

It's impressive how quickly Joe has massively turned on Swanson, after pimping him way too hard early on. Just a shallow, fickle man.

[Ozzie Swanson]

It's impressive how quickly Joe has massively turned on Swanson, after pimping him way too hard early on. Just a shallow, fickle man.

Swanson has stopped hitting the ball the other way so he is utter **** in Joe's eyes.

[bravesfanMatt]

big inning for Folty..

[bravesfanMatt]

Juses.. Game7... Let him finish the freaking inning. I understand lefties.. But sometimes you have to trust your best starter to be able to get two more outs.

[jpx7]

big inning for Folty..

Snitker says "psyche" to that.

[Enscheff]

It's impressive how quickly Joe has massively turned on Swanson, after pimping him way too hard early on. Just a shallow, fickle man.

He is the perfect man for his audience.

[jpx7]

Juses.. Game7... Let him finish the freaking inning. I understand lefties.. But sometimes you have to trust your best starter to be able to get two more outs.

I've generally eschewed the "Game7" label, but it really is becoming a problem that he's managing every game like it's September 15th and the Braves are playing for their playoff lives. This is a learning year, and we aren't learning if Foltynewicz isn't given a chance to finish tough innings where he's leading, or Swanson is only playing thrice a week, or Old Man Johnson has to pitch every save-sitch.

[CyYoung31]

It's impressive how quickly Joe has massively turned on Swanson, after pimping him way too hard early on. Just a shallow, fickle man.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing how quickly he has went the other way on him. It seems like he's not even pulling for him to get out of his slump.

[jpx7]

He is the perfect man for his audience.

:Bowman:

[bravesfanMatt]

would love an Adam bomb here..

[Enscheff]

would love an Adam bomb here..

Will you settle for a broken bat Texas leaguer?

[jpx7]

Yeah, it's pretty amazing how quickly he has went the other way on him. It seems like he's not even pulling for him to get out of his slump.

He's just a turd out there.

[steveAKAslick]

Nice send Washington....

[CrimeDog247]

This is going to be interesting...blocking plate?

[Garmel]

Bad idea to send Adams there.

[jpx7]

Questionable decision to send Adams, but even more questionable announcing: "leaped, or leapt, or jumped—whatever you want to say!", followed with Joe's, "I'm playing devil's advocate—but I don't actually know the rules."

[steveAKAslick]

This is going to be interesting...blocking plate?

He definetely was albeit unintentionally...hell he almost came down and stomped on his leg

[CrimeDog247]

Terrific throw Chip? He had to jump to catch it.

[CyYoung31]

He's just a turd out there.

I wish that were a common saying by Joe. I'd respect him a lot more.

[CrimeDog247]

He definetely was albeit unintentionally...hell he almost came down and stomped on his leg

Adams should've just trucked him. That rule needs to be done away with anyway.

[bravesfanMatt]

Bad idea to send Adams there.

Yeah up 3, I would have liked having the bases loaded. Maybe force another switch. But Washington has been aggressive all year.. so..

[bravesfanMatt]

Was Kemp going to get a hot dog before he caught that. Looked like he was running to the stands.

[jpx7]

No judgment either way, but I have to chuckle at seeing "Fly Emirates" and "All-Natural Bacon" advertised side-by-side (behind home plate).

[jpx7]

The Braves have eleven hits, and—ironically—are trying to break the Dodgers' eleven-game win-streak.

Shhhh:I don't think Chip knows what "irony" is/means.

[CyYoung31]

No judgment either way, but I have to chuckle at seeing "Fly Emirates" and "All-Natural Bacon" advertised side-by-side (behind home plate).

lol

[CyYoung31]

Has anyone here actually had a Dodger Dog? Are they legit?

[jpx7]

Has anyone here actually had a Dodger Dog? Are they legit?

It's like a Chicago Dog, but there is ketchup, the mustard is cocaine, the sport peppers are jalepeños, and the relish is crack-rocks.

So yea: they legit.

[CyYoung31]

It's like a Chicago Dog, but there is ketchup, the mustard is cocaine, the sport peppers are jalepeños, and the relish is crack-rocks.

So yea: they legit.

Damn. No wonder Chip has been pimping them all night.

[CyYoung31]

Lol. Snit actually makes a defensive sub for Kemp, and Santana makes one of the worse plays out of the corner I've ever seen.

[CyYoung31]

And that's why you sub for Kemp late in games.

[jpx7]

Lol. Snit actually makes a defensive sub for Kemp, and Santana makes one of the worse plays out of the corner I've ever seen.

Send a note to Chip: that's irony.

[goldfly]

Johnson is so bad

[CrimsonCowboy]

http://i.imgur.com/P6x0U.gif

[goldfly]

Chip "game saving catch"


what an idiot


glad we got the win. let's do it again tomorrow

[CrimeDog247]

Johnson always seems to have drama.

[CrimsonCowboy]

Heck of a play by Camargo to end it

[mossy]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/JamieSanders/Mobile%20Uploads/CCAE79C9-CE19-49F4-9192-CB5E2A5A4AD0_zpstokhdgij.png (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/JamieSanders/media/Mobile%20Uploads/CCAE79C9-CE19-49F4-9192-CB5E2A5A4AD0_zpstokhdgij.png.html)

[jpx7]

Heck of a play by Camargo to end it

He's a solid major-league piece, who I like to watch play (especially in the field).

Swanson still needs to be starting regularly at SS in 2017.

I hope the FO can figure it out.

[CyYoung31]

Not happy about having to see Wood pitch against us tomorrow.

[rico43]

In postgame TV interview heard Suzuki say he was leaving due to a family death in Hawaii. There is no other catcher on 40; wonder if tHere's a special category for an emergency callup.

[The Chosen One]

In postgame TV interview heard Suzuki say he was leaving due to a family death in Hawaii. There is no other catcher on 40; wonder if tHere's a special category for an emergency callup.

I'm sure Fred or Camargo can do it.

[cajunrevenge]

Pretty sure the Braves would forfeit before playing without a backup catcher. God forbid we go even 1 inning without a backup catcher warming the bench.

[UNCBlue012]

It's really hard to not be excited and encouraged by Folty. Take away one or two horrible starts and Folty's number are really really good

[Tapate50]

Not happy about having to see Wood.

First time you have said that I bet.

[striker42]

In postgame TV interview heard Suzuki say he was leaving due to a family death in Hawaii. There is no other catcher on 40; wonder if tHere's a special category for an emergency callup.

There's a bereavement list he can be put on giving us the ability to call up a replacement until he gets back.

[WaitingFor2017]

In postgame TV interview heard Suzuki say he was leaving due to a family death in Hawaii. There is no other catcher on 40; wonder if tHere's a special category for an emergency callup.

Recker is with the team the next 3 days.

[thethe]

Is there any doubt why Camargo plays basically every day now?

[chipchildress]

Is there any doubt why Camargo plays basically every day now?

what a play!
i'm all for letting johan show what he can do the rest of the year.

[chipchildress]

Chip "game saving catch"


what an idiot


glad we got the win. let's do it again tomorrow

Do you forget who the closer is? That most likely was a game saving catch...

[thethe]

what a play!
i'm all for letting johan show what he can do the rest of the year.

If the cubs can do it with schwarber then let's do it with swAnson. He needs to play everyday in gwinnet.

[50PoundHead]

what a play!
i'm all for letting johan show what he can do the rest of the year.

Just watched the play on video and it's a great catch, but it looks like he misjudged it a bit and had to come back to the ball. At any rate, there are a few of us who were pimping Camargo when he was coming up through the system and it's great to see him doing well. I don't know what type of player he'll end up being, but I think he could be a regular player in the big leagues. I don't think he'll ever be a difference-maker, but with the right surroundings, he could be a productive guy. Big thing for him is that he is showing he can play SS at the major league level. That is a huge plus.

[chipchildress]

Just watched the play on video and it's a great catch, but it looks like he misjudged it a bit and had to come back to the ball. At any rate, there are a few of us who were pimping Camargo when he was coming up through the system and it's great to see him doing well. I don't know what type of player he'll end up being, but I think he could be a regular player in the big leagues. I don't think he'll ever be a difference-maker, but with the right surroundings, he could be a productive guy. Big thing for him is that he is showing he can play SS at the major league level. That is a huge plus.


misjudged?
that's the hardest defensive play in baseball. he actually did what's super hard to do there...go out and get past the ball. usually you'll get out there and reach out, making the chances of catching it even more difficult.

[Freshmaker]

Very glad Jimmy Johns held on last. I'm mostly excited because my favorite team won, but also excited because I had a bit to drink last night and bet $100 on the Braves at +195 :elefant:

[bravesfanMatt]

Very glad Jimmy Johns held on last. I'm mostly excited because my favorite team won, but also excited because I had a bit to drink last night and bet $100 on the Braves at +195 :elefant:

Good bet. That was our best chance. Not saying we can't win others. But I liked our pitching match up last night the most.

[bravesfanMatt]

I think the Braves showed the rest of the league how to beat the Dodgers. good pitching, better defense, and timely hitting. --channeling my inner chip..

[thethe]

I think the Braves showed the rest of the league how to beat the Dodgers. good pitching, better defense, and timely hitting. --channeling my inner chip..

It's called grit

[50PoundHead]

misjudged?
that's the hardest defensive play in baseball. he actually did what's super hard to do there...go out and get past the ball. usually you'll get out there and reach out, making the chances of catching it even more difficult.

I was never as good as Camargo (obviously), but he seemed to stay directly under the ball instead of angling to it. It is a very tough play because it may have had topspin on it which caused it to back up a bit.

[nsacpi]

It's called grit

clutchness too...don't forget clutchness

[Southcack77]

Beating your team or are you a csfu fan?

beating. Wore us out in my recollection.

[thethe]

clutchness too...don't forget clutchness

Clutchness is a byproduct of grit. Need to ensure you have grit covered first. We are gritty

[nsacpi]

Clutchness is a byproduct of grit. Need to ensure you have grit covered first. We are gritty

clutchness and grit are completely different things...and veteran leadership is something different too

[Freshmaker]

Good bet. That was our best chance. Not saying we can't win others. But I liked our pitching match up last night the most.

Agreed. I was telling a buddy of mine who's a Dodger fan that we'd probably win last night and then lose the next 3. It was essentially our #1 vs their #4. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not terribly confident against Wood or Kershaw. Maybe we get lucky with Hill

[bravesfanMatt]

clutchness and grit are completely different things...and veteran leadership is something different too

what about veteran presents. everyone loves those..

[nsacpi]

what about veteran presents. everyone loves those..

i don't know what that is...can you explain

[bravesfanMatt]

i don't know what that is...can you explain

When a guy who has been around comes on a team and brings presents that rookies just can't.

[CyYoung31]

First time you have said that I bet.

Well, there were some nights when your mom just wasn't doing it for me.

[nsacpi]

When a guy who has been around comes on a team and brings presents that rookies just can't.

that's right...like AJ and Laird used to...those two were special

[bravesfanMatt]

that's right...like AJ and Laird used to...those two were special

Yes AJ's presents were ultra and Laird was donuts. You just can't buy veteran presents like that.

[Julio3000]

Nice GDT. Sad I had to bail.

[CyYoung31]

Nice GDT. Sad I had to bail.

Those West Coast GDTs.

[thethe]

clutchness and grit are completely different things...and veteran leadership is something different too

Can you be clutch without the grit quality? What analysis has been done on this topic?

[nsacpi]

Can you be clutch without the grit quality? What analysis has been done on this topic?

they are positively correlated...but no causation in either direction has been established

there are players who are clutch but not gritty...for some strange reason they are not popular with teammates or coaches

and there are the gritty but not clutch...who are popular with casual fans and uninformed announcers...but less popular with sophisticated sabermetric types

[Enscheff]

Camargo's BABIP has only dropped ~15 points to .398, and his OPS has already gone down by 50+ points to .803.

The normalization to an OPS in the .600s is underway.

[jpx7]

Very glad Jimmy Johns held on last. I'm mostly excited because my favorite team won, but also excited because I had a bit to drink last night and bet $100 on the Braves at +195 :elefant:

[channeling my inner Enscheff] Cool—I bet you're going to spend that on a carton of Winstons, a few two-liters of Code Red, and a Richard Petty paint-job for your cinder-blocked Dodge Challenger haha. [/]

[jpx7]

Those West Coast GDTs.

They're great; I like being able to actually watch the games.

[jpx7]

If the cubs can do it with schwarber then let's do it with swAnson. He needs to play everyday somewhere.

Fixed. It could be Cobb County, it could be Gwinnett—but he needs regular PA and regular reps at SS for the Braves to assess what they have.

[Julio3000]

Those West Coast GDTs.

Back to the old school.

[Julio3000]

Fixed. It could be Cobb County, it could be Gwinnett—but he needs regular PA and regular reps at SS for the Braves to assess what they have.

Yeah. He needs to be playing, in Cobb or Gwinnett. Hart failure.

[bravesfanMatt]

Back to the old school.

I remember the 91 season. I worked at a bank processing center where we actually took paper checks and ran them through a sorter, which imaged and sorted them to different clearing houses. then we would have to transit them to an airport to go out.. But anyway, I loved the Left coast games because they would be playing while I was working.

Luckily I have moved up to robot teller with a direct link to skynet and as soon as my terminator kills its target, I am going to unleash all hell on your collective asses.

[bravesguy]

I really think Folty needs more love...He is shaping into a true TOR.

In 18 starts he has a 3.77 ERA but if you take out the 2 crap starts he has (I know you can't take them out but that is why he is not there yet) he has 16 Starts & 2.67 ERA.

If we had a SP that was sitting at 8-4 2.67ERA in July, we would all be creaming over him....he is becoming (if not already become) that pitcher.

[Enscheff]

I really think Folty needs more love...He is shaping into a true TOR.

In 18 starts he has a 3.77 ERA but if you take out the 2 crap starts he has (I know you can't take them out but that is why he is not there yet) he has 16 Starts & 2.67 ERA.

If we had a SP that was sitting at 8-4 2.67ERA in July, we would all be creaming over him....he is becoming (if not already become) that pitcher.

I have been pimping Folty since this offseason. Due to that fact alone you won't see many folks on these boards show excitement over him haha.

[bravesguy]

He reminds me so much of Smoltz back in the beginning. Smotlz had great stuff, but he was emotional and couldn't always control it. Once he figured it out, he had great year after great year.

You will never see Folty with a 1.40 ERA like a Kershaw or anything, but you can win any game he starts and on the big stage (once ATL gets back there), he is the one I would want on the mound.

[mfree80]

I have been pimping Folty since this offseason. Due to that fact alone you won't see many folks on these boards show excitement over him haha.

Do you really think people base their opinions on just disagreeing with you?

:facepalm:

[Enscheff]

Do you really think people base their opinions on just disagreeing with you?

:facepalm:

I think several strings of completely nonsensical arguments against points I make are proof positive they do.

Hell, one time Gov resorted to arguing with me over the definition of a word in a desperate attempt to be "right" about something lol.

Double hell, just last night someone argued with me because I said Suzuki received a ball poorly and likely cost Folty a called strike. He then went off on a tangential tirade about Folty giving up a hard hit ball...as if that somehow proved me wrong about Suzuki's framing of a single pitch haha.

Just yesterday, you and Southcrack disagreed with me over Medlen's service time. Then he posted a table that proved he was wrong (which he didn't even realize) and you guys STILL argued against me over it. Post after post you guys argued over a fact you didn't understand.

I could post "the sky is a nice shade of blue today", and someone here would try to disagree using a completely unrelated point as proof...."you idiot, that Camaro over there is even more blue!!".

[chop2chip]

I really think Folty needs more love...He is shaping into a true TOR.

In 18 starts he has a 3.77 ERA but if you take out the 2 crap starts he has (I know you can't take them out but that is why he is not there yet) he has 16 Starts & 2.67 ERA.

If we had a SP that was sitting at 8-4 2.67ERA in July, we would all be creaming over him....he is becoming (if not already become) that pitcher.
He isn't a TOR guy by any means. The homeruns look like they will always be an issue.

However, he is an average pitcher and for a team that has had just two average pitchers over the last few years (Teheran and Shelby) that shines bright. If you squint hard enough you can see the outline of a capable 2018 major league rotation with Teheran, Dickey, Newk and Folty.

What I would like to see this offseason is for us to sign another league average pitcher like we did with Colon and Dickey (or trade for one like we did with Jaime). if there is an Archer type available, then I would consider that too but I wouldn't prioritize it.

[mfree80]

I think several strings of completely nonsensical arguments against points I make are proof positive they do.

Hell, one time Gov resorted to arguing with me over the definition of a word in a desperate attempt to be "right" about something lol.

Double hell, just last night someone argued with me because I said Suzuki received a ball poorly and likely cost Folty a called strike. He then went off on a tangential tirade about Folty giving up a hard hit ball...as if that somehow proved me wrong about Suzuki's framing of a single pitch haha.

Just yesterday, you and Southcrack disagreed with me over Medlen's service time. Then he posted a table that proved he was wrong (which he didn't even realize) and you guys STILL argued against me over it. Post after post you guys argued over a fact you didn't understand.

I could post "the sky is a nice shade of blue today", and someone here would try to disagree using a completely unrelated point as proof...."you idiot, that Camaro over there is even more blue!!".

sounds like anecdotal evidence to me!:elefant:

[jpx7]

He isn't a TOR guy by any means. The homeruns look like they will always be an issue.

He isn't now, for sure—he's just average in 2017—but I think you're underselling his ceiling; I think the pieces are there to elevate to a consistently good-to-great #2, even if he's never likely to ascend to true ace status. That #2 tier may be the least-likely quintile, but I still think the potential is there and non-trivial.

[Pugfan]

He isn't a TOR guy by any means. The homeruns look like they will always be an issue.

However, he is an average pitcher and for a team that has had just two average pitchers over the last few years (Teheran and Shelby) that shines bright. If you squint hard enough you can see the outline of a capable 2018 major league rotation with Teheran, Dickey, Newk and Folty.

What I would like to see this offseason is for us to sign another league average pitcher like we did with Colon and Dickey (or trade for one like we did with Jaime). if there is an Archer type available, then I would consider that too but I wouldn't prioritize it.

Average durable pitchers are very valuable. He's a beast against righties but needs to improve a lot against lefties to be TOR starter. His cheap contract will allows us to have money to spend on a number 2 starter. He has the size to be a durable pitcher.

[Orphan Black]

Has Folty started to throw a split or forkball? some of those hard downers looked like a split...just not sure if they were hard curveballs.

[nsacpi]

Has Folty started to throw a split or forkball? some of those hard downers looked like a split...just not sure if they were hard curveballs.

The one he struck Seager out with was a great pitch, whatever it was.

[Pugfan]

The one he struck Seager out with was a great pitch, whatever it was.

I'd to see a lot more of that against lefties. His OPS against is about 250 points higher against lefties. His ground ball to fly ball ratio is actually great against righties. Almost twice as many fly balls per out against lefties. So he does have a solid chance to really improve his hr/9 if he can throw splitters against them.

[Garmel]

The one he struck Seager out with was a great pitch, whatever it was.

I believe it was a changeup.

[chop2chip]

He isn't now, for sure—he's just average in 2017—but I think you're underselling his ceiling; I think the pieces are there to elevate to a consistently good-to-great #2, even if he's never likely to ascend to true ace status. That #2 tier may be the least-likely quintile, but I still think the potential is there and non-trivial.

I feel like this opinion has persisted thanks to a fastball that's never seemed to miss enough bats.

You could be right, and I don't disagree with your points.

[Super]

Do you really think people base their opinions on just disagreeing with you?

:facepalm:

projection

[jpx7]

The one he struck Seager out with was a great pitch, whatever it was.

His breaking/off-speed stuff, in general, has really impressed me the last couple starts I've seen.

[nsacpi]

His breaking/off-speed stuff, in general, has really impressed me the last couple starts I've seen.

For me its been the life on his fastball. He came up with a reputation for not having much movement on the fastball. I don't think that's true anymore. He throws a fair number of pitchers over the middle of the plate that the hitters are not able to do much with.

[thethe]

For me its been the life on his fastball. He came up with a reputation for not having much movement on the fastball. I don't think that's true anymore. He throws a fair number of pitchers over the middle of the plate that the hitters are not able to do much with.

I've noticed some 2 seamed against lefties starting the ball at their hands and getting the inside strike call. Very impressive.

[jpx7]

For me its been the life on his fastball. He came up with a reputation for not having much movement on the fastball. I don't think that's true anymore. He throws a fair number of pitchers over the middle of the plate that the hitters are not able to do much with.

The fact that we've been impressed by two very different aspects of his repertoire speaks, I think, to his very positive development this season.

[nsacpi]

The fact that we've been impressed by two very different aspects of his repertoire speaks, I think, to his very positive development this season.

Could also mean he's about to get blown up in his next start.

[bravesfanMatt]

Could also mean he's about to get blown up in his next start.

We are going to spank Wood tonight... He is way to soft to penetrate this lineup.. easily see wood finishing premature tonight..

[nsacpi]

We are going to spank Wood tonight... He is way to soft to penetrate this lineup.. easily see wood finishing premature tonight..

oh no doubt...wood is gonna get splintered to smithereens

[jpx7]

Wood's definitely been edging toward ace status, but if he loses control he could blow up at any time.

[nsacpi]

Wood's definitely been edging toward ace status

being a little premature there

[thethe]

This has been a nice circle jerk